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Things Liberals Like Which Hurt The Environment

By see-dubya  •  July 6, 2008 06:25 PM

Don Surber notes that it’s always things liberals dislike, things freighted with consumerist guilt, that the green left protests against the loudest. Meanwhile arugula…doesn’t, though it should.

It’s a well established pattern everybody gripes about SUV’s; nobody gripes about pickup trucks even though they get about the same lousy gas mileage. I think it’s because environitwits know instinctively that pickup drivers are immune to their green guilt, whereas suburban SUV-drivers might be more susceptible to it.

But Surber doesn’t stop at arugula. What else do liberal hippies love that hurts the environment?

Likewise, smoking marijuana. Besides carbon dioxide, it releases all sorts of carcinogens.

Protest marching also is dangerous to the environment. Signs are made with paper, which kills trees. Transportation to the site also releases carbon dioxide.

Now to write this up into a proposal and get my grant from the National Science Foundation. Hey, maybe I can get a MacArthur Grant for the genius behind this.

There’s actually much more on drugs and the environment: I’m already there on the marijuana, deforestation. But how about Ecstasy, favorite of of the club scene? Pop a tab, kill a tree. Cocaine? Decimating the rain forests. Opium? Same thing. Meth Labs? Don’t get me started.

However, I’m sure that all of these illicit drug manufacturers are buying carbon credits to offset their horrendous environmental damage. If not, conscientious liberals will no doubt abstain from using controlled substances until they clean up their act.

Still, that’s a pretty good effort from Don. Maybe not lefty-activist enough for a MacArthur Genius Grant, but it’s certainly good enough for a prestigious See-Dubya Genius Grant:

Now, somebody please give him half a million dollars, okay? Thanks.
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  1. #1
    On July 6th, 2008 at 6:31 pm, airbrush101 said:

    Illegal immigration should be at the top of the list with all the trash they leave behind.

  2. #2
    On July 6th, 2008 at 6:32 pm, swmbo said:

    Maybe they know pick-up trucks are like guns and bibles. Out of our cold dead hands. ;-)

    Line in the sand and all that good stuff.

  3. #3
    On July 6th, 2008 at 6:42 pm, graysonret said:

    You know that basic liberals are emotion-driven, not logic-driven. They don’t think things through, just go with whatever makes them “feel good”. They go with whatever is the “pc protest” of the day. When that’s out, and like a fad, they jump on the new “pc protest”. Somehow they feel like they are accomplishing something good. Usually, and they don’t understand this, they are being used for some political purpose.

  4. #4
    On July 6th, 2008 at 6:46 pm, PirateKing said:

    Most protest weenies don’t even know what they’re protesting about. They just find someone handing out signs and get in line and chant.
    Its like when they got a protest against “di-hydrogen monoxide” because it’s a major cause of death if you inhale or drink too much.

  5. #5
    On July 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm, Hangfire said:

    Aborted babies has got to leave one heck of a hazmat footprint. What do the libs do with all of them? Compost?

    I can’t bad-mouth the Prius, though. I keep one in the trunk of my

    1 9 7 7 LTD

    351 Cleveland 4-barrel FMX transmission dual exhaust octane-sucking power and

    no guilt whatsoever.

  6. #6
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:04 pm, ajmontana said:

    If grown indoors, the energy used is off the charts…..
    then there is lack of a productive life from the losers that “do inhale”

  7. #7
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:06 pm, HeatherRadish said:

    Birth control pills.

    Save the fish, unless it interferes with the one personal freedom “progressives” don’t want to take away.

  8. #8
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    1969 Camero Super Sport powered by 396. Is that eco friendly?

  9. #9
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    I’d say the liberal’s hatred of entrepreneurial competition and those who seek to acquire greatness destroys the environment. Anyone who attained greatness by revolutionizing mankind; making it better, has done so out of their own selfish ends and in the capitalist environment. Liberals seek to destroy innovative perseverance simply because it is great and usually do so in name of ‘public welfare’. My 2 cents.

  10. #10
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, HeatherRadish said:

    (Disclaimer: I don’t want to take any personal freedoms away, including that one, but I don’t get very excited about fish, either.)

  11. #11
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:08 pm, jambo said:

    Liberalism is a state of arrested development. Pretty much summarizes where their preferences will be, the first lofty idea with no thought of the consequences having been pursured.

    On-topic examples of their non-green preferences:
    1. Hollywood, which has a hoof print larger than the proposed ANWR drilling site. Hollywood itself should be returned to nature, let the natural critters have some space back.

    2. Windmills. Not to decry wind power, but it would take a wind farm of 3000 monster windmills to make the same energy in 1 yr as a typical 2-unit nuclear plant. Ever seen a wind farm with just 400 or 500 windmills? Not exactly pastoral beauty.

  12. #12
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:14 pm, Boomer said:

    On July 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm, Hangfire said:
    I can’t bad-mouth the Prius, though. I keep one in the trunk of my…..

    My youngest brother living in the Sacramento area finally gave up his full size Dodge pick-up truck for a Prius. Almost all of us in the family and the folks he works with were dumbfounded and couldn’t believe he had gone green, but he assured us he hasn’t changed it was strictly an economic decision and with the price of gas it seems like he made a safe bet for his commuting vehicle. He says it’s the only Prius he knows of that has an NRA sticker in the window. The only problem he has is finding a hitch for his trailer that pulls his 4-wheelers. :lol:

  13. #13
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    It’s really amazing how un-environmentally
    friendly some liberals are.

  14. #14
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:27 pm, bayou22 said:

    Well, their hypocrisy doesn’t stop at the environment (Al Gore, Leo DiCaprio, Chris Martin-Paltrow, I could go on…especially about the parades of SUV’s Harry & Nancy use both in DC and internationally…)

    How come they are willing to meet with Iran and Syria, yet they want Bush to boycott China at the Olympics? I thought they were all about dialogue, openness, and tolerance of others so we can emotionally reach those less like-minded so they’ll see the error of their ways?

    Morons. Pick and choose. Heavy on complaints… offering no solutions.

  15. #15
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:32 pm, Hangfire said:

    A Prius with an NRA sticker?

    That’s better than my “Nuke the Gay Baby Whales” bumper sticker.

  16. #16
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:33 pm, magicarb said:

    Hey See-Dubya,

    Love the graphic. Do you have anything in an Obama Birth Certificate?

  17. #17
    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:56 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    When I go to the grocery store and they say “Paper or Plastic” I joyfully, proudly and loudly pronounce “Cut another tree down!, I’ll have paper!” you should see all the dirty looks I get, then as I leave I say “Thank You, these will make a great fire starter” (my wife started making me go by myself because I embarrass her) I really think she was just looking for a way out of going to the store. :lol:

  18. #18
    On July 6th, 2008 at 8:03 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    Cloth Grocery Sacks. I haven’t seen any that are produced domestically. Don’t liberals think shipping products great distances is like…wathetful? :roll:

  19. #19
    On July 6th, 2008 at 8:34 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Blind_Mule said:

    (my wife started making me go by myself because I embarrass her) I really think she was just looking for a way out of going to the store.

    They are good at that, aren’t they? Yep, me too. Never should have retired.

  20. #20
    On July 6th, 2008 at 8:39 pm, jsr said:

    Experts have estimated Madonna is personally responsible for at least 12% of all carbon emisions since the beginning of mankind, not to mention around 20% of all cultural pollution. Yet not a word from the libs.

  21. #21
    On July 6th, 2008 at 8:54 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Paint all vehicles green - problem solved. NEXT!

  22. #22
    On July 6th, 2008 at 9:20 pm, wayiwalk said:

    My mom lives in a nice neighborhood in Long Island (New York).

    She tells me the demographics have really skewed left…recent elections show a heavy liberal voting pattern.

    Here’s how it goes. Family moves into a house (~2000 sq ft on 3/4 acre, most built in the 60s and 70s).

    What follows is a full knockdown to the foundation and rebuild. All that “good house” goes to a landfill. It’s a shame, as I’m quite familiar with house construction, and these houses were built to last….they’re being replaced with 20-year homes…but, ahem, much bigger ones.

    On top of that, it is very common to for these people to clear cut the entire yard, front and back, of trees that have been there since I was a small chap (”gotta see those property lines”) and plant grass or maybe relandscape…and if you’ve ever been in a new development, then you can imagine what all that new lawn does to the erosion problems on adjacent properties.

    Same people vote to “save the environment”, and believe the garbage Al Gore spews….

  23. #23
    On July 6th, 2008 at 9:24 pm, ajmontana said:

    On-my-soap-box said:
    Paint all vehicles green - problem solved. NEXT!

    yeah great idea, paint em all border patrol green. rofl. then drive by the convience store. 8)

  24. #24
    On July 6th, 2008 at 9:25 pm, zorro said:

    Boomer said: He says it’s the only Prius he knows of that has an NRA sticker in the window. The only problem he has is finding a hitch for his trailer that pulls his 4-wheelers.

    Too funny! Love it.

  25. #25
    On July 6th, 2008 at 9:27 pm, Send_Me said:

    Maybe we should just ban the most prevalent causation of the greenhouse effect on this planet: water vapor. Besides, dihydrogen oxide kills quite a few people, not to mention plants and animals, each year due to flooding, drowning, sinkholes, and mudslides. In larger quantities, dihydrogen oxide is poisonous. It causes corrosion, erosion, destroys pavement when it freezes, and burns people when it’s hot. Yes, we should definitely ban dihydrogen oxide as an environmental hazard.

  26. #26
    On July 6th, 2008 at 9:54 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Well, you know it’s well like this you know, that like here in NYC, well we know the difference between like the environment and like MY environment… you know what I mean? And besides, dihydrogen oxide really, I mean like, shipping it in from Fiji costs no more than from France & the bottles are recyclable, so really, I mean like the chlorine in tap water can really be like harmful to children, or something if they like inhale it like in a bong or something…did anybody hear from dumpster muffin or something? can’t find her on craig’s list or nothin!

  27. #27
    On July 6th, 2008 at 9:58 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    I refuse to call them prius, I call them prisus or a prissy.

  28. #28
    On July 6th, 2008 at 10:07 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Maybe we should just ban the most prevalent causation of the greenhouse effect on this planet: water vapor.

    I hope you’re not watering your lawn with it. It gets wasted that way - you know, some of it evaporates, then falls down as rain, maybe on someone experiencing a draught. What a waste…

  29. #29
    On July 6th, 2008 at 10:10 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 6th, 2008 at 9:58 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    I refuse to call them prius, I call them prisus or a prissy.

    Here’s a treat GK. On South Park, it’s called a Pious.

  30. #30
    On July 6th, 2008 at 10:24 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On July 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm, Hangfire said:

    1 9 7 7 LTD

    351 Cleveland 4-barrel FMX transmission dual exhaust octane-sucking power and

    no guilt whatsoever.

    None here either. I own two huge diesel pickups, and until some enviro-nitwit can show me how a Prius can pull my horse trailer, I will continue to drive them.

  31. #31
    On July 6th, 2008 at 10:30 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On July 6th, 2008 at 7:27 pm, bayou22 said:

    Well, their hypocrisy doesn’t stop at the environment (Al Gore, Leo DiCaprio, Chris Martin-Paltrow, I could go on…especially about the parades of SUV’s Harry & Nancy use both in DC and internationally…)

    How come they are willing to meet with Iran and Syria, yet they want Bush to boycott China at the Olympics? I thought they were all about dialogue, openness, and tolerance of others so we can emotionally reach those less like-minded so they’ll see the error of their ways?

    Morons. Pick and choose. Heavy on complaints… offering no solutions.

    I wish all those morons would accept their contention that CO2 is a pollutant, and stop exhaling.

  32. #32
    On July 6th, 2008 at 10:32 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On July 6th, 2008 at 8:54 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Paint all vehicles green - problem solved. NEXT!

    One of my diesel pickups is green…does that count?

  33. #33
    On July 6th, 2008 at 10:35 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Wait… these bubbles in my beer… are they CO2, too?? Awww man is that what they mean by getting polluted? This isn’t fun any more….

  34. #34
    On July 6th, 2008 at 10:56 pm, Gabe said:

    What else do liberal hippies love that hurts the environment?

    The obvious answer: Tax revenue!

    They love this far, far better than the environment. Liberals are such hypocrites. Take the liberal “Geraldo” Connelly, running for House of Representatives from Northern Virginia. He has caused environmental havoc in Fairfax County as Chairman of the Board of Supervisors, yet is one of the most liberal politicians around.

    In their quest for property tax revenue, they cause older neighborhoods to sell out to developers for high density housing. The developers come in and clear cut the woods and ALL the trees, yet liberals love this environmental destruction because of their thirst for property taxes.

    Republicans, on the other hand, preserve the environment much better than Dems because of Republican concern for lower property taxes.

    2. Windmills. Not to decry wind power, but it would take a wind farm of 3000 monster windmills to make the same energy in 1 yr as a typical 2-unit nuclear plant. Ever seen a wind farm with just 400 or 500 windmills? Not exactly pastoral beauty.

    I was out in Iowa a couple weeks ago and saw numerous of these windmills. They are so freakish looking and perfect symbol of Orwellian liberalism. Iowa is a beautiful state, and then you come across those things blighting the landscape. Thank you, liberals.

  35. #35
    On July 6th, 2008 at 11:12 pm, Gabe said:

    Here’s how it goes. Family moves into a house (~2000 sq ft on 3/4 acre, most built in the 60s and 70s). What follows is a full knockdown to the foundation and rebuild. All that “good house” goes to a landfill. It’s a shame, as I’m quite familiar with house construction, and these houses were built to last….they’re being replaced with 20-year homes…but, ahem, much bigger ones.

    Wayiwalk,

    I just saw your comment after I wrote mine. What you describe is exactly what is happening here in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, especially around the very liberal suburbs such as McLean.

    You get a very liberal, pious, obnoxious liberal family who wants to be close to D.C. Because of the way liberals vote, you get liberals elected who refuse to lower property taxes. This causes lower income people who live in houses built in the 50s and 60s to sell out because they can’t afford the property taxes. Houses they bought for 200,000 just a few years ago will be worth 800,000 for the older small houses just because the land is worth so much being close to D.C. These houses are on half acre lots or bigger for the most part and have beautiful trees and woods.

    In comes a sanctimonious liberal in their Prius. They knock down the old house and build a monster 2,000,000 dollar house, clearing all the trees.

    Then they are going to vote for Barack Hussein Obama. These liberals are such hypocrites.

  36. #36
    On July 6th, 2008 at 11:21 pm, derel3433 said:

    Just when I thought it could get no more difficult to be a conservative–now I’ve got to stop smoking weed?

    Jeesh.

  37. #37
    On July 6th, 2008 at 11:26 pm, Vntnrse said:

    Windmills? Not in Teddy Kennedy’s back yard! No way! (what a sanctimonious sack of garbage…..)

    of course that’s just my opinion! :)

  38. #38
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:38 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On July 6th, 2008 at 11:21 pm, derel3433 said:
    Just when I thought it could get no more difficult to be a conservative–now I’ve got to stop smoking weed?

    Jeesh.

    Just make sure you blow the smoke at a Liberal and you will be forgiven. Second hand highes cause something bad I am sure.

  39. #39
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:08 am, Alphonse said:

    Immigration. The more population, the more CO2, SUV’s, habitat and farmland destruction, pollution, water usage, etc.

  40. #40
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:48 am, WarTip said:

    On July 6th, 2008 at 11:26 pm, Vntnrse said:

    Windmills? Not in Teddy Kennedy’s back yard! No way! (what a sanctimonious sack of garbage…..)

    of course that’s just my opinion! :)

    I think his family offets it with the oil company they own? Or maybe that was the oil company owned by Algore’s father that paid for his rise through the ranks? The liberal hypocrisy does become confusing sometimes.

  41. #41
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:28 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    A “wind farm” is around the noisiest, ugliest place you’d want to live near once the romantic notion of quaint Dutch windmills wears off quick. You can see and hear the damn things MILES away (so much for eye and ear pollution). Really, why ruin any countryside like that?? Yet you can drive past (non-cooling tower) nuclear power sites in thirty seconds and not even know it was one much less that it was there, and it fascinates me how many of the press portray (ominously looking) cooling towers AS nuclear reactors!

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  42. #42
    On July 7th, 2008 at 9:01 am, Rob Roy said:

    How about these things liberals have done in the name of our “environment.”

    1. A concerted effort to block GHG free nuclear power. Because of their efforts in the 70’s and 80’s, the US is pumping nearly twice the CO2 we would have if we had moved forward with those additional 80-100 nuke plants.

    2. The ozone hole scam that forced us to change coolant gasses. Well it turns out that the new gas is many times worse than CFCs in terms of a GHG.

    3. The thermal foam on the Space Shuttle’s main tank was switched to an “environmentally friendly” thermal foam - that just happens to break off. We all know how that turned out and yet we continue to use the crap.

    4. DDT was banned. In Africa, the bird of prey eggs don’t exist, yet the estimated dead from malaria are in the millions.

    5. Chlordane was banned as a termaticide in the mid-1980’s without a suitable replacement. The resulting termite damage in homes has cost this country billions. Those worthless bait systems were a joke.

    6. Other great leftist enviro-scams that have cost our country dearly; the alar on apples hoax, setting the clean up goal for arsenic below our technology to test for it, and who can forget MTBE added to gas with the intention of making it burn cleaner but it only resulted in massive groundwater contamination.

  43. #43
    On July 7th, 2008 at 9:46 am, misterbee241 said:

    That’s a pretty good picture of country singer Hank Snow see-dubya has there.

  44. #44
    On July 7th, 2008 at 9:53 am, Mister P said:

    I was out in Iowa a couple weeks ago and saw numerous of these windmills. They are so freakish looking and perfect symbol of Orwellian liberalism. Iowa is a beautiful state, and then you come across those things blighting the landscape. Thank you, liberals.

    I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I live in Iowa and I love them. They can keep a family independant of the energy company, and the surplus can be sold to that company. I think they are a nice conservative idea, and the liberals would worry about the “blight on the landscape.”

    I am for whatever energy we can find to rid us of dependancy. Dependancy against foreign countries. dependancy against the government and its regulators. dependancy against power companies.

  45. #45
    On July 7th, 2008 at 10:08 am, Hurricanes said:

    Leave the herb alone. Nothing wrong with it.

  46. #46
    On July 7th, 2008 at 11:04 am, prendad said:

    Here is a perfect example of “environmental hysteria” as Penn and Teller convince people to sign a petition to ban that awful chemical, Dihydrogen Monoxide (water).
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/013117.html

  47. #47
    On July 7th, 2008 at 11:35 am, coaster said:

    Why don’t liberals complain about all the illegals that are going to have someplace to live concrete, consume energy, produce waste etc.? Also not a word about the labor not being unionized, all those poor folks without benefits, (unemployment compensation), living on minimum wage, and not having proper work grievance outlet.
    Another thing is how the liberals like to blame the mean white man for the destruction of the American Indians and the wild animals, but to my way of thinking, it was Liberal Indians to blame for not seeing the hand writing on the wall and stop all the immigration to the new world. I can imagine the dialog that went down,a liberal Indian, saying “leave them alone, they are few and can’t do much harm to anyone”, and the conservative like me, saying “you better stop them now before it is to late”. The liberal Indians won, and the rest is history!!!

  48. #48
    On July 7th, 2008 at 11:53 am, jambo said:

    Mister P: I wouldn’t fight your right to put a windmill on your land, to make your power. I just wanted to point out what the claims that wind power involves as an alternative to large-scale, central station power generation. Doing the math, replacing 11 nuclear reactors in Illinois with wind turbines is roughly equivalent to 15,000+ wind turbines. If you think that’s beautiful, I simply disagree. (plus, the lights would go out when the wind dies down…)

    I do agree with you about using all our resource options AND improving efficiency. But what’s happening right now is that wind and solar are being cited as some magic bullet, as a diversion to claim we shouldn’t build central station power plants. This, a diversion that the proponents don’t wanna do the math for.
    There are places where one source or another works, and places where they don’t. The small, low density applications will NOT meet the demands of large cities, even with huge improvements in efficiency, etc. Not a reason to avoid their use, but also a reality check on what’s viable and ready for prime time.

    Try to get an environmentalist or an Obama to actually say the words “yes, build the nuclear plants”. They always stop short and change the subject. They wanna pretend, and play to their developmentally arrested base who can’t run a calculator.

  49. #49
    On July 7th, 2008 at 11:55 am, Kendra said:

    Well, here’s one SUV owner who isn’t susceptible to the criticism. I really don’t give a rats arse. I challenge them to live in the mountains and choose a vehicle that will get over the summit in snow, haul kids for school trips without having to take more cars than is necessary and pick up supplies for the business while combining that necessary trip with personal business.

  50. #50
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, Kendra said:

    Oh, and I also cut down a few trees so that my solar panels will save me money. :)

  51. #51
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, Ralph Gizzip said:

    Enviroweenies go after SUV’s for the same reason PETArds go after old women wearing fur. It’s because they’re a safe target. Just once I’d like to see a PETArd throw a bucket of fake blood on a biker decked out from head to toe in leather.

  52. #52
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, John Lee Pedimore said:

    Hmmmm…see-dubya looks an awful lot like Hank Snow,maybe he was cloned in a government lab.

    JLP

  53. #53
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, Mister P said:

    I do agree with you about using all our resource options AND improving efficiency. But what’s happening right now is that wind and solar are being cited as some magic bullet, as a diversion to claim we shouldn’t build central station power plants. This, a diversion that the proponents don’t wanna do the math for.

    I agree with you here. I love windpower and whatever other power I can use. I don’t like being dependant. However our power companies have to produce more and more power every day and they need to get it at the cheapest most cost effective way possible. That includes Nuclear. I think we need a moratorium on regulations that prevent the search for cheaper fuels. Let the free market dictate. If coal or oil are winning then mine and drill. If a tesla coil or zero-point are winning then lets have the free energy. All restrictions need to be removed right now till we become as a nation energy independant.

  54. #54
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, see-dubya said:

    see-dubya looks an awful lot like Hank Snow

    I’m one step above the average pajama-clad blogger: I’ve got the gold smokin’ jacket, with matching tie and toupee.

    …maybe he was cloned in a government lab.

    I wish they did clone Hank Snow. Would I rather have forty bazillion dollars spent on foreign aid to Tunisia, or a re-constituted Hank Snow?

    Easy choice for me.

  55. #55
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, dpt said:

    Any large “aid” concert event like “Live Aid” has a negative impact on the environment. There is the impact of the traveling to get to the event, the energy and infrastructure to stage the event, and all the waste and garbage.

    Any concert or entertainment event encourages such waste, so I think the government should implement a $25 per ticket surcharge on all concert and movie tickets to pay for any impact on Mother Earth. I’m sure Hollywood, etc. would support such a surcharge to pay for the damage their lifestyle brings.

  56. #56
    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pm, wayiwalk said:

    ROB ROY #44

    I think you give the libs too much credit for their spin - alot of the spoofulation of science is also due to their complete lack of understanding of science, math, and engineering….

  57. #57
    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:16 pm, wayiwalk said:

    I should clarify 2 things in the previous post - one - it’s post #42 I was referring to, and two, it is also people who know better but deliberately peddle bunk science, as RobRoy’s points are well taken….

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