Discuss: “We would have loved to knock his head off, too, but we had nothing to knock it off with.”
I can’t get this story out of my head and heart.
How do you feel about the quote by the Stanislaus County Sheriff’s Department’s spokesman at the very end of the piece?
“It sounds like there was nothing anyone could have done.”
Nothing?!?!
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I’m reminded of eleven-year-old Xochil Garcia, a brave little girl who rejected the idea that there was nothing she could have done to stop a 6′2″ attacker. If more of the adult witnesses who outnumbered the monstrous Sergio Casian Aguiar had adopted Xochil’s attitude, an innocent two-year-old boy might still be alive today.
First rule for instilling a culture of self-defense: Be prepared.
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A perfect example why I have a CCP…I’d have shot him without a 2nd thought. By any chance is the killer an illegal alien?
Rightisright #100, conflicting reports. I heard he’s illegal and heard he’s legal.
Oh no, please don’t turn this to a discussion of his immigration status. Please. I beg you. Not today, and not on this story.
So we see 2 grown women and 3 grown men pull up to the scene and they don’t even attempt to stop this guy? Hell, that’s five adults against one. What is wrong with the picture here?
And not a tire iron in the vehicle she drove?
Noted Vickisoup, I’m using the other thread for that.
Bless you, John, thank you.
I think JT has the answer with the tire iron…
One thing to keep in mind, if a few people did try to help (how much has not been reported): if this creep was on drugs like PCP and/or was psychotic (getting the demons out of the poor baby) then it may have been impossible for one person to bring him down. I have seen four burly medics and security guards struggle to get psycotics in leather retraints in an emergency department. So it maybe was like that for the bystanders?
Faced with the prospect of hating myself for my cowardice for the rest of my life, I like to think I would have made an effort to intervene.
That being said, it’s always easy to imagine all sorts of heroics, but when you’re in the situtation, it can be different. Not that I’m excusing anybody, but I wasn’t there, and don’t know exactly what happened.
I was in a bank once when it got robbed. The robber was out the door before I even knew what was going on. So much for my Chuck Norris fantasies. Real life, as I found out, isn’t like TV.
So, while in this tragic situation there is but a sliver of doubt, I believe we should extend the benefit of that sliver to those witnesses who will probably be haunted by their inaction for a long time.
Goes to show, most Americans these days are gutless PsOS. I think the schools, and this sissy PC culture are to blame. I have no doubt about what I would have done to this animal.I would have walked up, told him to freeze, and if he didn’t, Shot him in the face; And to hell with the Cal. courts. Sometimes you have to think about more than your own ass.
There’s no dirt or tire irons in the ER.
Besides, thanks to hacks like John Edwards, medics aren’t allowed to kick a crazy man in the crotch or bash him over the head or scratch his eyes out in order to subdue him, because they may get sued.
Thank God I am allowed to do so, and I don’t care if I get sued.
John, tks for the info.
vickisoup, wasn’t trying to turn the thread into anything more than it is, a horrendous happening. I can’t be curious and ask a legitimate question?
Either him or me or both of us would have went down.No way I could have stopped myself.
What an absolute chickens*** excuse! Are you really suggesting that these cowards stood idly by for fear of prosecution?
There were at least three grown men and no indication that the murderer had a weapon.
jt3151 said:, I don’t think he had a weapon because he would have used it on the child and/or the police. Looking at the picture of the punk, it doesn’t look like it would take much effort to knock the snot out of him.
Oh. My. Unimaginable.
My sympathies to the poor baby’s mother. I hope she has loving, supportive family members and friends to help her through this.
JT3151, According to this account the animal was unarmed.
After reading this horrible story on Monday, I was ready to condemn the witnesses. Actually, I still do, but I’ve never been in that kind of situation. Then I read about the first people on the scene:
Isn’t this a person TRAINED to run TOWARD dangerous situations to help citizens? Plus the fact it’s 5 people against 1, I still can’t believe it. In some articles I’ve read people said, “It was obvious the child was already dead” so they continued to watch him kick the baby 100 TIMES!!! I’ve also read that the first guy there had the presence of mind to turn on the hazard lights on the truck? And the assailant actually helped him? So why, at that point, wouldn’t someone scoop up the baby and run? Even if he was already obviously gone, at least he should die in someone’s arms, not like roadkill. I look at my 3 year old who is so TINY and it just makes me sick.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,368603,00.html
Exactly.
I’ve had to take down druggies, drunks, psychotic people more times than I can count and without being able to use any kind of weapon. Its not that hard and in a pinch I could teach five adults how to do it in about 10 seconds.
I know exactly why bystanders didn’t act - because they would get sued for assault, without a doubt. This has happened many many many times in similar situations (albeit not as extreme). There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that would happen - under US law you can act in self defense, but you cannot act to defend someone else without risking ending up in jail for assault, and they way judges are lately, you can almost guarantee they’d happily send you away for it.
The other option in my mind is that IF you decide to act, then be prepared to kill the offender so they won’t sue you.
BTW, I believe the quote at the end ““It sounds like there was nothing anyone could have done.” was meaning that nobody would have foreseen this violent episode before it happened, not the there was nothing any of the bystanders could have done.
Did the story say how long the adults stood there doing nothing?
I agree, it does not make sense to me that they did not overpower/distract this animal to the point that he had to drop the baby.
McKain was one of the
witnessescowards.If you read through many of the 450+ posts on the linked news story you can see the direct results of liberalism in action by which types of comments get the thumbs up and which get the thumbs down.
If they want to live in a fantasy world where dialing 911 is their only duty they had better be prepared for a lot more of this to happen to them because even with the fastest police car responding immediately to a call they are not going to get there in time to save your life in a life and death situation. It is all in your hands, if those hands are empty and too scared to do anything because the society around you teaches you to submit rather than defend then you reap what you sow.
The thing that sticks out in my mind is how willing these people were to be witnesses, standing there watching what had to be one of the most gruesome acts they have ever seen in their lives. If they weren’t going to try to intervene and somehow try to stop the guy, why they heck would they even stay around. Call 911 and continue on your way. Pathetic. But this is what Stanislaus County is, the armpit and butt-hole of California.
The earlier poster’s comment about them being sheep is right on target. They are sheep that stand around waiting to be the next victim. From stolen cars to identity theft, from burglaries to drugs and gangs, that county is one ripe crap hole. Anyone in law enforcement working in that area, who deals with the cesspool that is Modesto/Ceres/Turlock and outlying smaller cities will confirm my statements.
Its just a shame that such an innocent life had to be taken, yet again, by another piece of trash resident of that county.
A real man would have done something. My father , God rest his soul, saw 3 guys trying to steal a car in front of our apartmet building in Los Angeles. He had no gun, just a bibi-gun (sp?) and he went out with it anyway. When the jerks saw it, they ran. I understand women not doing anything, but the fireman with his adult son and the son’s male friend? I don’t understand at all. That is why I carry a stunt gun, nowadays you cannot rely on anyone to help you. We don’t live in the era of John Wayne anymore. I will be studying soon for my concealed weapon’s permit. Too bad I cannot take with me when visting Cali.
It’s been a while since law school, but I thought even in CA you could intervene to defend the LIFe of a third person. I am almost sure of that. Any criminal attorneys out there? OR ones who actually remember crim law?
Now there you’re wrong. There is case law which allows for killing/shooting in the defense of someone else, as well as oneself. The danger would be using too much force, i.e., pumping the guy with 100 rounds, for instance.
I doubt there is a jury in the country who would convict someone of murder or assault if they used reasonable force in order to stop the murder of that child.
In fact, I would bet that if any prosecutor saw that reasonable force was used, the case would be dismissed.
Let’s not stray into fantasy here. Do some research. No prosecutor in his right mind would pursue such a case when it involves reasonable force, and defending a child’s life. We do have laws and statutes which protect citizens from prosecution in cases like these.
On June 18th, 2008 at 4:30 pm, vickisoup said:
vickisoup, self doubt and failing to plan ahead are not what I’m pointing out. I’m talking about in the shock of the moment, what would a person do? No time to think… just to react. Anyone who says they **know** what they would do is fooling themself, because every situation is different.
By your response to me, you seem to assume that I’m admitting to indecision and inability to act. Note that I said — I’d like to believe that I’d do the “right” thing –. I didn’t say that I wouldn’t act. In fact, I’m a martial artist in-training and was worried that I may over-react and use too much force, in a given situation.
I do carry my CC friend “Snuffy”, with me more these days… wearing Hawaiian shirts is a bonus … but in MN the season isn’t that long. I have had an opportunity to stop a beating in front of my VFW a few years ago and was able to get into the dust up with extreme prejudice to the attacker. The victim was an 82 year old gentleman.. I agree with an earlier poster who said, it doesn’t take “courage”… it takes “will”. Oh, and the fact that four or five people could have stopped him earlier but didn’t? That’s just disgusting. No man can take on 5 people…. not even a Marine, and if one says he/she can, they lie.
Own a gun. Shoot the bastard. At least try to save the child. This story has sickened me.
I see many gung-ho comments talking about how they would have and if they were there but the fact of the matter is that bystanders did try to intervene but were fought off.
It is a tragedy but not the fault of California, the public school system or Oprah…. it was a crazed lunatic who was hell bent on killing a kid.
BTW in my personal experience one of the best self protection you can car in your car is the Club
Typical Liberal Response.
We reading the same article, because the SFGate article I read linked above said this genius:
Or does “forcefully arguing” count as “intervening” to you liberals?
And only a fool would argue that the political nature of the anti-gun and anti-self-defense and “just call 911 and be submissive to your attacker” mentality hasn’t poisoned whole sections of society into sheeple.
I’ve personally stood up an armed attacker who broke into my apartment while I was home. You know what scared him off without a fight? I think it might have had something to do with the .45 pointed at his face and my yelling “drop the weapon”.
I carry a large caliber high-powered handgun at all times. I have gone over and over hundreds of scenarios in my mind that would require its use. In situations like this, firearms make the attacker and I equal. I would not have hesitated to use my weapon to the best of my ability to protect this poor innocent defenseless child. What a shame.
Any bets that this guy was an ILLEGAL ALIEN? Do we know?
Grizzly,
Leave it to Malkin to post the the version that she can politicize. Here a couple of other stories from the local media, regarding the intervention:
Here
Robinson, a volunteer fire chief in Crows Landing, and at least one other man tried to pull Aguiar away from the boy, but the suspect kept attacking the toddler.
Here
“They tried to intervene and get involved, but their efforts really didn’t have an effect. The suspect was engaged in what he was doing. He just pushed them off and went back to it.”
I just don’t understand the bystander’s inaction. I was in an almost identical situation, except it was three teenagers kicking an old man on the ground. I intervened because, as scared as I was (and my knees were visibly shaking), the thought of living with myself if I’d walked away was even worse.
But that’s my personal choice. As the police spokesman said, the witnesses did exactly what authorities in gun-restricted jurisdictions tell people to do: Call the cops, let the pros handle it, don’t be a hero. And the death of innocents is the inevitable result.
Why the shock that liberals believe in, and endorse, COWARDICE.
TOS
and what is missing in the other reports that you quoted?
I’ll tell you, no narrative on how the scumbag was debilitated from doing any more….
Theotherside: The attacker asked the coward for a knife. Check my post #115. He was not armed and this guy just talked with the animal?
Give me a break. I’m glad they shot and killed that loser because people like you would be calling for him to go to the mental hospital rather than to the gas chamber.
Cars are pretty intimidating>>>especially when they’re being used as a defensive weapon….
Why couldn’t any of the bystanders give the _ _ _ a “nudge” with their vehicle?
The police use horses to back mobs off.
The guy was KICKING the child. If they used a car, they run the risk of driving over the child.
atheling –I had thought that when this was first posted–then –after many hours–it came to me that a vehicle could have been postioned from behind the perp. —since the male and female by-standers were intimidated.
I guess I’m just non-plussed that several men could just watched. As a female –I know I would not have–from experience.
Hey, The Other Side:
None of your examples change a thing; not a thing, about the problems we, the brave, think of they, the cowards.
MM didn’t pick and choose. There is no spin that anyone can put on this hideous story to make it any more or any less an indictment on the inaction of the other adults.
The police would have had to have shot me to get me off that piece of crap.
May his soul burn long and slowly.
One of the basic problems is the conditioning of our population. The justice system has become so perverted and lawyers & judges so obtuse regarding the stability of our society, people have an instilled fear of getting involved. There have been so many cases where decent people end up in jail, fined, sued, etc because they did the right thing. Lawyers and judges have become the bane of our society to the point where all the criminals, psychopaths, misfits, etc have all the benefits and rights while the core of society is imprisoned by fear. Look at the recent Supreme court decision. Evil at best, to undermine our nation.
Wow, here’s a novel idea. PICK UP THE CHILD AND DRIVE AWAY TO THE HOSPITAL WITH IT. But I guess they were just in too much shock and frozen by fear to think of that one? Pffft. Give me a break.
I will admit that I only skimmed the comments here, but some are very disturbing. “Freezing up”? C’mon people, if you are a parent, there is no such thing as freezing up! I personally would have nothing nice to say about those who stood by and watched this happen. “He may have had something in his pocket….wah wah wah”. What if it were YOUR child? Would you let something this heinous happen to your child because you were afraid they “had something in their pocket”? There is NO excuse for this! NONE!!!
UberInfidel67, my bet is that many commenters here will do a long, deep self-examination about their own readiness to handle a crisis. And in the meantime, I don’t want to be on an airplane with any of them if some bad person tries to take over the plane. I need me some action heroes!
Subdue… Hell I’d have tried to take his head off with my softball bat.
i have often wondered what i would do if i saw a man beating on a woman or a child. i have imagined myself grabbing various instruments depending upon my situation, if in a car grabbing the tire jack and swinging. i have practiced such a scenario over in my mind as i cannot stand injustice towards the weaker. and as a young pre-teen witnessed a man beating his wife/girl friend in an alley as i was passing across the street. back then however various men came to her rescue. this incident so enraged me that i have carried this anger to be prepared now that i am an adult just in case. i would hope that i would have reacted as such with this man if i had happened across his path at the time of his murderous act. it does seem to me that a fire chief should have enough training and practice to handle an out of control person. so, either the child already was apprently dead when he arrived or this guy stopped to think of the consequences of his actions before acting, which caused inaction. how sad and may God Bless the Soul of that little child. God loves the little children. He wants us to care and love them as He does, too.
I don’t care what triggered the man to go insane. it doesn’t matter what drove him to this selfish act, just glad he got immediate justice. hopefully, the police officer will not have any unnecessary repercussions from liberal morons.
RE: #148 I hope so because this is just so sad.
Odds are that since Stanislaus County votes Republican by about 60% to 40%, the bystanders weren’t all liberals.
Being a female, I realize that I may not have been strong enough to overpower this lunatic… but I can say with certainty that I would have grabbed that poor baby and shielded him with my own body… or hauled ass with him in my arms.
Amazingly, I’m with Rusty. I know how I have reacted in these situations, and I know that I have done some damage. However, I’m probably half brain dead and an Eagle Scout to boot, so what would you expect??? However, there are too many sheep out there that expect someone else to do the dirty work. What was the Orwell quote: Men sleep better because someone is willing to inflict harm on their behalf???
BTW, I still have the scar, would do it again in a heartbeat. But I’m different - people with kids, etc., would have different conclusions. They just have to live with themselves…..
It is this scared, misinformed mentality that causes situations like this. The media scares people into inaction with wild stories about people who are prosecuted after being a good samaritan. Well, guess what? We aren’t talking about “US law” here. this occurred in California and as such falls under California law. California has a good samaritan law just for cases like this. Anyone who is acting in good faith and in defense of another has civil protection via this law.
Specifically:
From Division 2.5 of the California Health and Safety Code:
1799.102. No person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission. The scene of an emergency shall not include emergency departments and other places where medical care is usually offered.
This whole notion of “I didn’t do anything because I feared being sued or prosecuted” is just a cop out. Bottom line is, if you are using the common sense God hopefully gave you, and are acting with the intention of helping someone who is in need of help during and emergency, then who give a flying F whether or not you might get sued or prosecuted? I could live the rest of my life knowing in my mind and heart that I helped, that I did what was right. Nobody would or could take that from me.
Stan county is predominantly Republican. Or at least it was when I left in 2003. People think that all of California is liberal when in actuality its the big cities like SD, LA, SF that make it seem that way. One must remember who moved into the central valley in the 30s,40s,and 50s. It was the religious people from the dust bowl regions who migrated there for work. They brought religion and conservatism with them. The central valley is often, or was at least, thought of as the bible belt of the west. Stan county didn’t even have a strip club or sex shops until a few years before I left. Why? Because the religious right worked their butts off to rid the area of adult book stores. The pressure was so high that a strip club was unheard of. Now, they have it all.
Terrible, terrible tragedy. Good post Regulus…lot of internet heroes around here. Please atheling. You have no idea what you or anyone else would’ve done in this situation. Save the sanctimonious BS.
I have a problem with acting before thinking in a moment of shock. Sometimes regretting the force of my actions afterwards. I just hope that when I’m in need of help, there’s a little of that in anyone nearby and that these culturally castrated cowards are miles away sipping their soy lattes and listening to NPR.
# 145 You’ve about said it all..Tnanks.
It’s back to the Pacifism society. “Just hand over your wallet! It’s not worth dying for” leads to “Just let the police handle it”. My solution to the 911 hijackers was, rather than take knives from everyone, give everyone a knife!
We need to stand up!
Stand up!
STAND UP!
Caveat: I havent read all the posts up to this point
There’s a rule with emergency personnel - you save yourself before you save someone else before you save any property. (e.g reach throw row go)
The points of this story to note are: the ‘rescuers’ didnt have a weapon, didnt know the mental state of the attacker and didnt know if he was armed. And most of the onlookers didnt have emergency training. Plus from the article, if true, the toddler, had already sustained major bodily damage.
Side story and I am simplifying it: Years ago, two acquaintances showed up on my doorstep at 5AM after a night of drinking. By 5:30, I had already threatened to call the police twice, but I had enough and physically escorted them from my apartment before the police could arrive. I tossed them out the door and each of them thought the other had tossed the other to the ground. One of them had a strange look in his eye and proceeded to give the other one a severe beating before I could pull him away.
I felt bad that I had not been able to stop the attack soon enough and vowed to not wait to step in sooner again.
Less than two weeks later, that same person attacked another acquaintance of mine. This time, it took multiple people to separate me from him and a trip to the hospital was incurred. However, for as long as I knew him after that, he never attacked another person again.
The moral is: Perhaps, these onlookers have learned their lesson and will know what to do for the next emergency.
I don’t buy the whole “they were frozen in shock while he kicked the two year old child 100 times for seven minutes” line. One of the witnesses admitted she thought the child looked like he was “gone”. Those people stood there while he brutalized that child and watched him and they justified why they should stand back and allow him to continue. That makes them animals as well.
How hard is it to look at a map of California? Those people were miles away. This was in the Central Valley, which is conservative and republican. This county votes Republican at a higher percentage than South Carolina. It’s easy to blame this on ‘latte-sipping liberals;’ unfortunately, it’s also lazy, stupid and unjustified. If this had happened in Berkeley you’d maybe have a point. Seriously, look at a map before making something a political issue when it clearly isn’t.
People seem to forget that their cars/trucks are weapons! Covering a small person or a child, protecting them from that fellow, would not have been too hard to do as they would fit under the front of most cars easily.
Thinking of doing it in the heat of the moment would be the challenge - till you read this comment anyway!
I must be an oddball, I suppose. I would have reacted instantly. I know that, because once in the early 90s, a guy mugged an old lady in Arlington, Va. while I was driving by. I drove right up and blocked the guy from getting away, tossing him onto the hood of the car. Another good person assisted, driving up in his car. Seems this fool had a long record, and was going in for 15-20 years, this time. I have to admit I felt pretty good about it all. Guess it’s my military teaching…assess and react.
Wow. I really struck a nerve with you. I would ask you to reread my post but since you quoted it in your post, maybe you should just reread that. I never mentioned liberal or conservative or any political party.
I either nailed:
A) Your sipping beverage of choice
or
B) Your most used radio preset
Sorry for hitting so close to home on that one, but I was just trying to describe a person who is culturally castrated. I would never presume that the absence of moral absolutes in a person’s belief structure would cause them to react slowly when confronted with evil.
After reading a lot of the posts I still can’t honestly say what I’d actually do. I’m fairly certain that, if I didn’t have a gun or at least another person willing to help me confront the monster, I’d likely not do more than what the firefighter did. I can’t compare this to a mugger or even a road rager because he was obviously a very twisted individual thus making the range of his possible responses to intervention much wider and less predictable.
no, but you can bet the farm that all of them were cowards.
“we tried to pull him off the kid, but he just pushed them away”…what a load of crap. Did they just gently tug on his shirt, and ask “please sir, stop…”
You trolls can say “well, you people are awful brave online”…but some people are at least genuine when they say they’d have taken this guy down. Just because you dont have the spine to, or the training, don’t assume everyone else is just like you.
Sheep or Sheepdog? I am a sheepdog. You may be a sheep if you so choose.
cpodug,
Excellent post. I know for certain that I am no sheep or wolf. That leaves sheepdog. I’ll gladly accept that designation any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
It would have been worth it even if I were convicted and sent to prison for the rest of my life.
#131
“typical liberal response” implies that I am a liberal. I am not.
The article cited by Michelle in this post is not the only coverage on this story and there seems to be a wide variance into the number of bystanders that assisted and their level of assistance.
One article states that the firefighter managed to distract the attacker and the attacker returned to his truck how other bystanders did not rush to grab the child to me does seem irrational
” When Robinson went into the pickup to turn on the hazard lights, Aguiar stopped kicking the boy, helped him find the flashers, then went back to his attack, McKain said. She said there was blood in the truck’s cab”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/17/MNO911A396.DTL
supersean exactly echoes my sentiments. Already I’m reading that “experts” say that the bystanders were “in shock” and so excuse their inaction.
That is what’s wrong with consulting so-called, “experts”. They will find a way to justify or excuse anything.
I go on vacation for almost 2 weeks and this is what I come back to.! And then of course I have to read some of the comments (not all of them, some of them) that say that we are brave online and we don’t know what we would do if we came across this situation. WTH? I carry concealed, mostly for the protection of myself and my girls, but if there was a time I needed to protect someone else I would do it. That is what I practice and train for. I also carry a 6 D cell Maglight in my truck in the case I happen to not take my gun with me on any given day.
‘Over the next seven minutes, McKain said, Aguiar kicked his son at least 100 times as he calmly stated that he needed to “get the demons out” of the boy.’
OVER THE NEXT SEVEN MINUTES!!! WTF! They stood there for 7 minutes watching this happen! And he was calmly stating crap out of his mouth. CALMLY? I’m disgusted. I’m afraid to read anything else from the last 2 weeks. Please excuse my language, but this makes me want to puke.
Uhhhhh, hello? This just piles on to the inaction of the bystander. When the boyfriend of McKain stopped with his headlights on the man and couldn’t find the emergency flasher button the “brutal attacker” calmly walked over to the bystanders cab and helped him find the emergency flasher button leaving the blood of his victim in the cab in the process and then resumed kicking the boy for another 7 minutes.
This is some kind of defense in your eyes that he tried to do something? This just adds to the sadness and depravity of how weak and cowardly those bystanders in the McKain truck were.
Scary, thank God I have a CCP and was trained properly by the Army Infantry and live in a state with sane gun and self defense laws. Because a lot of you all scare me with the responses defending these bystanders.
I also love how supersean is either reading with some kooky glasses the rest of us need a pair to view with because your two statements were not only misleading but flat out false and borderline deceitful.
Original false statement by Supersean:
Neither the first SFGate article nor the second (and later written one) you linked indicated at any time did any of the bystanders physically try and stop the man or was fought off physically by the murderer.
Second false statement:
You then go on to quote how the McKain boyfriend couldn’t find his emergency flashers and the ATTACKER calmly helped him find it while leaving the child’s blood in his cab.
Wow, where do I get a pair of those glasses again?
Correction:
nor the second (and
laterearlier written one)IMO, all the men present when this was taking place need to reach down and see if they’ve still got a pair.
Pure apathy, complacency and outright cowardliness.
If it was two guys fighting in the street, I would not intervene. This was a BABY being BEATEN to death in plain view of everybody.
If I had come across that scene, the tire iron would have come out from under my seat in an instant and been bent over that guys head with great prejudice.
And that’s no B.S.
supersean,
Either way the child is dead. And the argument here is that there is something that someone could have done to prevent it… and they didn’t. That’s the saddest part of this tale… second, of course to the beating and subsequent death of this two-year old baby boy.
Is “sanctimonious” the only big word you know? You use it in almost every other comment you post.
Piss off, gadfly.
No one “freezes” for seven minutes. The three eunuchs who stood by and watched a two year old child die a horrible death are cowards without honor.
There is no man made law that would have restrained me or kept me from defending that child. I would rather at the end of my life go before the Almighty and say “Yes Lord, I fought for that child”, than say “But Lord, I might have been sued”.
Damn-well said!
One problem. This was in California.
Let’s say one of the bystander’s whupped or capped the guy who was beating his son. This would be the result.
“Hispanic-American male brutally (assaulted/murdered) in vicious hate crime!”
And with some footage taken claiming that his son had fallen and that he was merely trying to help him up. In between the swarm of lawsuits and angry phone calls at all hours that would have ensued, it’s not really a surprise why theres inaction.
I must wonder if this goes down the same way in Texas, or Florida, or Georgia, or some other Southern state?
As an eldest brother, I have the ingrained instinct to protect others. Twice before, a dog scared my younger brother, and both times I reacted by roaring at the dog before I even thought.
If I had been there, I would have attacked the killer with my bare hands. This is no mere aspiration. I might have leapt at that murdering father before I even realized what I was doing.
I’m a grandmother. I drive a minivan. I’m not real physically fit.
I could have stopped him and I would have stopped him.
I have always have Misters Smith and Wesson with me. Yes, I would have been arrested and probably been sent to jail for doing so, but I would rather be in a California jail than have to stand before the Lord and explain why I stood there allowing a baby to be beaten to death when I was packing that much heat.
In fact, like most people I do have a tire iron as well.
This whole incident is an alarming example of the moral disintegration of our culture.
ps. excuse the poor spelling, I’m a survivor of a quaker education..
That’s why you have to have the mental discipline to ascend to that level. Post-modern liberalism lacks that entirely.
How would you like it if that was your kid and I walked by, did nothing, and told you later, “Sorry, Rusty, I was just too scared. Your child is now DEAD.”
Probably not. Defensive use of a fire arm occurs daily in the United States. Sometimes the good guy might be charged falsely. That is why good people such as you should be honored to do jury duty.
I meet regularly with a group of people who have used guns in self defense/defense of others. We call our selves the
Defensive Use of Firearms Bunch
We all take pleasure in training/talking to others. One member is a retired Phoenix Police Lieutenant. That really helps in making sure we don’t give bad advise.
I have no sympathy or understanding for anyone who witnessed this tragedy and did not instinctively tackle the animal beating the child.