Inside McCain’s closed-door meeting with Chicago Hispanics
Scroll down for updates…Rosanna Pulido of the anti-amnesty group, “You Don’t Speak for Me:” “He’s one John McCain in front of white Republicans. And he’s a different John McCain in front of Hispanics.”
Last night, John McCain met with a carefully screened group of Chicago-area Latino voters. The town hall was closed to the media. Several readers e-mailed an eyewitness account of the event. Here’s an excerpt:
I was one of the 150 people at the Drake Hotel in Downtown Chicago Wednesday night who came to hear John MC Cain speak to Illinois Hispanics.
I had e-mail in my request to attend after seeing an article in the news paper announcing this event.
This is what i received……….
We are pleased to confirm your invitation to attend the “Hispanic Voices Reception” with Republican Presidential candidate John McCain. The event will take place on June 18, 2008, at The Drake Hotel, 140 E. Walton Place, Chicago, Illinois, in the Drake Room.
A volunteer will call you in the next couple of days to give you a “unique event ID number.” You will need that number along with photo identification at the registration table in order to access the event. Doors open for the event promptly at 7:30 PM. Please come early, though, to get through security.
During the reception, Senator John McCain will be fielding questions from the audience. We ask that you be respectful during the question-and-answer session even if your opinions differ from those being shared. Please dress in business-casual attire.
You may park at The Drake Hotel for $30; valet parking is also provided at the hotel for $45. If you are traveling from the suburbs, limited seating is available on the bus leaving from Aurora. To reserve a seat for the bus, please contact us on our hotline number or by e-mail. For your own directions to the event, please click here.
For questions regarding the event, please call our hotline number at 630-801-0043 or e-mail us at McVolunteers@yahoo.com.
Both Senator John McCain and I look forward to meeting you next Wednesday.
Face to Face with John McCain!
“Hispanic Voices Reception”
Wednesday, June 18, 2008, starting at 7:30 PM
The Drake Room The Drake Hotel 140 E Walton Place Chicago, IL 60611
You are invited to hear John McCain address Illinois Hispanics!
If you have any questions, please contact: Gabriela Wyatt or Julie Brady at McVolunteers@yahoo.com Or call the event hot-line (630) 801-0043 _________________________________________________________
…..Personally as an Original Minuteman who attended the Historic Minuteman Border Watch in 2005 on the Arizona/ Mexico border and returni[n]g 2 more times for a tour of duty along our southern Border, I was especially looking forward to what John Mc Cain would say about illegal immigration.
This was a NO MEDIA ALLOWED EVENT! That is why I am reporting back to you, all of you folks who have fought so hard with your phone calls to Washington D.C. last summer, shutting down the Washington DC switch board and defeating the AMNESTY BILL. I am reporting back to you those of you who work tirelessly in your local cities and towns trying to get some public elected official to care and enforce the rule of law.
I was told by my friend and fellow Hispanic Marianne Davies who is on the board of “You Don’t Speak for Me” that John Mc Cain has been going across the country having “PRIVATE” meetings with Hispanics.
Although the [invitation] said we would be able to ask questions, that “question ” time with John McCain never happened. That was ok with me, I never had the intention of asking a question, I knew exactly the kind of open borders crowd I was with.
John McCain’s favorite words of the evening were Comprehensive Immigration Reform. But he started out first of all saying if he is gonna win the Presidential election he will need the support of the Latino community.
He said ” My state has been enriched by the Hispanic culture in Arizona.”
Then John McCain asked a question “Did you know this? I bet some of you did not know that Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English” …Loud cheers from the audience. (Ok John McCain What is your AZTLAN POINT?)
Then he said “I want to have some straight talk about our relationship with Mexico,our closest neighbor and dearest friend” He talked about the Mexican President fighting the drug cartels.
Then John McCain aid the exact thing I came to hear, he said “I was proud to work for Comprehensive Immigration Reform and If I am elected President I assure you that in 2009 I will ask Congress to pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform.” (The crowd goes wild) “It is a Federal Responsibility” he said and continued ” we also need a temporary guest worker program”
He then told a story about a day laborer who got picked up this morning, worked all day and then never got paid…We have no Federal Policy, we cannot allow this to happen, he said, He repeated I assure you that I will work for Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
John McCain talked about a debate he was in about enforcing the law and he says that the “other side had a lot of “Rhetoric” “you know what I am talking about!” he said…
Yeah, we know what he’s talking about. All too well.
(Image credit: People’s Cube)
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Related: Tipster Edgar M. sends an English translation of an article from Diario Libre touting McCain’s promise to renew his shamnesty push for the “undocumented:”
New York – The Republican candidate for the White House, Senator John McCain, promised that if he wins, a day after he is sworn in as a new president of the United States, he will pressure Congress to enact a law immediately in favor of immigration reform.
The candidate that appears today eight points behind his Democrat rival Barack Obama, did the pronouncement in an interview that he granted to the Hispanic newspaper La Opinion in Los Angeles…
McCain said that it is completely false that [he] has abandoned his original commitment to fight for reform for the more than 12 million undocumented immigrants that reside in the United States and that includes the failed proposal of President Bush, to secure the borders first.
“This reform will be a priority in my administration because it is a convincing federal responsibility”, added the contender of the Republican Party. “We will undertake immigration reform and on the day after my inauguration, I will ask Congress to reconsider it, although I believe that first we have to secure our borders, set in motion a plan for guest workers that works and to focus on the issue of the undocumented in a humane and compassionate way.”
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Related: Ed Morrissey’s liveblogging McCain’s townhall in St. Paul, Minn. Looks like immigration received only the most superficial treatment.
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Update: I’ve suggested before that McCain meet with the anti-illegal immigration Hispanic group, “You Don’t Speak for Me.” Rosanna Pulido is a member of the group. She speaks for me.
Republican presidential candidate John McCain assured Hispanic leaders he would push through Congress legislation to overhaul federal immigration laws if elected, several people who attended a private meeting with the candidate said Thursday.
Democrats questioned why the Arizona senator held the meeting late Wednesday night in Chicago. But supporters who were in the room denied that McCain held the closed-door session out of fear of offending conservatives, many of whom want him to take a harder line on immigration.
Both McCain and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama support giving legal status to millions of illegal immigrants, but neither has made the issue a centerpiece of the campaign. At one time, McCain’s campaign suffered because of his stance on the issue.
“This was not a secret meeting,” said Rafael Rivadeneira, a vice chairman of the Republican National Hispanic Assembly of Illinois, who was among more than 150 Chicago-area Hispanic leaders who attended. “There was nothing he said that they wouldn’t want people to hear.”
Other attendees said they were not so sure.
“He’s one John McCain in front of white Republicans. And he’s a different John McCain in front of Hispanics,” complained Rosanna Pulido, a Hispanic and conservative Republican who attended the meeting.
Pulido, who heads the Illinois Minuteman Project, which advocates for restrictive immigration laws, said she thought McCain was “pandering to the crowd” by emphasizing immigration reform in his speech.
“He’s having his private meetings to rally Hispanics and to tell them what they want to hear,” she said. “I’m outraged that he would reach out to me as a Hispanic but not as a conservative.”
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I am glad you had a good laugh at the joke , John. You should enjoy it; you made it up.
I merely put the recent GOP sellout to the illegal lobby in historical perspective. In no way, did I suggest that Bush’s calumny excused McCain’s. I know you are a regular poster here but I have not taken any particular note of your positions. But if going into full ridicule mode at criticism of Bush’s huge role in the sellout of the GOP is typical, then I know where you are coming from. Glad to meet you, BushBOT.
Bush pandered to illegals. McCain panders to illegals. What’s your ha-ha point again?
I actually believe the opposite.
If McCain wins, he will push amnesty and the Republicans in Congress will be pressured to go along with it. The Dems definitely will. All the RINOs will. That will leave a few conservative Repubs as holdouts.
If Obama wins, he will also try to push amnesty. However, most of the Republicans in Congress will be pressured to go against it. After all, an (R) Congressman voting for a (D) President proposal that most (R)s loudly reject… a little harder for the Repub Congressmen to go along with it.
Sadly, I think we may have a better chance with Obama as President. At least then, most of the Repub Congressmen would have an idea how to vote.
Nothing personal, I just thought that blaming Bush for Mcinsane’s pandering was funny. Kind of like a poster I saw on a local paper in Illinois blaming Bush for the floods. It’s comical to me that they blame him for that too.
Again, nothing personal toward you.
Can we stop this BS already? A vote for a third party is just that… a vote for a third party. If I want to vote for Mickey Mouse for President, IT IS MY VOTE TO CAST! My vote is not your vote, and you have no say over my vote. Grow up and deal with it already!
If you would like me to vote for a particular candidate, then you have to give me a reason to vote that way.
Calling us names and threatening us will only make us more determined not to listen to you.
So cut the crap already!
GMTA!
dominigan,
This thread has been demoted on Michelle’s front page and is fast fading now. But I’d hate for it to die with your very excellent post unacknowledged: I believe that what you said is exactly correct. It is not rhetoric; it is thoughtful analysis.
It may be counter-intuitive but this is the election where conservatism can only be saved by a GOP defeat. Else, if McCain wins, the MSM is ready with their post-election headlines, “The Death of Conservatism.” And it will play out between the congress and the White House exactly as you described it.
Much better for the post-election narrative to be: GOP can not win with alienated base, a message that will not go unheard by GOP survivors in the congress.
dominigan,
Same here.I’m not a political scientist but I also believe we have a better shot at defeating amnesty again if Obama wins.The democrats are the majority party as far as amnesty is concerned.There are a few conservative democrats Brad Ellsworth and Heath Shuler in the House come to mind that are anti-illegal immigration but for the most part the dems support amnesty.
If McCain is elected republicans in congress will feel the need to go along with his amnesty and since the majority of dems will also the bill will most likely pass.
Thank you. I really appreciated your response. I am so tired of being treated like a lemming. I’m done with it.
Dominigan & Ignatius Reilly 296/298/300, I dearly hope you are right. If not…we’re beyond screwed. As someone so eloquently put it a few weeks ago, we are so far beyond screwed, it would take the light from screwed one million years just to reach screwed…
Maybe we should start calling ourselves the “phoenix conservatives“… we will rise from our ashes…
At this point, I think we’re already screwed. But we have to start looking beyond the current election. We have lost our way, and no one person will be our party savior. We must return to our ideals.
People will die, but worthy ideals live forever.
Phoenix Conservatives…I like it! I like it a lot. (If anyone confuses us with McCainiacs, we’ll just have to silence them.)
i like it so far…count me in
i believe this quote works too for this…dunno why, but i like it anyway
“I too shall be brought low by death, but until then…let me win glory”
bonus points (read:leadership position) for first person to name the source. Difficulty: you have to be someone i dont want to throw out of a window, on fire….
Michelle Malkins’ blog was once one of the finest conservative blogs online… an island of intelligent discussion in the midst of a world gone mad.
Clearly, those days are over.
This place has sadly become little more than a collection of rabid, ultra-conservative purist nuts and bullies who are not even grounded in reality. People who seem to be completely incapable of reason, who are so unable to see anything past the 2012 election that they would put our Nation in the hands of a marxist, terror-loving government and put a first term junior senator who has NO foreign policy experience whatsoever in the most powerful seat in the world.
To those who would act in a way that would either directly or indirectly put this man into office, I have to ask… are you @#$# insane?
The far right has gone so far off the edge that they now hold hands with the far left, as far as I’m concerned.
America is going right down the crapper, and arrogant right-wing bigots like many on this thread are more than happy to help with the flushing.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a stubborn, willfully ignorant, blinkered group of people in all of the years that I’ve been a Republican and a blogger. Some of the people here couldn’t get a clue if they were paid to get one.
When I read through threads like this one, the only thing that gives me any hope at all is knowing that the bullies, bigots, haters and howlers here are NOT the Republican party base. I thank God every day that there are still Republicans out there who have their priorities straight, and don’t have their heads up their asses.
I can only hope and pray in the months leading up to the election that the more intelligent conservatives and moderates in the Republican party and our independent friends who support John Mccain are able to counteract the stupidity of the rabid right.
And I also have to say, that the anti-hispanic, anti-Mexican bigotry on this thread makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. After spending some time reading through hate-filled threads like this one, I actually find myself in agreement with Geraldo Rivera.
As for our hostess, she is not above reproach and I refuse to pander to her. She is a professional journalist who is responsible for every single word that the writes, and she knows exactly what she is doing. She is neither in need of defending, nor deserving of it… her detrimental behavior is fracturing the Republican party. She knows it, and she doesn’t care.
My opinion and that of many others is that Ms. Malkins’ hatred of John McCain has seriously damaged her reputation. Her posts are stubbornly irrational to the point of nonsensical, full of childish manipulation and temper tantrums, and her behavior becomes more and more petty and less and less professional as the days pass.
But she’s still got her hatred for McCain to prop her up.
I hope that its’ enough for her.
On June 20th, 2008 at 6:35 am, dj said:
So am I.
“her detrimental behavior is fracturing the Republican party” – Irish Rose.
Oh, so McCain has nothing to do with it, it’s all Michelle Malkin’s fault now? Get a grip.
Your threats and verbal abuse only firms my resolve.
I will NOT vote for someone who is not fit to be president – that includes Obama AND McCain.
READ MY LIPS: I am not voting Obama. Because I’m not voting McCain doesn’t mean I’m voting Obama. You must be as intelligent as a tree stump not to understand that. Out of all the comments on this thread, yours numbers in the most abusive froth-spattered ranting of them. Ironic how somehow you think yourself morally superior to everyone though – I thought that was reserved specifically for the extreme left.
Evidently, the concept of the closed-door meeting is only considered to be “deceptive” if the initiator is someone who is deemed “suspect” by the Evangelical right.
No problem at all, if the mega-stars of the Evangelical right do it themselves.
Just sayin’.
Hey Irish Rose, DLTDHYOTWO. Go get your McInsane brownie points on another site. I’m writing in Newt and I’m going to sleep well. BTY, Obambi is leading in a newsweek poll by 15 points. And that’s before Michelle posted this.
And HOw dare you call us bigots for respecting the laws and asking others to do the same? I hate drug dealers too, so does that make me an Ultra Biggot?
On June 20th, 2008 at 6:39 pm, nyc123me said:
I’m crushed.
Little more salt for your wound, Irish Rose. McInsane is not even carrying Arizona. What’s that tell you about the guy?
On June 20th, 2008 at 6:49 pm, John Ansell said:
Yes, I’m sure you will.
Ignorance is such bliss.
/eyeroll
I will still stand by my previous questions. Obama and Hilliary have gotten quite adept at throwing their people “under the bus”, regardless of whether they do it right or left handed. What will we really accomplish by throwing John under our nicely polished/spit shined celebrity coach? I still ask, how will a President Obama be better than a flawed, but still farther right than Obama, Pres John McCain? Pres Obama will mean the dems control 3 branches of govt. With Pres John, at least still only two. As someone said in recent years of someone else on the left, Obama’s so far left, he’s in oncoming traffic. He and his super left/liberal ideas will be downright dangerous. I simply cannot believe that John McCain is THAT bad. Seriously flawed, yes, but no where near Obama.
heh.. we’re not throwing McCain under the bus, and if you have to use that analogy, then he’s already thrown us under the bus and we’re just taking him with us.
So Irish Rose I have a question for you. Without using Obama as a reason, I want to know why you think McCain should be president. No, really.
You should know.
Now that’s funny.
I suppose people here can rant at me all they like for my position, it’s a free country (until November 2008), and we’re all members here.
But after months of observing people whose minds are stubbornly and permanantly nailed shut here at MM, I can only come up with one word to explain the prevailing attitude in this place: absurd.
Well Irish Rose, you have your vote and I have my vote. I’m voting for a conservative Republican. You’re voting for a liberal. You’re not crazy or absurd. I’m not going down that route but if you look honestly at Mcamnesty, who’s the stuborn one?
Having said that, he’s the one that needs to win my vote over and he’s going in the wrong direction. Should he come around and convince us he’s not going to allow amnesty, he’s open to drilling in ANWR, then maybe he can get my vote back.
We’re going to find out June 30th or July 1st which direction he’ll take.
On June 20th, 2008 at 7:14 pm, nyc123me said:
Sorry, I’m not playing this game with you.
You comment on all of the same threads that I do, nyc123me, and you have for months now. You know exactly why I believe that Mr. McCain is our best candidate for the office of POTUS.
If you don’t, then you’re either dumb as a doornail or you haven’t been paying attention.
McInsane is losing voters faster than ever before. He just lost 4 more and campaign donations.
On June 20th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, Floyd R. Turbo said:
Sadly, that kind of logic doesn’t work here.
And it’s why I maintain that the prevailing attitude in this place is “absurd”.
Either way, obama or McGrandpa, the Democrats will contorl all 3 branches.
No dispute, writing in Newt.
I wonder how many here would whine about deception if John McCain were to schedule a similar series of closed-door meetings with Evangelical Christians?
Irish Rose,
It has been evident that your mackerel-snapping nose has been out of joint ever since MM dared to challenge the pope and your holy roman church for sticking its nose into American politics. So now, you are bashing other divisions of Christianity. Undoubtedly, you imagine some saint is protecting you. You seem so unhappy here. Maybe you should reflect on your online options. (btw, I don’t shill for the evangelicals or any other particular division of the Christian faithful. I just think that right now, your sect has a lot to answer for and I’d hate for you to get the idea that Mary’s skirts will shield you from the hiding that you deserve.)
On June 20th, 2008 at 9:07 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:
Ah, a closet Catholic-hater comes out to play!
Has it ever occured to you that there are actually people of Irish descent who aren’t Catholics?
I thought not.
I am only judging from the snit-fit you had in defense of the pope’s butting into immigration policy along with all the rest of your papist-friendly portfolio.
Are you denying the holy church of rome, my child?
C’mon guys (and gals). We’re supposed to be on the same side of the isle here. We’re biting and devouring one another and I’m sure the other side of the isle is eating it up. Yes, we have our firm opinions. We’re Americans with freedom to speak our minds. But let’s keep our focus on the dems and their huge deficiencies. We’re making ourselves a laughing stock to the lefts who I’m sure are enjoying this “barbecue” of each other. We seem to actually be in agreement that we disagree. So…let’s take a deep breath and step back. We need to listen to ourselves. Instead of fighting the left, we’re fighting each other.
On June 20th, 2008 at 9:39 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:
My religious persuasion is none of your damned business.
Ahhh, you are the artful dodger, Rose. Go in peace, my child.
Exactly, and using the same argument, you also know very well what our reasons are for not voting McCain, so why bother commenting in the first place? You just lost an argument against yourself. Grats.
Why vote for McCain
1: Winning the war
2: Making the tax cuts permanent and lowering the cap gains rate
3: Stopping the earmark spendfest
4: Keeping the Marxist Obama out
5: Nuclear energy and drilling for oil
6: Sticking it in the MSM’s and all the moonbat group’s face once again
There that is six good reasons to vote for McCain. I understand the animosity to immigration reform that some are calling amnesty and wide open borders but don’t you understand that Obama will grant automatic citizenship with free healthcare and college tuition and pay for it with your hard earned money!
We do need some form of immigration reform because as it is right now it doesn’t work. I am NOT for amnesty but a humane workable solution to a very real problem and that involves securing the border first and foremost. I understand that many here hate McCain for trying to do that but just imagine how many illegals would pour in under an Obama administration and from Islamic countries seeking “asylum”.
We have not been able to erase the problems caused by Johnson and Carter so how could we erase the destruction a true marxist like Obama would do to our armed forces and economy? Obama has said he would kill missile defense and severely slash military programs in order to pay for all his socialist programs.
McCain may not be a “pure” conservative but neither was Reagan and he is still a farsight better than the gun grabbing socialist America hating marxist Obama.
In your little world, maybe.
Oh I can’t post during the day because I actually run my own business and actually have to work instead of spending my time typing at a blog.
On June 20th, 2008 at 10:18 pm, goatsbarnyard said:
Well stated, and I concur.
On June 20th, 2008 at 10:20 pm, goatsbarnyard said:
A fellow entrepeneur! High five!
/small business owners, unite!
Those that wish to sit on their hands or vote third party as a protest vote need to consider the consequences of that if Obama wins as a result. If you sit on your hands that is your right to do so but then you lose the right to complain about the policies that an Obama administration would enact and have any credibilty. I am not a fan of some of McCain’s policies and I did not vote for him in the primaries, I am a Romney fan, but enough people did to make him the GOP nominee. I was not happy then and am not now but he is all we have standing between us and a socialist republic of America.
Thanks Irish Rose, allies on this are few and far between here.
I guess those anti-McCain folks that post on their boss’s time had to go home. It seems when Goat Gruff shows up trolls run away.
Those that wish to support McCain have every right to do so and those of us who do not suppot McCain have that right.
I recall last years humane solution to the immigration problem was over 700 pgs of unworkable crap.Z visa which was indefinitly re-newable,24hr background checks,virtual fence that now has been proven to not work and really just a farce.Gang members being allowed to stay if they renounce membership in the gang, also in the fine print of this plan was border security shall be subject to funding.That’s easy enough pass the bill grant the amnesty gut the funding.The list goes on and on.
Being Catholic I have been very critical of the churches stand on this issue.It seems to me they are looking to put people in the pews and expand the flock and the collection plate since most illegal immigrants are of the Catholic faith.
As I stated if people want to vote for McCain or send his campaign contributions go for it but it’s the right of many of us who support border security to not do like wise or be called names because we do not wish to support this man.
I think McCain’s going to lose and it’s not even going to be close.We shall see.
Goatish, we already have workable immigration laws, but the problem is that they are not enforced. Had they been enforced all along, there would not be an illegal alien issue now, imho.
I have to take exception to your outrageous claim of who has and who has not the right to complain about the government should Obama get the job. Stating that one isn’t allowed to complain about Obama because one sat on one’s hands (ie” voting for anyone else but McCain is a vote for Obama) is ridiculous. Who do you think you are to state who has a ‘right to complain’? The POTUS?
Perhaps you and Irish can find a room and continue telling each other how awesome you each are and how everyone else are morons.
PTN, yes that is your right to be a narrow minded single issue person so I expect you to be happy when Obama is your socialist lord and master. I do NOT support amnesty and that is exactly what you will get under Obama and your tax dollars will pay for it. Once Obama grants automatic citizenship to all those illegals and gives felons the right to vote along with reinstating the fairness doctrine you can kiss any chance for conservatives good bye for good.
How will things be any different if McCain does these things?
Maybe it’s because you smell? Too much time in your barnyard will do that.
Because McCain does not offer automatic citizenship to illegals only a path to legal residence, different things. He does not support giving felons the right to vote and is against the fairness doctrine.
Yep you are classy flenser, stay that way.
You can’t even post an arguement that isn’t soaked in more lies than a moveon moonbat would post concerning McCain.
Goats head
You post here non-stop all day long. I guess you’re getting paid to post here. There are 350 comments here, and 45 of them are yours.
Can you name one of these “lies”, goat head?
So Flenser tell me, how would letting the marxist Obama come into power help the conservative movement?
Simple you say McCain and Obama are the same when clearly they are not. That is a lie.
Lie. he grants them all legal residence, automatically. And he puts them on a path to citizenship, which is all Obama can do.
What makes you think that he’s against the fairness doctrine? We already know that he’s opposed to free speech (CFR) and that he hates conservative talk radio. If the Dem Congress passes the fairness doctrine, McCain signs it.
So, goat, tell me: How will electing the socialist McCain into power, with conservative votes, help the conservative movement?
Obama wants to surrender to the jihadis , McCain wants to beat them. McCain is against giving them habeus rights Obama is for sparing Osama. Obama wants to reverse the Bush tax cuts and raise the taxes more and is a porker , McCain wants to make the tax cuts permanent and is a notorious anti-porker. So moonbat tell me how Obama will be good for the country?
A guy who calls himself “goatsbarnyard”, and who lives down to his name, is imputing a lack of class to me!
I will be glad to answer your question once you have answered mine, moonbat.
Yep being a barnyard critter lets me get in the mud and wrestle with moonbat pigs like yourself
Oh, balls. That matter is long over. You’re fighting the last war.
Are those the same tax cuts which he blasted as “tax cuts for the rich” when he voted against them?
And McMoron is not an anti-porker. He’s against earmarks. Big difference.
He supports the amnesty and global warming bills that will cost us trillions of dollars. He’s not an anti-porker, he’s the king of the pigs.
Why should conservatives like me vote for McCain, mainly to keep my taxes down as a small business man, a desire to win the war and to keep a blatant far left marxist out of the Oval Office.
Oh No!
The barn animal has awoken.
It will be another night of rants and thumping on behalf of Juan MacAmnesty.
You dare not disagree, or else, you are a toad, a brick, haters, idiots,….
Most likey, the animal is working night shift, and goofing on the employer’s time.
Another lie, goatsbreath. You won’t answer my question, gladly or otherwise.
yada yada yada.
So what’s your real reason?
Earmarks and pork are the same thing moonbat. Obama will do far worse damage if he is elected so how do you propose to reverse that once he gives automatic citizenship to all those illegals and totally kneecaps the economy with even more far reaching global warming nonsense than McCain?
“You dare not disagree, or else, you are a toad, a brick, haters, idiots,…”
Apparently we’re moonbats now too. Who knew?
Yoe are losing this arguement Flenser, you sound like a clueless moonbat with no grasp of what the debate is about. You hate illegal innigrants and that is all that matters to you. Well, Obama will be far worse so how will conservatives reverse all the damage he does through supra taxation and hyper regulation of every sector of the economy. McCain is at least anti tax and spend and supports free markets.
Your words only prove me correct. I have offered reasons to support McCain and reasons to oppose Obama. I have been called all sorts of things so I will return fire since I live in a barnyard and don’t mind mud and manure.
Goat you’re a f*ing idiot. Your same questions have been answered over and over, and then you – like a complete d*ckhead – ignore answers and ask them again, and if nobody answers your stupidity within 10 seconds you call them all moonbats and declare yourself the king of everything. You’re a friggin idiot, just stfu and leave you troll. Almost everyone disagrees with you. No amount of your obnoxious crap will change that, so f*ck off already.
ahhh that felt so much better.
Well, that depends. “Earmarks” has a specific legal meaning. “Pork” is a slang term, which can mean whatever people think it means.
Regardless, opposing earmarks has noting to do with saving the tax payers money or with smaller government. Earmarks only affect how maney is spent, not whether it is spent. When that infamous” Bridge To Nowhere” was defeated, that money was spent on a similar construction project in Alaska anyway.
Getting rid of earmarks has nothing to do with shrinking government. From the standpoint of the taxpayer, it’s meaningless.
You’re giving McCain an awful lot of credit he does not deserve. One of the candidates has been working his tail off over the last eight years to pass Ted Kennedy’s immigration bill and Joe Liebermans global warming bill. Can you guess which one it was?
You’re insane if you think McCain will be any better on these subjects then Obama is. If anything he’ll be worse.
Obama wants to lose the war and appease Iran and has all sorts of terrorist sympathizers supporting him including Code Pinkos. McCain wants to win the war and destroy the Islamo-fascists. Obama is all for raising the tax rates for everything McCain does not. So none of you have explained how Obama would be good for America when we haven’t yet fixed the problems from the first Carter era and Obama will just be the second. I don’t like McCain but he is all we have standing between us and Obama. I di not vote for him in the primaries but enough idiots did to get us where we are like it or not.
I’m not about to take political advice from a person who admits to such things.
Why don’t you stop butting everything in sight and crapping all over the place, and try to find a nice female goat to keep you company?
I do Not support McCain because I want to, it is because conservatives could not get their act together and defeat him in the primaries so I am stuck with him or Obama, Barr is a sure loser. Look guys I don’t like it but that is my choice, a moderate republican or a far left socialist ideolgue in Obama.
Goat you dont get it – for us it’s not just Obama OR McCain. It’s Obama or McCain or a write-in or don’t vote for POTUS but vote for conservative support crew (so to speak). For you it seems to be ‘vote McCain or you’re a moonbat troll idiot etc etc etc’. That is your stance, we are well aware of it. That is not our stance, you should be well aware of it by now. There is nothing else to argue about – I don’t think anyone here disagrees that Obama would be very very bad for the USA, so stop trying to twist it any other way than what it is. There is nothing else to argue. period.
Look, sombody has to break this you. The war’s a done deal. The legal agreement by which we are in Iraq run out in December, and the Iraqi’s seem to want us to leave, not stay around to fight Iran.
All the Republicans who have invested their entire political lives into defeating Islamofascism need to find new things to do. It’s over. Get over it.
Since we’re not supporting Obama we don’t have explain that. We just have to explain why McCain sucks and we’re not supporting him either.
Yep for conservatives y’all sure are classy and real cute. I have had more civil arguements with moonbat trolls on my own site.
McCain is not a “moderate Republican”. He’s to the left of the moderate Dems. He has spent the last several years co-sponsoring far left legislation with far left Democratic senators.
McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, and McCain-Kennedy are the most notable examples, but there are others.
He is not a “moderate”. He’s a lefty.
Well if you are not voting for McCain then you are supporting Obama and your protest vote will mean zilch nada squat. Everything you hate about McCain will happen under Obama and far more that is even worse so don’t complain when that comes to be.
AAnd Obama is to the far left of the left so how will having him get elected help our cause?
goat brain, this was your very first comment on this thread.
Don’t whine to me that people here don’t treat you with the respect you imagine you deserve. It takes some effort to get banned from this site, but I have a feeling you’ll manage it. You are far and away the most obnoxious and rude commenter I’ve ever seen here. At the very least, if you can’t take it, you might want to reconsider dishing it out.
Fred Thompson cowrote Feingold, McCain took his name off the cap and trade bill because it went to far and the Dems inserted the moronic crap into the immigration bill not McCain, I don’t like any of those but just wait till Obama and a moonbat dominated congress enact.
You keep saying that, but you never show it to be true.
Left wing policies are unpopular. That’s why Bush is unpopular right now.
Either McCain or Obama will get elected, and enact left wing polcies, and become unpopular.
I don’t care about McCain becoming unpopular except that it will drag down the entire GOP, including lots of good conservatives.
Obnoxious and rude besides what y’all say about McCain of course. I would not expect such hate filled rhetoric from a conservative site. I have seen Kos smears against McCain posted on this thread like the C^^t rumor. I am a partisan Republican that supports our nomonee and defends against blatant lies posted about him.
Goat you retard – “Well if you are not voting for McCain then you are supporting Obama” same ridiculous argument, which has been refuted over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. ENOUGH ALREADY! It’s a load of crap no matter how many times you say it, you argument is completely circular – every time you lose, you just go back to the beginning again. What kind of retarded moonbat are you? Here, I’ll srat doing it back to you:
GOATSBARNYARD IS A TRAITOR TO CONSERVATISM AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE HE BACKS A RINO AND ACCUSES ANY TRUE CONSERVATIVE WHO DON’T AGREE WITH HIM OF BEING A MOONBAT.
Shall I say it again?
GOATSBARNYARD IS A TRAITOR TO CONSERVATISM AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE HE BACKS A RINO AND ACCUSES ANY TRUE CONSERVATIVE WHO DON’T AGREE WITH HIM OF BEING A MOONBAT.
Maybe once more?
GOATSBARNYARD IS A TRAITOR TO CONSERVATISM AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE HE BACKS A RINO AND ACCUSES ANY TRUE CONSERVATIVE WHO DON’T AGREE WITH HIM OF BEING A MOONBAT.
There, it must be true, I’ve said it so many times.
You’re a moron Goat.
What has that got to do with anything? You’re just rambling.
He said that he supported the bill which you think “went too far”. Does that bother you?
No, McMoron inserted the moronic crap into the immigration bill. McMoron is the moron who keeps insisting that in order to get our corrupt government to obey the law, we need to bribe them by allowing them to have their precious amnesty.
I’m not a partisan Republican. I’m a partisan conservative. And I don’t support liberals, even, or especially, if they have the letter R after their name.
I am a bid fan of Michelle and don’t try to pollute her site with blatant lies about our GOP nominee. I said y’all sound like Obama tolls because you do, I get the same crap in my comment section from Obama supporters all the time so give me that crap or I will hand it right back.
Probably not worth arguing with this retarded democrat any longer Flenser, because every time you show Goat to be full of it, he ignores it and goes back to his first argument again, and around and around he goes.
Goatsbarnyard is clearly a democrat troll.
Oh so cute, I love it when “conservative” fakes get get their panties all in a wad and show their true blue colors. So who are you going to support, Barr, Paul, or some other loser?