What the McCain campaign doesn’t need
Rich Lowry at NRO believes John McCain needs a new advisor such as Bill Kristol to help him focus on the “big picture” and end his constant zig-zagging on issues.
With all due respect, adding another Beltway political strategist to the McCain camp isn’t going to fix an un-fixable the problem. It’s not fundamentally flawed messaging, it’s a fundamentally flawed candidate. The sooner Republicans reconcile themselves to that, the better.
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Meanwhile, as Ed Driscoll notes, the endless series of unforced errors by the Obama gaffe machine is being squandered. A damned shame.
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I asked you a question, witless.
What sort of conservative are you? A Burkean? A Hayakian? Libertaian? Social con? Theocon? “True conservative”? Can you explain what it is that American conservatives want to conserve?
You were so busy calling me a liar that you forgot to answer. Surely a solid conservative like you is eager to tell the world about his conservative beliefs?
And as I said before, this is now a two man race.
You could vote for someone else. And they have a ZERO chance of being the next president. Wait. Did I say zero? I meant a 0.3% chance. HUGE difference.
Huge.
I’m a conservative, [annoying alleged "conservative" who mocks my username] … I have no idea what you are.
Yeah, you keep saying that. But whenever you are asked any questions about conservatism, you go dead silent. Why is that?
What sort of conservative are you? A Burkean? A Hayakian? Libertarian? Social con? Theocon? “True conservative”? Can you explain what it is that American conservatives want to conserve?
wise-man
If it’s any consolation, you’re not the only one he’s lying about, nor the first person he has proclaimed not to be a conservative. He’s on a tear today.
The only mode of conversation he seems capable of is deeming people who disagree with him ‘not conservative enough’, and then calling them names.
– flenser
This statement indicates that he KNOWS he’s lying about you wise-man. . .because it’s obvious he knows you want to prevent Obama from getting elected. . .and a ‘Stalinist hack’ would probably be all for seeing Obama as President.
Only because of people like you who suffer from this moronic belief that they MUST vote for either the Democratic or Republican parties.
You’re free to vote for anyone you like. Of course, the one you like is McLiberal.
I’m a Himalayan Conservative.
… By marriage.
More intellectual dishonesty, distortions, and misrepresentations. No, that is not what he said. He was asked about Ross Perot, not the defeat of Bush. Please, try to be intellectually honest for one time on this site.
Yashmak, another so-called “conservative”. Can you answer the question which your buddy cannot?
That’s not obvious at all. It’s only “obvious” to those idiots who think that only a Republican liberal can defeat a Democratic liberal.
Well, Ross Perot was the closest thing that a third party has gotten to the presidency. Like I said, he got us 8 years of Bill Clinton. And before and after Perot, the third party folks have been steady at less than one percent. So yeah. It’s ‘my fault’ that the third party folks always fail.
It’s remarkable that somebody who insists that he is a conservative goes into this evasive pattern when asked about conservatism. My question was not that hard, surely.
So why can’t you answer it?
They can’t even answer this:
Give your reason(s) why people should vote for McCain without using Obama as a reason.
Hey khan and flenser, why don’t you two just talk amongst yourselves at how much of a crappy candidate McCain is, and how you two “real conservatives” are so misunderstood by so many others here. And how there is another choice for president. And how the GOP is going to dump McCain and email both of you, asking for your pick to replace him.
I’m sure you two are going to have a lot of fun together getting eachother to demand answers from other people and ask more questions from people who haven’t grown completely tired of your BS.
Go knock yourselves out.
Thay don’t always fail, you Stalinst hack. They don’t need to win an election to affect policy. The GOP shifted hard to the right when they started losing people to a third party.
And whos kidding who here? Dollars to donuts, you were voting for Clinton in the 90’s.
I’m trying to talk to you, except that you go deaf and blind whenever I ask you a question.
What sort of conservative are you? A Burkean? A Hayakian? Libertarian? Social con? Theocon? “True conservative”? Can you explain what it is that American conservatives want to conserve?
Maybe you have multiple personalities, because the “so many others” seems to be mainly you.
#311:
I would just like to see you engage an opposing view with intellectual honesty. I would like to see you be able to present and support a point of view that doesn’t deliberately distort and misrepresent another’s. Hell, just acknowledging an opposing view would be a first. I won’t hold my breath, though.
Well…on the other-hand, maybe McCain is allowing B. Hussein Obama the unencumbered freedom to weave a web of gaffes so sticky and dense, that McCain can easily snare him in it come the fall.
– flenser
Uh huh. Tell me honestly then. What do you think are the chances of a 3rd party candidate beating either the Republican or Democrat in this upcoming election?
– flenser
It’s not remarkable at all. You’ve been quite abusive to him. He probably no longer considers you worth answering seriously. I know I don’t.
-khan
And you can’t even understand that Obama is a damn good reason.
I don’t think Americans will vote 3rd party until they’re alot more upset with the way things are going than they are now. It’s too ingrained. When it happens, and we break the two party system, I’ll be happy as a clam. I think you’re living in a dream world though, if you think it’ll happen by the coming election.
Nope.
As one example. But like I said, enjoy talking to khan and demanding that he answer your questions. Maybe he can do the same to you. Enjoy.
“On June 24th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, Irish Rose said:
But the election is only five weeks away”
Well, that was just a typo, TV2. We all make em.
But whether it’s 5 wks or 5 mos, there’s a whole lot that can – and I suspect probably will – happen between now and then.
According to the most reliable and best tally (Rasmussen) as it stands today the numbers are “Obama leads 49% to 44%”. Rasmussen adds this caveat:
“However, one of the key stats in the race remains the potential for volatility in a race with two little known candidates—32% of voters are either uncommitted at this time or could change their mind before Election Day.”
I’m not asking what anyone thinks most Americans will or would do; I am asking the McCainaanites to give a reason or reasons for voting for McCain that does not include Obama. For people who see little difference between the two, “He’s not Obama” carries zero weight. Personally, I don’t vote against someone; I vote for someone. If Obama is the only reason to vote for McCain, then I would politely ask these so-called conservatives to sip from a large cup of STFU instead of belittling people who choose to stick with their principles and belittling those who see little to no difference between the two. Capiche?
Michelle, did you mean “endless series”? (Minor, I know.)
Ah, that must be it.
This individual, whose debating style consists of;
“Liar! Dirty stinking liar! You are a lying liar! Liar! Liar! Liar! Troll! Lying troll!”
is probably put off by my “abusive” style.
And his total and complete inability to answer any questions about conservatism probably has some innocent explaination.
By not voting for Juan McAmnesty we will get Grid lock in the Congress which is fine by me at this point.
I for one would love to see grid lock in the Congress for the next four years.
That depends.
Based on what I’m seeing here of peoples mindless devotion to voting for the two major parties, not good.
Of course, I’m attempting to get the supposedly freedom loving conservatives to screw up at least as much guts and integrity as the Iraqis or Ukranians, not taking book on election outcomes.
If you’d asked people in 1977 if effective opposition to socialism at home and abroad was possible, they’d have said no.
The hardest part is getting people to understand that they are not slaves to history or process.
The Founders would be ashamed at what we have become.
Regardess of whether freedom and democracy can take root in the sterile soil that is modern America, it’s still possible for a miniority to have an impact. History shows that when a third party starts to peel off voters, the duopoly is forced to start paying attention and pretend to be responsive to the citizens.
I am assuming you are talking about in your lifetime?
He will have to clear it with Juan Hernandez before making any such appointment….
#325:
Damn, can’t believe I missed that. Yipes, wise_man.
This is the year of our lord 2008. I am more concerned with the voting habits of Americans in my lifetime, because we are talking about the slim to none chances of a third party presidency in my lifetime. I could give a crap what the voting trends were when Grover Cleveland or Millard Fillmore’s era in the US, Donut44.
Dam, you missed that, khan. Better talk about this to flenser!!!!
WOOP!!!! WHOOP!!!! WHOOP!!!
******* flenser alert! flenser alert! ******
Time to talk about wiseman! Whoop!!!! Whoop!!!!
/enjoy.
#328:
How many electoral votes did Perot get, wise_man?
Good enough, just looking for clarification since you stated it without any.
Btw, Howard Taft got almost 28% back in 1912, but being a wise man, I am sure you knew that.
Best I can tell, the last third party candidate to receive an electoral vote was George Wallace in 1968. I’m sure wise_man is aware that Perot did not receive any electoral votes and was not running as any party’s candidate.
#330:
I don’t know! Maybe someone who has a degree in third party candidates and other useless and obscure facts that have never entered into modern day politics could answer that question!
#333:
Then you missed an invaluable opportunity to hold your tongue. It’s becoming a habit.
Ha! You’re mocking my name, just like them.
Now there are three people to talk to each other, demand that they answer each others questions!
ENJOY!!!!!!
#334:
I know!!!!! ENJOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In no way, shape, or form was that mocking your name.
Nevermind. Thought you were replying to my post.
Given the glaring discrepancy between what you actually are and what you picked for yourself as a name, the surprising thing is that you are not mocked more often.
I’m only mocked by people who embaras themselves by acting childish and immature.
Actually.
So you’re saying you mock yourself quite often then?
Thank you folks, I’ll be here all week and twice on Saturdays.
Someone who is trying to recapture her past glory by railing against McCain on a daily basis?
Gee, I guess you haven’t seen the news Michelle, he won the nomination. At this point it is either him or Obama. That is just the fact.
He hasn’t won squat till the convention. But thanks for sticking to the facts.
#342:
And what are you trying to capture by railing against Malkin…on her website?
Who knows. It’s already past the middle of june and he’s lasted longer than Bobby Kennedy, but there’s still hope, right people? Maybe you will get your wish and the GOP will nominate the person you voted for over McCain.
#344.
Some people can still really like Michelle, want to read her opinions and take on politics, want her to succeed but still be frustrated at this seemingly self-destructive behavior that benefits the democrats and harms the last man standing after the republican primary … and say things that they don’t really mean out of frustration.
It happens. I don’t know. Maybe they do mean it. It’s an extremely frustrating time to be a conservative.
What McCain doesn’t need is a bunch of his supporters attacking conservatives like Michelle and me because we don’t agree with McCain. Unfortunately that’s what we’re getting here on Michelle’s own website!
How exactly do McCain’s supporters believe that by attacking us that we’re going to start agreeing with them?
And I note that having McCain just follow the Constitution isn’t pandering to us. Nobody ever says that he’s pandering to liberals when he reaches across the aisle to them. But his supporters are full of the PANDERING word when we Conservatives ask only that he reach across the aisle to Conservatives!
Does he want my vote? I certainly don’t see it by his actions.
Do his supporters want me to support him? I certainly don’t see it here.
I wish we found evidence that McInsane was client #8 so he’d drop out, for the good of the Nation. His amnesty is sure to destroy us.
No dispute, I’m writing in Newt.
The attacks are going the other way too, as should be apparent from this very commentary. No matter who is on the issuing, or receiving end (which becomes thoroughly muddled after 1 or 2 replies anyway), it’s counter-productive. It’s the same sort of divisiveness we all hoped would hobble the Dem candidate.
What sort of conservative are you? A Burkean? A Hayakian? Libertarian? Social con? Theocon? “True conservative”? Can you explain what it is that American conservatives want to conserve?
To be a conservative is, in my definition, is somebody that believes in the power of the individual, somebody that believes, please let me make my decisions, that I have a right to succeed and not be penalized for it. I have a right to fail and have no one run to me if I don’t want them to run to me. A conservative believes I have a right to manage my family, I have a right to discipline my family in the way I see fit, as long as it is not criminal. A conservative believes I have the right to worship God, I have a right to worship the God of my understanding, and I do not have the right to jam my version of God down anybody else’s throat or my version of no God down anybody’s throat. A conservative believes live and let live. That’s what a conservative believes. A conservative believes in the smallest amount of government, the smallest government you can get without anarchy. That’s what this conservative believes.
Right, because Obama will do a great job….
His “amnesty bill” has been defeated. He has promised an enforcement first approach and if he goes wobbly again on immigration it will just have to be re-defeated. Again, the alternative is much worse.
Neut isn’t running. It’s Obama or McCain.
Bill, Granted Newt isn’t running but Like I posted, if some major story broke that forced McCain out, the convention would pick a replacement. I’d suggest Newt should that happen.
I know, pipe dream, but I don’t want to face either McInsand or Odumbo as POTUS.
WE will see what happens at the convention in September…the more his foolish and sometimes outrageous decisions continue, the more difficult it will be for him to effect any kind of victory. In which case he will have committed political suicide with no help from anyone.
His last chance is after the convention.
If at that time he picks a real turkey for veep, and continues his give the middle finger to conservatives (or one who does not enhance his relations to the base of the party) it’s over for him.
From what I see day to day with the Dems I know, they view McCain as an unreliable flip-flopper, and he ain’t getting their vote which comes as no surprise to me. Why the He$l McCain is screwing his own base, to get votes from them is utter madness.
Perhaps John McCain is doing the job of Ross Perot from the inside of the Republican Party…we will see in about a couple of months.
LOL.
Like Michelle and you. That’s funny. You obviously think too highly of yourself ….. “Michelle and you” … ha.
“Do his supporters want me to support him? I certainly don’t see it here.”
If you aren’t smart enough to figure out who would be better for America, Barack Obama or John McCain, then please, do your nation and conservatives everywhere and don’t vote. Ever. Again.
(I am still amazed, every day, here, how so many people be so utterly stupid.)
The way it works here in America, Billy, is that every candidate has to actually earn votes. Now, that’s a fact for ya.
My thought exactly. Pretty narcissistic and self important… Which might explain the willingness to accept Obama.
Hence the already concluded primaries which left you the choice of 2 viable candidates.
Bill, Serious question if you don’t mind: If McCain is willing to poke his fingers in the eyes of his base WHILE TRYING TO BECOME POTUS, then what do you think he’ll do once he gets it?
My issue is amnesty and he’s bringing it back. My other issue is not opening ANWR. There are other issues that I’ll over look but his Amensty is a major one that I cannot support him on.
Almost the exact opposite of what Obama will do.
McCain wants the people who will decide the election (undecided moderates) to vote for him. He is doing and saying things in the hopes that they will accept his message and vote for him. Liberals wont vote for him. Conservatives (at least McCain thought) would vote for him, and in many elections, that are VERY CLOSE are decided by the great unwashed, the undecided moderates.
Obama is clearly very, very liberal. He’s running away from his liberal bonafides in the attempt to get more people to vote for him, but at his core, he is very liberal. McCain’s record stands for what he is, a watered down conservative who has the insane idea of trying to make democrats agree with him. That’s his deal. Idiotic, and that’s him. Obama, like most democrats, once he gets power, will work with democrats and shut out any and all republicans.
What do you think that McCain is going to do after he becomes president, rip off his suit, reveal a bright blue costume with a big “L” on his chest and proudly proclaim that he is a liberal?
What do you honestly think McCain is going to do?
“The way it works here in America, Billy, is that every candidate has to actually earn votes.”
Well, Billy, again here in America we got this thing called the “general election”, we hold it on the first Tuesday of November. That’s when folks in 50 states & US territories make the decision about which of the many candidates have earned their vote.
Maybe a New Campaign Slogan ….
“Old Spice” McCain ‘08 – “Because Its My Turn”
-OR-
“Old Spice” McCain ‘08 – Makes Bob Dole Look Exciting!
I don’t think you’ll find many folks who think it’s a secret identity, WM.
Fair enough;
Firstly I sincerely do not believe that my eyes have been poked. There are stances that he has taken that I disagree with, yes, but to me that just means that our work wont be finished once he is elected. If he gets elected.
Secondly, this is the point of the race where the candidates are making appeals to the center. Their “bases” should be on board by now. That the right of the republican party needs more work on it to coalesce is obvious. However, much of what I have seen here presented as the case for staying home or writing in Donald Duck is not fair, accurate or above all realistic.
He has said that he would go for enforcement first. Indeed, considering the extent of the problem that will give you and me time to unite behind a tough but realistic solution to the problem. (Either that or we could elect obama and just complain about it.)
The fact that he wants to end the prohibition of domestic drilling and his competition does not should indicate which side will be more ameniable to public pressure. If we could tap the oil shale in Colorado and Wyoming ANWR would become less of an issue.
I agree, no Amnisty. We stand a better chance of stopping it with McCain.
Thanks for telling me how it goes in America. Nothing condescending there.
Right, and your choices of VIABLE candidates have been made in the primaries. I might have mentioned that.
“Rickshaws for Congress” ***********
Since Candidates are so “Green” now-a-days, and since the COMMUNIST Chinese have a Thriving Automobile Market for its Citizens, they have millions of leftover rickshaws that they want to dump on the open market (like everything else they dump).
Therefore, to Help OUR ENEMY (Not “Trading Partner”), Communist China – and to Help Our pals in Congress Who Continue to do so many “good” things to us … ah … for us,
I’m collecting money not spent by American Serfs at the pump to buy Communist Chinese Rickshaws for all 535 members of Congress to put down those SUVs and use – rain, sleet, hail, shine, snow, hot or cold.
No Carbon FOOTprint, Just Flat Feet.
“Well, Billy, again here in America we got this thing called the “general election”, we hold it on the first Tuesday of November.”
You’re welcome, Billy, never too busy to help educate!
You mean like:
I could say something about “dishing it out”, but you’re obviously much more sensitive than women. (Those dang glass houses are hard too maintain, doncha know.)
But if you wanted to vent your anger in a helpful way you could contact whatever campaign of your choice and advise them on the concept of working to earn votes. It’s not like Christmas where gifts just appear under the tree from outta nowhere. And even then some kids get nothing but coal left in their stockings.
Wise Man #354 posted:
You missed my point entirely just to get in a cheap shot – exactly like I predicted with my analysis. Bravo!
Bill Grant #356 posted
I never said that I accepted Obama. I see you’re projecting again.
Troll.
Poll seems to confirm last week’s stunning Newsweek poll…
Well, it’s hard to question last week’s Newsweek poll now.
LA Times/Bloomberg: Obama 49%, McCain 37%
And according to the poll, if third party candidates Ralph Nader and Bob Barr are included, Obama’s lead grows to 48% to 33%, a 15% lead that matches last week’s Newsweek poll. Most assumed the Newsweek poll was an outlier since no other poll had shown such a large Obama lead, but it’s hard to ignore it now.
The main reason for Obama’s large lead in the poll is his strength with voters who consider the economy the top issue. McCain is seen as the strongest to deal with terrorism, but terrorism is not as big a concern to voters as the economy.
There is also a huge enthusiasm gap. Out of those who call themselves conservative, only 58% say they will for sure vote for McCain. Another 15% say they will vote for Obama, 14% say they will vote for someone else, and 13% remain undecided. Out of those who call themselves liberal, 79% say they will vote for Obama. And even half the 58% who say they will vote for McCain add that they aren’t enthusiastic about doing so while 81% of those who say they will vote for Obama say they are enthusiastic, half of which say they are “very” enthusiastic.
McCain and Obama are tied among white voters at 39%, only 11% of Clinton supporters have switched to McCain, Barr and Nader seem to take away more votes from McCain than Obama, and 73% disapproved of the job President Bush is doing.
Also, 39% Identifies themselves as Democrats, 22% say they are Republicans, and 27% say they are independents. A year ago, it was 33% Democrat, 28% Republican, and 29% independents. This change can be largely attributed to the long, intense Democratic primary which registered record numbers of new voters as Democrats, and also saw many Republicans switch parties to vote for Obama or Clinton.
This poll was also made up entirely of registered voters, not likely voters. Most feel that Obama has a much larger advantage among likely voters since he will probably register more new voters from now until November than McCain will.
Obama’s lead in national polls seemss to be growing while most have him with a large electoral college lead. The next few weeks will be dangerous for John McCain. He needs to stop the bleeding soon.
purplepeep nailed it exactly – Does McCain want my vote? What is McCain doing to earn my vote?
Hiya MsJustice -
We’re not talkin’ about the most reliable of poll-takers there.
Daily tracking gives a more realistic view, with Rasmussen having an excellent record.
When a poll suddenly goes “off the chart” for no reason it’s termed an “outlier”.
In 1988, Dukakis had an even better 17 point lead over GHWB. But, needless to say, he didn’t up entering rooms to the strains of “Hail To The Chief”.
I’d pretty much take such anomalies with a huge dose of salt.
Does McCain want your vote? If you would listen to him make a speech, then you would hear him ask you. But if you only get your McCain news from places that pre-digest little droppings then I can see where you would have to ask that question.
Then don’t vote for McCain. And all the people who vote for Obama will be counted against all the people who vote for McCain and then all the individual states will cast their electoral votes for the candidate who received the most votes and the president will be elected from the winner of the most electoral votes.
And if Obama wins, and the race was tight, and a few votes would have made all the difference then you will just have to STFU for the next 4 to 8 years and not complain when Obama and the democrats pass law after law that McCain would never have allowed. And you could have done your part to prevent this from happening.
This isn’t reverse physiology, if you can’t figure out which man will be better for the nation and which one will be worse, then you obviously aren’t looking for direction as to why you should vote for McCain on the internet, and you have your mind made up already.
You’re making the “Dumb And Dumber” argument, WM. I think you’ll have to accept that many folks will take just a pass.
You don’t have to understand it, but to some it’s akin to asking if they prefer to be beaten to death by a steel pipe or a lead pipe.
Oh yes. Barack has stay to out of tanks.
I disagree with Dick Morris and anticipate a tight 2-4 pt result either way. Have a good night Purplepeep.
Wise Man #372 posted:
I have listened to his speeches. And – even more importantly – I’ve seen his actions. I’ve looked at his votes.
I don’t have to STFU. You remember the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution?
What I’ve figured out mostly is that people like you can’t think for yourself and you have to keep attacking those of us who can. Apparently what you believe is that McCain doesn’t want my support or my vote because if you thought he did you wouldn’t keep attacking me like you are.
McCain has to earn my vote. I don’t just give it away.
Oh and just a quick addition, MsJustice, on -
If it were so (going just by those 2 polls), it shows Obama’s numbers dropping by at least 3 points in less than one week.
Yeah, as the saying goes – in politics a month is a lifetime. Or is it “a week”? Whatever, lol. Things should get interesting over this summer/fall.
But, yup, don’t wear funny hats or hitchhike a ride on a tank is solid advice to politico. Or put on a bunny suit. Once you get to be President you can do all those things and more, like publicly holding hands with a guy while doing a ridiculous sword dance.
You have a good night, too.
I see you misunderstood the simple concept that you have been parroting ever since I posted it yesterday. If I were “projecting” that would mean that I was willing to accept Obama, the fact that I what I have been posting what I have been posting should indicate to you that is not the case.
Re. purplepeep:
All women? heh, I suppose it depends on the woman. None of the above changes the fact that your choice is binary at this point and you are going to have to do what has always been done in a democracy: Chose who you believe is going to screw up least. I would add a caveat to that in that you should probably also chose who you believe you can influence in the future. If that is Obama it is your choice.
Pass away, just don’t kid yourself that you are doing it for conservative principles.
Bill Grant #378
I see you still don’t read what I actually post. That’s ok. You’re a troll. It’s the best I can expect from you.
He wasn’t attacking you.
You have got to be the biggest crybaby on this or any other forum. “Attacking you, attacking you”… Yesterday there was a mother posting here who was telling you she was concerned about her sons in the Marine Corps if Obama were to become their commander in chief and your only lame retort was to whine that she was attacking you…. Here to fore it has been attacking your statements, which you can not and will not defend. If someone wanted to attack you they would have called you an idiotic, dogmatic, uninformed, bandwagon hopping, basement apartment dwelling, Cheeto’s eating, attention whore who cries himself to sleep on a couch that smells like pee.
Like the man said, vote for whomever you want, you just lose the right to cry like a big flabby bee-atch for what is coming down under Obama.
Bill Grant #381
I see you still haven’t learned anything from the stomping you got yesterday.
Keep being a troll. Nobody expects anything else from you now.
If our choice was to pick either Obama or Hillary Clinton then I would agree with you 100%.
However,
this fabricated crap about McCain is reaching the levels of fantasy that the left has built up George W Bush to be the monster to them from the reality of what he is. I really do see a similarity of the same “mentality” if you can call it that – that takes someone you dislike and, in their minds and now yours, frames and defines your political adversary into a creature of such proportions that is is clearly not.
McCain is – as Michelle Malkin so eloquently put it, a flawed candidate. And that is just.not.enough, is it? He has to be much more than just “flawed.” He has to be a monster on par with Obama, past, even further than Obama. So you can justify to yourselves not to dignify a vote for this uber-liberal monstrosity.
As I might have said before, this is now a two man race. And if you back neither, don’t be surprised if the man who is really worse wins. If you back the third man in a two man race, dont be surprised to see that he has gone all of three inches past the start line in a hundred meter race.
And I (if I was really vindictive, which I am probably am not) would really like to entertain the idea of keeping a little score card – to see the people on this site who are so steadfast against McCain, who will bitch and moan and complain the loudest if and when Obama wins, fills his cabinet with the people that you might expect as we lead of Obama, and enact the laws that he and the democrats want …. and there will be a great gnashing of teeth and a wail of ‘why did this happen’ and ‘it was all McCains fault’ that will be perpetrated here …
And I would so much love to list the names of the people (as long as they are still here, not going back to their liberal blogs, mission “chaos’ accomplished) who were so much against McCain, and now howling at the fate of our country and conservatives.
Re. purplepeep:
“I could say something about “dishing it out”, but you’re obviously much more sensitive than women.”
Setting the OJ-ish philosphical ramblings aside, I’d wager most folks aren’t too keen a “man” attacking a woman and then confessing he can’t handle the rough stuff himself.
I see others have already noted your secondary issue of “projection”.
You’ll just have to accept the fact we live in a country where people can actually vote for any candidate of any party who has earned their vote. This ain’t the ol’ USSR – remember, in America, we make our own choices – or at least most of us do. Like you, some may feel they have no choice. That’s sad, and I don’t understand the mindset, but I accept that it exists.
Re. purplepeep:
“I could say something about “dishing it out”, but you’re obviously much more sensitive than women.”
Setting the OJ-ish philosphical ramblings aside, I’d wager most folks aren’t too keen a “man” attacking a woman and then confessing he can’t handle the rough stuff himself.
I see others have already noted your secondary issue of “projection”.
You’ll just have to accept the fact we live in a country where people can actually vote for any candidate of any party who has earned their vote. This ain’t the ol’ USSR – remember, in America, we make our own choices – or at least most of us do. Like you, some may feel they have no choice. That’s sad, and I don’t understand the mindset, but I accept that it exists.
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“Undecided moderates” by definition are people who have no firm ideology, and will simply vote for whomever looks like the strongest candidate (who makes them feel good about their vote)-translation: a neo-popularity contest.
McCain is burning his bridge to become POTUS with these people-”undecided moderates” who are most affected by whoever is the most telegenic on television and has the most cover from the MSM-translation they are going to Obama, while McCain has been burning his bridge to the party base.
No Democrat would be that stupid, and expect to remain politically viable.
sorry “Quasi-popularity” contst
Gee, with such lame, non sequitur, downright tedious retorts as that I guess I should be relieved that you quit at a “stomping”…
Setting the psyco-babble…
And where did I do either of those?
No “others” haven’t. What you are referring to is an idiot parroting a word I taught him yesterday.
Sure, and you are just going to accept the fact that other people are going to point it out if you are doing something incredibly contrary to that which you supposedly value and that you are doing it under false assumptions. No need to say thanks.
It will look a hell of a lot more like it if we elect obama.
Well then, please let me explain where the mindset comes from so that you may understand as well as accept: At this point there are 2 viable candidates for president of the USA. One of them poses a very real threat to our sovereignty, prosperity and even safety. The other one is John McCain. Yes, he is old as Yoda, yes, he has some bad ideas on pop culture fads like global warming. Yes, I get it. I really do. But he is a good man who genuinely cares about this country. For his foibles, which can be managed, he will not surrender to islamist scum, he will not run our debt over our GDP, he will not surrender our sovereignty to outside entities in order to be “liked” by the goddamn europeans. Again, my “mindset” is borne of the fact that that there is choice “A”: A decent man who has proven his dedication to the country but who will require attention even after he is elected, or choice “B”: an unmitigated disaster who poses a very real threat to the country that I love. If I seem a bit frustrated it is because choice “B” is well funded, has a dedicated, fanatical support structure, the love of the media and is poised to win. Choice “A” has people who cannot read between the lines, refuse to see past their disappointment and who want to toss the baby out with the bathwater.
If we weren’t in a war against islamist terrorists on 2 fronts that we can lose by not completing what we have said we were going to do, if we didn’t have a 10 trillion dollar debt on a 13 trillion dollar GDP, if we weren’t in danger of diluting our sovereignty that good men and woman have died for and If I thought all that Obama intends to do could be rolled back once people like the ones posting here catch on to what a mess he is going to make I would say fine: go ahead. You are going to need a cautionary tale, elect the boob. But this country cannot afford to go through what Obama is going to put it through at this juncture. We especially can not afford to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory in Iraq.
There… My mindset.
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Tricky thing that “submit comment” button.
I see that Bill is still in the running for Michelle’s update of her book “Unhinged”.
Let’s see; does Bill want just a mention, a paragraph, a page, or a whole chapter?
#391 Bill Grant
Very well stated, and you know I concur.
As for JHS, he’s little more than a Paulian troll. And you do realize that every time you respond to him you encourage him to post yet another abusive quickie like the one above?
Some people are best put on “ignore” status and left there permanantly. He’s a wee little man with a wee little * who doesn’t know how interact with civility and courtesy on a public forum, so he deserves to have nobody to talk to except himself.
I suggest that we deprive him of the thing that he craves the most – attention. Ignore his “brilliant” little jabs and abusive rantings, talk over his head and only address the folks here who are willing to discuss and respond like adults.
Sometimes silence is the best response.
And as for flenser, his apparent hatred for the military combined with his 3rd- party Paulian fundamentalism makes me strongly suspect that he’s one of these.
Michelles’ blog has been overrun by the very people that she lampoons, and she does nothing. No response, no moderation.
It honestly makes me wonder if there is even anyone at the wheel.
I see Irish Rose is looking for a segment of her own in the update of “Unhinged”.
Credibility zero.
Yawn.