What the McCain campaign doesn’t need
Rich Lowry at NRO believes John McCain needs a new advisor such as Bill Kristol to help him focus on the “big picture” and end his constant zig-zagging on issues.
With all due respect, adding another Beltway political strategist to the McCain camp isn’t going to fix an un-fixable the problem. It’s not fundamentally flawed messaging, it’s a fundamentally flawed candidate. The sooner Republicans reconcile themselves to that, the better.
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Meanwhile, as Ed Driscoll notes, the endless series of unforced errors by the Obama gaffe machine is being squandered. A damned shame.
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I think I’m beginning to see your problem….
Of course the people who designed this country assumed that the people would have enough sense to vote for their own best interests, rather then for whoever they were told to vote for.
That’s the real problem here, not McCain or Obama. The American people no longer deserve freedom. In fact they seem to be working frantically to get rid of it.
Stop telling lies and whining about “civility” when people point out that you are lying.
And stop thrashing the site and MM, and then expecting them to gallop to your rescue and ban people who have the audacity to make note of your dishonesty.
#200:
Is this the loss of civility that you lament?
True, that.
BTW flenser, your point to Irish Rose could have been made a little more tactfully. I can appreciate your frustration, but “more flies with honey than with vinegar”.
I’m just sayin’ . . .
Maybe MM does not see the purpose of her blog/forum as being to provide a place where mouthy McCainiacs like you (who are happy to fill the pews with illegals) can put her in the dock.
Everyday it saddens me to read how unhappy you are here. I just wish I could think of some way that you could escape the compulsion you have to come her and subject yourself to all of this ugliness.
point taken, it was a bad choice on my part, I apologize.
Wiseman #141
1 - he should stick to the word he gave the base during the primaries when he said he “had heard us and would enforce the border first.” Instead, he panders to whichever audience he is speaking to, and given his past history on this issue, that’s not encouraging as all. Not to mention, for all of his pandering, he’s still not going to get anything approaching a majority of Hispanics, which is what he really cares about.
2 - Grow some balls on oil exploration/drilling, instead of his tepid pronouncements so far. And for God’s sake, quit comparing a lunar landscape like the portion of ANWR that would be drilled to the Grand Canyon. It’s a total, gutless pander to the enviro-nazi’s and their whole nimby-ist mentality of never drilling on our soil while everybody else drills on theirs and we become dependent on them.
3 - Lose the anti-capitalist schtick. Profits are not a bad thing McCain, they’re actually a good thing. Businesses that make profits also make new jobs, which helps everybody. Quit playing along with those that bash the oil speculators, who speculate on a constricted supply because people like McCain haven’t had the balls to demand we drill here and drill now.
There’s 3 for you. All constructive criticisms.
Instead of making excuses for the guy, why don’t you at least have the courage to admit he’s made some serious, base-alienating screw-ups on all of those issues, and perhaps even write him a letter telling him so. Maybe he’ll change. (Not holding my breath).
I see Irish Rose is still continuing her abusive behavior towards Michelle and anyone who disagrees with her.
Michelle doesn’t need to respond to Irish Rose. Since when is Irish Rose the moderator or the boss?
Nah. She’s still mad because I called her Cactus Rose.
I almost missed this little gem, thank you. Because like McCain they think that true conservatives will have no choice but to vote for him despite being Democrat-light aka RINO. So instead of appealing to conservatives by *gasp* actually listening to them, he is instead having closed door meetings with illegal alien groups while talking out both sides of his mouth about how he wants to secure the border. That’s why he is giving conservatives the middle finger, because he knows that people are sheep who are going to vote en mass for one or the other in the largest political parties. So why bother actually listening to conservatives when he can pander to sentiment against his opponent.
Neither party has officially selected or blessed their candidate in a traditional manner, ie:, at a convention. It is not too late to chuck both “anointed” juans and juanabees.
Sad to see that many are so willing to accept what they are tossed and then will likely be the biggest whiners when the bottom falls out and the borders are gone, finito, ..
Considering some of the hateful screeds you have published here — including your rages against our host — your apppeal for moderator intervention makes me think you are in need of some anti-psychotic meds.
Dump McCain at the convention and get Romney in there. A first time for everything.
Perhaps the best thought-out post on this thread.
It’s easy for two camps to argue past one another, with neither winning over any converts. Tougher to come up with a workable plan, and for that I commend DesertLover.
What we have with the McCain candidacy is kind of like a political equivalent to a naval damage control exercise.
The first thing you do is to stop the flooding (i.e., prevent the donkeys from gaining a 3-way lock on the House, Senate and Presidency by at least denying them the White House). It’s pointless to worry about other matters if the ship goes down before you can get to the “B” list.
If you can keep the ship afloat, then deal with second-level problems like firefighting and correcting the list (i.e., salvaging muddle-headed takes on issues like immigration policy and “climate change”).
If you can control the fires and keep the ship on an even keel, the next thing to think about is re-firing the boilers and getting underway again (i.e., finding better conservative candidates to stand for elections beginning in 2010).
What you can’t afford to do is for everyone to stand around arguing along these lines while there’s water pouring in:
“We have two choices, the ship sinks or floats!”
“Huh-uh! We can always put on our life-jackets and jump overboard!”
“But we can save the ship if we work together!”
“Not under that captain!”
“But if we save the ship, once we get to shore we can look for another skipper.”
“No! I’m going to stick with my principles — no way am I going to lift a finger for ol’ ‘Cap’n zig-zag!’”
“If you jump ship, the water is full of sharks!”
“So? Go down with the ship, or be eaten, makes no difference — we’re screwed!”
– And meantime, of course, while everybody’s arguing, the ship goes down.
Bottom line, in the absence of perfect short-term solutions the strategy must turn to an incremental, longer-term approach that looks ahead to 2010, 2012 and beyond. Saving the damaged, burning, listing, dead-in-the-water and sinking ship that is the Republican Party will not be easy, pretty, or clean.
But it can be done, as long as the crew refuses to give in to panic and works methodically.
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On a related topic, I’ve noticed that a few people are trying to elicit some further comment from Michelle. My suggestion is that if you want to get her attention in the comments section, you’d best do it very early on. Her pattern suggests a “watchmaker” approach to her posts: she winds it up, observes it just long enough to see it start ticking, and then starts working on the next timepiece.
That, or email her; but from what I’ve heard, she seldom if ever replies to emails, either.
Wise_Man said: So far, I’ve seen “He won’t get my vote.” okay. Any other bright ideas?
I am a conservative. Doubt it all you want, but I am also a realist. And a conservative realist doesn’t want to see others voting for Obama and making him the next president while I vote for the constitution party and fall in line with the people who will get a few thousand votes when the election will be decided in the 62 to 59 million range of people voting for president.
If you disagree with the two party system and think that the people who participate in this and every years election are tools, then what you need to do is fundamentally change the system that we currently have. Until you do, this is having zero (excuse me, 0.00128% or whatever the constitution party will get as a percentage of votes) effect in the election.
The best a third party got recently was Ross Perot. With 18.9% of the vote to Bush’s 37.4% and Clinton’s 43.0% of votes, 44 million people. In that year, Andre Marrou (whoever he is) got 0.3% of the vote.
Maybe someone mentioned this before, but third parties are a pipe dream. Until the day that a third party ends up winning the whitehouse.
She is doing nothing of the kind.
I haven’t read all of the previous posts, but to say someone has a bizarre obsession over his/her kids going to Iraq sounds wrong. Our niece and others we knew were there, and we worried a lot. Is there something I missed?
What we need is a well-financed 527 group to do what the Swiftboaters for Truth did to Kerry. It would need no discernible ties to the candidates. The group would flood the airways with facts and quotes about Obama’s foreign policy and economic positions with reality showing where he is wrong.
Obama has given Republicans much ammunition, but they seem to be ignoring it.
#215:
bottom line, your analogy just calls for more of the same: keep electing RINOs and maybe we’ll have someone better next time. meanwhile, the RINOs drift further and further left. You got cute with the “arguing past each other” thing at the beginning, but what you boil it down to is: the only solution is to “Vote for John McCain”, thereby completely dismissing the other side. It looks nice, but it’s just the same thing repackaged in shiny paper.
Michelle, you are the engineer of the real straight talk express! I agree 100%.
Wise Man #12
You must have missed the other thread(s)…
Okay, here you go:
This is a two man race. You get either one or the other. And that is it. The point at which you get to choose between different candidates in the same party is called “the primaries.” After that, the way it works is that you end up voting for one of two choices. And has been stated multiple times in the past, any choice beyond the second is a waste. Sad but true. If you refuse to support the lesser of two evils then you are absolutely going to get the greater of two evils.
Some of us are able to see this as reality. And others still cling on to the “what-ifs” that have no bearing in reality. Then again, some people might still believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and unicorns.
How was that. (Like I don’t know what you are going to say already)
#221:
Nah, he was there. He just ignores everything except his own words.
my error
Wise Man #217
#222:
You failed immediately. Please refer to the criterion of not using Obama as a reason.
Yup.
That’s how it works. And the alternative is Obama.
I’m glad you understand now.
#225:
You ‘fail’ when you end up with Obama as the president for 4 or more likely 8 years.
Michelle: A clarification would be welcome.
Agreed, it was a nicy shiny package but the analogy was slightly flawed. Because by my observation the crew has been barely keeping the water from sinking the ship and has done little to nothing to put out any fires since Reagan. And all we have been doing for 20 years is barely keeping it afloat as it drifts futher and further out to sea and starting to look a lot more like the ship that inflicted all the damage to begin with.
Time to build a new ship at the shore while those two old warships continue trying to sink themselves.
It’s pretty rare for me to leave this blog in tears, but today I confess that I’ve had more than I can take.
If this is the type of support for our military personnel and their families that Michelle promotes and the flavor of conservatism that Michelle thinks is good for the Nation, then count me out… I don’t want any part of it.
My vote will go to the candidate who is best able to strengthen our military and protect our people from violent aggression.
That man is not Barack Obama.
Good day, all.
#227:
Why can’t you answer the question? See if you can give it a go again, this time following instructions.
- flenser
You have no idea how wrong you are.
- flenser
Quit pretending you can read my mind. You’re really not very good at it.
thirteen28, I agree with your suggestions about the direction McCain should take.
#230:
Oh, good grief. Drop the freaking martyr complex.
Regulus
Thanks … glad to see someone thinking long term around here …
one addition to your ship analogy …
what good is getting another captain if there is no longer a ship to sail …?
#231:
Why can’t you see reality?
The time to ask the question was during the republican primaries. Welcome to a few months ago.
#233:
Kindly drop the internet troll complex.
And flenser. . .do me a favor. Stop trying to get me to engage in some adolescent “my conservativism is bigger than yours” conversation. It’s pointless, and I’m not interested.
yashmak, first if you read my post, the 3rd largest party in the US is the Constitution Party. In some states it may be under the American Constitutional Party, you have to check your specific state and see. And, yes they are on the ballot.
Wise_man, please do not be dolt, I did not say Join the Constitution Party, I provided their platform for you to review. I never once said join, I did however provide you reasons as to why I am voting Constitution Party. However, the quote I took from the Constition Party’s website does suggest if you are tired of the Democrats and Republicans destroying our country to Join their Party. That is the Constitution Party, you selectively misquoting me and taking the quote from my comments out of context shows your inability to be intellectually honest and remain with the facts. This may be why you cannot see why others cannot vote for McCain, like him you won’t let facts get in your way and you will twist comments to fit your bullying point.
Khan #233
You have that exactly correct.
I get the impression that if the Republican and Democratic parties offered us the choice between Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler, we’d see a lot of people saying ” Well, those are the two choices we have! We must pick one of those two! The primaries are over! Time to deal with reality!”
I know you’re not interested in conservatism, other than to dislike it.
#235:
You could have just passed over my question entirely, but you didn’t. You attempted to answer but you immediately failed. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask you to try again. This is how you operate, though; you cling to logical fallacies, dodges, distortions, and generally ignoring anything and everything the opposing view puts forth. Then you have the audacity to later say, “why can’t anyone answer this…?”
IR said
And exactly how has this “paying attention” been demonstrated? Methinks by slapping “us” in the face.
Good day, Mother Sheehan.
You would stand a better chance of changing others minds without the snaky remarks. But as far as the nose goes, it would probably take a lot of clothes-pins.
#238:
The third largest party is the Libertarian party.
I will also note that Michelle Malkin has demonstrated more support for the military, their families, and conservatives in general than her detractors could ever hope to.
No one is selectively misquoting you, your original comment is plainly visible above.
The only people who are not letting the facts get in their way are the people who want to punish McCain, vote for someone who has ABSOLUTELY no chance of winning and in all likelihood will be bitching and complaining for the next 4 years of Obama - blaming the wrong people when they had an opportunity to stand up and be counted while they laid down and plaid dead.
Irish, sad to see you leave in tears. It is also unfortunate, because as the posts went on, you became more civil and in turn more logical (and you never waivered). The quote above is your best stated reasoning yet and not littered with additional jabs at those who aren’t voting McCain. You could win much more support for a plea like this.
In addition, you asked for ways us not voting for McCain would vote for him and you got about five to six educated responses. We can all be civil and not try to twist each other’s words and ignore facts and history like an unwise person (or man per say) would do or we can resort to touting our man as the best and everyone should go to hell.
Hope to see you back soon Irish and a well said plea like yours could win a lot of support.
Be prepared for the “your not dealing with reality” crap from wise_man. He doesn’t do well with historical analogies of having two bad choices to to pick from with major political parties. There were more candidates on the ballot than Hitler and Hindenburg too in Germany pre-WWII, they just happened to be the two largest contenders. A choice between two evils is no choice at all, I will vote for good over evil even if the good candidate is outnumbered in the millions.
Irish Rose, how do you connect supporting John McCain as supporting our troops? Where is the logic connecting of dots to come to that conclusion?
That is just like those supporting Obama saying that if you disagree with him you are a racist. It is the same illogical ploy to end the debate and close all freedom of speech the race baiters follow.
The debate is McCain’s liberal policies versus Obama’s liberal policies. McCain is a flawed candidate, period. But, he has won you over hook line and sinker based on one issue, that may not even be an issue in November. Bush has already discussed the lowering of the levels of military men in Iraq. There will be a gradual withdrawal beginning before November. Then what issue will you vote for McCain on, Immigration, Taxes or the Exonomy? It is the Economy that will decide this election, not Iraq.
Yes. Read all of Irish Roses comments on this thread. You misunderstood what she is worried about.
Grounded in reality, ok here goes. McCain can not change the past by flip flopping (synonym: pandering). His past has caught up to him and it is time to pay the piper. He is the wrong leader at the wrong time. More reality, the republican party has abandoned the conservatives and the results have been, and will continue to be, disastrous until they listen to the base and than act upon a return. They so far have refused. Enough reality for you?
Do you people understand that popular vote does not a president elect?
It is quite possible for a president to be elected with far far less than half of the popular vote.
Is there anyone here that thinks the President for the next 4 years will make any difference? I think the overwhelming victories for the House and Senate seats, by democrats, will switch the power to congress and the President will be pretty much a figurehead.
If anyone thinks McCain stands a prayer in hell’s chance of getting an SCOTUS appointment past the Senate, I would question your sanity.
Here is Irish Roses’ reasoning.
Everyone is free to vote their own beliefs. But Irish Roses need for revenge is not sufficent justification for me to vote for liberalism in America.
I supported this war for the pragmatic reasons laid out in the AUMF. If I’d known in advance how deranged it would cause the GOP to get I’d have acted differently.
Wade #252, if McCain is “the wrong leader at the wrong time,” then The Obamboozler is the even worse one.
flenser wrote earlier “don’t they teach civics in school anymore”? Look, mister, The United States of America is going to have a new President come January 20 (?), 2009, whether you like him/her or not. That’s why I write, given the choice of the two likely candidates, I choose McCain.
Yet others may go on about “sending a message to the GOP” through a vote for Bob Barr or whomever. $64,000 question: …and just what sort of message did the GOP get from Ross Perot (not an exact comparison, but I trust you get my point)?
I see a reasonable solution as:
a) Work on a Conservative party for the 2012 election (”chew gum”) and
b) vote McCain in 2008 (”walk at the same time”) to defend the US in this time.
khan, according to wikipedia:
The constituion party actually has a platform, which libertarian does not. The constitution party in each state may have a slighlty change in the name, but its membership is counted into the Constituion Party making it larger than the Libertarian.
See the registration total is what makes it the largest:
Just wanted to keep you informed as to facts. Also, the registration for the Constituion Party has increased since McCain became the Republican Candidate.
Also, one should note that the smaller conservative parties often endorse the Constitution Candidate. So when it comes voting time, there are far more voting Constitution Party rather than libertarian.
Yes. I do. Was 8 years of the Clintons complete with ignoring warnings about Osama and the near successful attempted takeover of the US health care system something that you liked seeing?
It makes a difference. And if you believe that it does not make a difference, then why are you bothering to comment here.
Who did you vote for in the primary Michelle?
For those of you wondering how the nominee of the Republican Party has such tepid support among the base - ask President Gore.
So what did the GOP get out of a Ross Perot entry into Presidential politics?
I bet we don’t all agree on that either.
Look mister, contrary to your earlier remarks that new President does not have to be a Democrat or a Republican. And the Republican nominee does not have to be John McCain.
A pretty good message. It brought about what in hindsight was the Golden Age of Republican conservatism in Congress.
Are you really unaware of what happened in ‘94? Not saying it was a direct factor, but…seriously.
#257:
The Libertarian Party most certainly has a platform, and I really don’t put any stock into wikipedia. Sorry.
8 years of the clintons? well just a year and a half of the clintons gave us Newt in the Congress and the Contract with America. That pushed all of Clinton’s positions to the center. Now, was Clinton good on terrorism? No, but that is not the only issue. And, if you don’t get the secure border you don’t get the ‘real’ next threat from the terrorists. The next threat is inside our borders.
So, no McCain doesn’t get it and he never did, nor will he ever. So long as he still insists on amnesty and open borders, which behind closed doors to La Raza, he has continued that platform. The man is a con. He is conning the Republicans. The Republican Party made a mistake by having open primaries dictate the party candidate.
Republicans did not choose McCain he was hoist upon them by Independents and Democrats meddling in the party’s primary process. The stupid party’s fault and now they are stuck with a fatally flawed candidate.
khan, the registration count was not by wikipedia but by Ballot Access News, they did an analysis of registration. It is the number of registered voters that makes the party size. Not how well the media markets them. You hear more from the Media regarding the Libertarian and Green party, but nothing about the Constitutional party, because they are conservative, socially as well as fiscally.
#259:
How is that anyone’s business?
Awesome.
And if more conservatism can come about from a liberal presidency, then one might think that you would vote for Obama to make that hope of yours flenser become a reality.
Is that what you are going to do? It’s okay, you can tell us. We’re all conservatives here.
So true uhang, plus they mention that nasty three letter word (being if you will), GOD and they mention him a lot! The media would certainly hate to promote that now wouldn’t they.
Can you imagine the abuse she would take from people who disagree with her if she answered that question?
Don’t worry…most conservatives I know don’t have a clue about what the top bloggers have to say because they are not on the internet for anything more than e-mail and other things not connected to politics…when I talk about what is being written they look at me like “get a life.” I may be better informed, but they are what they are…and they are millions…I don’t think millions are conversely hanging on the words of bloggers. The conservative Republicans I know are for McCain because he is a pro-life, war hero Republican and they are not dazzled by far-left Obama. McCain may win or lose, but not because of what some conservative bloggers write; if anything, he’ll lose because of voters who by into the more widely available MSM Obama love-fest and are dazzled by the $100 million Obama ad propaganda.
#266:
We’re going to have to disagree, not the least of which reason is the assumption that my info or awareness is derived from the Media. Now, even if I were to concede membership numbers (and I don’t), you cannot ignore that out of all the third parties, when it comes to public offices held, Libertarians hold more than any other third party. And, as you know, it is not a requirement to be a member of a party to vote for its candidate.
I mean, come on flenser. Why leave it up to chance, huh? If a democrat president that brings in good conservatives like Newt is as sure thing as much as a sure thing is, then why not help to make Obama the next president and vote for him. This is what you are advocating, right?
khan, you are right. we agree to disagree. and you are right about the offices held by libertarians. however, liberterian party has been around since the 70’s, where as the Constitutional Party has been around only since the 90’s. 20 year head start.
Thank you, agreed. On top of that, there are the decades of leftist Supreme Court judges which would be appointed by a Pres. Obamboozler…assuming said President wouldn’t let Iran do those kaboom things they do to us first.
- flenser
I’m saddened you think so. It’s disappointing when someone honestly believes something so totally off-base.
POINT 1
Rhetorical: …and on just what planet do you think that has of happening in reality in November 2008?
Thank you for showing all readers here the destructive nature of cynicism.
Michelle’s not looking to put Obama into office any more than I am.
The GOP has nobody to blame for this except themselves. They have fronted a deeply flawed candidate, and they will now reap the whirlwind.
If Obama simply smiles from here to November, he’s the next POTUS. This is his race to lose.
Why? Because McCain has already made more than a campaign’s worth of mistakes. The man is a disaster as a candidate.
Who here believes that people “on the fence” are coming here for advice or inspiration?
Anyone dumb enough to even consider voting for Obama is far too intellectually challenged to swim in these waters (as anything other than bait, or perhaps a lame provocateur…)
Michelle has no influence over November’s vote, any more than Kos does. The people at those sites have already made up their minds.
I have no idea what that was supposed to mean, but I’m guessing it means that you disagree that the 1990’s were the Golden Age of conservative Republicanism in Congress.
If that’s the case, can you explain your thinking?
For the most part, I think you’re correct.
- RobM1981
But the same can be said of Obama. . .but his many mistakes seem not to have an effect on his popularity.
witless man, I think I’ve been pretty consistent in advocating that conservatives vote for conservative candidates and let the chips fall where they may.
witless man
Man, if there was a “truth in internet commenting” law, you’d be so busted.
flenser … #284
now on that statement I must agree with you …
I see you are back to mocking me again. You do your side proud.
And you said that George Herbert Walker’s defeat “brought about what in hindsight was the Golden Age of Republican conservatism in Congress.” And that sounds pretty good, huh? Wouldn’t that be something you want to see again? Only one way for that to happen, right?
Right?
Like I said, are you going to leave this up to chance, or are you going to vote for Obama in the hopes that this punished McCain, RINOs and the GOP …. or just leave it up to chance. Come on, you can tell us the truth. We’re listening.
- flenser
Same goes for you, bud.
“We’re all conservatives here. “
Well, I am.
I am not so sure about you.
…. since you want McCain to loose and the only possible outcome of an Obama presidency (along with another ‘Golden Age of Republican conservatism in Congress’ that comes about magically when Obama is president or something like that)
Right. Because all REAL conservatives think John McCain’s the cats meow.
Geez.
Look, there are some exceptions, but the typical online McCain supporter is a pro-Iraw war liberal. It’s hard to miss that fact that this site and HotAir are well stocked with people who despise every part of the GOP, whether it’s the religious right, libertarians, or “true conservatives” as they so mockingly call them.
McCain is the leader of the Republican Party right now and Obama has nothing to do with that. Neither are a leader of the country at present.
“Because all REAL conservatives think John McCain’s the cats meow.”
Nope. McCain is a crappy candidate. And as I said before, this is now a two man race.
You do the math.
The next conservative comment you make on this site will be your first.
But entertain me. What sort of conservative are you? A Burkean? A Hayakian? Libertaian? Social con? Theocon? “True conservative”? Can you explain what it is that American conservatives want to conserve?
You give voters far too much credit.
So you mock my login name, and now you’re lying about me. Too bad this is all you are capable of. It’s really sad. For you, at least.
And as a lot of people have pointed out to you, you Stalinist hack, it’s not a two man race.
If you want to vote for McMoron that’s your right. And if other people want to vote for the Libertarian or Constitution party candidates, that is their right.
And if Obama ends up getting elected, the fault is yours for not voting for the Libertarian or Constitution candidates.
Same things liberal want to liberate viz: values, family, freedom, religion.property ownership, free enterprise…..
Kristol the NEOCON will not help McCain…in fact many like me quit the Republican party because of elitist snobs such as he!
I asked you a question, witless.
What sort of conservative are you? A Burkean? A Hayakian? Libertaian? Social con? Theocon? “True conservative”? Can you explain what it is that American conservatives want to conserve?
You were so busy calling me a liar that you forgot to answer. Surely a solid conservative like you is eager to tell the world about his conservative beliefs?
And as I said before, this is now a two man race.
You could vote for someone else. And they have a ZERO chance of being the next president. Wait. Did I say zero? I meant a 0.3% chance. HUGE difference.
Huge.