On June 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, WarTip said:
Had someone (a concerned citizen) shot this criminal, they would currently be in jail awaiting trial. Think again about what you would have done. It is fine and dandy to sit here and suppose but when the rubber hits the pavement, views often change.

Probably not. Defensive use of a fire arm occurs daily in the United States. Sometimes the good guy might be charged falsely. That is why good people such as you should be honored to do jury duty.
I meet regularly with a group of people who have used guns in self defense/defense of others. We call our selves the
Defensive Use of Firearms Bunch
We all take pleasure in training/talking to others. One member is a retired Phoenix Police Lieutenant. That really helps in making sure we don’t give bad advise.

Please have some sympathy for these witnesses. No one says, “If I see a man beating a child to death I’m going to stand around and do nothing.” Everyone thinks they’re a hero when it’s nothing but talk.

I can’t imagine how disorienting it would be to be confronted with something so horrible. If you’re dealing with a violent psychotic, who can blame someone for not wanting to get physically involved?

That’s why you have to have the mental discipline to ascend to that level. Post-modern liberalism lacks that entirely.

How would you like it if that was your kid and I walked by, did nothing, and told you later, “Sorry, Rusty, I was just too scared. Your child is now DEAD.”

I could have stopped him and I would have stopped him.

I have always have Misters Smith and Wesson with me. Yes, I would have been arrested and probably been sent to jail for doing so, but I would rather be in a California jail than have to stand before the Lord and explain why I stood there allowing a baby to be beaten to death when I was packing that much heat.
In fact, like most people I do have a tire iron as well.

This whole incident is an alarming example of the moral disintegration of our culture.

ps. excuse the poor spelling, I’m a survivor of a quaker education..

If I had been there, I would have attacked the killer with my bare hands. This is no mere aspiration. I might have leapt at that murdering father before I even realized what I was doing.

Let’s say one of the bystander’s whupped or capped the guy who was beating his son. This would be the result.

“Hispanic-American male brutally (assaulted/murdered) in vicious hate crime!”

And with some footage taken claiming that his son had fallen and that he was merely trying to help him up. In between the swarm of lawsuits and angry phone calls at all hours that would have ensued, it’s not really a surprise why theres inaction.

I would rather at the end of my life go before the Almighty and say “Yes Lord, I fought for that child”, than say “But Lord, I might have been sued”.

Damn-well said!

There is no man made law that would have restrained me or kept me from defending that child. I would rather at the end of my life go before the Almighty and say “Yes Lord, I fought for that child”, than say “But Lord, I might have been sued”.

On June 19th, 2008 at 12:33 am, dakine said:

Terrible, terrible tragedy. Good post Regulus…lot of internet heroes around here. Please atheling. You have no idea what you or anyone else would’ve done in this situation. Save the sanctimonious BS.

Is “sanctimonious” the only big word you know? You use it in almost every other comment you post.

Piss off, gadfly.

Pure apathy, complacency and outright cowardliness.

If it was two guys fighting in the street, I would not intervene. This was a BABY being BEATEN to death in plain view of everybody.

If I had come across that scene, the tire iron would have come out from under my seat in an instant and been bent over that guys head with great prejudice.

And that’s no B.S.