Commencement indoctrination

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 23, 2008 09:45 AM

Jason Mattera wonders where the diversity is when it comes to college commencement speakers.

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  1. #1
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 9:48 am, JHSII said:

    Conservatives not allowed.

    From Dilbert:
    Diverse – de longer you verk here, di verse it gets.

  2. #2
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 9:48 am, meatpieandtatters said:

    Diversity is a mental intoxicant used by the government to cover the fact that they’re trying to treat us all the same: badly.

  3. #3
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 am, DocattheAutopsy said:

    Our school has had local business leaders, mainly because we’re smaller and in rural Wisconsin, so we can’t attract big-time liberals.

    But if Ann Coulter was invited to give the commencement speech here, our faculty would still rise in revolt.

    Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.

  4. #4
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 9:56 am, radio relay said:

    Bloomberg has not taken guns from his body guards… Freakin’ hypocrite!!… and McCain is seriously considering that clown for VP?!?

    Also, agree with the rest of the article. Nothing new, actually. The left has a strangle hold on indoctrination centers posing as places of higher learning. We all know it.

    Rest in peace, George Carlin!!! (even though I know you didn’t believe in the “superstition”… God Bless You)

  5. #5
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 9:58 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Liberals….

  6. #6
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 9:59 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    My take on college commencement speakers:

    “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

    -George Carlin

  7. #7
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:03 am, Patchthebun said:

    Liberty University had Chuck Norris speak. Does that count?

    Heh.

  8. #8
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:07 am, lgm said:

    What they tell kids at commencement is to work for the betterment of their neighbors and country, to seek fulfilling work, and to remember those less fortunate. That’s a very liberal message.

    Maybe there should be equal time for: be greedy, your neighbors and country can take care of themselves, support the politicians who will ruin the country for the sake of lower taxes on the rich.

    Yes, it’s a diverse country.

  9. #9
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:13 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    UGH. The subject is bad enough. Then our idiot lgm shows up and I have to go run and puke.

    Be back in a few.

  10. #10
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 am, sausage said:

    Yes, it’s a diverse country.

    Thankfully..but it doesn’t take long for the whining from the white majority when they feel their culture is under threat….

    Maybe there should be equal time for: be greedy, your neighbors and country can take care of themselves, support the politicians who will ruin the country for the sake of lower taxes on the rich.

    “I think what the Republicans have done in past elections is brilliant. Because, they’ve convinced a lot of people to vote for them against their own economic self-interest, and they’ve done that by skillfully manipulating a handful of social issues, primarily abortion and gay rights and sometimes gun control, and the Republicans have used those to scare a lot of people into voting for Republican candidates. It’s skillful manipulation.”

    - John Grisham

  11. #11
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:21 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:07 am, lgm said:
    What they tell kids at commencement is to work for the betterment of their neighbors and country, to seek fulfilling work, and to remember those less fortunate. That’s a very liberal message.

    Maybe there should be equal time for: be greedy, your neighbors and country can take care of themselves, support the politicians who will ruin the country for the sake of lower taxes on the rich.

    Yes, it’s a diverse country.

    Making a living and being successful, and not having what you work hard to achieve being taken from you…is that your greed?

    Is not the ideal that people SHOULD be self sufficient and that people SHOULD take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions what makes individuals great? That standing on your OWN two feet makes you stronger, rather than standing on the corner asking for someone to give to you what you’re capable of earning on your own?

    The “rich” as you have put it, are already taxed into oblivion. Data from last years income tax returns indicate that approximately 86% of taxes are paid by the top 25% of those earning it. But then again, who needs to cut taxes for people who create jobs for others and keep our economy working.

    And besides, lgm..wasnt it you that said that your liberal lawyer/doctor/educator friends (who fall into the rich catagory, no?) earn all that money and keep our economy going? So you’re ok with giving your friends tax breaks…as long as they’re liberals? Kinda sounds like it.

    You’re an intellectual midget. How are you an educator when you have nothing of value to teach others?

  12. #12
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 am, sausage

    said:
    Yes, it’s a diverse country.
    Thankfully..but it doesn’t take long for the whining from the white majority when they feel their culture is under threat….

    And you’re not far behind lgm. Anyone can quote Grisham. You use the same one repeatedly because you have nothing of value to add to the discussion otherwise. It’s sad.

    And glad to see your racism comes out nice and clear first thing in the morning.

    And btw…I’m not white. So do I just not count in your world view? :)

    just saying.

  13. #13
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:30 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    lgm said:

    What they tell kids at commencement is to work for the betterment of their neighbors and country, to seek fulfilling work, and to remember those less fortunate. That’s a very liberal message.

    Maybe there should be equal time for: be greedy, your neighbors and country can take care of themselves, support the politicians who will ruin the country for the sake of lower taxes on the rich.

    Yes, it’s a diverse country.

    Yeh lgm the graduates believe all that crap until they get their first pay check and realize they’re being flogged. Lgm get a real job cupcake.

    I’m far from ‘rich’ yet the Democrat scum like Obama want to consider me upper middle class. STFU lgm, thanks bud.

  14. #14
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    lgm and sausage,
    Good intentions alone do not guarantee desirable outcomes. Just take a look at Johnson’ welfare state policies. Policies formed with good intentions may have unintended adverse secondary effects. But I guess none of that matters to either of you,since your idea of charity comes in the form of taxpayers’ money. How noble ignoble.

  15. #15
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am, graysonret said:

    What they tell kids at commencement is to work for the betterment of their neighbors and country

    Usually, I read Igm and let it ride, because it’s good to have opposing opinions around this blog, but I have to say that what you said, smacks of the former Soviet and today’s communistic states in the world. It is exactly what they teach their people…except “neighbors” and “country” is the State. Is that what you want in the future for the U.S.? You want a place where everyone works for the system and not for themselves? That philosophy has proven, time and time again, to be worthless. It doesn’t work. The ones who champion that philosophy are the ones who, of course, want to be in charge. That makes them exempt. It’s called “total power”. You prefer to live under that sort of system? Or, are you hoping to gain power through it, at the expense of your “neighbors”? Really, Igm, you can go quite overboard in your views. Think, before you type. As far as the kids go, the indoctrination continues…even in commencement. The future voters, they hope, that will give the “elite socialists” that total power.

  16. #16
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:36 am, JT said:

    lgm,

    With all the liberal pablum spewed by those of your ilk, a commencement speaker that creates something other then bloavating hot air would be a refreshing change: an entrepreneur, a successful inventor, scientist, or engineer.

    Change the world through innovation and commerce, and use the rewards to start charities and foundations. See opportunity not victims like liberals do.

    God you people make me sick. I wish there was an island where you morons can go an leave real Americans alone.

    I think my kids will home schooled.

  17. #17
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:37 am, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 am, sausage said:

    Thankfully…but it doesn’t take long for the whining from the white majority when they feel their culture is under threat…

    See sausage’s soft bigotry of low expectations on display! According to the wiener, only whites are honest, hard-working and patriotic. If you’re darker than George Hamilton, you’re incapable of joining “white culture.”

    Hocccch-ptui to you.

  18. #18
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:37 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    30 pcs of silver said:

    Good intentions alone do not guarantee desirable outcomes. Just take a look at Johnson’ welfare state policies. Policies formed with good intentions may have unintended adverse secondary effects. But I guess none of that matters to either of you,since your idea of charity comes in the form of taxpayers’ money. How noble ignoble.

    I just made a nice donation to the Salvation Army over the weekend sausage and lgm. How much did you donate? I bet I thought about the poor and the needy more in the past two days than you two idiots have in the past 6 months.

  19. #19
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 am, JT said:

    Goldwater,

    You are right. I am willing to bet the if you compare liberals to conservatives, the conservatives are far more giving.

    I find Liberals to be quite tight fisted and lousy tippers too. They also treat wait staff and other low wage workers like crap.

  20. #20
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 am, misterbee241 said:

    What they tell kids at commencement is to work for the betterment of their neighbors

    My neighbor is of sound mind and body – why should I work for his betterment when he’s capable of working for his own betterment?
    This is just a load of rubbish.

  21. #21
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:47 am, Barry F. said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:07 am, lgm said:

    Yet another liberal voice indocrinating children at an American university. :roll:

  22. #22
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 am, Truesoldier said:

    Here is some of a commencemnet speech that has true inspiration:

    I’m the fifth President of the United States to address a Notre Dame commencement. The temptation is great to use this forum as an address on a great international or national issue that has nothing to do with this occasion. Indeed, this is somewhat traditional. So, I wasn’t surprised when I read in several reputable journals that I was going to deliver an address on foreign policy or on the economy. I’m not going to talk about either.

    This Nation was born when a band of men, the Founding Fathers, a group so unique we’ve never seen their like since, rose to such selfless heights. Lawyers, tradesmen, merchants, farmers — 56 men achieved security and standing in life but valued freedom more. They pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. Sixteen of them gave their lives. Most gave their fortunes. All preserved their sacred honor.

    They gave us more than a nation. They brought to all mankind for the first time the concept that man was born free, that each of us has inalienable rights, ours by the grace of God, and that government was created by us for our convenience, having only the powers that we choose to give it. This is the heritage that you’re about to claim as you come out to join the society made up of those who have preceded you by a few years, or some of us by a great many.

    Ronald Reagan May 17, 1981 Now that is truly an inspiring commencement!

  23. #23
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:49 am, misterbee241 said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am, graysonret said:

    Is that what you want in the future for the U.S.? You want a place where everyone works for the system and not for themselves?

    Yes, that’s exactly what liberals/democrats/socialist/communists/marxists want – a population completely dependent on and controlled by the State. After all, it has been such a success in Europe and the old Soviet Union.

  24. #24
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:53 am, DesertLover said:

    Liberals all seek the establishment of a bourgeois middle-class society …

    The problem is that each and every one of them also thinks that when it happens they will be among the ruling class making all the decisions for their great society … classical “do as I say not as I do” mentality …

    Utopia does not exist … never has been and never will be successful …

    Human nature is to strive for the betterment of oneself and ones situation … despite all the efforts at creating such societies – whose abject failures are well documented in world history – these people think it can still work because “they can make it work” where others couldn’t … just more of the same old delusional thinking processes …

  25. #25
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 am, tre said:

    When there are liberal speakers, it appears Conservatives either listen respectively, or just don’t go.

    But, when Conservatives like Ann Coulter speak, she gets assaulted with pies. Or when the head of the Minute Men speaks, liberals try to shout him down and hold banners up in front of him.

    Liberals appear to believe that freedom of speach and expression only apply to them.

  26. #26
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 am, wighttrasch said:

    Whatever you do, don’t speak to college grads about success or hard work! lgm & sausage will think it is alternately ‘greedy’ and ‘racist’. Better to tell them it’s their parents’ fault that the world is warming up, and to concentrate on buying curlycue lightbulbs.

  27. #27
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am, jsr said:

    sausage, lgm

    How have you two worked for the betterment of the community and and remembered others less fortunate? I’m talking about real, solid contributions like donating significant amounts of your money and time to these ends. Note: this does not include advocating higher taxes for other people, or supporting people that would do so.

    Every time I ask this question of a liberal I draw a blank, while this supposedly ‘greedy’ conservative can give numerous examples of my generosity. Please liberals, for once show us your personal dedication to help the suffering.

  28. #28
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:03 am, swmbo said:

    Maybe there should be equal time for: be greedy, your neighbors and country can take care of themselves, support the politicians who will ruin the country for the sake of lower taxes on the rich.

    We use different dictionaries LGM. My definitions.

    Be greedy – Keep what I EARN. Nothing given to me.

    My Neighbors – Unless they are elderly or disabled, can GET A JOB and keep what THEY EARN.

    The sake of lower taxes – That means I can KEEP WHAT I EARN.

  29. #29
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    jsr,
    don’t hold your breath… I fully expect lgm to retort that he gives to planned parenthood and other liberals causes but the poor, nah. That’s what the government is for. *rolls eyes*

  30. #30
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 am, swmbo said:

    Oh, forgot something.

    Can’t get a job – Deport illegal immigrants so I can get a job and KEEP WHAT I EARN.

  31. #31
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:06 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am, jsr said:

    they wont. they believe government exists to do that.

    I think a good challenge is to see them donate to the coming project michelle has, and donate something to the troops. I mean, they take up space on the website here…time to give back, no?

    If that’s not good enough, how about other worthy charities?

    How about Make A Wish? This is one of my personal favorites, and one i support directly.

    Or, you could donate time or money to Soldier’s Angels (as featured here many times) and help that way?

    How about St. Jude’s Children’s Hospital? Those folks are doing amazing work and helping improve and save the lives of children every day.

    Or, pick your own.
    Don’t talk about it. Be about it.

  32. #32
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:07 am, txvet2 said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 10:53 am, DesertLover said:

    Liberals all seek the establishment of a bourgeois middle-class society …

    One of us mis-remembers his Marx.

  33. #33
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:07 am, JT said:

    tre,

    Bingo! We’ve got the class to listen even though we may disagree. Liberals/socialists/marxists don’t even have the common class to have a Conservative speaker on campus, whether attending the speech or not.

  34. #34
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:11 am, Just A Grunt said:

    In the words of Paul Harvey, here is the rest of the story regarding Clarence Thomas speaking at UGA. It was the faculty that was up in arms over Clarence Thomas coming to speak. In a rare scene of clear thinking, well clear thinking for U of GA students, they stood up to the administrators and demanded that Clarence Thomas be allowed to speak. The students spoke truth to power, to borrow a phrase so much in vogue with the left.

  35. #35
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:21 am, JeffC... said:

    Back in April, I found out that my alma mater, Carnegie Mellon, invited AlGore to give the commencement address. A few weeks before the address, some current student had the misfortune of calling me to ask for a donation for the school’s fundraising drive. When the kid hit the part of the pitch about Carnegie Mellon’s status as a great engineering and scientific research school, I asked how they could pay a junk-science huckster to give a speech on campus. No more money from me for a while.

  36. #36
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 am, DogBreath said:

    Ah the classic liberal. Someone who feels a great debt to humanity and wants you to pay it.

    The intellectually bankrupt leftists that pose as educators don’t want their four years of brainwashing undone by a 15-30 minute commencement speech.

    They’ve worked hard to vacuum out all the “uncommon sense” that parents have instilled in their children and to even raise doubt in the youngsters minds might frustrate their plans.

    They might even start to think for themselves!

  37. #37
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm, Katycue said:

    Abstractmind #10, you said it beautifully. I have never believed that anyone should expect life in this country to be particularly easy. I don’t think that was the intention from the beginning – I think this is supposed to be the land of opportunity.

  38. #38
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 12:47 pm, Katycue said:

    But of course we help those in need and always have.

  39. #39
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 pm, 29Victor said:

    Don’t the students usually choose the commencement speaker?

    Since college is, for most students, an extended adolescence where they get to live for another four years or so off of their parents or the government while being told what to think by leftist professors who revel in indoctrinating these sheep-agers into the worldview of the government-funded American higher education echo chamber [breathe] why should we be at all surprised that the flock would choose speakers that the shepherds find acceptable?

  40. #40
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    katycue,
    Conservatives donate more money and blood than Liberals. There is nothing pleasant about having to write that, it just speaks to how they do not walk the talk.

  41. #41
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    Maybe a more full listing of 2008 Commencement Speakers will reveal the diversity that the cherry-picking of the Washington Times article failed to capture.

  42. #42
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 1:09 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    TheOtherSide said:

    Maybe a more full listing of 2008 Commencement Speakers will reveal the diversity that the cherry-picking of the Washington Times article failed to capture.

    Can you say patchouli oil and tye dye?

  43. #43
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm, graysonret said:

    I heard it’s true that conservatives give more of their money to charity than liberals. Maybe so. I know, for one, I give a lot of money to various charities and groups. Heck, I just donated some money to support a track team from a H.S., I don’t even know where the H.S. is! Heard about it; but being new here, don’t know where. I support the homeless shelters too. I gave 4 years of my life to working with the homeless. Mitch Snyder. Places, like St. Jude’s get some money too. But, I am also in strong favor for people helping themselves too. The wise saying, “Give a person a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a person to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”, makes a lot of sense that our liberal politicians and friends can’t quite grasp. It all boils down to…power and votes.

  44. #44
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 1:28 pm, atheling said:

    PJ O’Rourke gave a great commencement address, of which I have excerpted:

    2. Don’t be an idealist!

    Don’t chain yourself to a redwood tree. Instead, be a corporate lawyer and make $500,000 a year. No matter how much you cheat the IRS, you’ll still end up paying $100,000 in property, sales and excise taxes. That’s $100,000 to schools, sewers, roads, firefighters and police. You’ll be doing good for society. Does chaining yourself to a redwood tree do society $100,000 worth of good?

    Idealists are also bullies. The idealist says, “I care more about the redwood trees than you do. I care so much I can’t eat. I can’t sleep. It broke up my marriage. And because I care more than you do, I’m a better person. And because I’m the better person, I have the right to boss you around.”

    Get a pair of bolt cutters and liberate that tree.

    Who does more for the redwoods and society anyway — the guy chained to a tree or the guy who founds the “Green Travel Redwood Tree-Hug Tour Company” and makes a million by turning redwoods into a tourist destination, a valuable resource that people will pay just to go look at?

    So make your contribution by getting rich. Don’t be an idealist.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-orourke4-2008may04,0,288835.story?track=rss

    BTW, I wonder when’s the last time lgm or sausage even did any “hands on” help for the poor? You know, like cooking 20 homeless people dinner in a church hall, where they will spend a cold winter’s night, as the conservative Christians in my parish did? Or perhaps go to a homeless shelter and paint the building, or repair the roof, as the conservative Christians in my parish do? Or volunteer to take homebound seniors to their doctor’s appointments, as the conservative Christians in my parish do?

    3…2…1…? Sausage? lgm?

  45. #45
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm, jsr said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am, jsr said:
    sausage, lgm

    How have you two worked for the betterment of the community and and remembered others less fortunate?

    Crickets….

    Note: This is the same response I got from lgm when I asked him about his first hand experience with the hispanic community after he made some talking-point comments about how wonderful it was. I guess being a liberal means never having to have hands-on knowledge and experience with your causes.

  46. #46
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm, grumbles said:

    Jason Mattera…..when did he get back from Iraq?

  47. #47
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm, abstractmind said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm, Katycue said:
    Abstractmind #10, you said it beautifully. I have never believed that anyone should expect life in this country to be particularly easy. I don’t think that was the intention from the beginning – I think this is supposed to be the land of opportunity.

    Thanks katy!
    You are absolutely correct. We live in one of the greatest countries and societies in the history of human civilization. People in our country have wonderful opportunities to pursue both wealth and knowledge, which is something unheard of (and sometimes punished) in other parts of the world.

    Liberals would have you feel guilty for being successful, because someone else doesn’t have the same things that you possess.

    It escapes them that a little elbow grease goes a long way.

    They would have you believe us conservatives (and not just the white ones, sausage) would see people starve in the streets and die, rather than share a penny.

    The truth, however, is far from what’s presented. Look at conservatives who give and donate their time and money. Then compare to liberals. See who does what.

  48. #48
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    What they tell kids at commencement is to work for the betterment of their neighbors

    By what? Giving them more money and telling them it’s okay to play the victim?

    and country, to seek fulfilling work,

    Ptttttfffttt! Not with welfare for all those “supressed” victims.

    and to remember those less fortunate.

    As long as the liberals themselves don’t have to sacrifice anything.

    That’s a very liberal message.

    It sure is.

    Maybe there should be equal time for: be greedy,

    Well, there is the Obama campaign…

    your neighbors and country can take care of themselves,

    That’s really what life was created to do, LGM. It’s the republicans who are more willing to lend a helping hand by saving money and giving it to the people who REALLY need it!

    support the politicians who will ruin the country for the sake of lower taxes on the rich.

    As opposed to the ones who will let radical Islam conquer the West and kill every single liberal.

    Yes, it’s a diverse country.

    Unfortunately, yes. Diversity has become a negative idea, thanks to liberals like you, LGM.

  49. #49
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm, lgm said:

    jsr said (#27):

    How have you two worked for the betterment of the community and and remembered others less fortunate? I’m talking about real, solid contributions like donating significant amounts of your money and time to these ends.

    Aside from coaching local kids’ sports and supporting my local house of worship, I contribute thousands of dollars a year to organizations dedicated to American values — the constitution and freedom: the ACLU, Amnesty International, NARAL, Doctors without Borders, etc.

    Of course, I would not be able to afford all that if I were not an elite liberal.

  50. #50
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:31 pm, ex-expat said:

    The real question is no matter who is speaking, are the graduates actually listening, or more likely thinking, “Hey man, hurry up so I can get my sheepskin!’??

  51. #51
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm, abstractmind said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm, lgm said:

    While I don’t know this for certain, I would have to call shenanigans. The moment you said you gave to a “house of worship”…i stopped believing you were telling the truth.

    Just saying.

  52. #52
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm, wighttrasch said:

    what? no NAMBLA?

  53. #53
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:55 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    wight,
    That’s where the donations for 2009 will go.

  54. #54
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm, wighttrasch said:

    I just blew coke out of my nose. (cola)

  55. #55
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm, HeatherRadish said:

    work for the betterment of their neighbors and country

    But don’t invent anything useful, or devise a new way to get it to more people cheaper, because that’s WRONG, you selfish bastard. *rolls eyes*

  56. #56
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 3:05 pm, HeatherRadish said:

    Don’t work for a company that makes products that help people to live longer, or better, or happier, because that’s WRONG, you selfish bastard.

  57. #57
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm, HeatherRadish said:

    And for Gaia’s sake, don’t work in an occupation that allows you to house, feed, and educate your families, pay your own medical bills and save for your own retirement without requiring government largesse for your daily needs, you SELFISH BASTARDS!!

  58. #58
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm, atheling said:

    lgm proved my point.

    He has absolutely no hands on experience in assisting the poor. Talk about an elitist ivory tower existence.

  59. #59
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 3:30 pm, Yashmak said:

    What they tell kids at commencement is to work for the betterment of their neighbors and country, to seek fulfilling work, and to remember those less fortunate. That’s a very liberal message.

    – lgm

    I’m not typically into name-calling. I try to avoid it, even when it comes to obvious trolls with nothing to contribute. Today I’m going to step away from that. How someone with enough intelligence to be a math teacher can also be such an outright idiot is beyond me. Do you think that your quote above is not also a conservative message? Are you really that hateful of those across the political fence? I believe the message you wrote there motivates adherents to BOTH parties. To think any less is simply unrealistic.

    Maybe there should be equal time for: be greedy, your neighbors and country can take care of themselves, support the politicians who will ruin the country for the sake of lower taxes on the rich.

    Taxes. You mean, like the indirect tax on our foodstuffs caused by government subsidies on ethanol? The taxes that will be necessary to support Obama’s universal health plans? You’re an even greater fool if you think for one moment that greed has any less of a place in the hearts of the Dem elected than in those of the Republicans. Cash in a freezer anyone?

  60. #60
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 3:44 pm, 29Victor said:

    lol…
    lgm gives thousands of dollars a year to improve the condition of poor, starving lawyers and thinks he’s helping the “less fortunate.” That’s pretty much liberalism in NUTshell, isn’t it?

  61. #61
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 3:57 pm, jsr said:

    Aside from coaching local kids’ sports and supporting my local house of worship, I contribute thousands of dollars a year to organizations dedicated to American values — the constitution and freedom: the ACLU, Amnesty International, NARAL, Doctors without Borders, etc.

    Like most liberals you are confusing charitable donations and agenda driven donations. When I say I am involved with a charity I only include organizations with no overt or covert political agenda such as American Red Cross. (I could list some others I have been involved with but I have already done so on previous posts.) My donations/volunteer work with conservative advocacy groups do not count.

    Of course being involved with your kids is always a good thing, as is giving to your ‘house of worship’(is that like a church or temple, or do liberals have something else? Or are they not allowed to say what it is because any mention of religion in public is a major faux pas?) As you know NARAL and ACLU are institutions with a very liberal political agenda. This is more like donating to a political party, not a charity so this does not count. Amnesty International and Doctors Without Borders do good work but often seem to have an Anti-American overtone that fits quite neatly with the liberal worldview, but I will give you partial credit. I still don’t see the personal committment to alleviating poverty that you wish to impose on others through more taxation.

  62. #62
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 5:08 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm, abstractmind said:

    On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm, lgm said:

    While I don’t know this for certain, I would have to call shenanigans.

    Yep, my BS meter just went off the scale.

  63. #63
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 5:15 pm, lgm said:

    Yashmak said (#59):

    I’m not typically into name-calling….even when it comes to obvious trolls.

    Conservatives do irony better than liberals.

    How someone with enough intelligence … can also be such an outright idiot is beyond me. … Are you really that hateful of those across the political fence?

    I don’t hate honest conservatives. But I do return insults.

  64. #64
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 5:54 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    lgm said:

    Of course, I would not be able to afford all that if I were not an elite liberal.

    Now you sound like a turd from Manhattan.
    You’re not donating anything in the name of fellowship or brotherhood. You’re trying to see what you can get out of schmoozing with hard-line affiliations.
    It’s energizing isn’t it lgm?

  65. #65
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 6:28 pm, terrig said:

    Goldwater Knight-the clown gives to naral, what else is there to be said for him. I hope one day he realizes that he’s killed millions with his donations but he’s probably proud that he’s helped snuff out the lives of those who couldn’t speak for themselves.

  66. #66
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 7:20 pm, Yashmak said:

    Conservatives do irony better than liberals.

    -lgm

    And apparently, liberals do taking quotes out of context better than conservatives, as two sentences after the clip you cut from my comment, I proclaimed. . .

    Today I’m going to step away from that.

    I’m now even more confident of my assessment of you than I was before.

    But I do return insults.

    – lgm

    So please, tell me, specifically whose insult were you ‘returning’ in comment #8? No one even mentioned you before that, or do you now presume to speak for all liberals? How very delusively grand of you! Hell, there’s only one comment before yours that anyone could argue is even an insult against liberals in general (#5). . .and it’d be a rough argument. You can’t return an insult you didn’t receive.

  67. #67
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 8:36 pm, lgm said:

    Yashmak said, without editing:

    I’m not typically into name-calling. I try to avoid it, even when it comes to obvious trolls with nothing to contribute. Today I’m going to step away from that. How someone with enough intelligence to be a math teacher can also be such an outright idiot is beyond me.

    with editing

    I’m not typically into name-calling….even when it comes to obvious trolls.

    The quote is not verbatim, but it is accurate. Dummy says he/she doesn’t insult, then insults in the next two sentences.

    It reminds me of something Margaret Thacher is supposed to have said about her successor, conservative John Major: “I shall not comment on his abysmal performance.”

  68. #68
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 8:57 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    You suck at math lgm.

  69. #69
    On June 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 pm, lgm said:

    Goldwater Knight said (#68):

    You suck at math.

    And you know this how? Maybe you know how to express the number 2 as a product of primes in the Gaussian integers? Maybe you remember the Poisson summation formula and some of its applications?

  70. #70
    On June 24th, 2008 at 4:07 am, Truesoldier said:

    Yet LGM, with all your mathmeatical genuis you , and other liberals, still can not seem to grasp how the laws of supp;y and demand work. For example, liberals block increasing the supply of oil; yet they cry foul when the same supply shortage and increased demand drive the prices of oil higher and higher. So please oh please Mr. Math Wizard explain to me how, in this simple math equation:

    Supply – Demand = cost

  71. #71
    On June 24th, 2008 at 4:15 am, Truesoldier said:

    It should read:

    So please oh please Mr. Math Wizard explain to me how, in this simple math equation, it is the oil companies responisble for high oil prices:

    Supply – Demand = cost

  72. #72
    On June 24th, 2008 at 4:49 am, AlohaGuy said:

    Way OT:

    Maybe you remember the Poisson summation formula and some of its applications?

    OK, let me guess an application. In those little guitar tuners maybe?

    Maybe you know how to express the number 2 as a product of primes in the Gaussian integers?

    I earned that D in calculus, and I can prove it: 2 = -i (1+i)^2

  73. #73
    On June 24th, 2008 at 9:42 am, lgm said:

    Truesoldier said (#71):

    Supply – Demand = cost

    Elementary, my dear — actually an elementary mistake. This equation can’t be right because the two sides have different units. Supply and demand are measured in units of product (or units per unit time), not currency.

    AlohaGuy (#72)

    2 = -i (1+i)^2

    You got the goods!

  74. #74
    On June 24th, 2008 at 10:07 am, Yashmak said:

    The quote is not verbatim, but it is accurate. Dummy says he/she doesn’t insult, then insults in the next two sentences.

    -lgm

    Comprehensive reading is not your strong suit I see. Let me bold the relevant portion of my quote:

    I’m not typically into name-calling. I try to avoid it, even when it comes to obvious trolls with nothing to contribute. Today I’m going to step away from that.

    I note you completely ignored my pertinent question to you. . .I assume it’s because you have no adequate answer as usual.

  75. #75
    On June 24th, 2008 at 11:28 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    lgm said:

    And you know this how? Maybe you know how to express the number 2 as a product of primes in the Gaussian integers? Maybe you remember the Poisson summation formula and some of its applications?

    I care nothing for Gauss because I don’t deal with electric or magnetic fields. The only number I care about in regards to Poisson is 0.3 for steel. The math I use on a daily basis is concrete and has real life application, not abstract bullsh*t.

    Do you know how to calculate the plastic moment for a composite section and then derive its location?

  76. #76
    On June 24th, 2008 at 11:32 am, DBNinKY said:

    Supply and demand are measured in units of product (or units per unit time), not currency.

    I do not assume to put words in True Soldier’s mouth, but I think it’s implicit to his formula that supply and demand are measured in real dollar units, just as cost; so, I think you’re playing semantics with his premise.

  77. #77
    On June 24th, 2008 at 11:36 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    lgm said:

    Supply – Demand = cost

    Where the supply and demand curve intersects derive the good’s market cost to the consumer, manufacturer, etc.

    It’s not an equation, it’s a graphical analysis.

  78. #78
    On June 24th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, lgm said:

    Goldwater Knight said (#75):

    Do you know how to calculate the plastic moment for a composite section and then derive its location?

    Did I claim to be an engineer?

    and again (#77):

    Supply – Demand = cost

    It’s not an equation, it’s a graphical analysis.

    and that = sign is just to throw us off?

  79. #79
    On June 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    lgm said:

    Supply – Demand = cost
    It’s not an equation, it’s a graphical analysis.
    and that = sign is just to throw us off?

    No idiot, ever hear of the supply and demand curve? It’s a god damn simple graph. It’s how you detemine the cost of a good in microeconomics. You should stick to the “A Beautiful Mind” abstract math bullsh*t. Here try solving this one lgm.

  80. #80
    On June 24th, 2008 at 3:07 pm, brushman said:

    lgm – I know you’re a teacher, and I assume it’s for a public institution. Therefore, you are probably tenured and cannot be fired. I get real tired of hearing any educator living off the taxpayer lecturing the rest of us about how bad you have it, and how the taxpayer who wants to keep more of his own dough is selfish and uncaring.

    I work for a large corporation as a salesman. My company produces consumer goods that are sold through a large network of retail dealer locations. Whenever I hear lefties such as Obama insisting that businesses and taxpayers are not paying enough, I get furious. These dealers are not piggy banks that politicians can dip into to fund any worthless government program they find attractive. Many of these dealers operate fleets of vehicles used for their own service calls. With the higher gas prices and proposed higher taxes, the dealer can only respond in a limited numbers of ways. They cannot simply vote themselves more money like the politicians. They can only raise prices (making themselves less competitive), cut their service (again making themselves less competitive), or reduce their workforce (that means firing people).

    And when the consumer pays higher taxes, he makes his own decisions. He may not buy the new house, car, shoes for his kids, thereby reducing economic activity and hurting the economy.

    lgm, it’s easy for you to sit there and insist that higher taxes are a good thing. You don’t understand that higher taxes actually hurt the economy from top to bottom. Add onto the taxes the oppresive restrictions imposed by Government (Sarbanes-Oxley, anyone?), and it’s no wonder that many business are in dire straits.

    On a personal note: I am judged daily on my performance by my sales figures. I can be terminated at any time and for any reason. Since you have no expirience you won’t recognize this as the real world. This is not a complaint, in fact it is a motivator, to put in better numbers than my fellow salesmen. If I had the job security you do, I wouldn’t have to work near as hard, and the performance of the company would suffer. It must be nice knowing that once you’re tenured, you could become a complete slackard with no fear of retribution. This gives you the ability to sit there in judgement of the rest of us. BTW – are you off for the summer and still collecting a paycheck? Bet you still have health insurance and all the nice perks even while you’re loafing for the summer.

  81. #81
    On June 24th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, jsr said:

    brushman- You are suffering from the delusion that you have the right to the fruits of your labor. Don’t you know you have neighbors that are not as motivated as you and can’t take care of themselves? You must be one of the greedy rich that want to destroy the country by paying less taxes. Now get stop complaining and get back to work because your neighbors are getting hungry.

  82. #82
    On June 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pm, brushman said:

    jsr- you’re right. I am properly chastised. How inappropiate of me to make the assumption that my money is my own, and not subject to confiscation by a bureaucrat who is smarter than I.

    I know – let’s ask lgm what to do with it. After all, he probably wants a raise after his intense labors of the past year, and can only get one by shaking down the taxpayers.

  83. #83
    On June 24th, 2008 at 6:36 pm, lgm said:

    brushman and jsr

    Complaining about taxes is like complaining about your credit card bill. It won’t go down until you start spending less. Right now, our huge debt is damaging our economy — making it harder for companies to hire salesmen. Balance the budget — by raising taxes if necessary — and the economy will improve. Bill Clinton proved that. Bush showed that huge tax cuts don’t necessarily help the economy.

    Actually there is one difference. We don’t have the option of letting our kids pay our credit card bill, but we can force our kids to pay our taxes for us. It’s called budget deficit — Republican specialty since Reagan.

  84. #84
    On June 24th, 2008 at 8:28 pm, jsr said:

    lgm- I’ll agree 100% running budget deficits is a form of financial never-never land just like credit cards. (The Republicans continually let me down on this and only get my support because I consider the alternative far worse.) As I learned years ago, and you even point out, with both deficits and credit cards the answer is to SPEND LESS. That means no new programs for government and no new toys for individuals. Period.

    Back to credit cards and debt. Most debt counselers, will tell you that people with huge, uncontrolled debt (like our government) don’t have income problems (like our government). The problem is on the spending side (like our government). You might want to check out Dave Ramsey, a very popular radio show that focuses on this subject. Plus it has the added benefit of following Rush Limbaugh so you won’t even have to change your radio station!

  85. #85
    On June 24th, 2008 at 8:32 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    Empirical Support Fot Reaganomics:

    * On 8 of the 10 key economic variables examined, the American economy performed better during the Reagan years than during the pre- and post-Reagan years.
    * Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.
    * Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency.
    * The only economic variable that was worse in the Reagan period than in both the pre- and post-Reagan years was the savings rate, which fell rapidly in the 1980s. The productivity rate was higher in the pre-Reagan years but much lower in the post-Reagans years.

    Advocates of the Laffer curve contend that the tax cuts did lead to a near doubling of tax receipts ($517 billion in 1980 to $1,032 billion in 1990), so that the deficits were actually caused by an increase in government spending. That spending was used to end the Cold War moron. Don’t get cute with me lgm.

  86. #86
    On June 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm, DBNinKY said:

    On June 24th, 2008 at 6:36 pm, lgm said:

    Bill Clinton proved that.

    Patently untrue.

    The economy froze when Clinton’s tax increases were passed in 1993, and you know it. Dick Morris said in an interview just this morning that the capital gains tax cuts he and the Republicans got Clinton to sign into law were directly responsible for the unprecedented rise in gov revenues and surpluses of the ’90′s – and not Clinton’s tax increases.

    And seeing that Morris was Clinton’s closest advisor at that time, I think we may consider him somewhat of an authority on the issue, wouldn’t you agree?

    In fact, Morris also said that if B. Hussein Obama should mistakenly be elected this fall (Morris’ words), the doubling of the capital gains tax Obama is proposing will undoubtly lead our already weakened economy into a deep recession.

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