The New York Times reveals the name of KSM’s interrogator, over the CIA’s wishes
I’ll send you through Allah’s writeup. Like hell I’ll link these worthless blackhearted anti-American ass-grommets. Here’s their justification for revealing, despite pleading by the government, the name of the man who–without torture, without heavy-handed tactics, extracted a confession from Khaled Sheikh Mohammed.
The Central Intelligence Agency asked The New York Times not to publish the name of [hero], an interrogator who questioned Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and other high-level Al Qaeda prisoners, saying that to identify Mr. M—– would invade his privacy and put him at risk of retaliation from terrorists or harassment from critics of the agency.
After discussion with agency officials and a lawyer for Mr. M——, the newspaper declined the request, noting that Mr. M——had never worked under cover and that others involved in the campaign against Al Qaeda have been named in news stories and books. The editors judged that the name was necessary for the credibility and completeness of the article.
The Times’s policy is to withhold the name of a news subject only very rarely, most often in the case of victims of sexual assault or intelligence officers operating under cover.
Mr. M——, a career analyst at the agency until his retirement a few years ago, did not directly participate in waterboarding or other harsh interrogation methods that critics describe as torture and, in fact, turned down an offer to be trained in such tactics.
The newspaper seriously considered the requests from Mr. M——- and the agency. But in view of the experience of other government employees who have been named publicly in books and published articles or who have themselves chosen to go public, the newspaper made the decision to print the name.
That’s not even a justification. It’s just “so we decided to do it”. Now this guy gets rewarded by the Times for doing his job, and subjected to the full Cully Stimson/John Yoo treatment–lawsuits, hounding, stalkers. That’s at best; what if Al Qaeda decides to pay him a visit?
Damnable free-riders. They live and prosper under the blanket of security provided by men like this, and they expose him–unnecessarily, as Allah notes–to enhance the credibility of their story. What is the incentive to undertake any kind of dangerous or unpleasant job for the country if the Times is going to out you on a whim?
Are there any consequences for their decision? Does the outing of people who undertake hazardous duty for their country–again– prick anyone’s conscience? Anyone at the Times want to resign, or maybe just dissent from this decision?
Anyone?
Back in 2006, Michelle was peeved at the Times for their propensity to leak national security secrets; here’s her report on a protest she helped organize in front of the NY Times’ DC office. I like this placard:
It’s more appropriate than ever, and so is the following parody that I wrote back then:
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U.S. Soldier spying on bin Laden
NY Times Special Report
By B. Arnold
WAZIRISTAN—An American soldier, clinging to a cliff face littered with broken shale and animal bones in Waziristan, northwest Pakistan, is currently engaging in direct, unwarranted surveillance of Osama bin Laden, confidential sources have revealed to the New York Times.
The soldier’s conduct raises questions about the Bush administration’s policy of covert surveillance and intelligence gathering in support of his “War on Terror”. Constitutional experts are “troubled” by this and similar unwarranted searches that are designed to gather information on terrorists, but may reveal private information about American citizens instead.
“If there were an American citizen down there sunbathing in that Waziristan village next door to where bin Laden is conferring with his top lieutenants, then the Defense Department would now be passing around her photos,” said Cass Sunstein, a law professor.
Mr. bin Laden, who could not be reached for this interview, is a Saudi-born spiritual leader who, some say, was connected with the attacks on the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. The attack killed nearly 3000 people, many of them women and minorities. He is currently meeting with twelve lieutenants to discuss a worldwide spiritual initiative set to take place in Jakarta, Addis Ababa, Melbourne, and Houston, Texas on July 11th.
Observing the heavily guarded meeting from about fifty yards away is Lt. Thomas “Turk” Dobrovsky, of Houston. Crouched in a camouflaged “ghillie suit”, Dobrovsky adjusted a concealed antenna in an effort to record snatches of Arabic conversation in the mud meeting hall below. He is partially concealed by a rock outcropping, the one with the two scraggly bushes, but is awkwardly positioned and unable to defend himself. A burst of AK fire or an RPG from the guards below could kill him easily.
When contacted by a New York Times reporter, Lt. Dobrovsky became agitated and waved us away, and made a threatening motion by drawing his finger across his throat. In a climate of jingoism whipped up by talk radio and right-wing internet sites, such threats are not unusual. This is not the first time that journalists have been threatened by American soldiers eager to prosecute the War on Terror (see Editorial, “Trigger Happy Psychos who Hate the Free Press and the Constitution”, p.A-19.)
As the Times reporter filed his story, however, Lieutenant Dobrovsky pled with us not to reveal his position, whispering that he had a wife and child back home that could be destroyed “in a Houston chemical weapons attack” by Mr. bin Laden’s organization. He could not produce a search warrant and did not know whether there were any American citizens in the meeting, but said that if there were, he “hoped they got what’s coming to them.”
His wife, Helen Dobrovsky, refused to speak with Times reporters when contacted at her workplace, Reliable Carpet Service, at 456 W. Poplar Ave. in Houston. The dark-haired Ms. Dobrovsky (see picture at left) works as a receptionist at the front desk. We contacted her at her home, the only house with a white picket fence on Gladiolus Circle in Conroe, Tx, but she again refused to speak with the Times. Leaning on her green Honda Accord, with the Texas license plate number THX-9509, she directed a stream of obscenities at our reporter, calling him a “miserable traitor”, and a “murdering un-American bastard” who ought to be “thrown in a cell with a bunch of Al Qaeda butchers to see if they really will kill you last, you f—-ing traitor.”
Lt. Dobrovsky’s daughter was no more forthcoming. When contacted at Houston’s KinderCare pre-school, Haley Dobrovsky, 4, (see picture) refused to address the constitutional issues presented by her father’s surveillance, stating only that her “Daddy is very brave.” Haley, who is blond and carries a distinctive red Hello Kitty backpack, was then whisked away by the pre-school’s unarmed security officer, who asked our reporter to leave.
Back in Waziristan, a goat wanders through the village near where bin Laden camps. Like bin Laden, the goat is currently unaware that three F-16s have just taken off from Bagram AFB in Afghanistan, in response to an emergency radio call placed by Lt. Dobrovsky, who was angered about Times reporting of his illegal activities. While the Times reporter is safely out of the way, Lt. Dobrovsky remains behind to maintain a laser dot on the hut to guide the bombs to their target, and will likely be killed when the bombs strike.
If Mr. bin Laden has the New York Times web edition on his RSS feed, however, he will know that he has twelve minutes to finish his meeting, shoot Lt. Dobrovsky, and disappear before the aircraft are within strike range.
Times correspondents in Houston, Tehran, Pyongyang, and Damascus contributed to this report.
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Would anyone be able to post:
The NYT editors’ and reporters’
-Direct dial work phones
-NYT e-mail addresses
-Home addresses
-Home phone numbers?
So people can contact them with new tips, natch.
Ugh. The times does this and there’s silence from the far-left nut jobs….but they’re lining up to crucify Rove and Cheney over Plame.
Altogether totally sickening.
Of course not. They have a right to privacy, you see.
Wethal–
I’d rather we didn’t do that.
Well, I might put up the work e-mails this afternoon, or at least contact info for the Times.
But please don’t post anything personal. I’m definitely angry enough to do that, and I’d like to find some way to hold the Times accountable. But I just don’t want to bring any unnecessary heat on Michelle over putting out that kind of information.
About the only way for something like that to come about is for some patriotic person who works in the Times building and knows these people, could post their personal information anonymously, over their wishes not to do so and find a way to keep it online in direct retaliation for their actions in regards to this (as well as multiple previous) events.
But no. This can’t happen here.
see-dubya,
I tend to agree with the home info unless it were strictly for the particulars who made this decision. They deserve every bit of harassment that could be visited upon them. An eye for an eye, if you will.
Work phone numbers would also be very helpful. Emails are easy to ignore or route to the junk mailbox via user written rules. A phone is not so easy to ignore.
Can we haul the NYT before Patrick Fitzgerald and have him grandstand a witch hunt on them just like he did to the Bush Admin.? I mean if the Valerie Plame name outing was so bad what is this?
Solution is easy. We need to contact the companies advertising in the Times and start refusing to do business with them.
I get your point, See-Dubya. We’d be lowering ourselves to their level with the home data.
But the workphone and work emails are certainly are channels through which people can register their outrage.
Considering that some degenerates on the left found out Michelle’s home address and published it in retaliation for her legitimately posting the contact info of the “Students Against War” that was clearly on their press release.
.
That would be wonderful if someone would do something about this, and of course, no. Nothing will.
So the interrogator’s name was Mr. Mplame?
Oh shit. Now the ACLU’s going to be all over this. Prisoner abuse, habeas corpus, blah, blah, blah…
Scooter Libby is convicted for his poor memory in who blabbed about toilet-scrubber Valerie Plame but these execrable pieces of #$@#$ can reveal an agent who actually got to interrogate Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and will likely get off scot-free.
The NYT is on the decline but the end can’t come fast enough for those traitors.
So this is the their version of the “Power of the Press?” Geez, all I can say is WOW! Do the editors @ NYT have no shame? Or any patriotism? Any at all? If they hope to increase their readership with this, they are truely delusion!!
If a Federal Prosecutor can start an all out witch hunt due to the outing of an analyst sitting behind a desk in CIA Headquarters at Langley ending with an innocent man going to prison due to a poor memory, they should be able to get some real results now that someone who was actively gathering intelligence as a covert operative by interrogating an unlawful combatant with his exposure by the traitors in the NYT. Waiting for Fitzgerald to get the subpoenas flying in 3, 2, 1………..(crickets chirping).
I guess TREASON would be too strong a word.
Perhaps it is time for private action. That miltia we keep hearing about perhaps. When in the Course of Human Events as it were.
That’s a fair statement.
They should be held accountable. If this were WWII they would be in jail, along with Fonze Rivera. Geraldo gave our positions way while in Afghanistan. He was just sent home. The press, and the CIA leakers have been given way too much slack in this war, because they view it as a police action not a war, just ask Silky Pony. If we’re going to win the Global War on Terror, we need to look at the traders within our country first, before we can execute this war overseas.
TREASON!!!
May God forbid anything bad happens to “Mr. M” or his family because of the hateful, irresponsible actions of that branch of the democrap party, the NY Times.
The NY Times will reap it’s just reward soon enough. No entity can be that disloyal and traitorous and still maintain sufficient revenue to survive. I hope to see the day when the NY Times finally goes bankrupt and closes it’s doors forever.
oops! “way” should have been “away”.
Dude.
How did the scumbags at the Times get his name in the first place? It should have been protected.
Once again, I’m disappointed by my fellow conservatives. If you all really believe that we shouldn’t be “lowering” ourselves to fight back tit for tat, then you’re showing up at a gunfight with a butterknife. What separates us from them isn’t tactics, but political philosophy; as the rules of engagement change, we have to be able to adapt and overcome. And folks, that means “lowering” ourselves. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched conservatives behave like gentlemen on television, while they’re beaten up by leftists with no sense of civility. They only look like winners to people who value that civility…to the rest of America, the hearts and minds go to the “scrappy” lefty.
If you all intend to prevail in this fight, and I would hope you would, then you’ve got to learn to rally around our best horse in the race, quit nitpicking about candidate’s ideological perfection, and get down in the mud and fight the good fight there.
In my military days I worked in high level security areas and handled innumerable pieces of highly classified materials …
If I had said one word to anyone about what I saw, read, wrote, discussed, or did at work I would have been court martialed and immediately thrown into jail or worse …
I still have an active security clearance and on occasion find myself working in a classified area … and those same requirements are still there as part of my authorization to enter the facility and work there when the project requires it … only from the civilian side now …
I want to know why the government has for a number of years refused to find out who these “leakers” are and prosecute them to the full extent of the law …
They only seem to care if the information was given to some foreign government, friendly or otherwise … but never seem to pursue those who leak to the press … especially the Al-Qaeda Times …
It disgusts me no end …
Can the New York Times’ editors be arrested and prosecuted under whatever law the Valerie Plame outers were charged?
Can the New York Times’ editors be arrested and prosecuted for treason? This is far beyond the First Amendment, here. Why not prosecute them, and make them take it all the way to the Supreme Court?
And while they’re on trial, post the arrested editors’ names, addresses, names of their kin and children, and credit records….
We are in the MIDDLE of THE WAR ON TERROR, a CONSTITUTIONALLY DECLARED war. The Justice Department should do a full scale investigation for impropriety. If any is found PROSECUTE TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW. This is an abomination of the worst kind. These RADICAL LIBS hate GWB so much, they would put the country at risk to make GWB look bad. DISGUSTING!!!!
The New York Times is now an active participant in the war on terror. The only real surprise is the side they have chosen. Finding the appropriate response to this enemy will not be simple.
In this case, it would seem that this private individuals rights to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness have been violated by this newspapers desire to provoke an attack upon him, as well as the implied threat to anyone that would consider replacing him.
This problem is going to be around for a long time.
F*** the new york times. Send those NYT reporters and editors to G-Bay and throw away the key. We are a country at war, and they are publishing information that will undoubtedly endanger lives. The CIA should not have to plea with them not to publish, the CIA should just tell them, and that should be it. This man will have to be relocated along with his family, identities changes, family ties severed, because some complete a55hole at NYT thinks publishing his name enhances the story. HIS NAME MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO ONE GROUP AND ONE GROUP ONLY – AL QUEDA, because now they know who to go after.
NYT YOU ARE MURDERERS. YOU SHOULD RECEIVE A LIFE SENTENCE.
I don’t mind being quoted, but learn to use the quote function so you can do it accurately.
It will hurt the war effort/President Bush….
Spite with potentially deadly consequence is so unprofessional. At least that’s what I thought the NYT told me about the “outing” of the lying tool Wilson and his covert pencil pushing socialite wife Plame (by Armitage).
At least the Left, being so intellectually honest, will be bringing this up consistantly for the next 5 years as if it were one of the top 5 sins committed in the history of humanity.
The NYT is a disgrace to this great democracy! The purpose of having news organizations is to keep people informed…but NOT the people that would do us harm!
I guess the old WWII saying, “Loose lips, sink ships” no longer applies, as far as the NY Times is concerned. Aid and comfort to the enemy…yes! Protecting America and American lives…NO!
I don’t think free speech applies when it is done in such a reckless, and treasonous manner, and I am positive it is not what our founding fathers envisioned.
Revealing the name is relevant to one group only – Al Queda. The NYT is assisting a terrorist organization, plain and simple, and should be permanently shut down and the editors and journos thrown in jail for supporting a terrorist organization.
BDS has the Times and it’s staff so ate up they are bound and determined to help the Muslins win this war.What’s ironic to me is the fact their offices sit in the middle of the #1 target of the Jihad.One would think they would realize this and be helping the country instead of trying to bring it down.They are so far gone if an airplane slammed into their building they would not get it.Besides,Sharia will not allow newspapers anyway.
This is the new traitor couture of New York. Why does BushCo continue to do nothing about treason like this?
Wonder if they’ll pull this crap when Obama is POTUS. Then we’ll know for sure if they’re just extreme BDS sufferers or actually real anti-America terrorist-aiding traitors. I’m betting they’re both.
And my friends wonder why I want to get away from the city.
Most newspaper management teams are made up of leftist journalism students who grew up in the Watergate era, or their professors did. They idolize the idea of ‘ taking down the man’.
The majority of that population loves communism, fascism, and terrorism. They hate the ‘establishment’ but unfortunately they have the analytical depth of a bug.
Is anyone surprised that the majority of mainstream print and television journalists are traitors to the United States and basically lazy journalists? Is anyone at all surprised they slam blogs, conservative talk radio, and other forms of free expression that thrive between New York and LA?
The bottom line on this topic is that Plame was acting against the interests of the United States foreign policy, and the ‘outed interrogator’ was carrying out the orders of the commander in Chief in time of war. Plame will get cocktail parties, and the interrogator will be at risk of life and certainly harrassed and threatened.
I wouldn’t buy or read a copy of the Times any more than I would send ammunition to terrorists.
There. Fixed it for ya.
Why would anybody buy the NY Times? Don’t tell me it’s for the sports coverage, the crossword, or any other such bee-ess. You’re paying for them to print the front page whether you read it or not.
There are plenty of other places to go to get those items and you won’t be supporting this garbage when you do.
Probably 80% of NY Times subscribers are loons just like the people who work there. They believe the message. That leaves 20% who are fooling themselves that should stop buying. That kind of a hit would bring the NY Times to the breaking point. Lower subscription rates means lower ad revenues, which is what really covers the costs of a newspaper.
The rest of us who don’t subscribe because we don’t support the message can aid in the fight by asking anyone we see reading a Times why they are doing so. Public humiliation is a powerful weapon.
Would it be ok to reveal the names and home addresses of those traitors from the NY times on the website for everyone to see ? I bet they don’t like that at all, yet they can reveal anything for the sakes of free speech.
Likewise!!!!!!
I believe the reason somebody like us would have been prosecuted, and not “them”, is because the leakers are politically motivated, and are protected by the left stream moonbats, who control the DEM party. The Dem party wants to see America fail in the War on Terror, and will do almost anything to see the Terrorist win. Yes, I question their patriotism. John Murtha is exhibit number one; he called our Marines cold-blooded killers.
On June 22nd, 2008 at 11:20 am, Christian Soldier said:
TREASON!!!
Yes treason… treason in a time war.
So how exactly did the slimes get his name in the first place?
Unless it relates to the republican administrations that they critique, liberals seem to fail to understand that their decisions have consequences. The alternative would be that they do understand that their decisions have consequences, and yet they are fine with what might happen to “Mr. Ms” of the world after they publish other’s personal information.
I agree with other readers who believe that the personal information of those NY Times decision makers involved needs to be made public, as blow back. That’s a start.
I can also remember a time and place where purposeful harm was diminished by responding with equal or greater measure. The time was my childhood and the place was usually a playground.
It seems to me that some of the time honored rules of the playground need to be reintroduced back into adult society.
“worthless blackhearted anti-American ass-grommets”
Bumper sticker time!
Just one more instance of The New York Times flaunting their treason under the banner of “freedom of speech.” Apparently to them it means freedom from responsibility, freedom to endager its fellow citizens of the U.S.A., and freedom to lose more business and scratch their heads as to why it is happening.
If Hussain Obama wins in November election, here are few stories I envision from NYT SOON after 21 January, 2009:
We are winning the war on terror.
The economy is turning around.
The housing slump is over.
The unemployment is down.
The consumer confidence index is turning up high.
All this happens within days the new President takes office.
Somebody help me understand>>>>>>>>
Why is the CIA talking to and trusting the NYT?
I have NOT FORGOTTEN!
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#1)I think I can do better than a butter knife
#2) We all apreciated the gentleman conservatives on televison; but we with better than a butterknife can act too.
#3) While we Conservatives have worked within the rules the Leftist, worse yet the ‘moderates’, keep changing the rules.
#4)I
thinkKNOW I can do better than a butter knifeThe New York Times put put this man’s life in danger. Tit for tat multiplied by sheer rage might be the correct action. The Left has been getting away with this for way to long.
Valerie Plame.
vatodio
It has already been done … look at the months leading up to the election in ‘92 … the press was all gloom and doom on the economy and jobs … then witin a month after Clinton gets in office the world is all better and the economy is great …
deja vu all over again …
Searching for phone numbers and home addresses of NYT scumbags take time.
Contacting the advertizers and expressing your displeasure take time.
Not reading New York
TimesInquirer SAVES you time. At the same time NYT gets the message and some of them get pink slips too.We can certainly turn NYT into a free daily available at the Hotels and libraries only. There will be some die-hard socialist-communists who would still prefer to read NYT. But that won’t be enough to call themselves a great national news paper.
lgm said:
Exactly. We now have the “Paper of Record” misguidedly engaging in payback, against an Administration they oppose, by going after a patriot who arguably saved the lives of countless Americans by successfully extracting information from a committed terrorist. Congratulations to you, lgm.
I’ll gladly give you Richard Armitage for every lib at the NY Times who helped make this happen. Blow back time.
Come on, lgm, if the release of V. Plame’s name was wrong, then so is this.
Or are you saying this one is okay because Richard Armitage did it to V. Plame?
I was going to defend the NYT until I read that. I originally thought they meant that this was one of the CIA goons who was torturing KSM. It actually sounds like he made a principled stand against participating in their torture program. Good for him. Sounds like he didn’t deserved to be “outed.”
Treasonous scum.
#55 mark said:
Wow, that’s pretty harsh…unless we’re talking about different KSMs?
Did you consider Micheal Spann to be a “goon” too?
Yes he is, the little pain in the butt.
Joe Wilson going off to drink sweet tea in Niger was obviously a political hit organized by Bush opponents in State and certain CIA operatives, and al-NYT willingly played the part of dupes, right down to feigned outrage over the ‘leaking’ of Valerie Plame.
Waterboarding the planner of 9-11 is pretty marginal as far as ‘torture’ goes.
I had a high school friend who wound up on the same ship I did, who was an aircrewman on a helicopter, and he was waterboarded by the US Navy as part of his training in escape and evasion in case he was ever captured.
Waterboarding is no fun, but if it is torture, it is low grade torture, not much worse than making people listen to Bryan Adams or Celine Dion.
Now that’s funny…and true.
Puh-leeeze. The NYT article stated that Mr. M– was the good cop in the good cop/bad cop game.
If you’re relying on some type of Robert Fulghum principles when dealing with a terrorist mastermind, you’re headed off to a cockfight without your Viagra.
Drive by frickin journalism.
Integrity is no more, honesty is history, patriotism is dead for journalists.
The pain and damage done to Americans by journalists in the last 20 years alone is staggering. They are the new pond scum profession, worse than a used car salesman, worse than insurance salespeople, the lowest form of life with a job is a journalist today and the NYSlimes is the worst of the worst.
What can be done?
Their utter disdain for this presidency knows no bounds or regard to lives.
Too bad schools swear by them.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
The NYT just loves to print any info which will aid our enemies. I vote to have them all waterboarded, starting from the top down, and then charging them with treason!
WOW!
That is about all I could say to the whole stinking mess! I can not even think of what it would be like if that scumbag Obama wins….:(… The NYT is getting a FREE PASS NOW just think would an Obama Admin would do for these gut’s- let’s a list of all contact information for anyone at the NSA or tha Armed Forces or my FAV would be a direct contact list for the SCUMBAGS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE along with all their staffers and more importanly the HOOK UPS ON “K” Street. But it wont rool like that.
…..
The NYT is about as anti-American as a business can get, without reprisal. A few decades ago, it was the newspaper to read, when one was overseas. I wouldn’t bother to give the time to an employee of NYT, much less read their newspaper. They are truly disgusting as a paper. No wonder their subscription rates are down.
So let me get this straight: the liberal Democrats want to punish telcoms for cooperating with the government in preventing terrorism, while simultaneously allowing (encouraging?) the NYTimes and other liberal publications to routinely publish names, places and information that will do nothing but put our country in danger?
Is it just me, or does this seem just a little seditious, or even traitorous. Dare I say UNPATRIOTIC?
One has to wonder which the NYTimes dislikes more, Bush or the country? Or is it simply both? How can they justify the things they do?
I know it is often asked, but can anyone imagine if the NYTimes of today was in operation during WWII? We’d be speaking German on the East Coast, and Japanese on the West Coast.
I have no trouble believing that if the editors of the NYTimes got their hands on some critical information about a military operation, they would publish it as fast as they could type it into their word processors.
Is sedition protected by the First Amendment?
Superb point.
Checkmate.
Amazing. And how often do we read “An anonymous source today said the Bush administration….”
No problem covering their own asses but gladly hang others out in the wind.
There is no accurate way to describe my level of contempt for these putzes. They have no fear doing these things because they think they will never have to pick up the check- “If this gets out of hand, we have soldiers we pay to cover our behinds and do the dirty work.”
If the anarchy these people are shooting for ever comes, I will make sure they reap the whirlwind. Seems appropriate.
No personal information!!!! These people may have families that were not involved in the pathetic editorial process. Think about this folks – would you want someone calling your house, having your child/spouse answering the phone and hearing the phrase “Traitor!!” on the other end? That’s a tactic of the undermedicated left. Deal with the problem, not the family of the problem. Please.
I had to read through all of this twice to catch the parody part on the bottom article. See-dubya, you scared me to pieces. The truth part is despicable by itself.
I keep feeling like I am stuck in the twilight zone.
I need someone to give me a definition of Patriot, I MUST have it in my mind incorrectly.
Several additional notes…..
1. We can harp on the NYT; however, these folks did not look into a crystal ball to get a name….next questions is?????
2. Bluejester #47: Love the concept – freedom of speech does not equal freedom from responsibility. NYT is no different than the Hollyweird types (Susan and Tim) that were pleading that they were being censored because of their public comments against the war, and that their movies were dying on the vine. Censorship is a governmental function; distaste in the message by a private individual, who no longer chooses to fund the writer, is perfectly legal and acceptable. NYT, choose your audience – USA or someplace else.
Are we going to continue to have a country or not? If so, when are we going to start holding these people accountable for proverbially yelling “FIRE” in a theater??? (i.e. sedition/treason)
The treason of today is definitely not the treason of our founding fathers. My how definitions change.
I can’t stop laughing at the liberals who even TRY to put this on par with the whole valerie plame “who walks through the front door of her office building”…so secretive..ohhhhhhhh.
You know what? I’m sad for this guy. I hope he has some recourse to somehow sue the nyslimes for putting him and his family in danger. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that this did and they could hardly say they didn’t realize it would.
Of course what the fishwrap of record did was deplorable however, they did not originate the issue. Somebody within the gov’t gave them the name.
My question is who (singular or plural) gave NYT the name to begin with? That person(s) need to be tried (hanged) for treason.
Not defending NYT here, but I don’t think they broke any “oath” whereas the gov’t employee who disclosed the info in the first place, most likely did break an “oath”.
You mean the law which Armitage was charged?
I wouldn’t eat any fish wrapped in this rag for fear it has spoiled the fish.
My opinion is the times, its owners, and its management are traitors, and leads me to the other opinions in this blog.
Time to “pinch” Mr. Pinch. Our nation needs a website to document the address of the places Mr. Pinch frequents, his homes, the corporate jet he uses, the flight plans filed for his jet, recent photos of “Mr. Big”, etc. This expose should extend to all NYT journalists who comment on the war in any way, and their entire management. The entire database should be faxed to several sources including Hammas, Hezbollah, etc.
It would be nice for some civil protest as well such as: throwing blood at Mr. Big and his gang whenever they are seen in public; protesting/sit down blockade of the Times building; and other tactics used by the left when they are upset.If legal, photos of the gang with bullet holes and blood can be posted around NYC. Whenever legally possible, lawsuits naming the NYT for emotional damages, inflicted as a result of exposing Americans to increased danger could be filed, suits for misinformation, and the union workers should be called upon to boycott printing the treasonous paper. Conservative Congressional leaders ( that’s a joke) should name Mr. Pinch and link him to his treasonous behavior and call for hearings, make speeches, etc.
The Times should come to be seen as dangerous to the nations health – a toxic waste.
PINCH should replace Quisling in the common lexicon.
On June 22nd, 2008 at 2:35 pm, lgm said:
Valerie Bertinelli
Valerie Harper
Valerie Perrine
Valerie…of the Dolls
Ok, so I ran out of Valerie’s – but my point is, any one of the Valerie’s I just listed is/was as much covert CIA as your Ms. Plame.
What’s more if Plame was really a covert agent, then why did the NY Times break its own stated policy, declaring name protection for undercover operatives, by running her name repeatedly in every story they wrote covering this issue? (They didn’t break the story, so there was really no need.)
The answer: it satisfied their deranged desire and attempt to have Carl Rove indicted and removed from government, by implicating him for the name leak with their excoriating coverage; in short, they would have exposed every covert officer in the bureau if it meant they could drive Rove out of his advisory role.
And it’s not just Rove in the Times’ cross-hairs. Not since WWII have they outwardly supported U.S. intelligence gathering.
In fact when it comes to deciding between protecting the names of U.S. intelligence agents or exposing them for the chance to possibly discredit a American administration, the NY Times policy is clear: “Source confidentiality for me, but not even with U.S. security in the balance for thee.”
Even LGM is speechless.
Yes, the NY Times can be just like free advertising for al queida.
This from the newspaper that refused to reveal its “anonymous sources” with the whole john-mccain-affair smear… Double standards much?
Sorry for the double trackback..
“Is this another ‘outing’ method?”