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1. #101
   On July 1st, 2008 at 8:24 am, Flarn said:

   On June 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
   I just missed the Baby Boom, being born in 1964, and all the commericials aimed at them make me want to wretch.

   Actually, you are a Boomer. The Baby Boom lasted from 1946 to 1964.

2. #102
   On July 1st, 2008 at 8:38 am, RobM1981 said:

   I think it’s interesting to note that quite a few people here, at an obviously conservative blog-site, agree with the following statements:

   1. The Allies probably could not have beaten Hitler without Stalin. Perhaps, maybe, the A-Bomb would have done it, but without the Bomb it is arguable whether we had the ability or the stomach for taking on the whole Wehrmacht.

   2. The “Greatest Generation” is a non-starter name for a lot of us. For the troops in the front lines, including a great deal of my family, there is never enough gratitude. What those men did is unbelievable – just like many men do today – and it is worthy of our highest praise. But, as said here by others, as a generation this group was hardly stellar. These are the people who voted in most of the socialist programs that are now strangling us. These are the parents of the hippies who have won the culture war and eroded our society to where it is today.

   Like today, they had their great people and their bums.

   I’m sure that PBS will slant things like they always do. They will run a production that is basically a lie, because they like the sound of the lies.

   But at some point you gain enough wisdom to realize that the most effective lies are the ones that have a grain of truth in them. That’s what makes them so believable. Americans like to think that we won WWII, and we often think we did it alone. We did win the war, but we hardly did it alone. The Soviet Union spilled far more blood than we did. That’s the truth that this show will likely base its lies on. I’ll watch, if I can, and comment…

   Churchill saw Stalin for what he was – an animal, every bit as bad as Hitler. Roosevelt – a fine orator but a lousy president (sound like any candidates you know?) – was too foolish to see it.

   Churchill made a deal with the Devil, knowing that he had no choice and that he would have to clean up his own mess later. Roosevelt, like most ignorant liberals, thought he could “talk sense” to Stalin.

   As in most things, Roosevelt was a fool.

   This would be an interesting place to actually rehash these topics…

3. #103
   On July 1st, 2008 at 8:43 am, graysonret said:

   Thanks, BarryF. I haven’t read the Western Civilization one yet. Think I’ll order that one. There is also the P.I.G. Constitution that is a favorite of mine.

4. #104
   On July 1st, 2008 at 8:46 am, terrig said:

   Texhoma, amazing story of your amazing father and those with whom he served. Wow, it really was touching to read about his story this morning.
   Regarding the baby boom-I was born in 1964 and I am proud to say I have nothing in common with any of those clowns who were graduating from high school the year I was born. I really think they need to cut that off at 1958, because everyone I know in the age group of those being born in 1959 and later constantly bemoan the fact that we’re lumped in with the most self-absorbed generation that ever lived before. When many of them were all smoking pot in 1968, I was 4 years old. Funny, this same group who were the hippies get all the press and lines in the history books. Those who answered the call of duty are pretty much limited to a few paragraphs. It’s too great of a time span-we have nothing in common with most of those people.
   I watched about 15 minutes of this thing and really couldn’t stomach it anymore. Perhaps many will say that is a weak or cowardly response but it’s become accepted to treat poorly those who served since the Viet Nam war overall in our media-Frontline has done a few things on our current conflicts that didn’t show the military in the greatest light either, just like the slimes, olberdouche, etc. But generally the Greatest Generation has been left alone. Time for PBS’s funding to go the way of the dinosaur.

5. #105
   On July 1st, 2008 at 8:53 am, Concerned Citizen said:

   those who have always believed in the “necessity” of bombing German and Japanese civilians

   Oddly enough, once the military was defeated, there was no insurgency.

   You don’t win by killing the enemy, but by killing his will to fight.

6. #106
   On July 1st, 2008 at 8:57 am, Chief RZ said:

   It is somewhat amazing and at the same time curious that the liberal PBS would in any way say that communist Russia was bad. I almost can’t believe it, but then again, communists did kill the previous “head of state” until Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev was allowed to live out his natural life.

   On the other topic, revisionism, these people have found a way to sell books and broadcast their twisted view of reality on the public dime!

7. #107
   On July 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am, Blind_Mule said:

   Chief RZ said:
   It is somewhat amazing and at the same time curious that the liberal PBS would in any way say that communist Russia was bad. I almost can’t believe it, but then again, communists did kill the previous “head of state” until Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev was allowed to live out his natural life.

   It’s all leading up to the evil english speakers and how we adopted stalin, hitler type tactics against the innocent population, so of course they have to show you how evil Russia is to make us look evil also.

8. #108
   On July 1st, 2008 at 10:22 am, Yashmak said:

   Mookie said:

   3. I don’t consider Pat Buchanan to be a conservative.

   You’ve got to be kidding me. He founded “The American Conservative” and ran for the Republican presidential nomination. He runs about as socially conservative as they come.

   It’s like saying “I don’t consider apples to be fruit.”

   One thing he isn’t, however, is a historical expert. His education was as a journalist (he holds a Masters Degree).

9. #109
   On July 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am, josetheguerilla said:

   I saw the War of the Worlds last night on PBS. It was a feeble attempt to put WWI, and WWII in “Modern World Perspective”. That means to view everything through a politically correct secular progressive filter. The author mentioned Martians, and Aliens through all parts of the presentation. I wonder what he’s been smoking?

   /s/

   José

10. #110
    On July 1st, 2008 at 10:32 am, corona said:

    Wow – truly one of the most embarrassing threads to appear on this site. Yeah, this is one that makes “wingnuts” just as valid a name as “nutroots”.

    Does anybody realize that Niall Ferguson is one of the few prominent right-wing historians?

11. #111
    On July 1st, 2008 at 10:34 am, Blind_Mule said:

    josetheguerilla said:
    I wonder what he’s been smoking?

    Chronic, Hash, Opium or Exhaust fumes

12. #112
    On July 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am, Blind_Mule said:

    corona said:

    Does anybody realize that Niall Ferguson is one of the few prominent right-wing historians?

    In what country? I will give him this, he is an equal opportunity trasher, but to truly make an assesment of this program I’ll have to watch the whole series.

13. #113
    On July 1st, 2008 at 10:59 am, nbarry said:

    Much of this is speculation about next week’s episode. It’s common knowledge that civilian populations suffered during our offensive operations even though our principle motivation was to win a decisive victory as fast as possible. The true test will come in how Ferguson treats the postwar period, when enmity gave way to the Marshall Plan and reconstruction in the Pacific. Winston Churchill laid out his credo, which is what we pretty much followed and Stalin contemptuously dismissed: “In war, resolution. In defeat, defiance. In victory, magnanimity. In peace, goodwill.”

14. #114
    On July 1st, 2008 at 11:25 am, spackle said:

    It amazes me that the people who denigrate the “greatest generation” are the same people who made the USA a cesspool of PC and multiculturalism. The “Baby Boomers”! And now that they are attacking their parents ONCE AGAIN just proves that they are stuck in permanent adolescence. In the UK 50% of sales of all skin care products is purchased by boomers. With the exception of a few the boomers are the single most selfish, narcissistic and destructive generation in history. As fate would have it I just wrote about this on my own blog.

15. #115
    On July 1st, 2008 at 11:25 am, Barry F. said:

    …I’ll have to watch the whole series.

    Better you than me, BM. I don’t think I could stomach it.

16. #116
    On July 1st, 2008 at 12:05 pm, kemphd said:

    Niall Ferguson might be considered by some a right-wing historian (as one who has a PhD in history from the UK, I don’t have much respect for Ferguson), but saying that the aim of strategic bombardment was to kill civilians is a blatant lie. I currently work for the Air Force as an historian and have access to actual WWII documents. In those, the purpose of strategic bombardment was to destroy the ability of Germany and Japan to produce war materials. The argument over day and night bombing was about how to do that while at the same time LIMITING civilian deaths. Americans bombed during the day so that they could be more accurate with their bombing in order to PROTECT civilian lives while putting their own at greater risk by exposing themselves to significant levels of anti-aircraft fire. The British, on the other hand, were not quite as concerned about civilian deaths because of what they had already suffered at the hands of German bombing. So, they limited their exposure to anti-aircraft fire by flying at night, which raised the civilian death rate. However, the AIM and FOCUS of the raids continued to be military production targets. For Ferguson to suggest otherwise is a total FALLACY and he should know better!

17. #117
    On July 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    With the exception of a few the boomers are the single most selfish, narcissistic and destructive generation in history.

    Everyone blames their parents…

18. #118
    On July 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm, Django said:

    On July 1st, 2008 at 10:32 am, corona said:

    Does anybody realize that Niall Ferguson is one of the few prominent right-wing historians?

    So therefore conservatives are obligated to agree with every single thing he writes or says? No. That’s how libs operate.

    Additionally, simply because the freaked out netherworlds of academia and the media declare him a conservative or “right winger” doesn’t mean all conservatives have to carry Ferguson on our backs whether we like it or not.

19. #119
    On July 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm, spackle said:

    Alohaguy-
    Okay. So what is your point and where am I wrong?

20. #120
    On July 1st, 2008 at 6:36 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    spackle said:
    Alohaguy-
    Okay. So what is your point and where am I wrong?

    It’s no big deal but it struck me funny. Every generation seems to think their parents screwed everything up. Maybe so.

    But this part of your statement “the boomers are the single most …destructive generation in history” is a pretty strong statement. I’ve never thought of Stalin and Hitler, or Pot and Mao (is that two different generations?) as Boomers.

21. #121
    On July 1st, 2008 at 7:54 pm, KCK said:

    I hope that this forum will remember that I described just this type of event happening: the redaction of WW II history to meet liberal views.

    What the libs don’t realize is that as the Greatest Generation becomes sunset or enfeebled by age, their sons and daughters will still be around with a solid foundation of thought regarding WW II history.

    I heard my father’s war stories first hand (Italian Theater) and I’ll be standing picket duty against the BS machines like PBS.

22. #122
    On July 2nd, 2008 at 10:52 am, spackle said:

    Alohaguy-

    I am referring to those responsible for the destruction of our culture. Not guns bombs and individuals. By the way. My folks arent boomers. : )

23. #123
    On July 2nd, 2008 at 12:42 pm, corona said:

    You can’t make this stuff up:
    

    So therefore conservatives are obligated to agree with every single thing he writes or says? No. That’s how libs operate.

    I hope that this forum will remember that I described just this type of event happening: the redaction of WW II history to meet liberal views.

24. #124
    On July 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 pm, RetFireman said:

    Dresden had no military significance? i recommend you go and do a bit of research on what was being produced and where in Germany, why certain targets were chosen etc.

    Also, you don’t have to watch that drivel where Liberals continue to do all they can to show how all anyone really needed to do was just hold hands, sing “kumbaya” and all would be right with the world…apparently, they are here too.

    As the men and women who lived during WWII, especially those who fought that war, die by the thousands of old age every day, so much of that period will be lost. This is where the revisionists step in and attempt to re-write history. It becomes so much easier to do when there are none left to defend themselves against such heartless and unconscionable attacks. It will soon become another episode of how if they tell the lie often enough and loud enough, it will soon be regarded as truth, and before you know it, you will see how the US and it’s alies were the real perpetrators of the war and that Hitler, Tojo and Musselini were all peace loving pacifists who were provoked into fighting against their will and that Roosevelt committed heinous war crimes and committed the country to war by his “First Strike” motto.

    Remember…the “Holocost” never occurred, there were no murders of 6 million Jews, 5 million ethnic and religious minorities and the 65-70 million killed in the war were all civilians that were murdered by out of control baby raping, mother stabbing, father beating American soldiers who couldn’t get into college, were all too stupid to write their own names…and the 450,000 American deaths were all blacks because their commanders put them in the front while “whitey” stayed home.

    Sound about right?