Your Genius Grant dollars at work
They’re not your dollars, actually; the $500K Macarthur Genius Grants are sponsored by a private foundation. And apparently the recipients put the money toward vital research projects like…tracking down the source of internet chain e-mails.
Psst: It’s my mom. She sends out a bunch of these. Can I have five hundred grand now?
There’s been mockery of this story across the dextrosphere today, and I’ll send you around for some snorts and giggles at the well-compensated Dr. Danielle Allen’s expense as she struggles to get to the bottom of who started the “Obama is a secret Muslim!!!!1!” rumors. And I’ll add an observation of my own:
As Allen scrolled through the e-mail about Obama, she saw that the list of people who had received the missive consumed several full screens. Her first thought was to try to learn about the people behind the addresses. She traced a number to North Carolina Web sites about golf, but quickly hit a dead end. Then she had another thought: What if she took some of the unusual phrases from the text of the e-mail and Googled them?
Whoa, that right there is a downright Newtonian epiphany. No mere amateur blogger would ever think to use this advanced research methodology called “google” to track down the origin of a particular phrase.
No wonder the Washington Post devoted so much space to covering the shocking, if inconclusive, findings of this far-reaching Google investigation.
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But enough with the snark. As Dr. Allen pursued her cutting-edge google search across the interwebs, a familiar name emerged in connection with the Obama-is-a-Muslim smear: Ted Sampley.
Around the same time Ted Sampley, a North Carolina man who runs his own Web site, published a similar piece. In an interview, he denied authorship of the e-mail, but said he did not doubt that his article had provided source material. “That’s the miracle of it,” Sampley said. “Once it takes off, and people start posting it on Web sites, you really have no idea how far it goes or who reads it. You get a ripple effect. It’s like a little pebble and then it gets bigger and bigger.”
Sampley is the fantasist who says (and has said for years) that John McCain is a Manchurian Candidate, reprogrammed by Hanoi to…I don’t know, do something Communisty when he gets into power, I guess. Sampley also formed an anti-Kerry group of Vietnam Veterans in 2004 that is often confused with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and in fact is usually lumped in with them on lefty websites in order to discredit the actual Swift Boat Veterans led by John O’Neill. (Dean Esmay explained the difference in those groups here.)
I’m not surprised to see Sampley involved in the Obama-is-a-secret Muslim-smear; the man has an amazing talent to place-kick John Birchy conspiracy theories into the mainstream.
For some people, people in the core Sampley target zone, politics can never be bad enough. McCain need not merely be an abrasive centrist who panders to Hispanic race-baiters and despises movement conservatives, he has to be a traitor commie spy. Obama isn’t just a callow far-left machine politician caught up in the cult of his own personality, he has to be Al-Qaeda’s secret sleeper trained from birth.
They’re just the Right’s equivalent of Truthers. And Sampley is the Right’s equivalent of Larry Johnson–and every bit as credible.
Me, I think politics is more than depressing enough–and interesting enough–without making up these crazy conspiracies.
As for Sampley, there’s a certain irony to his being a driver of the Obamuslim rumor. Because right now on mybarackobama.com, one Obamanite has sanctimoniously posted an article from Britain’s Daily Mail about John McCain’s deceit…as told by Ted “Obama=Secret Muslim” Sampley.
UPDATE: Dr. Danielle Allen isn’t the only one deploying advanced internet research technology. Super-genius braniac prodigy savant Brian McMurphy, of the prestigious 6MB Institute, has advanced the frontiers of science by using a radical new technique called “sitemeter”.
Lo and behold, he seems to have met with some success in outing another political hack operating on the web behind a cloak of presumed anonymity. Someone probably named “Dr. Danielle Allen”.
Me, I can’t even get the clock on the VCR to stop blinking twelve o’clock, twelve o’clock.
Is that funny anymore?
Oh, it was never funny? OK:
I can’t get the clock on the Blu-Ray to stop blinking twelve o’clock, twelve o’clock….
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Forget the rumor tha Obama is a Muslim.
He IS a muslim:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
Dude, here’s something from the middle of that link:
He’s just not. Anymore than Timothy McVeigh died a Christian because he once went to Catholic school.
And that’s a dashiki he’s in, not “Muslim dress”.
I definitely agree with Malkin_Fan. Perhaps so many people believe that Obama is a Muslim because he is a Muslim. . .at least culturally.
In the Israeli Insider article, there are many facts that have never been refuted by the Obama camp. For example, why was he registered as a Muslim in his Indonesian Catholic school?
I teach in a Catholic school in Northern Virginia. Believe me, nearly every teacher has qualms about Barack Hussein Obama and has suspicions that Obama is a closet Muslim. Why? Because we know our Catholic faith and know something is just not right about Obama and his “Christian” faith.
From the Israeli Insider article:
Sure seems like a Muslim to me.
[bangs head on desk]
If it looks like a duck,walk’s, like a duck, and quack’s like a duck…well than…..
Too funny, of course he’s not a muslim. He’s a Marxist.
Hey, I went to a Methodist day care center when I was three.
Therefore I must be a Methodist now, right?
Muslim or not he’s still a dope.
Odopey.
I think it would be a great photo to put on a campaign button, where can I get mine?
Sampley seems like the type of moron that would stake out the airports with the footbaths waiting for Obama to use one.
It seems like there’s a lot of ‘Obama is the third antichrist’ stuff going around. This one stuck in my mind.
February 13, 2008
Prophet Of Barack Obama Warns Of Catastrophic US Destruction
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers
Reports from the United States today are trumpeting the primary election victories of US Senator Barack Obama as he nears his coronation as the Democratic Party’s Presidential Candidate and is likely to become the next President of the American People.
More interestingly about these events, for our purposes of discussion, are the Western Media reports describing Senator Obama’s ‘messianic’ appeal to masses of American people seemingly intent upon breaking away from their current War Leaders. So popular to the American people has Senator Obama become that an Internet video promoting his candidacy has become the most popular in history with nearly 4 million views.
However, not to Senator Obama should these American people be looking for their greatest insight into this man, and their future, but rather their attention should be placed upon last centuries great Kenyan Prophet, Johanwa Owalo, the founder of Kenya’s Nomiya Luo Church, and who among the Kenya people of the Luo religion is believed to be a prophet similar to Jesus Christ and Muhammad, and who in 1912 made this horrific prophecy about the United States:
“So far have they [the United States] strayed into wickedness in those [future] times that their destruction has been sealed by my [father]. Their great cities will burn, their crops and cattle will suffer disease and death, their children will perish from diseases never seen upon this Earth, and I reveal to you the greatest [mystery] of all as I have been allowed to see that their [the United States] destruction will come about through the vengeful hands of one of our very own sons.”
To the greatest accuracy of the Kenyan Prophet Johanwa Owalo’s words we must note the striking coincidence that this nearly 100-year-old prophecy seemingly echoes into our troubled times, Senator Obama does appear to be the fulfillment of this prophecy as he is, indeed, a ‘son’ of the Kenyan Luo tribal religion (a mixture of Christianity and African tribal beliefs) as he was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Obama, Sr. (born in Nyanza Province, Kenya, of Luo ethnicity) and Stanley Ann Dunham (who was given her fathers first name).
Even more interesting, perhaps, is that this son of the Kenyan Luo peoples, Barack Obama, is seeking to become the leader of the United States at the exact same time that the Nation of his father is in crisis due to the flawed, and as some say ‘stolen’, election which has plunged the Kenyan people into tribal warfare which has claimed over 1,000 lives, and which many of the of the Luo’s believe is ushering in the times predicted by their Prophet Johanwa Owalo.
One of the questions we must ask ourselves in the light of the messianic rise of Barack Obama, towards the most powerful military/political office in the World, is if the current events of his fathers homeland, Kenya, and when juxtaposed with the prophecies of Johanwa Owalo, are providing us with a vision of the United States future as it too appears to be boarding upon open civil war due to the destruction of its Middle Class and the continued rise to total rulership of its Imperial Class?
Another curious aspect of this new messianic figure Barack Obama, and in the context of the United States Presidential election as a whole, are that the two major American political parties have both fielded candidates whose families pasts included adherents to the practice of polygamy, with the Republican candidate Mitt Romney (currently not campaigning) being an adherent to the Mormon faith (whose mainstream members shun this practice), and Senator Obama, whose father, Barack Obama Sr., and upon his death in 1982 from an automobile accident, left behind 3 wives, 6 sons, and one daughter.
To all of these events herein detailed, and when examined in the context of all of human history, the rise of those deemed to have messianic qualities and/or attributes do indeed presage times of great upheaval and Total World War. For as we have long known, and seen by the examples of Napoleon, Lenin, Hitler, Mao, etc., those who lead Nations, and peoples of Nations, by the strength of their messianic ‘visions’ have left in their historic wake the deaths of hundreds of millions of human beings.
Today a new such messianic figure has arisen on the World stage; his name is Barack Obama, a name that soon all humanity may grow to fear.
Rot row.
McCains forget to pay taxes in CA for four years
I don’t believe Obama is a Muslim. He attended a Black Liberation Theology “church” for 20 years. He says he never missed a Sunday service. He believes in Black Liberation Theology which is a racist and Marxist ideology. He’s a true believer.
Well, if you were quoting Scripture in perfect Greek as an adult, I might wonder if you weren’t still a Christian.
Here is an article with questions about Obama’s Muslim background. Perhaps those defending Obama can at least answer some of the questions raised:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm
By the way, this is the main problem with conservatives: They just don’t want to win. If a Republican had grown up in Muslim Indonesia and had the background and statements that Obama had made, the Democrats would be all over it. They want to win. I think getting a president that will appoint conservative justices is worth playing hardball with Barack Obama. But so many conservatives don’t. They would rather lose than be ruthless and win an election.
But then we have conservatives actually defending Obama that he is a Christian and not a Muslim. Why? Because he says he is a Christian. Can you trust anything Obama says?
Another thing: Why are Muslims around the world so enthusiastic about Obama? If he grew up Muslim and had renounced his faith, would they be so enthusiastic?
And since Obama’s made it clear that spouses are off-limits and the media condemns attacks on Michelle, I’m sure lefties won’t go after Cindy.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Not to forget b. Hussein’s so-called church regularly mingles with Nation of ISLAM leader Louis Farrakhan. And all those bad boys are supporting his candidacy.
And if he was of Muslim blood and he left the faith, they would be calling for his head on a platter, and instead they support his candidacy. Even though he wouldn’t let them sit behind him “ignor those Muslims behind the curtain!!” on one of his stump stops. Doth he protest too much?
Of course, he did eat that 100 dollar a pound pork… but that was probably just a ruse. It was probably beef and he told the butcher to say it was piggy to throw people off the scent.
Poor See-Dubya… having a bad post day? You may need a cushion on your desk for the rest of this thread.
See_Dubya, the point is he did grow up Muslim, and the Muslim world knows this. He was enrolled as a Muslim in a Catholic school in Jakarta. Now would they be supporting someone who had converted to Catholicism or evangelical Protestantism and had truly left Islam?
Of course not. They would be out to kill him. So why are they supporting Barack Hussein Obama? The name is a clue. At the Catholic school I teach at in Northern Virginia, I have students who are from the Arab world and who are Catholic or Orthodox. None of them has a Muslim name. They have Christian names.
The fact is that Obama has NEVER renounced his Muslim faith, and Muslims around the world know it. In fact, he has embraced it:
Going to Reverand Wright’s Marxist, liberation theology “Christian” church is hardly renouncing Islam.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm
Is Barack a masked Muslim? Should I trust him? Occam’s Razor answers that question for me pal!
I know See-dubya…I too went to a Methodist run private school—but I am not Methodist either.
Just don’t bang your head into the desk too much…it will ruin your aim the next time you are at the range!
Occam’s Razor rephrased as such:
“If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck – it’s a duck.”
Ahhh…goldwater….
The old Catch 22…
Presume Obama is a Muslim and any evidence (no wait the mountains of evidence) to the contrary can just be excused away in your sad paranoid little mind as Obama engaging in Muslim trickery to deceive us all until that one shining moment when, on January 20th, he stands up in front of Chief Justice Roberts and instead of placing his hand on the Bible, whips out a sword and beheads Roberts while screaming “Allahu Akbar! I fooled y’all! Suckas!”
Yeesh. Loosen the tin foil, buddy.
Oh I forgot, the Obaminater is your guy.
I can just as well shift my razor to the Jeremiah Right three ring circus of white hate.
“This is not the Jeremiah Wright I knew.”
Rich…
I don’t have a tinfoil hat I have an energy dome pal.
The liberal, Barack-supporter Charpoutier appears!
Just curious: What are the “mountains of evidence” that Barack Hussein Obama is not culturally a Muslim?
Any of that evidence more convincing than the FACTS of Obama’s Muslim background in this article by Israeli Insider?
But he says he is not a Muslim! Some Americans have become so naive.
You mean I am not going to get $78, 000 from Bill Gates and NASA for forwarding the “Help Billy the Bodyless Boy” email to all of my friends and family? Gees. There goes retirement!
If you stop to really think about this you would realize that researchers started the chain emails knowing full well that they would get funded at some point in the future to “figure it out.” It’s the same reason they taught monkeys to appear as if they are “in love.” It’s called job security.
#26 Gabe —But he says he is not a Muslim! Some Americans have become so naive.
Now Gabe—-We unedeecaaaattted U.S citizzzzzzzzens have to beelieeeve what our “MASTAAAS” innn government tellll us.
If SEEENNNNAAAATTTTOOOORRRR Obama SAAYYSSS he’s NOOOTTTT a MMUUSZSLLIIMM
we just HHAAAVVVEEE TTOOOO BBEEEEElieeeve!
I’d start with the 20+ years attending a Christian church, just for starters…
But I’m guessing that whatever I said, you would simply dismiss as Muslim trickery. Farsighted Muslim trickery, apparently.
Such is the psyche of conspiracy nuts. You only serve to diminish legitimate criticism of Obama with your crazy-eyed ramblings.
Clutch your copy of Catcher in the Rye tightly, you two, and stock up on the foil, cause all indications are he’s gonna be prez.
Translation:
We uneducated U.S. citizens have to believe what our “masters” in government tell us.
If Senator Obama says he is not a Muslim —we just have to believe!
If Christian soldier says hes not a heroin shooting male prostitute, I guess we just have to believe that too!
Not saying he is…but I did read somewhere that heroin shooting male prostitutes often go to great lenghts to hide their true identity, so don’t take the handle “Christian Soldier” to be any sort of proof to the contrary.
Just sayin, ya know.
Gosh – my first post got lost:
On June 28th, 2008 at 10:06 pm, Christian Soldier said:
Nation of Islam – Farrakhan (sp) -B.Hussein Obama – supports F– church of Rev. Wright supports F …..
Nation of Islam- – Nation of Islam ….
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Broken Record say—-something ADDS up!!!!!
Chap
With all respect, speaking as one who grew up in the UCC tradition, the UCC (and BHO’s church is an example of many of congregations where “anything goes”) has strayed so far from the Gospel that they are practically Unitarian. I can’t say he’s a Muslim, but attendance at UCC doesn’t prove otherwise.
BSR
Just what I thought: The ONLY evidence that Charpoutier has is that Barack Hussein Obama attended a church that Osama Bin Laden would be at home in.
Plus, a lot of Muslims attend Obama’s “Christian” church:
I’m working on an M.A. in Theology from a Catholic grad school in Northern Virginia. I know the Catholic faith, and I can state with 100% certainty that Barack Hussein Obama does not have a Christian understanding of the Scriptures and that Reverend Wright’s church is Marxist, not “Christian.”
The reason so many Catholics are suspicious of Barack Hussein Obama: He appears to be culturally Muslim and does not have Christian beliefs.
The following are not Christian beliefs but are Barack Hussein Obama’s beliefs:
Sorry, that is not is Christian. They are exactly the type of beliefs that you would expect someone who grew up Muslim (and still is Muslim) to have of the Christian faith.
There’s more evidence that Obama is a Muslim than there was that Kerry was a war hero who spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia. I don’t claim to know one way or the other. However, the fact that the Muslim world is united behind him, especially our enemies, would seem to be a clue that he isn’t apostate. And I don’t think attendance at a Christian church (especially that church) makes him a Christian, unless he was baptized.
You should stop carrying water for Obama Gunga Din.
Obama’s a shill and anyone with two brain cells rubbing each other knows it. This guy has so many nefarious, Marxist, Anti-American associations he makes Vito Corleone look like a piker.
I stopped arguing with people are are determined he’s a Muslim a long time ago. Jesus Christ Himself could come down to testify that Obama’s not Muslim, and many still would insist he is.
Gabe
The Pauline Epistles make it clear that the days of Prophets had passed and there will not be any other Gospel. He cannot be both Christian and Muslim, but is he Muslim? Only he and the Lord know and we can only discern by his “fruit”. I find this thread disturbing, because I hadn’t given much thought to the fact he might actually be Muslim.
BSR
Christian Soldier, I’m with you. There has always been a classical American trait that has a healthy dose of skepticism about government and liberal politicians. For example, does anyone actually believe that Obama supports the Supreme Court decision about the D.C. handgun ban–even though he claims he does–and wouldn’t place another Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Court if elected?
Likewise, with all the evidence that Obama grew up a Muslim and has never renounced Islam, is it any wonder that most Catholics and Protestants who know their faith have suspicions about Obama’s claim to be Christian?
The elites want to believe that Obama is not a Muslim by the simple fact that he claims he is not and that he attended a Marxist, liberation theology church.
The problem with your reasoning there is that you assume he simply must be dedicated to some religion besides that of the Obamessiah.
I know many people who were baptized Christian and have simply fallen away from the faith. Other things were more important to them.
I’m not arguing that Obama’s not a Marxist, nor that he wouldn’t be bad for the country. I’m not even going to argue that he’s that serious of a Christian–based on his renunciation of Trinity Church. (Not to assert that I’m such a great Christian myself.)
But seriously.
Seriously.
Do you think the man prays to Mecca five times a day?
Funny stuff on this thread. I guess we’re all Sampley’s now.
Hey, maybe that explains McCains wierd behavior!
There is a simple solution to all of this…just don’t vote for Obama
That way one does not have to worry if he’s a muslim or not!
But should I vote for the Manchurian Candidate secret Communist instead?
You know, both theories could be true. Obama may be a secret Muslim agent, and McCain might be a secret commie agent!
In which case, my opinion of both mens intelligence would actually increase considerably.
#42 no problem there.
The only thing needed is a poll showing a preference for a Muslim as POTUS over Senator McCain and Senator Obama will be a Muslim within 24 hours.
see-dub
I agree with you that there is no evidence that he is a practicing Muslim, but (since we are looking at this through the prism of religion) does his background and lack of grounding in a Bible-based Christian church make it likelier that he’d be willing to give Hamas a pass and blame Israel for the Middle East woes?
BSR
That’s a tough one. BTW, I hear that Huckabee is secretly a Catholic and an agent of the Pope.
And if a poll shows a preference for a Christian, then ‘Maverick’ will convert to Islam too. Because thats the sort of guy he is. If you like A, he likes B.
Think about it. When he says “we’re all Gods chilluns”, do you know what God he has in mind? I mean, his dislike for the Christian right is well known.
Hmmm ….
I think Spencer, Schlussel and others have weighed in on this and the most reasonable conclusion they draw is that thought born a Muslim, Obama could have up to a certain age anyway, got out of it without all the usual apostasy stuff. The question is did he? If so, when? Would the circumstances of his apparent conversion be acceptable to a typical Imam? One of the many problems with Obama is that he doesn’t like to commit himself, unless it is to the PC democrat party platudes. As a consequence, we really don’t know what he is. It is altogether possible he does not know either.
I recall reading some years ago a black gentleman stating that while nominally a Christian he would have no problem hooking up with Islam — except for the pork thing. That really bothered him because he sure loved his pork, and we know Obama likes the ultra-expensive Spanish ham.
So my assessment is that Obama’s world view straddles both the nominally Christian and the Muslim world quite comfortably. That was the whole reason he spent all those years in the Trinity Church, dragging his children along with him, which with very few changes could be a mosque.
In short, Islam is a political program. Black Liberation Theology is a political program. The differences between them as political programs are minuscule, and there is none regarding America. Obama has clearly absorbed their world-views. Together, they provide the only reliable indication of his values and how he thinks. As far as being a Muslim, he is as the phrase goes, close enough for government work. There is no doubt in my mind he would sell Isreal down the river in a heartbeat. The notion of him threatening and executing massive retailiation against Iran for attacking Israel is not credible.
Moreover, would he launch a war against anyone who attacked American with nuclear weapons? Who can say for certain, but I have very deep doubts.
If that be rabid conspiratorial thinking, then have at it.
I’m not saying Obama is a Muslim. And I certainly don’t think he’s going to jump and say he’s a Barbary pirate on Jan. 20th if elected.
But anyone with common sense would look at it like this I think:
“If you two wanna turn yourselves into a greasy spot out on a country road somewhere, go right ahead. I don’t give a shit and I don’t think anybody else does, but you two monkeys are not going to do it on my racetrack. You ever heard of a Japanese Inspection? Japanese Inpsection, you see, when the Japs take in a load of lettuce they’re not sure they wanna let in the country, why they’ll just let it sit there on the dock ’til they get good and ready to look at, But then of course, it’s all gone rotten… ain’t nothing left to inspect.”
Fred Thompson in Days of Thunder
I doubt it. Before I started teaching at the Catholic school, I had Muslim coworkers where I used to work. I never saw any of them physically bowing down to Mecca during the day. It is not a requirement as far as I know. They still are Muslim. They also weren’t planning to run for president and would need to hide their true beliefs.
The fact is that Barack Obama is very much a cultural Muslim. . .as well as a Marxist: a very dangerous combination for our country. The last thing our country needs is the Muslim world thinking we have a Muslim president that will pull out of Iraq, won’t defend Israel if attacked, and won’t defend us from terrorism.
If Obama is elected, expect a whole bunch of testing by Iran, Al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah of our resolve. If they believe Obama is Muslim, that is just as bad as if he actually is.
He is definitely culturally a Muslim, which one would expect with nearly all his relatives being Muslim and his growing up in Indonesia. It is no wonder the entire Muslim world backs him.
see-dubya said:
Queen of Diamonds
See-Dubya – McCain IS a secret communist! He’s running as a Republican, but is a Democrat in his heart. Democrat these days = commie doncha know. And quite honestly, I can see him standing up if he won and switching parties and ‘bwahahahahahing’ all around the Capitol building. I wish I could turn the sarcasm off, but this is too plausible.
Okay, when b. Hussein first came on the scene I did not believe he was Muslim, and I never got that email. And know nothing but what you posted about this guy who started the rumor.
But over time I have witnessed in his own behavior that yes, he might be a closet Muslim. And I didn’t need this bozo to plant the thought.
I can tell you this much, that with ALL the Muslims and Muslim countries backing him, THEY certainly believe he is. Or is at least extremely sensitive to their politics.
This is a very scary election. I don’t want either one to win.
chapoutier said:
That is centered around Black Liberation Theology by James Hal Cone who was heavily influenced by Malcom X. Hmmmm. Didn’t have to do much digging there.
BINGO!
I have stated this before:
Obama is not one of us.
His culture is more Islamic than Christian. His formative, foundational years were spent in an Indonesian school where he was engaged in Islamic studies, not Christian ones. Heck, he never had to say the Pledge of Allegiance, either.
As a Catholic, I too sense an alienation from Obama that I have never before experienced from a candidate, not even Hillary Clinton! At least I know that Hillary is local born and bred… Obama? NOPE.
My mind is in a squirrel cage not unlike what I would imagine would be the case with someone in a situation where they knew they were going to die and there was nothing they could do about it – Going round and round looking for a way out and knowing there isn’t any.
I totally agree. It is undeniable that Barack Obama is a cultural Muslim, and that is what is so scary. Check out the link by Goldwater Knight.
Nearly everyone gets his values from his parents. For example, I grew up as an army brat and was raised Catholic. Those are my values.
Obama grew up with a mother that hates America and married two Muslims to escape. He went to school as a Muslim in Indonesia. Nearly all his relatives are Muslim. He married a woman that has never been proud of America in her life. He attends a Marxist church that has at its goal the destruction of American values.
And we are supposed to think this guy is “American” and will defend our way of life? No wonder every Muslim is enthusiastic about him. It is their best chance to destroy America they have ever had.
It was ME, I did it. Allah be Praised!
He father was a mohammedan, his step father was a mohammedan, he attened a mohammedan madrassa registered as a mohammedan, he hangs with the PLO Chicago, he hangs with Nation of Islam Chicago.
Other than that it is all speculation. Allah be praised.
Ok, but no 72 virgins for you love2rumba.
Death to America.
Same here! Army brat, raised Catholic. And I recognize in Obama unAmericanism.
To quote someone else’s term, Obama is a Trojan Horse for all the special interests that seek to destroy America.
And they have the 5th Column with the Left supporting it all.
Islam is an old enemy to us Catholics… we were the ones who drove it out of Europe.
From G.K. Chesterton, on the witness of Mohammed:
“…And what was this thing that thrust me back with an energy of a thing alive; whose fanaticism could drive me from Sicily and tear up my deep roots from out of the rock of Spain?
What faith was theirs who thronged in thousands of every class and country crying out that my ruin was the will of God; and what hurled great Godfrey as from a catapult over the wall of Jerusalem; and what brought great Sobieski like a thunderbolt to the gates of Vienna?” – The Witness of the Heretics, The Everlasting Man.
According to Islamic Tradition Obama IS a Muslim.
That is from the New York Times. Further, when Obama was registered at school in Indonesia he was registered there as a Muslim and received religious education as such.
I take him at his word when he says he converted to “Christianity” (I put that in quotes because I didn’t see too much love and forgiveness coming out of Jeramiah Wright or vanilla ice Pfleger.) but the idea that having an apostate at the head of an infidel nation is going to help this clown that some of you want to see elected is crazy.
Arizona Neanderthal
I’ll just settle for one virgin well over the age of 18.
From Danial Pipes:
Please excuse me if you have seen this before, they are just snippets but the original links are there.
Muslims are remarkably adaptable when it suits their purposes. The above interpretation by Bill Grant would not surprise me.
More to the point, at best Obama’s muslim background would cause him to appease and hesitate at the worst possible time…it is kind of ironic…Dick Morris currently of Fox News was once on fire for Barack Obama…now he acts more and more nervous about Barack Obama-very interesting
# 64 BG
Thank you for the link to Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch..
Mr. Spencer has been featured in Human Events for many years…He has been on the front line exposing Islam – CAIR and et al before most even cared to study the effects of the “religion of peace” on our nation.
Dick Morris would have been on fire for Obama because he wanted to see Hillary defeated. Morris hates the Clintons.
Now he backs off from Obama since he served the purpose of eliminating Hillary’s election prospects.
LOL, so true.
For this thread, I will refer to this verse:
“If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”
Romans 12:18
Whether he is or isn’t, the Middle East will cheer, in the streets, if Obama is elected. Iran, Hamas and Syria will certainly become more aggressive, knowing that he and the congress will not take a stand; preferring the U.N. and “talks” over anything they do.
Change
Minor correction. John O’Neill, not Jim O’Neill. (apologies if someone has already caught this. I did look but may have missed it.)
A man for everyone…
Here is a thought: We need to look at how Muslims consider “who” is a muslim- If your father is a Muslim, YOU ARE A MUSLIM.
Yes this goes against what American’s believe in general- we believe we determine our own destiny and set our own course and believe what we want to believe- and that is what we are- but many parts of the world look at this differently-Your father (and sometimes your mother or Father and Mother) determine who you are…
Obama knows this deep down and that will give him an “in” with the Muslim community- it just will- no matter what he declares himself to be- even a practicing Marxist or a Black Liberation Theologist. What a “Perfect” thing- to please both sides…now it seems he wants to please evangeliticals and and everyone else (read this “just get me into that White House and we will be one with the World”- this is the REAL DANGER
heard this phrase? “I can be all things to all people” That will be Obama as President and the New World Order.
He doesn’t have to be a believing Muslim to be a real Muslim….he will be a friend to the Jihadist for sure- they have same goal as Marxist
Be Wary- know how the Muslim world thinks- don’t take my word- check it out for yourselves
I cannot take credit for this because it came in a “chain email” but the only difference I see between Obama and Osama is a little “b s”.
# 73 smb- Short and to the point – I love it!
this morning!
And thank you for the
Meet some Obama moonbats:
Obama Supporters Take His Middle Name as Their Own
Methinks you’re engaging in mighty battle with strawmen there, see-dubya.
There are legitimate questions re: Islam’s impact on Obama then & now.
Suffice to say the MSM doesn’t have the best reputation for checking their fave (i.e. Democrat-Liberal) candidate’s closets for any skeletons.
I don’t know of any thoughtful person who considers Daniel Pipes as the “Right’s equivalent of Truthers”. Here is the last in a 3 part series of articles he wrote wherein vaild, reasonable and unanswered points have been raised.
Barack Obama’s Muslim Childhood – April 29, 2008
(parts 1 & 2 are linked to at bottom of article)
We’ll never get the truth out of Obama about the extent of his Muslim past. His rendition will be like his sanitized description of Wright’s church, just your typical black church, singing, fellowship, exuberance, and quiet reflection, which is a lie. He’s not honest. If anyone does try to research his “Muslim roots”, whatever that might mean, they will be accused of smears. How about revealing what are the facts, the truth.
Vandals spray paint over 60 cars with anti-Obama messages and racial slurs.
Business cards were found at the seen that had messages of support for Hillary Clinton.
So much for unity!
no, these dirtbags have unity,
“club stupid”
The tards at kos have their own to stop Obama smear emails. These people are a pathetic lot.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/29/10279/9583/447/543666
Isn’t the truth usually less attractive than fantasy? Our experience is the left has more fondness for conspiracy theories than the right. That’s the driving force behind this funding, a desire to reveal who’s pulling the strings. The truth is, some idiot(s) started it, we know that because it’s out there and didn’t get there by itself. I don’t need to know any more than that.
The left and its conspiracy theories, especially when they see conspiracies of thought, like bigotry, racial stereotypes, or sexism. They believe racial stereotypes exist, are living, and drive peoples’ thought. The truth is you have individuals who choose to believe that for example women are more emotional than men. The left thinks there’s this sexual stereotype out there that says women are more emotional than men, and it goes out and infects people with it. To them it exists, like Dawkin’s meme or Jung’s collective unconscious or perhaps Platonic forms. And if we could just control the sources of these meme viruses we could control society and what men and women think. That’s what’s driving Danielle Allen’s investigation into the source of this email, in my humble opinion.
# 80 Thank you for the link…
the socialistst have always been more organized than the normal WORKING for $$$$ U.S. citizen…thus –the socialists get the $$$$ that the normal U.S. citizen makes via the elected …..
seargeantmajorbill, we are forthwith sending you $500,000 to find out who started that “chain mail”….
Whether or not he is a Muslim i believe is irrelevant. What is relevant is how he is going to handle extremism and keep us safe, I believe that he will ultimately fail us in that task. Does anyone remember recently the Muslim men who walked onto a school bus, claiming that it was an accident? Liberal or not, what moron parent out there really wants this joker in charge when we have our Beslan? When suicide bombers hit our shopping malls? Our economy is ripe for these type of attacks…we cannot handle them right now. Liberals, say what you want about Bush, but I believe we have not had terrorist attacks because the middle east govts know that he will hit them back. Obama? They know he won’t. 4 year spree of terrorists gone wild? Bet they will feel like kids in a candy store!!
One word: taqqiya.
I doubt Obama worships anything but himself. I also don’t doubt that most Muslims think that he is a Muslim, for all the reasons outlined above. Muslims can be fooled as easily as anyone else, possibly easier.
What happens when they realize he is NOT their particular friend?
Just ask one of his 14 half-brothers and sisters. He attended a Muslim school with him in Indonesia as a child. I guess Obammessiah threw his prayer rug under the bus. And, I would think that law-abiding Muslims might take great offense at Obammessiah expending energy and resources to vehemently deny being a Muslim.
Not any more than they care about you vehemently denying being a Muslim. Funny that, how much they don’t care about non-Muslims stating that they’re…um, well…non-Muslims.