More on the odious Wesley Clark
Former Hillary cheerleader and new Barack Obama suck-up Wesley Clark won’t apologize for his moronic remarks about John McCain’s military service and lack of “executive responsibility.” Pete Hegseth of Vets for Freedom lays into Clark. So does a reader who had the misfortune of experiencing a small part of Wes Clark’s own brand of “executive responsibility:”
From reader Don W.:
I was in the 1/77 Armor with then Ltc Wes Clark. What a story that is. Many good men left the Army rather than serve with him. I even joked I would move to Israel if he became very influential. Imagine my apprehension when I heard he got the NATO command.
[Clark] was bragging in 1981 that Al Haig would ask him to serve with Mr. Reagan. Now he’s a Democrat. Wow.
He once made a comment about being a tanker with dusty boots. That made me furious. He knew very little about tanks or the men who fought them. He proved himself to be an idiot to me and several others in 1981 on my tank in the motor pool. He “inspected” my tank in an effort to embarass me in front of my Co and the Battalion staff. I knew little about the 2 things he inspected, so I figured he was right when he said my brakes were bad and the battery compartment should not be wet. Later, with my platoon sgt., we read the manual and found out my brakes were fine and battery compartments always have water.
…I just wish more people knew the truth about him.
Other memorable examples of Wes Clark’s “executive” leadership skills:
*Crusading to kick rush Limbaugh off of Armed Forces Radio.
*Embracing an anti-war hoaxer.
*Paying homage to the Kos Kidz.
*And from the milblog Command Post five years ago, a round-up of his career as the “model of a political general,” including a lovely photo of Clark trading hats with Bosnian Serb Gen. Ratko Mladic, an indicted war criminal and fugitive from justice. More:
Then there’s what some former subordinates and co-workers had to say on Counterpunch :
“The poster child for everything that is wrong with the GO (general officer) corps,” exclaims one colonel, who has had occasion to observe Clark in action, citing, among other examples, his command of the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood from 1992 to 1994.
[...]Such strong reactions are common. A major in the 3rd Brigade of the 4th Infantry Division at Fort Carson, Colorado when Clark was in command there in the early 1980s described him as a man who “regards each and every one of his subordinates as a potential threat to his career”.
While he regards his junior officers with watchful suspicion, he customarily accords the lower ranks little more than arrogant contempt. A veteran of Clark’s tenure at Fort Hood recalls the general’s “massive tantrum because the privates and sergeants and wives in the crowded (canteen) checkout lines didn’t jump out of the way fast enough to let him through”.
As for his judgement in times of crisis – well, it’s not often that I’ll quote the Grauniad, but this is what they had to say :
As allied troops moved into Kosovo, 200 Russian troops made a surprise dash from Bosnia and occupied Pristina airport, where [UK] General Sir Mike Jackson, the commander of the international K-For peacekeeping force, was to make his headquarters. Gen Clark ordered Gen Jackson to storm the airport at which point the British commander was reported to have said: “I’m not going to start the third world war for you.”
…As for General Clark’s views on “Unilateral Action”, they seem change markedly, depending on who is in power. From Col. Jafras USAF (Retd) :
Nancy Hey began the questioning by expressing her opposition to the U.S. being the “World’s Policeman.” Clark went into a long explanation of how we can’t stand by while people are being killed, there’s genocide and ethnic cleansing, etc., etc. He acknowledged that we can’t be everywhere but in the case of Kosovo we could do something. When Nancy pressed him about not getting involved in other countries’ civil wars and internal problems, his reply was, “Shouldn’t we have done something about the Holocaust?” I told him that trying to equate Kosovo to the Holocaust was ridiculous. When another person questioned his position that we should have gone in on the ground as one that would have resulted in unacceptable casualties, Clark replied that the Yugoslav Army in Kosovo, which remain hidden to avoid the bombing was demoralized and probable would not fight.
The reason why General Clark has been so opposed to the Iraq war appears to be quite simple : Because it’s the Republicans who’re doing it.
He has the whole Clinton electoral mafia (I don’t use the word perjoratively) behind him. I think he’s a shoe-in as Democratic VP candidate – if that’s what he’ll settle for. He’s the consumate politician, and always has been. He knows which way the wind blows, and bends accordingly. A true “Little Napoleon”.
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How hypercritical you criticizing someone for not knowing when you do not know, especially when it is your responsibility. I would not want to serve under Clark or Don W.
By the the ‘you’ I meant reader Don W.
I’m curious. Apart from Clark’s idiotic political leanings, what kind of commander was he?
Other than a few anecdotal stories I’ve read here and there, I really haven’t seen much regarding Clark’s command career.
Can anyone point me to some information?
I hope they keep Wesley”deer-in-the-headlights” Clark around as a reminder that Obambi has a perverted view of patriotism.
Just added more info.
Wesley Clark isn’t worth paying attention to. This is exactly why he was hand-picked as a surrogate; everyone is giving him the attention instead of Obama.
Don’t give in to the cycle, MM; go after the puppetmaster instead of the puppet.
While I don’t like a lot of what Clark does I think that Don W’s post does not truly add to the list. There has to be a bigger story than that for you to say so many people wanted to leave rather than serve under him right?
Thank you for adding more Michelle
Wade – I knew a Colonel in the USAF who could quote directly from the Technical Orders, even things that I didn’t know and were classified. I get the feeling that Clark was/is exactly the opposite.
It looks like Don W. was verifying what the “brave LtC Wes Clark” was telling him during the inspection as Don didn’t want to get caught disagreeing with a LtC without being able to prove that the LtC was wrong and only trying to embarass him. That was also why the platoon Sergeant got involved.
Hypercritical is you criticizing Don for not drinking the Wesley Crusher Clark cool-aid.
I oppose the Fairness Doctrine, but I don’t see the problem with trying to get Rush Limbaugh off of Armed Forces Radio. Limbaugh’s rhetoric is very divisive and could serve hurt the morale of soldiers abroad of a more liberal persuasion.
As for Clark being photographed with a war criminal, so what?
Weasle Clark is refered to as:
TGTWF (The General That Was Fired).
Clark’s days in politics are over. He screwed, up so now he’ll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog sh*t out of Hong Kong.
I see again that Rusty is all for censorship. Thanks Rusty.
I also notice the usual Rusty Moral Equivalence.
Rusty #9
Who else do you want off the radio?
I doubt that Wesley Clark has ever eaten a mashed-potato sandwich.
Anyway, it sounds like we have a winner here, a perfect running mate for Mr. Obama or at the very least Secretary of Defense. Too bad he burned his bridges with McCain, but it strongly appears Clark hates conservatives so there is still hope.
Reminder: Those interested in attending the last rites for the American republic, please be sure to sign up no later than January 20, 2009.
Tough sh!t, A large part of the military is conservitive so let’s take Rush off AFR so a few mindless libtards don’t get thier feelings hurt and squelch freedom of speech. Cry me a river, you truly are a moron.
My hope is that Obama ties himself to Clark but I don’t think he is that dumb. My fear is that he gets someone credible like Sam Nunn to run interference for him.
If Wes Clark is the best they can do for VEEP on the left then we just won. I can’t imagine they would be so stupid, but I can keep my fingers crossed that they do it. Just another stupid Arkansas politician.
I am not for censorship. I am against the Armed Forces broadcasting something so inherently divisive. One can be conservative without treating political opponents like idiotic traitors.
The Fairness Doctrine is ridiculous because, even if the government owns the waves, there’s a free marketplace at work. That’s not the case in the military where there’s a captive audience. Exposing a captive audience to a hateful buffoon whose purpose is to divide the country is not in the military’s best interests.
Sorry Rusty, but Rush isn’t “inherently devisive”. He also doesn’t treat political opponents like “idiotic traitors”. He’s also not a “hateful buffoon”
Here’s a hint – stay away from the Kos.
And Rusty, wanting Rush to be off of Armed Forces Radio just because you don’t like him is censorship.
(forgot something)
And Rusty, wanting Rush to be off of Armed Forces Radio just because you don’t like him is censorship.
Fist of all, there should be no water in the battery compartment. Yes, it happens. Clean it out.
Second, Clark is a pants down shill for anything democrat. McCain’s Vietnam story is an American classic. Clark mis represents that the candidate “has no executive experience”. This is wrong, and it tells me the truth about all of these stories – I believe them!
Clark is one of those guys you hate to be around, because he’s flinging you know what everywhere he goes. The Russians at the airport story is the classic from Bosnia, but I blamed Clinton. Maybe Clark needs some of that, too.
I wonder about the “fired” bit. Wasn’t he fired by Clinton? If so, why does he bed up w the Clinton camp so much?
sigh
Rush isn’t trying to divide the country. That’s for people like Rusty.
some clown said:
During four years in the Army, I never once listened to Armed Forces Radio. The radios sold at the PX had on/off switch and tuning dials, just like the one’s the civilians listened to.
Presently, we are reading the blather of a buffoon who only wants to stir things up, but we can ignore him, if we choose to.
ignore who?
Try reading this again
Why are you making excuses for Don? Seems you read what you want to read into Don’s words and then do not understand what my words say exactly. Ease off the coffee..
Drudge is reporting that Obama has already thrown Clark under the bus …
According to the AP, “Obama told an audience in Independence, Mo., that McCain had ‘endured physical torment in service to our country’ and ‘no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters on both sides.’”
In the “Old Army”, there is kidding around and putting down of other services. Beerhall joking. In public, though, the ranks close. Every swinging Richard that wore the uniform is an upstanding guy. Break that rule, and crawl with the worms, IMO.
Ask a WW II vet. They hold up every service member as honorable. Clerk typist? Motor pool mechanic? Doesn’t matter – all stand up guys.
Clark’s behavior is beneath the dignity of the uniform.
Who? The Scott Beauchamps spread abroad?
I think that is a very, very small minority of people in the armed forces of the U.S.
The vast majority are there to serve our country, not try to denigrate it.
Rusty, having a different view from yours is not “devisive”. Countries who prevent such “devisive” talk include the USSR, nazi germany, cambodia under pol pot, red china, north korea, cuba etc etc. As for generaly bad clark, he just highlighted obamas total lack of any knowledge of the military. He did us a favor. And the hate filled huffpo’s went one step further. They claim McCain is a tratior because he signed papers and made propoganda films after years of torture. The code of conduct says you should resist such things, not that you should die before doing them.
KCK, there should however be distilled water in the battery CELLS, if they are the same batteries I am thinking of.
Wade – I read exactly what Don was saying; didn’t read anything into it that wasn’t there. Then I read your words criticizing Don.
I’m not the one with the comprehension problem.
Rusty
Well, I would have absolutely loved to have had a Rush Limbaugh on AFR in Nam and Clark trading hats with that puke is indicative of his loser status. Would the Fairness Doctrine be applied to the Randi Rhodes, Al Frankens and other slugs? No it wouldn’t now would it?
It is strange how Wesley Clark’s position has flip-flopped from 2004 to 2008.
In July 2004 he was singing John Kerry’s praises at the Democrat’s convention in Boston as to how his time in the military makes him ideal to be president.
What changed? I wonder.
His underwear? (I hope)
You are damned right I am critizing Don the same as I critized Clark, so why do you bring your snotty remark on here I am a hypercrite.
You read what you want and then come on here with you “Well this is what he meant” liberal talking points. EOD
Well said.
First lets connect some dots on Clark and remember he was the CO of Fort Hood at the time it provided the tanks used in the Waco BBQ and was after that advanced over other more qualified people due to what many say was pressure from the White House.
Clark started VoteVets and Jon Stolz from there had his hat handed to him yesterday over trying to support Clark on Fox with Laura Ingraham.
Video Link
I served under a man like him for almost 3 years when I was in the Navy. It was his doing that drove every single one of the up-and-coming junior officers out at the tail end of our commissions. To say he was a horrible man would be an understatement. The way you’ve described this General reminds me of this breed of officer…
wasn’t Clark dismissed during the Clinton administration?
I think maybe he is devisive and should be kicked off the internet.
During my time listening to AFN they did not carry Rush (I don’t think he was on the radio back then) but they did carry some PBS programming. Don’t know if they still carry PBS or not, but if they do, doesn’t that balance them out? And would the Fairness Doctrine also include PBS?
Aren’t they free to turn the radio off? Personally I can’t stand the guy and turn him off every time he comes on the air. That is the freedom I FOUGHT FOR.
Wade #37
Stop projecting.
I read what was there – nothing more, nothing less – and I responded to it. And now you’re attacking me as a snotty liberal.
You’re the one who needs to read what is actually posted.Only then can anyone have a civilized discussion with you.
Thanks, I missed that last night, John Stolz is a typical liberal, talking over people, never answering the question and just regurgitating talking points. LOL, Laura does a great job of showing just what fools they really are.
Thanks again
Some of them are idiotic traitors. Most (if not all) are simply idiotic, but that’s liberalism for you.
Buying into the notion that the airwaves are “public” and that the government “owns” them. BS to both.
#28 how is this a “under the bus” quote?
It seems like in this case Obama was trying to clean up the mud slinging that went too far.
I’ts a game, Mike. Just like Wright told Obama over a year ago that he’d have to distance himself from him, just like the entire Obama/Wright thing was calculated and planned every step of the way, so is Clark’s criticising McCain for Obama. No one got thrown under the bus.
#48:
hook, line, and sinker.
I’m glad to be able to repeat what I said in another thread:
My friend served with Clark when they were officers of equal rank. He was sneaky, self-serving and untrustworthy. Put those three things together and its easy to figure out why no one liked him.
These were his peers, over whom he had no influence and with whom he should have had solidarity or camaraderie. In short, he stinks.
When the shoe fits… seriously though, just from personal experience I can tell you I would much rather have a divisive radio host who tells the truth about how the democrats are trying to undermine the military every step of the way and only pass funding and measures that ensure success when it suits their needs or they are forced to by public opinion.
Do you seriously think Pelosi, Boxer, et al have the interests of the common ground pounder like I was at heart when making policy decisions?
MNUSMCDavid, The Fairness Doctrine is a bunch of crap. I can’t reiterate that enough. And I don’t think liberal mudslingers should be on Armed Forces radio either.
I can’t listen to Rush Limbaugh for half an hour without him calling me a stupid name because of something I believe. And if you don’t think there are some liberals in the Armed Forces, that’s crazy.
There’s a difference between liberal and conservative analysis and people attacking those who disagree with them. Rush Limbaugh is not conducive to a friendly cohesive environment.
Clark was a General commanding an army. McCain was a pilot flying a plane. Who knows more about command?
This is not swiftboating because
* everyone admits it’s true
* it’s central to McCain’s campaign that he has military leadership experience — which he does not.
I guess that explains Clark’s interest in being a politician, huh?
Squadron Commander is a leadership position.
Get down and do push-ups until I get tired.
Rusty, when you sign up and actually serve than you can comment on what is on Armed Forces radio. He’s only on for an hour. BTW they had idiots from Spare America too but that was find and dandy right?
And if the math teacher actually served in the Army he would know how incompetent an Officer Clark was. Sometimes it’s not always the cream that rises to the top.
BTW missed both you boys when the rest of us and Chap were giving to the fund last week.
LOL!
Wes Clark=consummate politician=no conscience or character
Some of the programming I herd on Armed Forces Radio was liberal. For example, just about every story by CBS news. CBS news often has a liberal slant for their stories. One of their anchormen was fired for doing a hit piece on President Bush. Why should the radio only have the liberal view but no Rush? Liberals are all about First Amendment unless it’s something they don’t want anybody to hear. Hugo Chavez style!!!!!!!
LGM, McCain commanded a naval squadron. That is the same as an army battalion. The reason he never went further was because the NVA tortured him for years and cripled him. All he could do after that was staff work. You really should know what you are talking about before opening your mouth.
lgm,
You are being inconsistent in your reasoning (there’s a shocka!). You once argued that Michelle O was off limits because she wasn’t the candidate. So, fast forward to today and now Clark’s “military accomplishments” are supposed to say what exactly about Obama? Clark isn’t the candidate!! Just sayin’.
Clark was fired for incompetence for nearly starting WWIII and rose through the ranks stabbing people in the back all the way up.
McCain (despite his obvious policy flaws) got plenty of executive experience militarily. I suggest you look at this post from someone who knows about the details of running a fighter squadron.
P.S. How much executive or military experience does Obama have again? /crickets
And points are only true in liberal whacko land you live in. Why don’t you go visit your utopian friends in San Fran. I hear they have a few extra drug lords they need help shuttling out of the country you might be able to assist them with.
Oh my, he’s back
http://www.theneverforgottensite.com/
Got mine in fort carson last week.
Thanks for sharing sonofdy – I ordered mine.
LGM, I don’t think fluffy is tired yet. Keep pushing. If you can’t do any more, its time for flutter kicks. Just remember, you can’t smoke a
rockquitter!!!!sonofdy
I agree with your equivalence of the squadron to the battalion …
however …
it is an accepted fact that had McCain stayed in he was going to be promoted to Admiral at the next naval promotion board meeting … he decided he would rather leave the service and pursue a continuation of his public service in the government …
Well, I see lgm made it by to play.
I suppose your answer is “Clark”, the guy that got fired?
Contrary to your liberal talking points, “everyone” includes more than just other liberals.
Now, I’m not a McCain fan but even I know that is not the central premise of his campaign.
huh… hadn’t heard that. I couldn’t blame him either way really, considering his injuries I wouldn’t have blamed him for getting out the second he got home. Good for him.
One of the great truths of Internet life. Don’t feed the troll.
I am waiting to hear what “leadership experience” Bambi has. Anyone? Does throwing people uner the bus count?
Obamas leadership experience:
Cult leader 2007 – 2008
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nope thats it.
LGM is tired of flutter kicks, time for the low crawl through the mud. Fluffy are you tired yet?
No, I never get tired of seeing sweaty T-shirts grinding into red Ft. Benning clay.
Git yer ass down, lgm!!
fluffy
I figure that ass was down for the count after the first push-up …
Wasn’t Wesley Clark in line to head “F-Troop” back in the sixties??
I believe the military gives hardship discharges to uber-sensitive leftists.If nothing else their constant crying jags would interrupt the little rest other soldiers should be getting.
I agree, but we’ve already hashed over Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s insane racist rantings hereabouts more than once. Unless he’s mking a comeback, of course.
LGM, you don’t know anything about the military do you?
Wesley Clark and Michael Moore. That says all that needs to be said.
Probably nothing more than what he has read on DU, TNR, Dk, etc., L2R.
Back in the cold war when I was flying in the Navy, we were stationed in Iceland and our barracks were right next to the Air Force. We railed on each other every day but when it came time to launch, we were up there together depending on each other to do our respective jobs in a highly professional manner so we didn’t kill ourselves or each other. I can never, not even once, remember an argument where one service was denigrating the other as being less professional. I DO remember causing a near-riot when I was caught trying to rip the 457th Fighter Interceptor Squadron sign off of the front of their barracks at around 3am in the morning. I cannot understand these remarks by Wesley Clark. I can only surmise that he has drank heavily from the cup of political BS and it has poisoned his brain.
In the new military, the services will still joke about each other but when it comes down to it we all fight on the same side. damn marines…..
Whatever your opinion of Wesley Clark, he was not impugning John McCain’s military record whatsoever. He was only making a fairly obvious point that being a war hero doesn’t necessarily make you fit to be commander in chief. I love Jessica Lynch, but I’m not about to say she should be President.
If you think John McCain’s foreign policy experience in the Senate makes him fit, remember that he said before the Iraq war that there was no history of Sunnis and Shiites fighting, remember that he recently thought that Iran trains Al Qaeda (not a gaffe, he said it three times), and remember that he thought troop levels in Iraq were back to pre-surge levels.
The man obviously has NO CLUE what is going on in that part of the world. It is proven. If Barack Obama had made ANY of those assertions, there would be holy hell among conservative bloggers and the mainstream media.
#9 rusty said:
Wow, maybe your right, Rusty. Hidden behind the million or so US Military personnel who whole heartedly support their #1 supporter, Rush Limbaugh, maybe there are a few American “Spartans” who do consider themselves to be “cold-blooded killers,” (Murtha) and who believe that they are in Iraq because they didn’t study hard enough in school, (Kerry) and because they like to terrorize women and children in the middle of the night (Kerry) and because they feel akin in action to Hitler and Pol Pot (Durbin) and because they are constant “failures.” (Democrat Party since late 2003)
How dare Limbaugh quote the daily liberal mantras and treaties like those above. What a “hateful buffoon!”
Perhaps, but as Limbaugh proves by quoting liberals themselves on a daily basis, it is very, very difficult.
SURE HE WASN’T….
Clark hailed from Little Rock. Clark used that connection to advance his military career. While the Clintons were decimating the military and real soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen were leaving the service in droves, sychophantic officers like Clark prospered.
For those of us serving at the time, they were dark days for officers and enlisted personnel that signed on for love of country. For those more skilled in politics than combat, it was the perfect opportunity to advance a career so long as you were willing to step on the American flag. Clark has no problem stepping on anything and anyone to get what he wants and certainly has no problem with groveling and butt kissing.
Perhaps Clark gave Obama some pointers on the proper way to smooch Bubba’s backside – he certainly acquired a taste for it.
Just because Barack Obama is black and liberal does not excuse him from similar scrutiny…its called equal opportunity skepticism.
After BO praised military service, I was waiting for Code Pink to heckle him.
This was definitely a “good cop-bad cop” organization, with the nutroot blogs and Weasely Clark trying to throw crap on the record of a genuine war hero (you can say a lot of things negative about McCain, but he served honorably), with the Obammunist playing his innocent Obambi self and claiming to respect McCain’s record.
Why did CBS have Weasely Clark on, except they knew what he had been sent to do?
So, it is a “fairly obvious point” that a 20+ year military career, retiring as a Navy O-6, post squadron command, a couple of terms in the House, multiple terms in the Senate, essentially a lifetime of service doesn’t make you fit to be commander in chief, but a couple of years as a “community organizer” does?
J S,
They can’t see past denigrating McCain to see that their candidate has no clothes. It would be funny if it weren’t for the cult-like following the empty suit has.
I was in the Navy back in the 1980s. As a rule, people of a more liberal persuasion don’t join the military, although even the all volunteer military will get a few losers who join strictly for the benefits, and then cry like babies when they face the possibility of actual difficult service.
Hurt the morale of liberal soldiers abroad? I don’t know do human shields listen to Limbaugh? Meanwhile, on discovery green channel Limbaugh is the number one villain. Heh. Rush Limbaugh, faster than a fleeing leftist, more powerful than the democrat party, able to toss stupid liberals under the bus with one hand tied around his microphone.
And Obama does? At least McCain has actualy been there. Hell Obama still thinks the surge failed.
What, Ed? You don’t think it was nothing more than another astonishing coincidence?
You don’t believe it’s just another case of this is not the Wes Clark the Obamessiah knew?
30 pcs …
I think we are seeing the evolution of a new disease on the left … McDS … McCain Derangement Syndrome … described as a progressive disorder brought on as the result of excessively lengthy periods of BDS … (abbreviated this way to prevent any confusion with MDS) …
Have you ever heard of the Tom Joyner Morning Show Rusty? Talk about divisive, Tom Joyner would fit perfectly in the front pew of Rev Jeremiah Wrights hate church. Rush is on for one hour, Tom Joyner spews his black victimology crap for three hours on AFR.
ps You are an idiot!
I’ve served for nearly 20 years in the AF and have yet to hear any military member praise Clark.
Petraeus I heard about just after we went into Iraq.
lgm & Rusty must have never did a stint in the service,if so they didn’t do a tour overseas where AFR is broadcast.The military is the most diverse entity on earth and AFR has something for everyone.With music you can get what you like from rock,rap,latino,soul and even an hour or two of polka.Before one opens his pie hole he should have some facts.