Supreme Court opens up Gitmo lawsuit floodgates; Scalia: “The Nation will live to regret what the Court has done today. I dissent.”
What’s that sound? The thunder of left-wing lawyers and Gitmo detainees jumping up and down for joy at the Supreme Court’s ruling this morning. Brace yourselves. Dissenting Justice Antonin Scalia warns that the ruling “will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed” and concludes “The Nation will live to regret what the Court has done today. I dissent.”
Chief Justice John Roberts says the rule of law and the American people have lost out–and with this ruling, we “lose a bit more control over the conduct of this Nation’s foreign policy to unelected, politically unaccountable judges.”
The bottom line via SCOTUS blog:
In a stunning blow to the Bush Administration in its war-on-terrorism policies, the Supreme Court ruled Thursday that foreign nationals held at Guantanamo Bay have a right to pursue habeas challenges to their detention. The Court, dividing 5-4, ruled that Congress had not validly taken away habeas rights. If Congress wishes to suspend habeas, it must do so only as the Constitution allows — when the country faces rebellion or invasion.
The Court stressed that it was not ruling that the detainees are entitled to be released — that is, entitled to have writs issued to end their confinement. That issue, it said, is left to the District Court judges who will be hearing the challenges. The Court also said that “we do not address whether the President has authority to detain” individuals during the war on terrorism, and hold them at the U.S. Naval base in Cuba; that, too, it said, is to be considered first by the District judges.
The Court also declared that detainees do not have to go through the special civilian court review process that Congress created in 2005, since that is not an adequate substitute for habeas rights. The Court refused to interpret the Detainee Treatment Act — as the Bush Administration had suggested — to include enough legal protection to make it an adequate replacement for habeas. Congress, it concluded, unconstitutionally suspended the writ in enacting that Act.
I’m reminded of what one DHS source pointed out to me when the high court ruled in favor of habeas corpus rights four years ago: “Hmm, now that the Gitmo detainees are entitled to habeas challenges and hearings by American courts and American judges, I wonder how long before they and their lawyers claim that they are entitled to asylum hearings as well?”
Won’t be long now!
Howard Bashman has links to the ruling and oral argument transcript. Justice Scalia’s dissent says it all:
Both the Chief Justice and Justice Antonin Scalia issued dissenting opinions, and all four dissenters joined in both dissents. In his dissent, Justice Scalia writes, “The game of bait-and-switch that today’s opinion plays upon the Nation’s Commander in Chief will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed.” Justice Scalia’s 25-page dissenting opinion concludes, “The Nation will live to regret what the Court has done today. I dissent.”
Jonathan Adler: “As I (super-quickly) skim Justice Kennedy’s opinion for the Court, it appears to hold that Guantanamo detainees have habeas rights, that these rights can only be denied through a valid suspension of habeas rights (under the Suspension Clause of the Constitution), that the procedures created by the Detainee Treatment Act were not an adequate substitute for habeas, and therefore Section 7 of the Military Commission Act is an unconstitutional suspension of the detainees’ habeas rights. I’m sure I (and others) will have more to say about this case in subsequent posts.”
While I am still reviewing the 5-4 decision written by Anthony Kennedy, apparently giving GITMO detainees access to our civilian courts, at the outset I am left to wonder whether all POWs will now have access to our civilian courts? After all, you would think lawful enemy combatants have a better claim in this regard than unlawful enemy combatants. And if POWs have access to our civilian courts, how do our courts plan to handle the thousands, if not tens of thousands of cases, that will be brought to them in future conflicts?
It has been the objective of the left-wing bar to fight aspects of this war in our courtrooms, where it knew it would have a decent chance at victory. So complete is the Court’s disregard for the Constitution and even its own precedent now that anything is possible. And what was once considered inconceivable is now compelled by the Constitution, or so five justices have ruled. I fear for my country. I really do. And AP, among others, reports this story as a defeat for “the Bush administration.” Really? I see it as a defeat for the nation.
UPDATE: The 5-4 GITMO decision brings to the front, yet again, John McCain’s position on judges versus his own policies. McCain undoubtedly supports the 5-4 decision, yet the justices who voted against it, and argued strenuously against it, are of the kind McCain claims to want on the bench. We have seen the same issue arise respecting campaign finance. This is not to say that McCain won’t nominate originalists to the bench. But if he does, he will be nominating to the Court individuals who are better adherents to the Constitution than he is.
I’m skimming through the ruling, too. Here’s the key passage of the majority’s ruling, pp. 41-42:
We hold that Art. I, §9, cl. 2, of the Constitution has full effect at Guantanamo Bay. If the privilege of habeas corpus is to be denied to the detainees now before us,
Congress must act in accordance with the requirements of the Suspension Clause. Cf. Hamdi, 542 U. S., at 564 (SCALIA, J., dissenting) (“[I]ndefinite imprisonment on reasonable suspicion is not an available option of treatment for those accused of aiding the enemy, absent a suspension of the writ”). This Court may not impose a de facto suspension by abstaining from these controversies.See Hamdan, 548 U. S., at 585, n. 16 (“[A]bstention is not appropriate in cases . . . in which the legal challenge ‘turn[s] on the status of the persons as to whom the military
asserted its power’ ” (quoting Schlesinger v. Councilman, 420 U. S. 738, 759 (1975))). The MCA does not purport to be a formal suspension of the writ; and the Government, in its submissions to us, has not argued that it is. Petitioners, therefore, are entitled to the privilege of habeas corpus to challenge the legality of their detention.
Here’s the conclusion of Chief Justice John Robert’s dissent, pp. 27-28.
So who has won? Not the detainees. The Court’s analysis leaves them with only the prospect of further litigation to determine the content of their new habeas right, followed by further litigation to resolve their particular cases,followed by further litigation before the D. C. Circuit— where they could have started had they invoked the DTA
procedure. Not Congress, whose attempt to “determine— through democratic means—how best” to balance the security of the American people with the detainees’ liberty
interests, see Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U. S. 557, 636 (2006) (BREYER, J., concurring), has been unceremoniously brushed aside. Not the Great Writ, whose majesty is
hardly enhanced by its extension to a jurisdictionally quirky outpost, with no tangible benefit to anyone. Not the rule of law, unless by that is meant the rule of lawyers,
who will now arguably have a greater role than military and intelligence officials in shaping policy for alien enemy combatants. And certainly not the American people, who today lose a bit more control over the conduct of this Nation’s foreign policy to unelected, politically unaccountable judges.I respectfully dissent.
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I’m sitting here crying. And I am also reading everyone’s words and I’m thankful and encouraged that there are so many of you out there, fellow citizens, who get it, who KNOW what it means to be an American and what this country is all about. We are the last hope of this great Nation, and it would be a lonely place without you all.
#275 …
I lost relatives in the Murrah building … did you? …
If they would have given me 5 minutes with that POS and his partners I would have saved this country millions of dollars to get the same results for them …
Rusty: Being at a place doesn’t mean a thing. I was in both the Pentagon and World Trade Centers on numerous occasions to save the sorry behind of people like you. And if you were mugged, you should have learned a lesson about how difficult it is to get justice in the system you have imposed on all of us.
My key point still stands. No government will stand indefinitely that promotes a national suicide pact such as the one just imposed by the Supreme Court. It will either fall from within or collapse under external pressure. At this point, both are in play thanks to you and your liberal cohorts.
#206 khan said:
This issue of granting alien enemy combatants US Constitutional rights, hampering the ability of US Military and Intelligence Agencies to extract intel from foreign terrorists, fighting the ability of US Intelligence Agencies to cull intel from foreign terrorists who utilize US networks, labeling a US President who consulted both the UN and the US Congress as a “war criminal,” endless articles of impeachment, the daily targeting of US Military recruitment centers, the endless gutter-sniping against our Military by Democrats in Congress, the spurious charges against their battlefield decisions, the overstatements to the outright lies concerning their mental health, preparedness and professionalism, (feel free to add on…)
Khan, as much as I despise the Islamo-fascists who want me dead, I concede that they are a hell of a lot smarter than you. The American Left is their tool. The American Left are what my Colombian friends call “useful idiotas.” The American Left are what General Patton referred to as “a French division standing behind him.” The American Left are what Cicero referred to as “the enemy within.” In fighting alleged injustices and alleged violations of civil rights, the American Left has fought steadfastly to give every upper edge imaginable to the enemy. I concede the enemy more brains than you because, they strategically positioned themselves upon your predictable motives and actions YEARS AGO. They are banking on using your sword to cut off our head, and yet you still hand it to them.
After witnessing pieces of my fellow New Yorkers rain down on me from 90 stories above just seven years ago, I admit that I may have a sharper perspective on this issue than you do. I used to piss off a lot of libs in conversation when I stated that their long list of contributions to our National Security was a major cause for a lot of my friends getting murdered that day.
I thought that these few years had tempered my thoughts. But now, with today’s vindication of the American Left’s methodical efforts to move the fate of alien enemy combatants from the courts of US Military justice to the courtrooms of D.C., I feel like I am, once again, standing on the corner of Liberty and West Streets, staring at a gaping hole in the side of the North Tower.
Please forgive my rudeness, but as long as you insist on handing the enemy your sword with court decisions like the one today, I hope it is you and yours that lie at the feet of Islamic terror next time, rather than mine.
I wash my hands of this deadly court decision today. Again, you own it now, and I’m not anxious to see what you and your side do with it.
Desert Lover:
Why not protest at Obama Rallies?
Brain:
God Bless you.
And may I second your words….
oldcollegeguy1980
go for it partner …
I’m an equal opportunity protester … it’s the issue not just the individual …
I just figure there’s more chance of waking up McCain than causing any “Hope” of “Change” with BO
It is not about changing Obama. It is about showing Obama and his disciples that we are here.
McCain either will or will not work with us.
Obama is the one who need to see we are not afraid of him and his disciplies. And they do not have a free pass.
This decision is total BS. Habeas Corpus and the American civil rights do not apply to these terrorists. My friends who died on 9/11 died in vain.
I broke the news to my husband, who is overseas right now. His reaction: “you’ve got to be kidding me!” I said, nope, I’m not.
He cut to the chase- America doesn’t think there is a War on Terror. Our much vaunted legal experts think it’s a case of prosecution, not war.
I just heard Geraldo bloviating about how we can’t “shut on and off” the Constitution whenever we want. Megan Kelly, Fox’s legal expert, did her best to rebut his ignorance. How the hell does the Constitution apply to people who are detained in Cuba? Especially if they’re not even Ameican citizens.
You reap what you sow when you have activist judges now devising/deciding foreign policy and intervening on what is a military matter. What a disgrace for our military and people like my husband. Yet another indication that Americans, and their liberal overlords, have turned their back on the War on Terror and that the lessons of 9/11 have not been seriously heeded.
What a disgrace.
I still agree with the democrats that we should follow the Geneva Conventions on this. I read the Conventions and agree totally. They are combatants out of uniform, behind the lines, killing civilians. “Hello, Gitmo. Take them out and shoot them”. Just following the Geneva Conventions, folks. End of story.
#285:
Brian, perhaps if you read my entire post, you would have understood the meaning.
Don’t try to claim your New Yorker status as having some high ground here unless you have cousins who a) work(ed) in the WTC, b) are NY cops, and c) who are (were) NY firemen and who are suffering from health problems directly related to 9/11 and the clean-up that the city refuses to compensate them for.
Don’t play that card with me. Now calm down, and go back and reread my post in its entirety and maybe you’ll get a better understanding.
Martin # 271, glad I could help.
It has been a pretty sad day hasn’t it?
Exactly, etienne! Unfortunately, you’d have the likes of John Kerry saying it’s a freaking massacre then the accusation that we violated their “human rights.”
Just like these terrorists violated our troops’ human rights and those of other victims whose heads they chopped off. IMO, Gitmo is too good for these villainous scum.
I’m relieved to now that liberals have their priorities straight!
oldcollegeguy1980
I agree …
I sure wish Bush would simply say that he has no intention of abiding by this idiotic decision and will provide no executive help of any kind. Somebody needs to put the Supreme Court back in the Constitution where it belongs. It has become a dictatorial body with no accountability.
Another stupid ruling thats sending this country into dire straits. I really don’t get how the liberal mind works. Don’t they understand that these ENEMY combatants could care less if you live or die now they will gladly run the court system dry along with the taxpayers dime.
I just saw that idiot Geraldo on Fox. He cares more for our enemies than the safety of Americans. Get Em Megyn
I don’t know if this has been mentioned yet, since I just now had a change to visit this site; but I am not only disturbed by this decision, but what it may portend for the Second Amendment case awaiting the Court’s opinion.
{*NOT* proselytizing, relevant info on food storage follows…}
For almost a 100yrs, the LDS Church, (Mormons) has insisted that members have as much of a “year’s supply” as they are able… and 2 or 3 is better. This is all-inclusive: food, water, clothing, money, etc.
It has all sorts of uses… layoffs, natural disasters, etc.
We have amassed huge amounts of information of self-sufficiency: growing food, storing food, lots of other stuff.
Our information is freely available on the Church’s sister website:
http://www.providentliving.org/
I believe there are example lists, and methods for making it fairly painless to put together a yr’s supply in 3 or 4 months.
There is also a food storage quantity calculator at:
http://www.providentliving.org/content/display/0,11666,7498-1-4070-1,00.html
…and a drop-down above it leading to emergency preparedness, 72-hr kit, 3-month supply, extending the life of your storage, gardening, Family Finance, etc…
I hope people here find these things helpful.
– martin.musculus
Jim M, I was thinking about that when the decision first came down. Will the cops be at our doors wanting our guns?
Desert Lover;
as a fellow Desert guy myself, Las Vegas, I knew you would…
Thanks, Abstract!
Yep, I’ve certainly had better.
Well, DIL (D*aughter-I*n-L*aw) is dropping the Grandkids off for the evening. I need to go.
My prayers are with us all. I think we’re about to enter a cloudy, stormy time.
My best to all!
– martin.musculus
restlessindependent:
You can bet real money that they will be defended on the taxpayer’s dime. Miranda assures it.
BrianNY #285: Right On..
Khan: This is what people don’t understand. You don’t have to be from NYC or have a connection to 9/11 to have the “moral high ground”. That attack affected all of us that give a damn forever. We didn’t use it for political gain. We were patriots and loved the USA long before 9/11. Why do you think Rush Limbaugh is the #1 radio talk show host and has been for more than 15 years? Why do you think FoxNews is the most watched news channel in the USA? It is because this is a country of Patriots and very little (appart from unwarranted murder of innocents Americans) upsets us more than to see our own elected officials talking treason, spewing “hate America” every three seconds, making statements on television that place more risk on America’s fighting Men and Women, undermine the few freedoms we have left after the DemoCommies have had thier way and generally try to destroy a way of like that has been highly successful.
All Americans have the “Moral High Ground”.
Those who wish to commit national suicide deserve what they ask for.
martin – Ha! I knew it!
It takes one to know one. Yes, I am heeding the advice of GAs and preparing as well as I am able.
#292 khan said:
I read it, I just didn’t find that part worth addressing. However, I can comfortably throw Souter, Kennedy Stevens, Ginsberg and Breyer into the same Leftist tool box that our enemy relies upon.
(Chuckle) I don’t have to try. I learned long ago that my survival that day was a blessing from above to live on and disagree with misguided individuals.
But in regards to a), b) and c)…check, check and check. (I don’t think I’m who you think I am.) I’ll even raise you an ex-girlfriend, scores of young adults that I had drinks with regularly, a hero relative from Engine #22, a good kid who started his first big-boy job the same day I did, and the father of a girl, who worked right across from me, who ran sobbing into my arms after he called her to say goodbye that morning.
I don’t play cards Khan. I play real life. Decisions lead to consequences, and the decision today will have consequences. I leave those future consequences at your doorstep. I claim no part in the folly of the American Left.
BrianNY – I agree with you. But I am angry with Republicans for not standing up while they were in a position to do so and stopping this leftward slide that emboldens these wayward Justices to know they can get away with this.
I guess I’m just mad as heck at all politicians right now. From what I can see there are only 14 left in the Senate who stand for conservative prinicples. The rest of the Rs have abandoned those priciples in varying degrees. I’m sick of it and want to see it stopped!
I can’t believe Americans and politicians in particular have so quickly forgotten 9/11.
Welcome to the New “Judge Dredge” world!
I was responding to post 285, not 305. And not the parts where you accused another poster of an leftist agenda.
Put all the detainees on airplanes, fly them to San Francisco, put them on buses, bus them up to Pacific Heights and let them out in front of Nancy Pelosi’s multi-million dollar house on a day when she is home. Have interpreters convey to the detainees that this is the house of the nice lady of America that wants to shut down nasty old Guantanamo Detention Center and that she loves them and will give them everything they want. Give them all box lunches and leave them there.
Bloody idiots. And guess who’s going to pay for their defense? American Taxpayers. Way to show America as the most idiotic bunch of a55hats on the planet. Might as well save us taxpayers the expense and just set them all free now, and give each their choice of weapon to use on Americans on their way out.
Divide the US in half – east and west. The nutjob dems can have the west coast, and they can take their illegals with them, and their open border, and their terrorist ex-inmates.
I wonder how the 5 member majority will feel about suspending habeas corpus when the next terrorist reduces the Supreme Court building to rubble with them in it?
Sounds like just another suicidal judgment from the court.
Joy–there are many of us who have not forgotten:
This is one of my favorites:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/budweiser-respect/1960620373
How have we done fine for 225 years? The first of many, blatantly ignorant remarks. As to your assertion that we are a democracy, and for your “claims” that you’ve schooled yourself in many college history classes, you seem to have not picked up on how the country was founded and in what form. It’s called a REPUBLIC. We are not a democracy, which is a school of political thought and now generally used, slapdashedly by every liberal and public school teacher, to represent what we’re truly not. Such a comment represents the overall, ignorant attitude that Americans have for their own history, and how willing they are to rewrite it.
As to your assertion, Rusty, that the democracy was never made or broken by 3,000 deaths, I strongly disagree. Remember the Civil War? I guess you forgot the time that the Union Army thought nothing of deliberately annihilating Confederate soldiers in its Chicago POW camp, as there wasn’t much concern by the Confederate Army to keep its Union troops’ “human rights” in tip top shape. We lost 600,000 people in the Civil War, Rusty. Was that a drop in the bucket too?
Here are a couple of examples that you need to examine which may not adhere to your “human rights” at all cost because terrorists’ rights are better than civilian life meme:
1. Illegal Immigrants killing American citizens through murder, DUI, car accidents. Illegal Immigrants inflicting harm on American citizens through rape, molestation, identity theft.
What about the “human rights” of those American citizens?
2. A whole political party (liberal Dem branch) and its media wing treating the military as an enemy of the state.
What about our military’s “human rights?”
3. Not doing a damn thing about energy independence because both parties are beholden to special interests like enviomentalists.
What about our “human rights” which include our liberty and for that matter economic liberty?
4. Pork spending… both political parties sticking pork in bills where individual politicians profit from.
What about the “human rights” of the taxpayers who trust the government to spend their money wisely?
5. Education opportunity. Dem politicians not supporting vouchers for deserving minority children who want a chance to succeed. Instead, Dems want to support a failing, public education system.
What about the “human rights” of our children to get a good education that equips them with skills for a prosperous future?
We can go around and around all day about how you think the US not preserving “human rights” somehow means a make or break moment for our “democracy.” No, I would argue that ignorance of the electorate of what the government can and cannot do further ensures a malfunctioning, less transparent Republic that doesn’t really represent her citizens.
Rusty, there’s more at stake here than mere “human rights.” You promoting the same citizenship considerations for terrorists that makes a joke out of the two dear friends I lost on that tragic day makes you more the ignorant fool for believing that your idea of “democracy” is sancrosanct when the consideration of “human rights” is raised. Too bad you’re not the only ignorant fool that continues to whine and complain about their “needs” at the expense of citizens who see an eroding Republic on many fronts.
Willful, civic ignorance is not democracy in action. Not on your part or those of your fellow sheeple out there.
#305, Brian:
Then you missed an invaluable opportunity to hold your tongue.
#303:
Save it. He’s the one who brought it up, not me. He misunderstood my post and used it as some launching point for a misguided lecture against a misidentified target. This is what happens when people are unable to employ critical reading and they see what they want to see.
On June 12th, 2008 at 6:06 pm, BrianNY said:
WOW, man that’s powerful stuff.
I wonder if lgm and people of their ilk have ever been in combat. What happens when you bring the enemy to the US for trial, and he gets a commie lawyer?
The commie lawyer is going to want witnesses and evidence…. from a war situation!!!!
HELLO!!!!
Imagine a 21 year old soldier in Iraq. He/She is trying to do the job, protect himself, protect his fellow soldiers, protect innocents, and kill/capture the enemy. Then he must collect evidence and remember ALL events.
Are you kidding me?
I can just see it now.
Commie lawyer: Sgt. So and So did you have any other witnesses to what happened in the middle of battle 3 years ago.
Commie lawyer: Sgt. So and So did you collect any evidence from my defendant Ish Kabbil al BS. You said he fired at you. Where’s his weapon? bullet fragments? ballistics?
So now these scumbag lawyers are going to drag good men and women soldiers from their duty, to testify at trial for someone that wants to kill us. Yes US, including your liberal butt.
This is what happens when liberal judges make up laws instead of enforcing them.
Point: You don’t give rights to enemies during war, declared or otherwise. The jerks were living large at Gitmo.
And I’m sorry that a few possible innocent people may be detained. They were in the wrong place at the wrong. Consider it even for the beheading and other tortures our people have received. But the majority of the detainees are scum.
I hope Bush appeals.
I’m not sure. While some will not say this, and others have mentioned it, I will also chime in. I’m doing the back-and-forth dance about McCain. My military husband doesn’t like him either. What is more important: sticking by principles, or letting the other guy (Obummer) laugh in your face when he says he’s going to defund and downsize/destabilize the military.
Everyone needs to look within their consciences and assess what they can accept and what they can’t. There is much I can’t accept already about McCain and the way he’s run his campaign has been silly and lazy. He’s got a golden opportunity to look in the mirror and examine whether compromising his own values and screwing over Conservatives will help him in the long run.
If he continues to blather on about detainee rights, global warming, and not doing anything about illegal immigration then, yes, I will do some deep soul searching. I might even vote for Bob Barr and I’ve never voted for a libertarian candidate.
JT, I never thought I would say this but, F it, bring the troops home now.
Before I get jumped for that idiotic stament, here’s why:
The left is so far bent on losing this thing today’s ruling surely handed victory to our enemies of today and in the future. Our Troops are trying to fight a war but anytime they kill the enemy, they are subject to being called “Murderes in cold blood” and guilty before they stand trial. On the battle field, they take pause in killing the enemy.
Now, if they capture the bastards, they will be judged in the left’s court and will be released to go back and try to kill our Brave.
Yes, It’s time to bring our troops home so they can fight the enemies within: The Left and the Illegal invaders.
Petition of grievances… great idea. I’ll give it some thought. I don’t have any experience with this though. I’m with anyone who can draw it up though.
Christiansoldier 312 – That made my cry. Really good video.
Oh and Rusty you and lgm are equally detestable.
So it was just 3,000. Well I knew about 30 of them as friends and associates. I know 11 FDNY and NYPD that are dying from the effects.
Until the threat is eliminated, it isn’t over.
I really don’t care what other countries think about us. They are all socialist/marxist mutts. Like Obama.
I enjoy a quality of life that I am not willing to give up. Other countries can come along. But I won’t give up freedoms to be like France.
I read on RUSH …..a caller that worked at GITMO said that the facility was not owned by the USA.
It is rented…….
How does the SC have the authority to do anything unless we own it ????
All these clinton / obama kool aid drinkers are so out of touch with reality ….
They claim we have no allies anymore … yet NATO is in Afghanistan … and all those liberal European governments these clowns thought were so great during Billy Boy’s years are all electing hard line conservative leaders because they have already realized the mistakes they made that have led to the ROP problems and riots in their countries …
Totally agree, but would add in they can take their commie government run nanny state with them too. It’s a great solution, and we would all see who thrives and who crumbles.
John Ansell #318 – This is one of the HUGE reasons I had decided not to vote for McCain, because I knew if this happened (and I know he supports this), the war would essentially be lost, which made his so-called support for the war moot.
I’ve wondered why McCain would claim to support the war and yet do everything he could to undermine it. It’s like he’s faking us out.
I know we’re headed for war here on our own land one way or the other, but it is frightening to see the speed with which it is coming.
….Just got home from work and have not read all the comments on the thread so this may already been posted but,,,,,,,,,why are we worried about SCOTUS nominees McAmnnesty might nominate?
We have a supposedly Conservative Supreme now and they come up will this assinine ruling. The country I once knew and loved is no more, it is broken. I am saddened for my children and grandkids. God help us……PLEASE.
Joy……
I scanned the last 250 or so comments as to this topic and I appreciate the tips and links that relate to self-preparedness. I am also slowly collecting those necessities as best I can. There seems to be an informal co-op forming among my neighbors to our mutual benefit.
#313 your listings are masterful-thank you. People forget that the Founders designed this nation to be a REPUBLIC rather than a democracy for a VERY good reason!
As to LOTE: as I have written so many times–the slippery slide to the left will not be expedited by my voting again for the LESSER OF TWO EVILS!
Oh…and Johnny?
I’m of the opinion that God helps those who help themselves.
President Bush needs to order our Armed Services to include in the soldiers usual TA-50 gear, a fingerprinting kit, crime scene tape, a bullhorn, audio/video recording equipment, a pair of handcuffs to be worn at all times when on duty(the USsoldier has the option of his or her hands cuffed in front or back), a copy of the terrorists rights act(in the event our brave men and women find themselves under attack and are considering defending themselves) and the entire second season of CSI(new on DVD).
I just cannot believe they would open this can of poisonous problems.
This is unprecedented BS.
How do Democrats make money?
Tell Us Senator Turbin. What do you do when people find out you invest in questionable stuff?
Next we will see him selling off holdings tied to Iran and North Korea.
While I feel this is the best, culturally-referenced line of the day, you’re insulting My Little Ponies, which were a staple of my childhood. Does that show how old or young I am or what?
Yep, I would have chosen something a little less kind to them myself, but my talanted co-conspirators on this blog (like Desert Lover, Soap, and AJ) possess a turn of phrase that even My Little Pony would snicker at.
Brian, I was there on 9/11 too, had just walked from the WTC PATH to my office one block away. I am so sorry for what you witnessed, and I applaud your post. You say, very eloquently, exactly how I feel. Thank you.
Thanks for the support, CS. I appreciate it. It was a pleasure.
Lousy ruling, no problem…no more prisoners…just shoot the bastards, problem solved.
Tom, #329,
I hear ya, I’ve never owned a gun other than a BB gun in my life but I’m shopping for a handgun, a shotgun and a good rifle. Any suggestions?
…No quarter given, take no prisoners.
Yeah, but you know what’ll happen in 50 years… their economy will go to pot, and then we’ll get all these illegals swarming into our country – leftard illegals, that is.
JohnnyNJ:
I love my Ruger! Made in the USA, solid, dependable, accurate, and very affordable!
it’s not like it matters. This is the third time the court has ruled gitmo detainees have the right to a habeas corpus hearing. And everytime the court extends some minimal degree of rights to the Guantanamo detainees, the conservatives like Scalia whine and moan and predict the end of America, the bush administration finagles around the ruling, and nothing happened.
Atheling-
not if we do it right….
we will have an electrified border fence. And we WILL require picture IDs…
Problem Solved.
Hard to say really…there are so many good choices out there. I would suggest that you check with armed friends as to their recommendations.
But you might have a problem. If I read your “handle” correctly….you reside in New Jersey which has some of the most restrictive firearms laws in the nation.
I googled New Jersey firearms laws just to make sure that my memories were correct. They were.
I won’t go into detail here but I suggest you google those laws and statutes as well. That way you can evaluate if it is worth it to you to even attempt to own a firearm there.
I believe it was on Powerline where I was reading a very interesting point that came out of the decision.
McCain has promised to nominate judges that do not legislate from the bench and who beoieve in the Constitution. Yet, the 4 judges Republicans believe would be the kind he would appiint all disagreed with his position on GITMO set forth in today’s decision.
The 5 judges who found, through rather twisted logic, that non uniformed combatants have rights under the US Constitution actually fall into the McCain camp. Those combatants, incidently, could be executed as spies under the Geneva Conventions.
It really makes you wonder just what kind of judges McCain will nominate for the Court if he is elected.
nyc123me said (#310):
The problem is that it’s the liberal half that makes America function. All those engineers and silicon valley innovators, the people in New York City who make our economy run, they’re all part of the college educated liberal elite.
You mostly undereducated underskilled conservatives would have an economy more like Mexico if we didn’t run it for you.
Then how do you account for the moderate and independent composition of the Republican Party? Even as a Conservative myself, it would be the height of optimism to think that the Republian Party is soley “Conservative.” I would love it to be but it can’t. Parties, like policies, change over time, and I guess even the Republicans (though I think it stupid) are trying to be hip and cool even though the stupid kids out there (and event the grownups) think that the Republican Party is soley for the entitled, rich, and privileged of this country (which I don’t believe). No, these folks think that Mr. HopenChange (I’m borrowing another poster’s moniker) will actually change anything.
It’s nice to make believe that the Republicans are soley “conservative” when in fact they, like the Dems, encompass many groups, including Moderates, Independents and Libertarians.
I’m not trying to quibble with you Joy, but I am trying to say that we all need to base our view of politics and the ideas/views of the Republican Party in reality, not wish fulfillment. Though, if the Republicans continue to offer half-assed, half-hearted candidates like McCain, they will lose all the groups that compose the party including Conservatives, Moderates, and Independents.
We need to start one state at a time in places like Hawaii who have given up and accepted that Hawaii will always be a liberal place. Unless these state parties and the RNC get it together, there will be no more Republican Party. It will meet the same fate as the Whigs. Perhaps, in order to adjust and adapt to the seductive mind control that the Dems have over the sheeple of this country, it is time for a new party and the dismantling of the Republicans. It pains me to even think about such a thing, but perhaps it was bound to happen when we’ve had 8 years of somebody who called himself a “conservative” but decided not to do much about illegal immigration.
Joy, your points are valid, but you need to get a realistic perspective of the Republican Party.
LGM manages to out stupid the stupid yet again!
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How do you manage such consitancy lgm?? lol
Yu meen, not like uz reneks?
Get you pointy little head out of your ass, lgm. I suspect the average poster here is better educated than you are. I know they are a lot smarter. If you’re an engineer, I’m Albert Einstein.
I wish to thank LGM and his compatriots for doing such a great job of running the country.
Given the evidence we see before our eyes everyday, you’re doing SUCH a good job.
If lgm wants to talk down to us, I think she’ll need something better than her Wymens Studies degree to do it.
Thanks lgm. We all really needed a good laugh today.
Emjem24 – I do have a realistic perspective of the Republican Party. That’s why I’m no longer one of them.
Oh…by the way…..
That’s
S-A-R-C-A-S-M……
lgm said:
Um Engineers? Liberal? Engineers laugh at the liberal arts “kids”, the liberal and engineering discipline are two entirely different animals. I rub elbows with the engineering elite all the time and not a single one of them is liberal in any fashion. I just spoke with a PE today who designed the new lock doors for the NYS Canal System and well as one of the Chief Engineers at NYS DOT. There’s just not a millimeter of room for liberal stupidity; we’re the most realistic and serious people you’re ever going to meet. If you dared tread where I do you’d realize how insane and ridiculous liberalism is.
For someone who’s supposedly a Math educator (ahem professor, mind controller, whatever) this is the most blatant attempt at spin and ignorant blather that Rusty could not accomplish nearly as well (though I’m sure he would try).
I think you’re forgetting talented Conservatives like myself who have taught for a number of years. Or could you explain why liberals have decided that now they will no longer accept Master’s professionals in fields like Social Studies educaton either because they won’t pay the matching salary, or they will not admit anybody (with talent) who is either a Conservative or associated with the military. That has been my experience. I wonder why that is, lgm? Care to comment?
I’m sure in your one-sided spiel, lgm, you forget that talented, white collar, professionals such as scientists, educators, military professionals (by the way my husband, another Conservative, has a Master’s degree and I don’t think he’s underskilled or undereducated) as well as engineers and educators make this country run. To suggest that Conservatives compose the “undereducated and underskilled” is the biggest source of tomfoolery I’ve ever witnessed. To suggest that indicates you yourself are the elitist, entitled, and privileged of this country which liberals have demonized and trumped up as the only people who are “Republican” or “Conservative.” I find this interesting since a lot of rich, entitled, privileged liberals seem to be fundraising and influencing Obummer’s campaign. You know the ones who are bundling and hiding who actually contribute to the campaign.
Yet, you also fail to account for the hard-working, blue collar folks who voted for Hilary. They are the ones who make this country run. For someone who likes to pretend they don’t engage in the whole class warfare argument, you’re certainly deeply steeped in it today.
And to LGM – welll
ROFLMBO…….. If you’re on meds, stop taking them. If you’re not on them, start…
flenser said (349):
Maybe you know this, but university faculty are liberal across the board.
Those biochemists who figured out functional genomics that will lead to the next generation of drugs, they’re 80% liberal (or 90% after 8 years of Bush not believing in evolution).
The electrical engineers and computer scientists (and one former Senator and Vice President with a Nobel Prize and an Academy Award) who made the internet possible, they’re 80% liberal (90% after 8 years of Bush opposition to net neutrality).
Pablum.
We’d have an economy like Mexico if we weren’t fighting you tooth and nail every step of the way to prevent your nationalizing everything in sight and letting all the Mexicans move here.
Algore? You just blew your whole argument for the mental superiority of liberals.
Okay, then you will be one of the independents who will decide the election. I’ve already accepted this. I’m not sure if I will stay a Republican, since it’s of little use to be one as an absentee voter in the state of New York. My home state is just hopeless.
I’ve been tinkering with turning independent but my husband reminds me that the primaries in New York will be closed to me. I don’t know if that matters to you, but I certainly don’t identify with anything in the Dem party. I’ve found that there are some Conservatives in New York I can support and this is what makes me reluctant to become an independent.
Yep, I didn’t meet his paradigm too there, Joy. I think he’s been medically “assisted” a little too long myself. Some of the biggest wasters and hippy refugees I’ve met were college professors and even some of my fellow public school educators (you know the baby boomer generation). Perhaps, he needs to lay off the weed, and gain a little perspective himself.
Unfortunately yes, but the smartest students question
and challenge them and become conservatives.
But if you really want to point out liberal brilliance, we need only look at all those brainiacs in Hollywood.
Take no prisoners, because
Dead Men Tell No Tales
And Scalia can go right on playing buddy-buddy with Ginsberg? That’s got to be the most dysfunctional relationship on this planet. Talk about ’sympathy for the devil’.
I don’t know. I get along fine with my brothers-in-law, but we strenuously avoid politics. I don’t see how Scalia could do it, though, when he has to witness her witless liberalism on a daily basis.
I doubt your brother’s-in-law decisions will cost the lives of Americans, as Scalia said his buddy’s decision will cause. She could have been the swing vote.
LGM, thank you for showing us that you really are a male skank. You look down upon conservatives who you think are really nothing more than illegal Mexicans while you with your ugly, bearded self sit in an ivory tower while the losers of the world (in your pathetic, sick and disgusting view) are in the military, those who do blue collar jobs, first responders, etc. go about their days keeping you safe. You laugh at us who do the duty you couldn’t see fit to do but while you run your stupid races, someone has to do the grunt work so you can. Hell is too good for you, loser. BTW you’re really an unattractive man, but you already know that don’t you?
LGM you’re really a turd, Al Bore did not invent the internet, Love Story wasn’t about him and he’s a fat slob who lives large while wanting the rest of us to live small. But you probably do the same because you are the all knowing fugly idiot.
No, as I noted much earlier, her vote was preordained by her ideology. Kennedy was the swing vote, as always.
LOL…easy, terrig, easy……
I have to confess that LGM and his comments actually got my dander up to where I felt compelled to respond.
Then I realized I played right into his hands….
The way I see it, he/she is sitting in front of the monitor laughing at us. LGM gets to swing by, drop a bomb, and then smugly sits by the computer while the rest of us express outrage. Seems to me that this is exactly what’s wanted. I hate to be accused of profiling here but isn’t that the behavior of someone who is merely a cog in the wheel….an academic “Eichmann” if you will ( to paraphrase Ward Churchill)…..someone who might just be barely hanging on to tenure.
We would be better served by not responding at all…..
And, Frankly?…..from now on that is exactly what I’m going to do….
Figures, you are counting a complete moron in Gore (who’s racist father filibustered against Civil Rights) for a Nobel Peace prize that has nothing to do with his green BS. He’s making millions off a lie… gotta give him credit, it is the liberal way.
And most of the people you mentioned who work for a living in industry are conservative. “Teachers” and I use that term loosely, because of ten-year, can do and say what ever they want. Most teachers are subpar.
If the student fails, the teacher has failed to teach. Do you subscribe to that lgm?
I was a corporate trainer, fixing higher academia’s mistakes. Not one student left without the ability to do the task.
Can you say that?
Of course my pay was performance based, so I guess that would be no. Right?
Well said! I lost two friends that black day and their remains were never found. They left behind two pregnant wives. I know that liberals like lgm and Rusty want me to get over it and move on but it’s very hard when I see their faces in my mind. I wish more Americans understood what that felt like.
I do believe this decision will help the enemy, not the military. It will hamper the work of my husband and his brothers and sisters in arms. It will make both the deaths of my friends and a friend of my husband’s, who died from an IED attack in Iraq, seem in vain.
I think people in the US just want to erase this chapter in our country’s long history with court decisions like this. I think Americans want to just pretend that 9/11 never happened. To many Americans, they ignorantly think it can never happen again. If you’re not vigilant, you’re not aware.
My husband is overseas right now, Brian, and he was shocked. I’m sure that won’t be the only note of shock that runs throughout the military. Perhaps, some will find the decision was inevitable given the constant drumbeat of demonization by the liberals and their media accomplices of the military.
Life means nothing to liberals. They treat it so casually, they turn away from it so selfishly. For people like Rusty who think 3,000 deaths of our citizens can’t make or break our “democracy” is a proof in point at how liberals don’t get it.
Have you ever wondered if the skills they teach are so valueble why they’re not making the big bucks doing it? Maybe teaching is as good as it gets? I don’t know.
I work with lots of power, electrical, and mechanical engineers and programmers and only one of them is a lib. Academic science, and medicine you may be right but I don’t think so for engineering.
Consider that oil makes this country run and they’re no libs.
Tom, I often ignore this fool but tonight I got to talk to my hubby from Iraq and he was upset as well about this ruling as was everyone he knows over there. I cannot stomach this moron but will try to ignore him and his ilk.
Running the country… please. People who create jobs and wealth build the country. Conservatives…. Notice how libs want to run everything. Even lgm… wants control. Conservatives want to build wealth and freedom. This is the big difference.
Lgm you wouldn’t be in the position you are in without endowments from capitalists. That means conservatives unless you are that Soros scumbag.
1) Liberal indoctrination in the colleges means more graduates are liberal. As reality sets in they become more conservative.
2) California would be more conservative but the liberal policies have driven them out of the state.
emjem24,
The fact that they trivialize 3,000 deaths explains everything. Ir doesn’t mean that I don’t sympathize with people that die from attacks in other countries.
I work in NYC and if I die, it will be at the hands of liberals and their policies who forget 9/11.
Draw the curtain. The farce is played.
Today’s ruling is the most threatening ruling to the free world of the modern age.
For those not understanding the basis for which the SCOTUS ruled on Guantanamo Bay land designations, the US has absolute control and jurisdiction of the Bay waters and surrounding lands so long as they physically represent naval or coaling interests there. Such control and jurisdiction is granted as a right under the Cuban-American Treaty.