So where’s the coverage of Armitage?
Mary Katharine Ham wonders when, amidst the thorough coverage of Scott McClellan’s chronic bouts of weaseldom, the media might deign to remind us that it was a fellow named Richard Armitage who originally leaked Valerie Plame’s name to the press.
Google News Search for the following, when sorted according to date:
“scott mcclellan” + “bush” = 110 news results in the last 24 hours
“scott mcclellan” + “cheney” = 86 news results in the last 24 hours
“scott mcclellan” + “libby” = 80 news results in the last 24 hours
“scott mcclellan” + “rove” = 41 news results in the last 24 hours
“scott mcclellan” + “armitage” = 4 news results in the last 24 hours
So the answer to her question is pretty much “don’t hold your breath, wingnuts”.
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Well, I’ve got another question. When will conservatives start to remember that Armitage is good buddies with John McCain and a top adviser to his campaign?
This isn’t even a matter of policy. It’s a matter of character.
Armitage, the squishy “realist” who leaked classified information to the press, the guy who stood by silently while Bush took hits and a special prosecutor was called and Joe Wilson mugged for the cameras, even though Armitage had started this whole mess—Armitage is still working, and advising the Republican nominee.
And not just advising the campaign: he’s likely to get a cabinet post in a McCain administration.
…speculation is shifting to which Cabinet members may stick around for the next administration.
Much of the chatter has focused on Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates. But a longtime McCain ally said even if the Arizona senator decides to keep Gates on for a few months, it would only be as a placeholder for another Bush administration veteran: fellow Navy and Vietnam veteran Richard L. Armitage.
Armitage, who served as deputy secretary of State under Colin Powell in the first Bush term, is close to McCain. But his appointment might stir controversy among neoconservatives, who distrust Armitage on the war.
It might also stir controversy among people who think you keep your big mouth shut when you’re a Deputy Secretary–and who think that if your little heart-to-heart with Robert Novak blows up into a national scandal that puts other people’s careers and lives on the line and compromises the administration’s effectiveness in defending the country, then maybe you ought to step up and be a man and take responsibility for it instead of letting Karl Rove take all the heat for you.
Or is this just me? Does anyone else find Armitage’s behavior dishonorable?
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Armitage’s conscious decision to commit to dishonorable acts while serving the nation is something that does not sit nicely with me.
His prior acts not only violated US Federal Law but developed a culture of mistrust among the ignorant in America causing unnecessary and unwarranted attacks on the wrong people.
McCain has another tough decision to make here and the only correct path in my eyes is to not afford Armitage a cabinet posting. However this is only one small part of the bigger picture and it is merely speculation at this point.
Good Lord, another thing to make me despise McCain and his Judgement. I want to know when McCain is going to get just one thing Right.
He has back tracked on drilling but only offshore, not in ANWR. He says he “gets it” but keeps Juan Hernandez on and panders to La Raza and when out of the spotlight promises that he “didn’t get it.”
Cap & Trade, McCain Feingold, Global Warming, Praising his confirmation of Ginsbur GINSBURG!??? while at the same time Pointedly refusing to say that would appoint justices like Alito.
IMO McCain has failed to come down on any major issue in a way that makes me want to support him and so fa on every issue he looks like a jack ass.
Armitage should have stepped up like a man; instead he hid in the shadows. He is completely untrustworthy; his judgment can’t be trusted. And McCain trusts him?
At one point I thought my choice for this elections was between bad and worse. Now it looks like a choice between badder and worser.
I may wind up joining the write-in campaign for the Anteater! (Non-Jawas should stop by Jawa Report and get hep to the coolest candidate.)
No, it’s not just you. I saw the little weasel (McClellan) on cspan yesterday. Made me ill.
That is precisely the problem. There is a huge deficit of integrity in todays society. I trust very few people anymore.
I’m sorry but shouldn’t we all call Mr. Fitzgerald’s office and DEMAND he investigate and prosecute the person who is actually guilty of the crime he persecuted Libby for?
Oh, wait. That’s right. Fitzgerald KNEW Armitage was the leaker before he ever started prosecuting Libby! Maybe Fitzgerald and Naifong will start a law firm together.
I heard that McCain is gonna have McClellan for his press secretary. Is this true??
Just joking, although it wouldn’t surprise me.
He’s gonna hire Vicente Fox to be his ambassador to Mexico. That oughta do the trick.
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Mc is becomming :
LESS LOTE by the day!!!!!
If Mr. Armitage was an honest man, an honorable man, he would have kept his mouth shut in the first place. Mr. Armitage is neither honest or honorable. Two qualities our country desperately needs in our public figures.
As for his close association with Juan McCain, well, that old saying comes to mind again. Birds of feather flock together.
It’s one thing to try to minimize attention to your own mistakes, quite another to hide in the shadows as others unjustly receive punishment and vilification for your deeds. Armitage and McCain might be friends, but I pray McCain recognizes that Armitage is no leader.
Even the Reporters and Reporter-ettes at the alleged “Fair and Balanced” network can’t seem to remember it was Armitage that was leaking like a bad faucet!
No brownie points for you!!!
This incident is where I stopped being a Novak fan, too. It’s one thing to protect your source. It’s another thing to let somebody else get sent to prison because of it.
Coverage of Armitage wouldn’t help Michelle Obamba’s kids…
That’s sick!!
Robert Gates has quietly been our best SecDef since, well, to be honest, Dick Cheney. Gates’ low maintaince, just “Get-R-done” mentality is just what DOD needs.
Why would McCain want to mess with good thing??
ARGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!
That a bum like Armitage could ever be considered for any government position again, let alone a major cabinet post such as SecDef, tells us all we need to know about the current political scene — character counts for nothing and a lack of it is no barrier to entry.
I believe that over 90% of all politicians (elected and appointed) would throw their mother under a real bus if it meant they would win the election or get the appointment. How sad to realize that we are the ones who elect these appointers. That you get the government you deserve has never been more true.
I remember watching that little weasel Armitage sitting next to Powell in a Senate briefing where he deliberately contradicted his boss, following it with a smug, stiff-necked look at Powell. I haven’t liked him since. And that was before he did the Plame thing to Libby and Rove.
The guy is a schmuck. But it doesn’t surprise me that he’s working for McCain. Birds of a feather.
Armitage seems to have come out smelling like a rose on this one. It’s rarely if ever mentioned that he was the one with the big mouth. Good God, McCain needs to throw this clown under the bus and be done with him.
BTW I may be wrong on this but I thought I read that Fitzgerald knew it was Armitage and his big mouth that let the cat out of the bag but continued to go after Libby anyway? Anyone hear the same?
Fitzgerald knew it from the beginning of the investigation.
Thanks, txvet2! I thought that was the way it went.
Not only does the Press “forget” that Artmitage was the leaker, but that Valerie Plame (probably) wasn’t actually protected as she wasn’t an undercover employee.
No matter who wins the election in the fall, the Country is in for a bad four years. Both presumptive candidates have bad policies and bad associates on their teams.
txvet2 is correct.
So why hasn’t Fitzgerald gotten the same treatment as ex-DA Nifong of Duke lacrosse hoax fame — stripped of his office and become a defendant in a civil case?
It’s hard to imagine a political situation more corrupt than that of Durham in NC, my state of residence, but obviously the stink at the federal level is even worse.
The simple fact that Armitage stood by silently and let this sh#! hit the fan shows that he is no stand up guy. Why the MSM isn’t following HIM around like a flock of skreechy sparrows is hard to understand. After all, he made them look pretty clueless too.
Armitage is a rotten apple and will cause more harm to America and Americans if included anywhere in any admin.
When Bob Beckel speaks these days, I’m truly reminded of Armitage with his weasel type comments and deceit.
But with honor so lacking in Washington ever since the Clintons obliterated any remnants of integrity in the Oval Office and set precedent for the ’scum and scam’ approach, what can we do?
All S&S’ers on the left side of the aisle are given impunity, and many on the right follow suit.
Proof positive that GWB has got the worst instincts in the world for picking people to administer for him.
If McCain gets in, the Dems will have a field day, while John McCain once again gets on his high horse and shafts conservatives….
I know , I know…. my point of view is riddled with MDS, a new form of stiflement of free speech wherein if its something no one wants to hear, “you are mentally ill” and must be mocked for having said it.
Now, if Armitage was Japanese, and honorable, we all know what he would have done long ago….
…since he is not Japanese, nor honorable, he will just have to be happy advising another person whose discretion is becoming more and more questionable.
I have yet to figure out how these folks in D.C. can disclose classified information and not lose their clearance nor go to jail. Soldiers get information security rules, regulations, and laws pounded into them all the time. Perhaps the SF312 is only for those not in Washington, D.C. Perhaps Executive Order 12958 only applies to folks outside of the White House or Congress. And they wonder why the White House and Congress are leaking like a faucet.
Wow. What a great reason not to vote for McCain and let more people vote for Obama so he’s the next president.
And let’s recall Richard Armitage’s history. He was a major defender of Saddam Hussein during the Bush 41 presidency, working hard to finalize agreements to trade injectors (meant to protect soldiers from chemical weapons). The only thing that stopped that deal was breaking news about Saddam GASSING his own people. Then, like now, Armitage’s atrocious thoughts and actions have faded into the misty darkness of journalistic memory.
Now to hear that he has teamed up with McCain is truly disheartening. Douglas Feith’s book ‘War and Decision’ exposes Armitage for the myopic ideologue he is – he is a big part of the reason the State Department actually worked against this president as this country went to war with Saddam Hussein.
Richard Armitage has served his country – but he has not done it well…
Armitage is a coward who opens his mouth when he shouldn’t and fails to open it when he should. Why would McCain, the straight-talker, want to associate with such an untrustworthy maverick who betrays his friends and befriends his enemies? Oh wait…
Armitage had no idea Plame’s status as a CIA agent was classified, and answered Novak’s query as to why Joe Wilson of all people was sent to Niger to drink sweet tea and then release his report straight to al-NYT.
Armitage also told Fitzgerald fairly early on, and the confirmed bachelor Fitzgerald continued his investigation, looking for a perjury trap.
Touch of background from knowing people that attended the same NYC Jesuit high school Fitzgerald did, he is almost certainly homosexual, and seems to have had a similar reaction to Andrew Sullivan when Bush didn’t come out for gay marriage.
I don’t know if Armitage, who opposed the war, leaked other things, but the Plame thing wasn’t a leak designed to hurt Bush.
Now, why Armitage didn’t go public with his role when it became obvious that Fitzgerald was on a jihad to create obstruction or perjury charges over a non-mystery, that I can’t answer. That implies a certain lack of character, unless he was threatened by Fitzgerald (always possible).
But, again, there is no reason to vote for McCain, except he isn’t a flat out communist like Obama, and the protest candidates can’t win.
Like I’ve said. We’ve got to many people now who aren’t old enough to remember or are still looking through rose colored glasses at the presidency of Jimmy Carter.
I’d honestly hate to see it, but an Obama presidency might be just what this country needs to wake up and start getting things straightened out.
Jimmy Carter led to Reagan.
Jimmy Carter also gave us militant Islam in Iran, which we have to this day, and his weakness triggered the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which led to al Qaeda. Basically, prior to Carter, Arab terrorists were either Marxists or nationalists, now we have Sunni and Shia terror groups, and Iran closing in on the bomb.
Carter has gotten more radical as he aged, but back then he was liberal and naive on foreign policy, but he wasn’t an American hating communist, and there are plenty of signs that Obama is a far more malignant figure than Carter was.
Good point #27. I was thinking of a similar question:
Why DOES McCain go out of his way to give us so many reasons not to vote for him?
Oh, I’m sure it’s true.
Do you know what else I heard? The McCain has promised to make Sandy Berger his secretary of state!
Who cares if it’s true or not. One more thing to hate McCain over can’t be that bad, huh?
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Hey, thats awesome. Maybe we should all vote for Obama so we can help make ‘what our country needs’ to be a reality. And don’t say that you’d hate to see it, and then say that you want it. Either you do or you dont.
Michelle,
I thought you were just kidding, This makes me sick!!!
We need someone like Ross Perot to just swoop in with an entirely new set of people. While Ross may be too old now, it seems that an independant could actually win this time.
That is true. And when Bush’s father violated his promise for no new taxes, and so many people either didn’t vote for him again to punish him, or voted for Ross Perot to ’send a message,’ then the nation got Bill CLinton. Twice. And then after that, Bush’s son.
So, in a way, Carter didn’t lead to Reagan, as much as Reagan came to power after Carter because Reagan was a good republican who was a great man with outstanding conservative principles who convinced so many people to vote for him because they saw just that and he communicated extremely well. and he was an outstanding president.
So, Reagan coming after Carter had extremely little to do with Carter’s ineptness.
That’s an easy one. Look who’s advising him.
On Mexican affairs?
On security for American?
On foreign policy?
All his advisors, as well as those of Obama have their own reasons, and positions they want to promote and have legitimized. What you won’t see in either camp, is a “average Joe, or Jill” who can speak for the majority of law-abiding, patriotic, citizens.
Good f*ing lord, not this again.
Wise Man
I’m voting McCain, because I think Obama is that dangerous, and a protest candidate won’t win. But you have to admit, McCain doesn’t make it easy for conservatives to vote for him.
Thaddeus McCotter for Vice President!
An independent like Ross Perot, eh?
I know just the guy!
Me, I think the race would be more interesting with a Republican in it.
Well maybe I’m not remembering things all that well but I do recall ole Rich being quite contrite about the whole thing and him saying that Fitzy had ordered his silence during the trial. He’s just a salty old gassbag that loves to dish out the scuttlebutt. As for his relationship with johnny mac. who cares he is still a bunch better than madam A. and the winnie the phooh guy. I think so many people have missed the point on the val gal story. It seems to me that the only 2 sources that could have leaked her name are, herself, and her employers. Somebody had to tell ole Rich and I’m sure if you follow that trail it will get back to her or someone in the cia.
Great post, see-dubya.
I’m a political news junkie, and I had no idea Armitage is advising McCain and is actually being considered for a cabinet post.
That’s appalling negligence by the MSM.
But that’s why I read Michelle Malkin every day!
See-Dub
Not to toot my own horn, but the video I linked in #41, to Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI), explaining how to talk Democrat is thread worthy.
IMHO.
oy.
Armitage and Hernandez. Great.
“We’ve got too many people now who aren’t old enough to remember or are still looking through rose colored glasses at the presidency of Jimmy Carter.”
McCain has said that Obama is running for Jimmy Carter’s second term. This is too optimistic. What the Great White-Guilt Hope is running for is actually Lyndon Johnson’s second term. Jimmy Carter could hardly get Congress to pass water, but LBJ was a cat of another stripe — and much of his agenda, from the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 to the the Gun Control Act of 1968, is still firmly in place.
For one prognostication on a possible Obama adminstration, see:
http://greenspiece.blogspot.com/2008/06/dine-and-obama-perfect-storm.html
Paul,
Spot on. He’s running for LBJ’s second term, but he only has JFK’s credentials.
LBJ was a wicked, evil (expletive). He’s about a bad human being as has ever lived in the White House. Compared to LBJ, Nixon was honest and Clinton was ethical (or vice versa, if you prefer).
But one thing that LBJ wasn’t was ignorant or stupid. That man was brilliant. An operative of the first order.
If you want ignorant and/or stupid, look to JFK. All teeth and hair and eloquence. Wisdom? Maturity? None.
What’s scary is that compared to Obama, JFK was a genius. JFK at least had the common sense to be discreet. He had personal valor and a tremendous sense of loyalty. While JFK’s redeeming qualities pale when compared to his flaws and ignorance, at least he *had* redeeming qualities.
Obama? I can’t find one. The man is as empty a suit as I have ever seen.
BUT, he is most definitely going to beat McCain, like a cheap tambourine.
Why? Because McCain is yet another JFK – only without the youth, looks, or eloquence. He’s a bumbling, mumbling candidate who comes across mainly as a fool.
Who really believes that this is the candidate that most Republicans really support? Who doesn’t think that Democrats were flooding the primaries, to put this man on the podium as the Republican Candidate?
Seriously?
His being a buddy with Armitage is just another data point in the trend – a trend that will continue to play out as the elections get closer and closer. McCain has “rethought” so many ideas in his pathetic political career that there’s no platform for him to stand on.
He’s for nothing. He’s for everything. He’s friends of everyone. He’s opposed to everyone.
The only hope we have is that Obama’s long life of racial hatred finally blossoms into a true scandal.
Did I say “hope?” Scratch that. I can’t “hope” for John McCain. It would be like wishing for another JFK.
We are SO screwed…
Ugh.
face it — in this election, it’s a choice b/t the R. vs. the D. VP candidates.
…’cuz the tops of both tickets SUX
I can’t figure it out either how no one to include a certain someone who was stuffing classified documents from the national archives in his underwear is not in a very dark hole in a Federal Prison for the rest of their life. You know what would happen to the normal simple servant or GI that was guilty of these types of disclosures violating our NDA.
It appears McCain is doing all he can to throw away his last shot at being POTUS. The more I see of his associations and clueless pandering to the left the easier it will be to vote “none of the above” in November. I will never every vote for the lesser of two evils again.
# 41 GREAT!!! McCotter HMMM of Scotch or Irish blood ….FOR Freedom!!!
and from Michigan!! ????
My home state…I didn’t know that there were any real conservatives left in MI..esp in Livonia YEEEEEE HOOOOO
Write In!!! Mc Cotter or let us know when and/or if he ever needs $$$$ help for a campaign.
CS …Danish/Scott-Irish and For FREEDOM!!!!!
For those who imagine that the VP choice is what they will base their vote on, why bother?
THe VP has no real power unless the president, uh, umm, falters, or the senate is deadlocked.
Neither seems to be likely eventualites.
I am not enthralled with either choice, but I vote. I will either vote for or against one of these two candidates. It is no more complicated than that.
Sure I could make all kinds of emotional arguments about what my real choice would be or could be, or should be. But in the end I get one vote. i am not a child thinking my one vote wil lsend some mystical message to whichever candidate I
Vote for or against. It is simply a single vote.
Use it or not.
The choice we have is the choice we have.
Stay home if you like.
Although I would like to see Obama spend in excess of 500 million dollars on TV advertising this fall. That by itself might be helpful to the economy.
But for what it is worth, if he spent a trillion dollars in advertising, it would have no effect on my vote.
In fact maybe both he and McCain should try to spend a billion dollars together in advertising money.
In the age of internet information, I have to wonder if anyone is actually influenced anymore by TV political advertising?
I have a question, why is this blog shilling for Obama while they are pretending to be “conservative”?
Since when did having a hissy fit about non issues that will help a hard core socialist/defeatist/appeaser get into office become a conservative principle?
Did I miss a memo or something?
Several, apparently.
I haven’t checked yet, but if it hasn’t already happened, that little tidbit will kick off a media frenzy.
I hereby award that the Comment of the Day™ award.
#56:
LOVE the strawman argument. You’ll fit right in with the other forked-tongued McCain supporters.
Maybe some reading would help ease your concerns. First, Valerie Plame’s status as a CIA employee WAS NOT CLASSIFIED.
As Robert Novak wrote:
Alles klar?
You use that term a lot. Do you know what a straw man argument is?
I’m still voting for McCain.
Our enemies will become more bold if Obama becomes President, just like when Carter was President.
Not only did did militant Islam rise and become the problem it is today, but Reagan had to fight the rise of Communism in Central America. All incubated right under Carter’s nose.
Obama’s willingness to pander to terrorists, instead of kicking their a$$, will lead our enemies getting stronger. It will be Carter and Clinton , but far worse.
Letting Obama become President, is something I am not willing to see happen. He will gut the military. Right here he says he will:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE
Also as someone who works in NYC, the likelihood of an attack goes way up with Obama. I really would prefer not dying in a terrorist attack.
As I said before… I cannot subject our military to Obama. And call me selfish, but I’d like to live another 50 years or so.
So if Obama becomes President and NYC gets attacked, then I stop posting on MM you all will know why.
I feel safer with McCain then Obama. That doesn’t mean that I won’t keep fighting and voting for conservatives. I don’t think we fought hard enough in Bush’s eight years. Hence McCain. But if we work hard, we can get what we want in 2012.
ROFL It is just too cool to say “straw man”.
Poor MSM. If they treated the story by presenting the facts, how could they ever get around to blaming the POTUS or his VP?
The Left has rewritten history again.
They can win if people vote for them, surely. This sort of fatalism is not conservative.
Are you refering to Obama or McCain?
Pointing out how badly McCain sucks is not “shilling for Obama”. It’s pointing out how badly McCain sucks. Completely different thing.
Amen!
Egads. Started at the bottom of the page and thought I was on another MDS thread. Who was Dickie Armitage again?
The only way for McCain to save his candidacy, is to pick a credible VP running mate for conservatives approval.
That way if John’s ticker goes out or he gets alzheimers, we have just the man or woman to take over…There is the possibilty such a person could influence things in our direction, if you know what I mean.
Other than that he might as well get out of the race and hand it to Obama
(no I do not want to “hand it to Obama”!)with the way he has run it so far. I throw up my hands.
See-dubya:
I’m with you. Armitage is a worm. He blew open the Plame-non-story story to another worm, Bob Novak.
Than Armitage sits back and watches the CIC and Libby get pummeled.
He’s a worm. He’s no man.
And so is John McCain a worm. I said a long time ago I will not vote for John McCain and I have not changed my position. This just reinforces it.
If Obama wins, tough for us.
Tough for McCain. He should have thought about his countrymen too many times, instead of all the illegals he tried to get in the back door. And now Armitage.
This almost makes me want to campaign for Obama. Almost. Or puke.
I’m just going to write in Tom Tancredo, rather than stay at home. He was my guy, anyway. He is a PATRIOT.
Now now see-dubya,
Ross Perot was not about Washington insiders like John Mccain is. Ross actually cared about the country more than any political wake he might make. Do not fall into the trap of believing the limited news rhetoric about him. Most all news then was controlled by the same msm guys we have today, I don’t think those guys have changed very much at all. I think we just have many more places to get news from today.
Like the people that follow the msm mantra of how Ross cost Bush the election, he did not. Bush won in 88 only after being Reagan’s VP. After people saw more of him, it became clear he was not any different than the sneaky fellow he was as the director of the cia. (”read my lips”)
So far, this election looks like people are going to try to decide between the lesser of 2 evils. I will not vote for evil in any case. As far as I am concerned, Obama can win 1-0 and I will still not vote for evil!
JT said:
Don’t do the above, JT (stop posting).
Michelle Malkin is doing her job presenting the facts on everybody -something that used to be done universally by journalists before propaganda came ahead of fact-finding.
LOL. That was funny, I enjoyed that laugh.
Ross Perot hated the Bush family and did this just to keep him from being re-elected. Ross Perot single mission in the election was to get Bill Clinton elected, and he succeeded. He didn’t give a crap about anything else. After the election, he crawled back into his hole in texas, never to do anything with politics again. He played his supporters for all that they were worth.
Perot is Scott McClellan with more money.
Oh, and if you don’t choose between the ‘lesser of two evils,’ then you are guaranteed to get
the greater of two evils.
Freddy:
Ross Perot pulled out of the race right at the time he was ahead of both GHWB and Clinton….that was caring about the country?? That act destroyed his chances of getting in (assuming that was truly his wish in the first place).
Wise_Man you couldn’t have said it better.
You assume too much, which makes an ass of you and me. I’ve done my reading, which is the reason for my concern.
I’m well aware of Plame’s former status, thanks. I’m referring to Sandy Berger, previously undisclosed CIA prisons, the NSA’s domestic surveillance program, among others, which I won’t talk about here.
As the saying goes, “loose lips sink ships.” It sucks when those loose lips are connected to the very folks who help establish policy for those on those ships or in those tanks or flying those aircraft.
Well said JT.
Hey, lots of other lemmings have come to the same conclusion. Most of their excuses are just as flimsy.
Good one, Obviously McCain is not a socialist, he is not a defeatist and he is not an appeaser, so who does that leave?
John McCain has 50 years of service to, and genuinely loves the USA. His competition is a dangerous neophyte who is going to wreck the economy, disgrace the country and get a lot of Americans killed.
Trying to make an issue out of McCain associating with Armitage is idiotic. There is a very, very good reason Mary Katharine Ham couldn’t find Richard Armitage in the news… this is a non story tossed out so the pseudo “conservatives” can have their 2 minutes of rage over McCain.
Choice 1: McCain, choice 2: Obama… Staying at home equals choice 2. Just don’t kid yourself that you are a conservative if you are going to help Barack Obama get elected.
Bill Grant said:
And what will you do when McCain adopts the same policies as Obama has promised to do (immigration, ETC.. will you tell us it is our imagination that he has done so??
The one thing I do not question is McCain’s loyalty to himself….
Being conservative is also the ability to acknowlege and evaluate truth…just like (I hope you do) read the fine print brfore you sign on the dotted line of an important contract.
Perhaps what you advocate is what will happen in the end voting-wise, but if it does not the resposibility lies squarely with John McCain and no one else.
Not that I expect that he will, but I will tell you that there is more to living in American Democracy then flipping a lever and you now have to make your voice heard again. Electing McCain will give you a fighting chance to do that and allowing Obama to be elected will ensure that you are not only ignored but condescended to as well.
Whelp, he was tortured for 5 years because of his loyalty to the USA and the other POWs in Hanoi. If that isn’t enough to persuade you that he is more loyal to the USA then someone who has made it his life’s work cultivating relationships with people who denigrate or even have used violence against this country I do not know what will persuade you.
Count me in.
{^_^}
I am not concerned about 40 years ago when I mark the vote card, I am concerned with the present day…I mean is anyone really concerned how I served the nation 26 years ago when I apply for a job, credit or meet a lady? No they don’t.
In fact John McCain was involved deeply in the efforts to normalize relations with Vietnam (Translation:let’s make money!)-all that torture he experienced didn’t phase him now did it? John McCAin did not hide from that effort.
If that torture happened to me and I was invited to help normalize relations with a nation we did not defeat, I would say “no thanks”. An honorable person of the past can become disreputable in the future.
The only 2 thing John McCain has been mysteriously consistent on that conservatives favor is being against a re-enactment of the Clinton-Style Assault weapon ban, whereas the rest of gun control he is never around to fight-I remember back in ’90s when my back was to the wall on that issue…and being against abortion, though in subdued way, but against it nonetheless.
I may yet vote for this person in November, but I and a lot of people need to see where we can counterbalance his liberal tendencies…that can only happen with a more conservative congress (in 2 years+) or a vice-presidential running mate that can talk him out of his foolishness.
Right now this is an open question, Bill. AS you can tell ,Bill, I have no love for him or any other politician.
I’m referring to Bill Grant’s post # 84 in my post #86
If we lived in the world of old Armitage would be horse whipped in public and then tried for treason and shot. He is a disgrace to the uniform.
It seems to me that nothing and nobody is ideal. That being said; who do you want to be our next President? A Marine Pilot and Senator who served active duty, in country.
Or perhaps you prefur BHO? It’s called Focus people. FOCUS on the mission at hand.
Your worried about the rocks in the road, while we are attempting to put up a bridge?!
When BHO is our President in 2009 I’m going to laugh at ALL of you.
You would rather bitch and complain than get a man elected.
Life isn’t fair. Get over it!
These things, these simple facts need to be said here, every day, for the next 5 months. It should be obvious. Because of the type of comments that I have observed by the pack of ‘McCain is a traitor!’ jackals that regularly post here. People shouldn’t have to have to mention this about McCain, but they have to, in response to all of these lying, defeatist and self-destructive comments. This site should have more intelligent people here capable of figuring this out on their own. And that is very sad.
In light of your civic-mindedness, let me be the first to say “Muck you very fuch!”
Send_Me:
Forgive me for not seeing the crystal clarity in your reference to “these folks in D.C.” By limiting my reference to thread topic I unfairly excluded the other 3M residents of the DC metro area. Mea culpa!
As the article states, this is “chatter” from an anonymous source.
Yawn.
It’s pretty funny watching everyone flip out over it though.
love2rumba,
If I stop posting on MM after an attack on NYC, it means I’m dead. The odds of me dying should Obama become President go way up.
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very true, but at least you know ObaMahdi cares more than anyone else…..
That would make a great McCain campaign ad! Considerig how he has handled his “outreach” so far, it wouldn’t surprise me.
He was a navy pilot, not a marine. small correction.
It just goes to show that the statement “The one thing I do not question is McCain’s loyalty to himself….” Is inherently unfair, Indeed, McCain has a history of service to the USA and his opponent has lackluster, even sub-par term in the senate.
“In fact John McCain was involved deeply in the efforts to normalize relations with Vietnam (Translation:let’s make money!)-”
It just made sense to work toward more normal relations with vietnam. Do we still block relations with the UK, Mexico, France, Germany, Spain, Japan..etc?
Are you trying to say that what he went through was no big deal? Nice.
So we should still be bombing them, eh? Makes a lot of sense. By the way, what will you say about Iraq when Obama hands it over to Iran and al Qaeda? When will we get to normalize relations with them after Obama sees that WE are defeated?
Look at the gun laws in Phoenix versus Chicago… That ought to tell you where the relative candidates stand.
I would think that given that he is running against the most liberal senator who openly vows to make the country in to the failed image of Chicago’s south side and lose the war against the dirty animals who want us dead that might be enough to persuade you.
Thank You.