His name was Axel Casian

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 20, 2008 09:09 AM

The two-year-old boy who was beaten beyond recognition and murdered by his father on a rural road as that crowd of paralyzed bystanders stood and watched has a name.

His name was Axel Casian.

Don’t forget it.

Here are the results of his preliminary autopsy:

Blunt force trauma to the head and face resulting in multiple skull fractures contributed to the death of the 2-year-old boy killed by his father on a dark country road Saturday.

Preliminary autopsy results uncovered several cranial breaks, but the official cause of death won’t be known until toxicology tests are complete, which could take up to four weeks, the Stanislaus County coroner’s office said Thursday.

“Nothing definitive can be said until (the toxicology results) come back to make sure nothing was in the baby’s system,” said Stanislaus County sheriff’s deputy Royjindar Singh.

The skull fractures are “one of the causes of death, if not the cause of death,” he said.

Sergio Casian Aguiar, 27, slammed, punched, kicked and stomped his child to death, until Modesto police officer Jerry Ramar, dropped on the scene by helicopter, killed him with a single gunshot to the head, authorities said.

DNA test results released Thursday confirmed the father-son relationship. The baby’s name, authorities said, was Axel.

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  1. #1
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:10 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    R.I.P., dear one. You are safe from harm now.

  2. #2
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:17 am, PJ said:

    Just doing things Americans won’t do.

    P.S. to Sergio Casian Aguiar: count youself lucky that you are in CA and not in VA where you would have a needle stuck in your arm very quickly. There is a spot in Hell reserved for you, you @#$%^&*!!

  3. #3
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:18 am, bluedog said:

    I’m watching my own two-year-old color right now, and I can’t imagine what that little boy went through. God bless little Axel.

  4. #4
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:22 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    I have to ask myself a question, “Would I have been able to stop this guy myself if I had a makeshift weapon.”

    Society has become paralyzed. In situations where you have 3 milliseconds to react you have to ask yourself if the ACLU or the Feds are going to bring civil charges against you.

    In a sane society I believe the civilian men would have been able to stomp this man’s skull in sooner before the cops got there.

  5. #5
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:23 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    PJ,
    Aguiar was shot dead by a police officer who arrived on the scene and witnessed this barbaric act.

  6. #6
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:26 am, abstractmind said:

    30,

    And its a good thing too.
    I’m sure whatever was waiting for this scum on the other side, and hopefully awaits the weaklings that watched, is having a field day with him now.

  7. #7
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:28 am, khan said:

    Just doing things Americans won’t do.

    Are you referring to the murderer or to the “helpless” bystanders?

  8. #8
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:28 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    abstractmind,
    Hear, hear.

  9. #9
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:35 am, Harris said:

    After reading this story the other day I briefly looked throughout my vehicle just to see if I had something in there that could be used to stop someone from stomping a child to death.

    3 ft steel ‘cheater’ bar
    2 lb framing hammer
    various lengths of heavy chain
    fire extinguisher
    a box of ratchets, sockets, wrenches, etc. that could be thrown

    That’s on top of my trusty pistol. I can’t wrap my mind around this one and this story makes me terribly upset.

    No wonder I’m so angry at God all the time.

  10. #10
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:36 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Harris,
    I’ll redirect your anger to where it should be placed - Sergio Casian Aguiar.

  11. #11
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:36 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:35 am, Harris said:

    Booyah.

    You did forget one thing that might also help.

    3 ft steel ‘cheater’ bar
    2 lb framing hammer
    various lengths of heavy chain
    fire extinguisher
    a box of ratchets, sockets, wrenches, etc. that could be thrown

    Bare Hands.

    good times otherwise

  12. #12
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:37 am, mojoe said:

    Not being a religious person, and a questioner of “what comes next”, it’s times like this that I hope there is a Hell with all the horrors described. And that Sergio spends an eternity being pummeled by things that would make our minds explode.

    I don’t like wishing that on anybody, but this P.O.S. deserves it. And more.

  13. #13
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:37 am, tre said:

    Matthew 19:14 (New International Version)
    14Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

    Mark 10:14 (New International Version)
    14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

    Luke 18:16 (New International Version)
    16But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

    You are safe in the arms of Jesus, now, little Axel Casian.

  14. #14
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:39 am, Harris said:

    I can direct my own feelings, thank you.

  15. #15
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:43 am, Harris said:

    See, that’s what I don’t get, all of this ’safe in the arms of Jesus’ stuff.

    Where was Jesus Saturday night? Where was God when this monster stomped the life out of this child?

    Was he watching? Was he powerless to stop it? It a child’s broken skull part of ‘His Plan’? I know I am on thin ice, and I don’t mean to belittle someone’s beliefs, but this is ALWAYS the feeling I have when children get killed.

  16. #16
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:43 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    However misplaced they are, you are correct, you can.

  17. #17
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:44 am, WarEagle82 said:

    I believe God has a special place in Hell for those who harm children.

    Had I been there I am pretty sure Mr. Casian would have received a beating similar to the one poor Axel experienced.

    Does anybody know anything about his immigration status? Is this another case of illegal immigrants murdering children that Amerians won’t?

  18. #18
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:46 am, Boomer said:

    Our prayers for little Axel. I was talking to my youngest brother in Sacramento yesterday on the phone about this savagery and he was stating that the People’s Republic of California is getting more and more out of control on a daily basis he sees no end in sight.

    Another reason to ensure I always have my .45 tucked nicely into my middle of the back holster when I am out of my yard. If faced with such evil and savagery my only hope is that I have the presence of mind to utilize my training and do what is necessary to protect anyone from this type of harm.

  19. #19
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:46 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:43 am, Harris said:

    As odd as it is to say, in this case…Amen brother.

  20. #20
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:49 am, walterc said:

    “Nothing definitive can be said until (the toxicology results) come back to make sure nothing was in the baby’s system,” said Stanislaus County sheriff’s deputy Royjindar Singh.

    Do the authorities think maybe the baby was drunk? If there was anything in this poor child’s system, it was from the scum that killed him. Cause of death. . .murdered by scum sucking father and paralyzed bystanders.

    Bless you little Axel.

  21. #21
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am, tarpon said:

    And why did they “stand and watch” paralyzed? Is this what men of America have become?

    So we now need toxicology test for “slammed, punched, kicked and stomped his child to death” … I wonder why a citizen didn’t do the deed. Oh yeah that’s right, unarmed sheeple in CA.

  22. #22
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:57 am, Erin_Coda said:

    Whoever it was who said “Bare Hands”– I’m with them. (And don’t tell me I don’t know what I’d do, because I’ve done it many times before.) Forget all the hand-wringing over whether or not the perp “might” have had a gun or knife or whose “job” it was– when the H#LL did we get to the point where an adult would no longer automatically lay down his/her life to protect a child???

  23. #23
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:57 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    See, that’s what I don’t get, all of this ’safe in the arms of Jesus’ stuff.

    Where was Jesus Saturday night?

    Where was God when this monster stomped the life out of this child?

    Was he watching? Was he powerless to stop it? It a child’s broken skull part of ‘His Plan’? I know I am on thin ice, and I don’t mean to belittle someone’s beliefs, but this is ALWAYS the feeling I have when children get killed.

    Harris,
    The truth is bad things happen to good people and vice versa. There are various answers that could be given but permanently settling the issue is impossible as many of the answers beget more questions. However, the inability to answer the questions you posed perfectly does not mean that I cannot offer solutions. This isn’t definitive but here’s what I have:

    A possible reason that God is letting evil occur is so that on the day of judgment, the condemned will have no right to say that their sentence is unjust. God is not stopping people from exercising their free will. Think about this: If someone said that God should stop evil and suffering, then should God then stop all evil and suffering? If God only stopped some of it, then we would still be asking the same question of why it exists. So, if we want God to stop evil and suffering, then He must stop all of it. We have no problem with this when it means stopping a catastrophe, or a murder, or a rape. But what about when someone thinks of something evil? Evil is evil whether it is acted out or not. Hatred and bigotry in someone’s heart is wrong. If it is wrong, and if God is to stop all evil, then He must stop that person from thinking his own thoughts. To do that, God must remove his freedom of thought. Furthermore, which person on the earth has not thought something evil? God would be required, then, to stop all people from exercising their free will. This is something God has chosen not to do. Therefore, we could say that one of the reasons that God permits evil and suffering is because of man’s free will.

    One, ultimately, no one is innocent. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23) and are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:3). There is none innocent. Though this is biblically accurate, it does not satisfy the question emotionally. Why do little babies suffer for things they have not done? I must acknowledge that I do not know. Ultimately, we must trust God who knows the beginning from the end and sees the grand picture. He will have the final word and He will be vindicated.

  24. #24
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:04 am, nlebou said:

    This is exactly why every sane, legal, properly trained citizen should carry a legal weapon. Had myself or my husband witnessed this you can bet your bottom dollar we would have drawn down on that SOB and stopped him quick.

  25. #25
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:04 am, babbledabble said:

    The questions I have to ask are first - why do people like this have children? and second - why is an autopsy necessary when it is painfully obvious how the child died?

  26. #26
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:07 am, JHSII said:

    until Modesto police officer Jerry Ramar, dropped on the scene by helicopter, killed him with a single gunshot to the head, authorities said.

    Good.

    Now there won’t be 30 years of trials and appeals and he won’t become a poster boy for the left like Mumia.

    :evil:

  27. #27
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:09 am, Harris said:

    30,

    There is nothing that brings me comfort about that. The old ‘Mysterious Ways’ bit just doesn’t do it.

  28. #28
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:10 am, Send_Me said:

    Statement of one of the passerbys:
    “We were looking for rocks or boards on the ground, just to knock him out, get him under control. But we couldn’t find anything. We didn’t know if he had a knife or any kind of weapon on him.”

    My question is this: would it matter? I suppose self-preservation is the predominant virtue nowadays vice courage or love. These passerbys should not be “studied” as part of a psychology project, but rather shamed for their unwillingness to act. It’s no wonder liberals hate the military, whose very role is to liberate and keep safe their citizens. These sad creatures have no honor, courage, or love. Pitiful.

  29. #29
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:14 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Harris,
    I began my post by stating that my answers may not suffice. However, that’s all I have to give. I don’t know why God allows evil to persist. There are many biblical explanations that won’t cut the mustard for you… but what I don’t understand is - if the belief is that God doesn’t exist why is the blame continually laid at his feet?

  30. #30
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:18 am, Harris said:

    You’re right. I guess I was just wanting to believe.

    It’s like blaming Santa for not getting many presents.

  31. #31
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:24 am, tre said:

    30 Pieces Of Silver

    I’ve met people around here, too, who blame God when things are bad, but never thank Him when things are good. Who claim they don’t believe in God, but then wonder why does He allow bad things to happen.

    All I can think is, it wasn’t God’s will for that child to die, it was Serigio Aguiar’s will. But, God didn’t make us to be robots, He gave us free will. If He made us to be robots, then Harris, Abstract Mind, et. al. would believe in Him whether you wanted to or not. But, since He did give us free will, we can choose to believe in Him, or not too.

    Or we can choose to beat an innocent child to death, or not.

  32. #32
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:29 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Harris,
    None of my posts were meant to discourage you from believing or even seeking answers. It’s just not something that will occur here on this blog, and on this topic. Perhaps, if you are searching, you’re search should begin elsewhere. I’ll try to help, if I can but so far I’m batting zero.

  33. #33
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:31 am, PaleoMedic said:

    Standing around watching two drunks trade punches is one thing. Watching a monster stomp on a child without doing anything is despicable. All anyone had to do is rush the guy and at the very least try absorbing some of the blows raining down on the child. Once one person acted, many more would have followed.

  34. #34
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:33 am, ttevolla said:

    at 10:04 am, babbledabble said:
    The questions I have to ask are first - why do people like this have children?

    My guess is that these children are nothing more than biological byproducts of their hormone fueled, pheremone sniffing sex. All that matters is the simple pleasure of the sexual intercourse with little to no thought afterwards.

  35. #35
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:36 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Thanks tre and you are absolutely right.

  36. #36
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:41 am, dustoffmom said:

    If possible I am almost more stunned that there were women in the group. Women….mothers…stood there and watched a child beaten to death and did nothing? Did not physically force the men with them to take action? How can this be? Along with many other commenters before me, when my daughter asks me why I have a .38 in my car, I can point to this story. He may well have had a weapon also, but if ever there was a time to see who might be the better shot this was it. But even beyond that, for heaven’s sake, I have fingernails, he has a crotch and I have a foot, my strong thumbs would go nicely in his eyes…..how can they claim they ‘had nothing’ with which to help this poor child. This sad story makes me sick and is going to haunt me for a good while. RIP poor little one. I really wish I had been there to give you the help you needed.

  37. #37
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:49 am, supersean said:

    I just cant get the images of this attack out of my mind and how people did not help the poor boy. I done some research into this event and it looks like there were several times when the raged father stopped his attack and moved away from the boy… HOW COME NO ONE WENT TO GRAB THE POOR BOY???

    My prayers to the mother, the boys family, those in the community and to those who were there that apparently did not do enough. It is hard to lay judgment on this story as the facts are not all known but I just do not understand this story one bit from the attack to the bystanders reactions.

    I hope we use this to support Federal first responder laws that provide specific legal protection to those who intervene in these types of events. In my opinion current laws allow too much room for interpretation and can cause someone to be charged and not found guilty. We should make the law perfectly clear that in this case there shall be no charges filed against those who in the course of saving a life cause bodily harm or death to an attacker

  38. #38
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am, supersean said:

    tre,

    very well said.

  39. #39
    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:49 am, supersean said:

    I believe you and I are in agreement on this, completely.
    I would call into dispute as well the fact that people didn’t intervene because they thought he had a weapon, though the eyewitnesses stated he asked them for a knife (i would believe because he didn’t have one to begin with…)

  40. #40
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:03 am, Blind_Mule said:

    Harris said:
    See, that’s what I don’t get, all of this ’safe in the arms of Jesus’ stuff.

    Where was Jesus Saturday night? Where was God when this monster stomped the life out of this child?

    Was he watching? Was he powerless to stop it? It a child’s broken skull part of ‘His Plan’? I know I am on thin ice, and I don’t mean to belittle someone’s beliefs, but this is ALWAYS the feeling I have when children get killed.

    It’s easy to blame God for such things but this is how the Bible explains your questions, and how I read this, is that God is not in control on earth, it is the domain of satan. Satans time on earth is short and he has the authority to create havock on earth before God takes it back from him and Jesus rules earth for a thousand years.

    Revelation 12:7-12
    7Then a war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels fought back.

    8But it was not strong enough, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.

    9The huge dragon was hurled down. That ancient serpent, called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was hurled down to the earth, along with its angels.

    10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say, “Now the salvation, the power,the kingdom of our God,and the authority of his Messiah have come.For the one who accuses our brothers,who accuses them day and nightin the presence of our God,
    has been thrown out.

    11 Our brothers[b] conquered him by the blood of the lamband by the word of their testimony,for they did not cling to their lives even in the face of death.

    12 So be glad, heavens, and those who live in them!How terrible it is for the earth and the sea,because the Devil has come down to you, filled with rage,knowing that his time is short!”

  41. #41
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:06 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    In strange contrast to the earlier thread, I completely agree with you supersean.

    I for one will not forget the name of Axel Casian.

    It will be cases like this I will bring up when someone asks why I think it is so vital to be prepared mentally and physically for the worst mankind has to offer.

  42. #42
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:08 am, wighttrasch said:

    I am interested if the autopsy will show ‘old’ wounds from previous beatings or broken bones on this child. Then we’ll hear of some social worker or neighbor that knew of this beforehand but the child was another one that ’slipped through the cracks of the social services’. Ah, yes. Keep throwing money at a program that hasn’t worked in 50 years.

  43. #43
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:08 am, abstractmind said:

    *sigh*

    This child’s beating has nothing to do with religion. Is it possible to just leave that alone and actually comment on the story, instead of invoking spirits and fairy tales?

    You can pray until the end of existance, and it changes nothing. This child is still dead, the monster that killed him is still dead (thankfully), and the details are all still the same. This is a tragedy, no matter what you believe.

    Thanks.

  44. #44
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:13 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    Is it possible to just leave that alone and actually comment on the story, instead of invoking spirits and fairy tales?

    Not terribly surprising I guess in these times to see bashing Christianity is in vogue on both sides of the isle.

    You want to believe the Creator of the Universe is a fairy tale that is your major malfunction. I’m not going to rail on you for believing otherwise.

  45. #45
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:15 am, abstractmind said:

    I’m not bashing it, griz. I’m just saying it has nothing to do with the story, isnt necessary, and isnt part of the thread.

    People keep invoking god as if it was part of the story, or as if he wrote the article. We ask people to stay on the topic of the article, i dont see why this is different.

  46. #46
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:17 am, max said:

    I remain unconvinced by the psycho-mumbo-jumbo. Bunch of wimps. Period.

  47. #47
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:17 am, wighttrasch said:

    I was going to warn you, abstractmind, to not equate one’s Christianity with words like ‘fairy tales’, but the hackles were raised before I could post. I agree with your intent of your post, but you editorialized it a bit.

  48. #48
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:21 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    People keep invoking god as if it was part of the story, or as if he wrote the article. We ask people to stay on the topic of the article, i dont see why this is different.

    Well that’s the trouble I guess when talking to folk who believe in God, you can’t really seperate (no matter how hard the ACLU tries) a Christian from his/her faith. And when every story exemplifies and drives home the point that it is a lack of moral character that is eroding this country and world it is very difficult not to point it out and condemn a society that cares not for anything but themselves because they see themselves as the highest order of known intelligent thought. Which is scary in its own right in my opinion.

    But I digress, as I am just adding to the fire you apparently don’t wish to see.

  49. #49
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:23 am, dewaun said:

    You know, it is not often that I feel the need to comment on blog stories… because I feel that, generally, most of what I could add to the story is just emotional and along the same lines as the commentary in the story, already. But this piece of trash, waste of space human (Sergio Casian Aguiar) is absolutely in the right place at this very moment — the grave he should have been in immediately after birth.

    Mark 9:42 “And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.”

    At only 27 years old, this person will one day be judged by God Almighty for brutally murdering an innocent, one of the least among us, one of God’s children.

    It is God’s future justice that quietens the righteous indignation in my own soul. He will pay for this…one day.

  50. #50
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:24 am, Blind_Mule said:

    abstractmind said:
    *sigh*

    This child’s beating has nothing to do with religion. Is it possible to just leave that alone and actually comment on the story, instead of invoking spirits and fairy tales?

    WOW, so you play :smile:

    Abstract, I don’t belittle your beliefs and I really don’t expect you to belittle mine. The fact is you have the right to believe as you will and I have the obligation to respect that.

    I read a couple of people blaming God for standing by and watching, I did not insert God into this thread, it is my duty to defend him.

    nuff said.

    This is a tragedy of humanity, people standing around watching 78 year old man lying in the street after being hit by a car and no one helps him and then a 2 yr old beaten by the hands of his father and by standers do nothing. What the he!! is wrong with society these days?

  51. #51
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:27 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:21 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    Thats fine, but people here have a habit of throwing religion into everything. I don’t believe injecting religion into this really helps anyone involved. its something i politely agree to disagree with folks on here, but…seriously, hearing about it constantly gets old. And i dont bash people about their religion here, and you’ve personally seen me defend religious folks on here before when i feel they are getting the short end of the stick.

    I live a moral, law abiding life and i havent been to a sermon in 13 years. I completely agree that the moral fiber of our country is abysmal sometimes at best, but…am i some immoral monster for not attending a service? Last i checked, this guy beating this kid was wrong and i’d have strangled this monster myself had i been given a shadow of a chance.

    Its not a fire i dont want to see. you’re just stoking the wrong flame. This story is about a child being murdered and spinless cowards watching it happen. its really just that simple.

    And you also have no idea what i believe, so…respectfully, i have to point out that i don’t believe we’re the end all-be all of existance.

    And that, as they say, is that.

  52. #52
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:29 am, Harris said:

    I really don’t believe, even though California has seemingly fell off into the ocean of idiocy, that any jury would have found someone interveneing in this incident guilty. I don’t see it going to trial. I see the person who stopped this attack getting a metal. Maybe I am completely wrong.

    I have been searching for a precedent for this but can’t really find one. Does anyone else have anything?

  53. #53
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:30 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:24 am, Blind_Mule said:

    you’re right, and i’m not trying to peeve people off. if calling it those was off base, then i extend my apologies.

    Summer Solstice always makes me cranky, i guess.

    I do completely agree tho, with the rest of your post. It makes me wonder if the same weaklings that were watching the elderly gentleman in traffic were the same ones watching this child….

    maybe it was because some of us were raised to actually step in….to do good unto those of whom its deserving, if you will ;) Seems like the same thing my parents, and likely alot of our parents, taught us about beind decent citizens and people…isnt in taught anymore.

  54. #54
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:31 am, b4lucy said:

    God doesn’t even enter into this….Evil was on display and a bullet put a stop to it…too late for little Axel, and that is a crying shame..Just plain common sense and simple humanity should have been enough for someone to intervene….they didn’t…and that is a crying shame…Now…Now, may God enter into this and tend to little Axel…and we move on….until such time as we need tending to…and may each of us be as deserving as little Axel….that’s what we should be tending to…

  55. #55
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:33 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    Fair enough abstract.

    Have you ever taken classes in Kajukenbo? As much as I love the quick and to the point lethal strikes I picked up in the infantry I particularly like this style and it is great for self-defense along with a CCP.

  56. #56
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:34 am, shooter said:

    10:18 am, Harris said:
    You’re right. I guess I was just wanting to believe.

    Wow, good on you.

    IF everything was ‘good’ with no evil, we would not know it, as there would be no bad or anything ‘less than good’ to compare the good against.
    We would be automatons with a very monotonous day to day existence.

    Thanks God for our free will and please give me the strength to intervene if I ever witness anything like this story of evil.

    Thanks 30 for your efforts.

  57. #57
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:36 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:33 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    i’ve heard of it in passing, but dont know anything specific about it more than that…i’ll check the link out and go from there.

    Nice to see someone else has martial arts backgrounds :)

  58. #58
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:38 am, Harris said:

    I see your Kajukenbo and raise you a crow-bar from K-mart.

    One thing about it though:
    Yeah, people watched a horrible incident. Luckily, others are still appalled and disturbed by their lack of action. When we get to the point where we as a people say, “I wouldn’t have stepped in either,” is when we are really doomed.

    Let’s never let anything as cowardly and wrong be acceptable in America.

  59. #59
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:38 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Thanks shooter.

  60. #60
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:41 am, StanW said:

    For little Axel Casian, I wish the peace and love he was denied in this world.

    For his pathetic father, I wish the punishment and judgement he deserves for his barbaric and cruel act.

    For the people that stood by and let this happen, I wish for them to see this child beaten to death and hear his screams every night in their dreams. I wish for them no peace, no rest, and no sleep again in their lives ever; and that they go to their graves knowing that a child was slowly and painfully beaten to death and they cowardly stood by and did NOTHING!

  61. #61
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:44 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Harris,
    Please don’t take a look at the trackback. People were decrying that we shouldn’t say what we would do in this situation and get this, that we should have sympathy for the bystanders…that little gem came from Rusty, our trusted friend.

  62. #62
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:49 am, Harris said:

    No, I read the article the other day, when the police were saying that the bystanderrs could have done nothing, plius I read all of the comments on this site. I think those remarks by the police and psychologists are just comments made to help the do-nothings sleep at night. Everyone I have talked to has the same response, “How could they remain idle?”

  63. #63
    On June 20th, 2008 at 11:55 am, DiamondMair said:

    My only hope is that the first blow rendered Axel unconscious, so that he was unaware of the rest of the brutality inflicted on him ………………..

    Semper Fi’
    DM

  64. #64
    On June 20th, 2008 at 12:31 pm, srhoades said:

    Sergio Casian Aguiar, 27, slammed, punched, kicked and stomped his child to death, until Modesto police officer Jerry Ramar, dropped on the scene by helicopter, killed him with a single gunshot to the head, authorities said.

    Bravo Officer Ramar.

  65. #65
    On June 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, Lucius Vorenus said:

    Sergio Casian Aguiar, 27, slammed, punched, kicked and stomped his child to death, until Modesto police officer Jerry Ramar, dropped on the scene by helicopter, killed him with a single gunshot to the head, authorities said.

    Does anyone have any details on the headshot?

    Rifle or hand gun? Calibre? Distance? Angle?

    When I first heard about this story, I had assumed that “Jerry Ramar” was a beat cop with a handgun, but with this new info about the helicopter, I’m wondering if maybe “Ramar” was a SWAT team sniper with a scoped rifle.

  66. #66
    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, mistressjustice said:

    Abstract:

    We have the exact same feelings on this issue. It’s complicated, but people deal with horrors in their own way. For some, they lean more on their God(s). I retreat to my religion(movies, books, and especially film). Life can sometimes be extremely confusing and challenging, and we all cope as best as we can in our own ways.

    I’d like to think, I would have saved the child. It’s impossible to say unless you’re in the situation, but based on my life experiences, I’d like to say I would have helped. Who knows for sure. The bystanders will carry this burden for the rest of their lives.

    NOTHING pains, or angers me more than child abuse. I’m not proud of this statement, but I hope Sergio is raped and tortured every day in jail until he decides to kill himself. He’s entitled to a fair and vigorous defense and mitigation, but I hope the boys behind bars, take care of him with unfathonable brutality. I’m not proud, but that’s the way if feel.

  67. #67
    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:02 pm, mistressjustice said:

    movies, music

  68. #68
    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, IndyRich said:

    srhoades,
    I agree that the world is a better place without Sergio.

    Unfortunately, a slug to the head means that Sergio didn’t even know it happened. I sould’ve preferred a couple of shots to the neck or chest so he sould’ve suffered for a minute or two - all the time knowing his life was about to end.

  69. #69
    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:23 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
    PJ, MJ,
    Aguiar was shot dead by a police officer who arrived on the scene and witnessed this barbaric act.

  70. #70
    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Sergio Casian Aguiar, 27, slammed, punched, kicked and stomped his child to death, until Modesto police officer Jerry Ramar, dropped on the scene by helicopter, killed him with a single gunshot to the head, authorities said.

    Too damn bad it took that long. Being Kalifornia I am sure no one had a gun. Did they have a cane? Tire iron? Fist, feet, teeth, rocks on the ground?

    Harris said
    those remarks by the police and psychologists are just comments made to help the do-nothings sleep at night

    Sadly that is how our great nation is training its people. Call 9-1-1 and stand around with you finger up your butt. We see more than a few cases where good citizens intervenes is an assault or such and the police response is usually: ‘Thanks, but it better to call 9-1-1 and let the professionals handle it’. So I once asked a young policeman about it. It seems to be standard boiler plate so they can’t be accused of encouraging ‘vigilantism’.

    Perhaps I am just a left over old redneck and neanderthal but I was NOT raised that way. God did not make me big and strong to stand around to watch the weak getting beaten. Now I am old and not as strong. But I do carry a pistol and a cane. That cane is made of rosewood and has a silver handle. It is good for bannishing vampires and taking out the kidney of a thug.

    And Sergio Casian Aguiar certainly understands Hell Fire. Let the ACLU go to Hell and plead his case. May God take care of Axel Casian and DAMN Kalifornia for protecting every form of vulgarity and filth but will not let their citizens defend themselves. And that goes for Herr Arnold Schwarzenegger Reich Fuhrer of Kalifornia. He supports NOT letting the people carry yet neither he nor his police were they to stop this murder. And shame on the people of Kaifornia for letting it happen.

    Now I need a deep breath and calm down. But DAMN this.

  71. #71
    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:22 pm, mistressjustice said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:23 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
    PJ, MJ,
    Aguiar was shot dead by a police officer who arrived on the scene and witnessed this barbaric act.

    You are so right, my apologies, and my wishful thinking made me forget the facts. A bullet to the had was too good for Sergio.

  72. #72
    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, tre said:

    #66 Mistressjustice

    Sergio was shot dead by a policeman. So he’s rotting in hell now.

    For once, though, you and I finally agree on something. I’d like to say, too, that I would have rescued that child.

    #68 IndyRich

    God, forgive me for feeling this way, but I think feet-first through a wood chipper would be better.

  73. #73
    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:22 pm, mistressjustice said:
    On June 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:23 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
    PJ, MJ,
    Aguiar was shot dead by a police officer who arrived on the scene and witnessed this barbaric act.
    You are so right, my apologies, and my wishful thinking made me forget the facts. A bullet to the had was too good for Sergio.

    Agreed!

  74. #74
    On June 20th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, abstractmind said:

    MJ,

    Yeah, i think you and I agree on this one 100%.

    Good Call.

  75. #75
    On June 20th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, Scooter36 said:

    its God’s fault. he let this happen

  76. #76
    On June 20th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, theroc5156 said:

    Dear Axel,

    Rest in peace little angel. May God hold you in the palm of his hand. May you live the rest of eternity in happiness. I pray that you will forgive me and all other adults for failing to protect you and sit idly by while you suffered.

  77. #77
    On June 20th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, DaveC said:

    Maybe this will serve as a wake up call for everyone involved.. be more diligent.. be their SEE moment (Significant Emotional Event) to help change a life.. if the people involved see another situation like that, they will be more apt to step in and do something..

  78. #78
    On June 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, Papa Louie said:

    shooter said:
    IF everything was ‘good’ with no evil, we would not know it, as there would be no bad or anything ‘less than good’ to compare the good against. We would be automatons with a very monotonous day to day existence.

    Exactly! That’s why a robot’s programming is referred to as “artificial intelligence.” It can appear to make choices but all of its decisions are predetermined by its programming. It has no free will and can nether be happy nor unhappy. Someone who has no say in their own life can never truly be happy:

    Happiness requires free will.
    Free will requires a choice between good and evil.
    Choice means evil can exist.
    Evil means some will suffer and be unhappy.

    You can’t create happiness by force, but you can use force to limit evil by limiting freedom of choice. Liberals try to do that all the time. Because God won’t take away free will, liberals try to replace God with an all-powerful State. With the “good intentions” of eliminating inequality and suffering, they use the power of the State to limit individual freedoms, redistribute wealth, and curb free markets. But because some work harder or are more talented than others, inequality will creep in unless the government watches everything and controls everything. This always ends up turning every liberal utopia into a police state like North Korea, Cuba, or Stalin’s Russia. Where has it ever succeeded?

    So, it comes down to a choice between a free society - where people have the greatest opportunity to succeed but where inequality and evil, like child abuse, will also exist - or a tightly controlled society where everyone suffers equally (except the ruling class, of course.) If there is another viable alternative, I would like to hear it.

  79. #79
    On June 20th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, supersean said:

    #39 abstractmind

    I can somewhat comprehend bystanders not wanting to immediately intervene (not knowing that a child was the victim, not knowing of the assailant was armed, etc) during the physical alteration. We have to remember that this attack occurred at night (just after 10:00 PM).

    But I cannot for the life of me understand how those who did identify the victim as a child did not assist when the father stopped the attack to help a bystander activate the hazard lights on his truck.

  80. #80
    On June 20th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, Dandapani said:

    Believe it or not, some California County Sheriffs will issue concealed carry permits to his residents… Apparently not in Stanislaus County. A CCW holder could have stopped the situation. The police are not responsible for individual protection. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

  81. #81
    On June 20th, 2008 at 3:54 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, Dandapani said:
    Believe it or not, some California County Sheriffs will issue concealed carry permits to his residents… Apparently not in Stanislaus County. A CCW holder could have stopped the situation. The police are not responsible for individual protection. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

    Thankfully Arizona is a SHALL issue state. Take a class, pass the test, pay your fee and it is yours. I would rather have the Vermont/Alaska model of no need for a permit, but at least we do not have local discretion. It has saved lives.

  82. #82
    On June 20th, 2008 at 4:02 pm, IndyRich said:

    #72 Tre;
    I, too, hope I’m forgiven of those feelings when the time comes to face my maker…

  83. #83
    On June 20th, 2008 at 5:48 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    It didn’t occur to the bystanders to at least push the father away, pick up the child, and run?

    Too many people are viewing life as though it’s a constant youtube video or something. Because psychologists want to give the problem a name like the Kitty Genovese bystander syndrome, it’s supposed to excuse the problem. What happened to the Good Samaritan syndrome?

  84. #84
    On June 20th, 2008 at 8:50 pm, nuss said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 10:07 am, JHSII said:
    until Modesto police officer Jerry Ramar, dropped on the scene by helicopter, killed him with a single gunshot to the head, authorities said.
    Good.

    Now there won’t be 30 years of trials and appeals and he won’t become a poster boy for the left like Mumia.

    JHSII beat me to it on this. I had the same thought. Unfortunately, the left can still make Officer Jerry Ramar’s life a living hell. Wouldn’t surprise me if they try to portray him as a merciless killer, demand he be fired and arrested. Some slimeball lawyers are probably already trying to figure out a way to sue the police officer and his department. Jerry Ramar is a hero. Leave him alone.

  85. #85
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:18 pm, Irish Rose said:

    What is society coming to you ask?

    Fear of litigation, plain and simple.

    It colors everything from refusing to offer first aid to someone who is hurt, to gawking at an un unconscious old man lying in the middle of the street and doing nothing, to standing by while someone is beating a child to death.

    And we’ll continue to slip down the slippery slope, until we decide that doing the right thing is more important than eluding a potential lawsuit.

  86. #86
    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:21 pm, rightisright said:

    Rest In Peace Axel, My heart goes out to you.

  87. #87
    On June 21st, 2008 at 12:05 am, Jimbojack said:

    On June 20th, 2008 at 9:43 am, Harris said:

    See, that’s what I don’t get, all of this ’safe in the arms of Jesus’ stuff.

    Where was Jesus Saturday night? Where was God when this monster stomped the life out of this child?

    Was he watching? Was he powerless to stop it? It a child’s broken skull part of ‘His Plan’? I know I am on thin ice, and I don’t mean to belittle someone’s beliefs, but this is ALWAYS the feeling I have when children get killed.

    I was an unbeliever for many years. A nonbeliever. I thought only logic and science mattered. But while applying logic and science to the question of creation, I could only come to the conclusion that this wasn’t all random chance or some anomaly of the universe.
    My simplistic view tells me that if God intervened all the time and nothing bad ever happened, then we would already live in heaven. We are put here to prove ourselves, to fight whatever demons or tragedies that fall upon us to earn our place in heaven. If God jumped in every time we were going to screw up, how would we ever learn? That would be the modern public school system method of teaching. The thought of someone killing a child sickens me. The thought of adults doing nothing sickens me. Obviously Sergio Casian Aguiar failed the test big time.

  88. #88
    On June 27th, 2008 at 11:15 am, Yashmak said:

    Just doing things Americans won’t do.

    - PJ

    Do you know that this S.O.B. was an illegal, or even an immigrant of ANY kind? I hadn’t heard that.

    At any rate, he’s developed a hole in his head, and as such a needle isn’t much of a threat to him anymore.

    the left can still make Officer Jerry Ramar’s life a living hell. Wouldn’t surprise me if they try to portray him as a merciless killer, demand he be fired and arrested.

    - nuss

    I seriously doubt that’s going to happen. The ideology of the left may be screwed up, but the idea that they’d go after this cop after he beat a toddler to death is pretty far-fetched.

    I don’t need to know Aguiar felt pain or not when he got shot. I only need to know he will never be able to do what he did again. A bullet to the head was just fine.

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