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1. #1
   On July 6th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, Lifeofthemind said:

   At this point I do not see the benefit to civil liberties in not have a secure national ID system linked to universal fingerprints and retina scans. And for the one in a hundred million with neither eyes nor hands we can cover them. Also I think that laws against covering the face that were instituted to fight the terror of the KKK should be expanded and enforced. Anyone who claims they need to cover their face for a valid medical reason, not for religious reasons, should have to get that verified by both two Physicians and a Judge. Make it difficult, lives are at stake.

   Finally I believe we need a law giving the Attorney General the ability to petition a Judge for a writ that would declare a defined geographic area, between a postal code and a county in size, to be in a state of “Civil Rebellion” if over 20% of the adult inhabitants can be shown to be fugitives from the law. That would allow authorities to isolate the area and identify all persons present to permit the safe removal of bail jumpers, wanted criminals and illegal aliens. At the same time the need to get judicial approval and limitation to the most flagrant cases should protect the average citizen from violations of their 4th amendment rights.

2. #2
   On July 6th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, John Ansell said:

   CUbs are up 2-0 over the Cards. U.N. Aid worker? I think oil for food and somebody didn’t pay their fair toll.

3. #3
   On July 6th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, brooklyn red said:

   re: “A surprising number of them, it turns out, are also crooks with criminal records in the U.S.”

   Surprising? If only it were surprising…

   I second #1 on the national ID.

4. #4
   On July 6th, 2008 at 4:40 pm, single stack said:

   lifeofthemind,
   There are plenty of places in the world you can go if you want to live in a police state. I’d rather be free, with all the dangers that come with freedom than give the government that kind of power. We’re too close to that now. What you propose is the sort of thing that lead to the murders of 100 million people by their governments in the 20th century.

5. #5
   On July 6th, 2008 at 5:17 pm, Lifeofthemind said:

   single stack,
   Not sorry here. Preventing the dissolving of the free society that protects us from howling maniacs that killed those millions is why some action is needed. If we can’t permit the police to sort the goats from the sheep when it is reasonable to check then we are simply giving the enemy a weapon. Understand I am not calling for unlimited domestic warrantless searches. My intent is to protect the 4th Amendment and construct reasonable tools. When the AG can convince a Judge that a critical percentage of persons in a given location are probably fugitives then he should be able to get in there and inspect everyone. Similarly when you get on an airplane there is a reasonable need for the government to verify your identity. Where such inspections can be justified is something to keep an eye on.

6. #6
   On July 6th, 2008 at 5:29 pm, simcoe said:

   I remember Benny Bennefield from the sixth grade. He was our schoolyard terrorist (bully). He got what he wanted from the other kids by threats of physical harm. One day he came up against Tim Masterson on the baseball diamond. Not good for Benny. The ‘school yard’ is now the world and ‘Benny’ is still running around threatening ‘the other kids’.

   I don’t understand the fear the world governments (the other kids) have of Moslems. You people need to read the Koran and understand that to Moslems there are only two kinds of people in the world––Moslems and those with whom Islam is at war!

   MM has called it the ‘religion of perpetual rage’ and that is so very right. It is a religion of hate, sanctioned murder (even of family members, witness the daily news) and if they can’t find anyone close by they will feed their piranha-like lust for killing on each other and make up an excuse.

   Hooray for the English judge who said that it doesn’t matter what your religious law was back home, when you move to England you are under British law and that’s that. If only our judges had those stones.

7. #7
   On July 6th, 2008 at 6:47 pm, swmbo said:

   it doesn’t matter what your religious law was back home, when you move to England you are under British law and that’s that. If only our judges had those stones.

   Oh be still my wildly beating heart. Would that that said when you move to America you are under American Law. We had better be remembering what our laws are and start enforcing them or we will be in deep deep stuff.

   I snort out loud everytime a politician uses the phrase “a nation of laws”, oh yeah!! The bad guys don’t believe that any more than I do anymore.

8. #8
   On July 6th, 2008 at 7:40 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

   I’m thinking we have a win-win solution on our hands. “Islamist gunmen want to make sure that Somalia remains poor and backward” and we want the U.S. to be free and prosperous.

   Let’s crate up D’ohbama and ship him to Somalia. His economic policies will keep Somalia poor and backward.

   In the meantime, Pres. McCain can export to Somalia all the pork he’ll trim from the federal budget.

   WIN-WIN!

9. #9
   On July 6th, 2008 at 7:46 pm, Sergeant Tim said:

   From the WaPo report via MSNBC:

   As they analyzed the results, they were surprised to learn that one out of every 100 detainees was already in the FBI’s database for arrests. Many arrests were for drunken driving, passing bad checks and traffic violations, FBI officials said.

   Meaning, they were here when those crimes were committed.

   Hmmm? Makes me wonder when they were here. Was it after 9/11 and adding an entry/exit system, improvements we have made to our border security …?

   Okay, I’ ll stop the sarcasm for now.

10. #10
    On July 6th, 2008 at 8:36 pm, swmbo said:

    Ah shucks Sergeant Tim, keep up the good work. Sarcasm is secret code for conservatives, keeps the liberals from guessing what we are talking about now.

11. #11
    On July 6th, 2008 at 9:36 pm, single stack said:

    lifeofthemind,
    What you propose is the dissolution of a free society. You can’t have a free state and a police state in the same place at the same time, which is what you’re advocating. It wasn’t howling maniacs that killed those millions, it was government agents.
    Your analogy with aircraft isn’t valid. You’re talking about locking down our communities and homes for inspection by govenment agents. That’s nothing less than totalitarianism. If you think such power wouldn’t be usurped and abused you’re naive beyond belief. Look to history and you can foretell the consequences.
    If you want to protect a free society you need freedom, not government control. If you don’t have the guts to stand up and defend your birthright as an American there are plenty of us willing to shoulder the burden for you.

12. #12
    On July 6th, 2008 at 9:47 pm, Lifeofthemind said:

    single stack
    There are places in this country that are effectivelly passing out of our jurisdiction. I am talking of defined geographic locations of from 200 to 20,000 people probably. Over one in five adults in these places is either an illegal alien, a fugitive with a warrant or a parole violator. The normal existing judicial and political mechanisms are not functioning in these cases. The real threat can exploit this weakness to infiltrate. We need to clean these places out. If you are so afraid of the black helicopter squad coming for you then go off into the woods. As long as you don’t infringe on anyone else’s liberty I have no problem with you and I will be willing to stand up for you. But don’t let your concern about stupid and abusive government agents, a concern I share, stop us from crafting reasonable defenses against real threats.

13. #13
    On July 6th, 2008 at 10:33 pm, BrianNY said:

    Gunmen have killed the head of the UN Development Programme in Somalia, UN officials say.

    I pray for Mr. Osman Ali Ahmed’s soul, and eternal judgment for all who struck him down.

    That said, I can’t imagine that UN leadership will be dishing out their usual “we must understand the root causes of this situation” crap that they like to thumb into others’ eyes during these painful moments.

14. #14
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:27 am, single stack said:

    lifeofthemind,
    What you propose isn’t reasonable. It’s totalitarianism and the destruction of our republic.
    We have the means of regaining control of the areas you talk about in our existing laws. What we lack is the political will to do it.
    We won’t stay free if we institute the storm trooper mentality you seem to possess.
    Your “black helicopter squad” line is a red herring that I don’t fear. Don’t patronize me with your willingness to stand up for me. I do my own fighting.
    Throughout history there has never been a shortage of those who would snuff the flame of liberty for imagined security. You have placed yourself firmly in that camp. You’re among those I would stand against in defense of the republic.

    But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.
    John Adams

    They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    Benjamin Franklin

    Where liberty dwells, there is my country.
    Benjamin Franklin

    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.
    Thomas Jefferson

15. #15
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:15 am, RedDog said:

    Read Lawrence Wright’s The Looming Tower if you have not already. It is an outstanding history of Osama bin Laden, Al Qaida and extreme Islam. Takfir is the Wahabbist philosophy of essentially having someone or some group of people condemned as apostate. This gives these self-righteous bastards the “religious” cover they want before murdering someone. Trust me, Islam is not a unified religion. It is a confused melange of philosophies, often at odds with itself, and grounded in endless self-loathing and hatred for the West.

16. #16
    On July 7th, 2008 at 10:01 am, md1964 said:

    Somehow, Somewhere…. the Liberal non-bathing, communist camps under the direction of the Obama campaign, are gonna find a way to make this all America’s Fault.