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1. #369160
   On July 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm, John Ansell said:

   Isn’t NASCAR where they go really fast and then turn left…Go fast some more then turn left…….go fast some more and turn left?

2. #369161
   On July 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

   By any means necessary

   That’s their motto. Nothing changes in the liberals’ quest for power.

3. #369165
   On July 7th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, DanVanSmak said:

   Wow…Saint Barry (PBUDB: people be under da bus) at a NeckCar event. This is going to be fresh! If some typical white person doesn’t shoot him, they might throw a Bible at him.

   Memo to Barry: you might want to stuff some arugula into your grill before you hit the circle track; they don’t sell it there. That stuff the good ole boys (and girls) are drinking is called “beer.” Those things on the infield are called “RVs”, and no, nobody cares about the carbon footprint of racin’ or drivin’ to see it.

   *out*

4. #369166
   On July 7th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

   Ooops…for some reason, my comment for the Acorn post went in here.

   Please disregard, because it doesn’t make sense.

5. #369168
   On July 7th, 2008 at 12:15 pm, englishqueen01 said:

   I thought cars were bad for the environment, and that we can’t use them to even drive to work. Surely NASCAR is an egregious abuse to the environment and must be stopped immediately! /sarcasm

6. #369174
   On July 7th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

   This is about the nicest thing that David Broder could write about Jesse Helms. He didn’t mention that Helms was a segregationist, which he never renounced, or that Helms boycotted the speech that Nelson Mandela gave before a joint session of Congress in 1990. Or a string of other shameful incidents too numerous to name.

7. #369178
   On July 7th, 2008 at 12:22 pm, Barry F. said:

   Commenter joeswampy quips at HA: “He just wants to wave the WHITE flag.”

   And, here I was thinking, as the first bi-racial candidate, that he was going for the checkered flag.

8. #369180
   On July 7th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, mymanpotsandpans said:

   Helms boycotted the speech that Nelson Mandela gave before a joint session of Congress in 1990

   Maybe he didn’t believe the hype. A misguided stand, perhaps, but not unprincipled.

9. #369185
   On July 7th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, babbledabble said:

   Hey, English Queen, a bit OT but didn’t you hear that fireworks are bad for the environment too? They cause acid rain or …….. something. Watch out or next year they will be banned too!!!

10. #369188
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:25 pm, zorro said:

    The political left in our country are a disgusting bunch.

11. #369200
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:29 pm, katieanne said:

    The MSM is really out there looking out for the people aren’t they…. Truth, justice and the American way is an alien concept to them. Their motto is the end justifies the means, no matter how the truth gets run over.

12. #369203
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:30 pm, tre said:

    Dale Earnhardt Sr. Forever!

    I might stop watching NASCAR when Al Bore and/or Barack HUSSEIN Obama and/or Juan McAmnesty start making them race hybrids.

13. #369205
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:31 pm, Storm Chaser said:

    My understanding is that Blacks can’t be racists because they are an oppressed minority.

    Spike Lee and P.Diddy are incapable of racism. They spend most of their time looking for their next meals and hiding from white mobs.

    We must elect the chosen one to atone for our sins.

14. #369214
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:36 pm, sambo said:

    Will B.HO be surprised when they sing the correct National Anthem at a NASCAR event?

15. #369215
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, beenthere said:

    Helms was unquestionably a mixed bag, as right as often as he was wrong, which when you think about it were pretty good odds compared to today’s pack of senate clowns. If he had been a democrat, he would have been a hero, blah blah, and all the trolls would be crying into their beards, as they will when Byrd finally leaves for his reward. But Helms wasn’t a democrat, so there was nothing good to be said about him by the anointed of the MSM.

16. #369222
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, fourstringfuror said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm, John Ansell said:
    Isn’t NASCAR where they go really fast and then turn left…Go fast some more then turn left…….go fast some more and turn left?

    Yes. It also happens to be the second most popular sport in the country. Circle/oval track auto racing is as old as the automobile, and a uniquely American tradition.

    Regardless, there are a multitude of sports car and open-wheel series across the country and across the world that race on ovals, streets circuits, road courses, hill climbs, off-road, and deserts: SCCA, USAC, USAR, WoO, ARCA, Rolex, NASCAR, Indycar, FIA, CORR, etc. It takes all kinds. NASCAR’s iteration of stock car racing is just one.

    If Obama’s research people are worth anything, his favorite Sprint Cup driver would be Clint Bowyer.

17. #369228
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:30 pm, tre said:
    Dale Earnhardt Sr. Forever!

    Dale’s two hero’s were his dad and his pastor.

18. #369230
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, lgm said:

    Jesse Helms got elected by being a racist. No amount of holding your breath till you turn blue will change that. Look it up.

19. #369234
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, bloghooligan said:

    this is an old canard: whites started switching parties in response to the Civil Rights Act. this is only uttered by people completely ignorant in American history. whites started switching parties from dem to republican after the Civil Rights Act was passed. Actually it was the 1968 DNC Convention that was the tipping point. More dems started switching in the early 70s in response to degradation of urban areas due to Great Society policies.

20. #369237
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, Rusty said:

    If Helms had been a Democrat? He was. He wasn’t welcome in our party anymore. Democrats don’t automatically vote No on gay presidential appointees. Democrats didn’t appeal to racists for electoral power in the Southern strategy. The one bad Democrat that didn’t switch to the racist right was Robert Byrd. And Robert Byrd renounced his ugly, ugly past.

    There was no such renunciation from Senator Helms.

    Being against affirmative action does not make you a racist. But there are about a thousand other things in Helms’s past that qualify him as an unrepentant bigot.

    Any honest assessment of Senator Helms starts there. If you want to praise him for his work on missile defense or on being a fiscal conservative, fine. But Helms was still an awful human being and there is no room for interpretation on that matter.

    EQ, I’ve been to two NASCAR races(see, I’m not an elitist!) and they are a blast. They are also HORRIBLE for the environment to the point of parody. These cars are all horsepower and get a whopping 4 mpg. And I believe they use leaded fuel. NASCAR should self-regulate and at find some environmental fixes. It’s not like they’ve been shy about limiting horsepower before (restrictor plates).

21. #369240
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Oh, crap. It’s back.

    SEEN THIS ENDORSEMENT FOR OBAMA?

    P.S. your side has a KKK leader in it so, STHU.

22. #369247
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    WOW, Independence Day is over and so are the posts to wish Michelle and see-dubya and others Happy Independence day or talk about why they love their country and the trolls are back in full force.

23. #369248
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, txvet2 said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, lgm said:

    Jesse Helms got elected by being a racist. No amount of holding your breath till you turn blue will change that. Look it up.

    You have him confused with that other notorious Republican, Robert Byrd.

24. #369250
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, gayle said:

    lgm,

    That is about the dumbest comment on the board today.

    He was not racist. He had minorities on his staff for crying out loud.

    He believe people should EARN what they get and not have it given to them.

    The mere fact that he was probably the MOST HONEST member of Congress in this generation is WHY he was elected.

    HE could be trusted.

    Cannot say that about the spewing leftist, now can we?

25. #369251
    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, sambo said:

    On-my-soap-box said:
    Oh, crap. It’s back.

    Saw it this morning after I saw the article on the singing of the ‘Black National Anthem’ out in Colorado.

26. #369262
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:02 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, lgm said:

    Jesse Helms got elected by being a racist. No amount of holding your breath till you turn blue will change that. Look it up.

    Well, there’s lgm. It would appear that it is swoop ‘n’ poop time.

27. #369263
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, fourstringfuror said:

    EQ, I’ve been to two NASCAR races(see, I’m not an elitist!) and they are a blast. They are also HORRIBLE for the environment to the point of parody. These cars are all horsepower and get a whopping 4 mpg. And I believe they use leaded fuel. NASCAR should self-regulate and at find some environmental fixes. It’s not like they’ve been shy about limiting horsepower before (restrictor plates).

    NASCAR switched its top three series to unleaded fuel this year. There were plenty of good reasons for using leaded fuel in the past, but it seems they’ve found a good workaround now.

    The real parody is asking a motorsport sanctioning body to “self-regulate,” to the detriment of the sport. Environmental myths aside, NASCAR offers a product that consumers want. Why should they alter the product to appease non-consumers?

28. #369265
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    WOW, Independence Day is over and so are the posts to wish Michelle and see-dubya and others Happy Independence day or talk about why they love their country and the trolls are back in full force.

    They go into hiding on patriotic holidays, Soap. Once the holiday passes, they rear their ugly heads again.

29. #369266
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, Rusty said:

    P.S. your side has a KKK leader in it so, STHU.

    This is the most simple minded retort in the history of Soap’s rantings. Ezra Klein took a great shot at it earlier this morning.

    The Democratic Party drove Helms and his fellow segregationists out, and they never came back. The Party sought absolution through actual change, which is the only way to achieve it.

    In the case of Byrd, Byrd changed.

    He was not racist. He had minorities on his staff for crying out loud.

    And Strom Thurmond had a black daughter. Who cares. Their votes were dedicated to hurting minorities and their statements were unquestionably racist and homophobic.

    White people, wake up before it is too late. Do you want Negroes working beside you, your wife and your daughters, in your mills and factories?

30. #369267
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    He believe people should EARN what they get and not have it given to them.

    Which makes him racist. Don’t underestimate the soft bigotry of low expectations, gayle.

31. #369270
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, Rusty said:

    Environmental myths aside, NASCAR offers a product that consumers want. Why should they alter the product to appease non-consumers?

    Because the environmental damage caused by NASCAR effects me, a fan, and my friends and family who all despise the sport.

    I haven’t been to a race in a while. Could you tell me how enviromentally friendly the tracks are? If the emissions from the cars aren’t going to be regulated, do the tracks make it easier to recycle? Do they offer biodegradable goods? There are plenty of ways to help the environment without taking the horsepower down a notch.

32. #369274
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    SEEN THIS ENDORSEMENT FOR OBAMA?

    ROFLMAO

    I wonder when Obama will get around to adding that endorsement to his site?

33. #369276
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:14 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, Rusty said:
    This is the most simple minded retort in the history of Soap’s rantings.

    Coming from you only means I got it right.

34. #369289
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Do they offer biodegradable goods?

    It’s called beer. You drink it, then you recycle it.

35. #369290
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    The Democratic Party drove Helms and his fellow segregationists out, and they never came back.

    Bull-f*ckig-sh!t. Liar, liar. Helms left the Democrat Party on his own because of the radicalization of the party that started in 1968 and the party’s changing position on Vietnam.

    As for the rest of the slander, I’ll give everyone the option of clicking here or reading on. It’s a little lengthy, but rich in truth.

    Fiction: Senator Helms’ 1990 campaign TV ad known as “Hands” was an appeal to racism and was used frequently throughout the campaign.

    Truth: The ad was created and ran just a few weeks before the close of the campaign. It ran just a few times and was specifically related to an attempted veto override of a bill that would have required employers to hire on the base of pre-set quotas and not specific qualifications.

    1. The Senate failed, by one vote, to override President Bush’s veto of legislation to require employers to hire and promote a percentage of their employees because of their minority status.

    2. The override was defeated because it was a correctly identified as a “quota” bill by numerous individuals and groups including the United States Chamber of Commerce

    3. There was also every reason to believe that such bills are not constitutional. Subsequent court decisions on similar laws have confirmed that to be the case.

    4. Senator Helms opposed the bill the first time the Senate considered it and was not in favor of the veto override.

    5. In a speech Mr. Gantt gave shortly after that vote, he stated that he strongly supported the legislation and had he been in the Senate, it would have become law.

    6.To help voters understand the practical reality of the law Mr. Gantt favored, the Helms campaign staff created an ad explaining how it would work: People who were fully qualified for jobs could be passed over so that jobs could be filled by an individual who satisfied other criteria having nothing to do with the requirements of the job.

    The point was that Mr. Gantt was comfortable with government policies requiring employers to hire and promote for the purpose of filling quotas instead of recognizing individual abilities. And, that Mr. Gantt was not bothered by the law’s unfairness to those who had been passed over or the constitutional questions it raised about equality under the law.

    7. By the time the ad made it to television, there were less than two weeks left to the campaign. There were accusations that this was a planned last-minute attack, but of course that simply was not true since the vote and Mr. Gantt’s comments had happened just a few days earlier.

    8. The ad could not in any case be declared “racist” by anyone who knew the issue since minority classifications were not limited to race.

    9. The Helms campaign had no more interest in a race-based vote than it did in race-based jobs. The campaign was never about Mr. Gantt being black, it was always and only about him being a liberal. We wanted our support to be based on the job I had been doing and nothing more.

    10. The ad was intended to point out this difference: Senator Helms believes every person is entitled to go as far as he or she can by making the most of every talent and every opportunity and know the satisfaction of personal success. Mr. Gantt has less confidence in the ability of individual citizens to handle challenges without excess government involvement.

    Response to an interview question from Jim Morrill on the Charlotte Observer on August 29, 2005:

    Q. Some people have a hard time believing your assertion that race was not at the heart of your opposition to the civil rights movement, a Martin Luther King holiday and ads in your race against Harvey Gantt. What would you say to them?

    The truth is the truth whether people choose to accept it or not. Let me be very clear. From my earliest days I was taught to respect all people. It is just that simple. I didn’t need to shift my position because it was always on the side my parents expected me to take and modeled by their example. I never took the time to argue with the nonsense claims that I was a racist because I knew the truth and more importantly every African-American with whom I had ever enjoyed a friendship or who worked with me in any capacity knew the truth, too.

    I opposed the Martin Luther King Holiday because I thought it was a “politically correct” rush to confer an honor that the Federal government had waited more than eighty years to confer on George Washington. There were too many questions about information in sealed files for me in good conscience to agree to the holiday. I would have enthusiastically supported a holiday that honored the progress of African-Americans and their many contributions to our nation.

    The well-known “hands” ad to which you probably refer had nothing to do with race and everything to do with a quota bill that I opposed and Mr. Gantt said he would support if he was elected. That bill was just plain wrong and the U.S. Supreme Court has agreed that quotas like those proposed in the bill are unconstitutional. This particular bill was not only unfair to job applicants, it was also unfair to employers who would have been forced to somehow prove that they had no intention of hiring anyone but the best qualified applicant. (back to top)

    Fiction: Jesse Helms did not accomplish much as a Senator because he was often alone or on the minority side of an issue.

    Truth: Senator Helms’ record demonstrates the effectiveness of his deliberate and principled leadership. He
    didn’t seek popularity and he did not seek credit, his goal was to do what he believed was in America’s best interests.

    For example:

    1. When he came to Washington in 1973, Senator Helms was a member of the minority party and a part of a small conservative minority within the party. By 1994, when he became chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Republicans were in the majority and conservatives were the majority of the Republican caucus and he played a major role in making this happen.

    2. As Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Helms worked with the Clinton Administration to restructure the State Department, resulting in the Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998. This act brought the U.S. Arms Control, Information and Foreign Aid agencies under the direction of the Secretary of State, saving the taxpayers millions of dollars, while promoting a more cohesive American foreign policy.

    3. Senator Helms partnered with Senator William Frist to introduce the first major legislation to provide US funding for the fight against the HIV/AIDS pandemic. The legislation provided more than $500 million in aid and encouraged US pharmaceutical companies to provide medicines to HIV/AIDS patients throughout Africa. Senator Helms leadership role made it acceptable for conservatives to address the HIV/AIDS pandemic and laid the groundwork for the Bush Administration’s efforts that have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

    4. Senator Helms willingness to take a stand on controversial social issues set a standard for conservatives, leading to important pro-life and pro-family victories, the banning of taxpayer funding for obscene art and other important achievements.

    5. He fought the International Criminal Court, and his legislation, the American Service Members Protection Act — which bars any U.S. cooperation with the court — became law with overwhelming bipartisan support.

    6. Senator Helms led the effort in the Senate to bring former Cold War adversaries Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic into the NATO alliance.

    7. He fought the “U.N. empowerment” agenda of former secretary general Boutros Boutros Ghali, and the U.N. reform legislation which he insisted upon, known as the “Helms-Biden Law,” passed the House and Senate by overwhelming majorities. As a result, he became the first legislator in history to address the U.N. Security Council.

    8. Senator Helms played a major role in winning the Cold War. His support for freedom fighters in Eastern Europe and around the world is legendary. Next to Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul, no one did more to bring the Soviet Empire to its knees. (back to top)

    Fiction: Senator Helms statement, “Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He’d better have a bodyguard.”

    Truth: A Clinton reference that was run without the joke that preceded it.
    Excerpt from an interview with Law and Order

    When Senator Jesse Helms talked with a reporter from the Raleigh News and Observer and mentioned Bill Clinton’s unpopularity on military bases in the state, he illustrated his point with an anecdote about a Southern sheriff who had just been defeated in an election. ‘He had this big fella with him, about 6 foot 7and 270 pounds,” said Helms. ‘Somebody asked, ‘Who’s that?’ The sheriff answered. Any body who can’t get more votes than I did better have a bodyguard.’ “Helms then added: ‘Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He better have a bodyguard.” The News and Observer ran just the Clinton reference without the entire joke that preceded it, and the Associated Press picked up the story. Soon the media were reporting that the Secret Service was investigating Helms’ comments, and the editorial page of the New York Times called for Helms to step aside as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. (back to top)

    Fiction: Senator Helms is racist and has opposed the progress of African Americans.

    Truth: From his childhood Senator Helms was taught to respect all people and to understand that all Americans had as their birthright life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    In his earliest correspondence, Jesse Helms rejected the doctrine of white supremacy and as manager of WRAL-TV he hired both minorities and women in responsible positions, even proposing to set up a department at WRAL for the sole purpose of training minority candidates for significant career opportunities. As a US Senator he was known and appreciated by the Capitol workforce for his genuine friendship and interest in them. Individuals like James Meredith and Claude Allen have recounted their staff experiences with Senator Helms many times. In fact, Senator Helms was responsible for the hiring of Claude Allen in 1985 as the first African-American to serve on the Republican or Democratic professional staff of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

    The archives of WRAL editorials from the 1960’s include Jesse Helms’ high praise for African-Americans such as Rev. Leon Sullivan, Asa Spaulding and others whose leadership demonstrated that dreams matched by diligence could offer any American a better future. These editorials make plain the Senator’s respect for those who wanted to better their lives through their own labors and his frustration over those who preferred the free ride of government handouts. That frustration had nothing to do with color and everything to do with a failure to appreciate all that America had to offer anyone who was willing to pursue their goal. An editorial praising the way in which a young architecture student by the name of Harvey Gantt integrated Clemson University illustrates Jesse Helms’ support of progress that was genuine and sustainable.

    In his memoir, Here’s Where I Stand, Senator Helms Says:

    “It has always been my belief that people of goodwill on all sides of an issue can resolve their differences without the intervention of the government. We will never know how integration might have been achieved in neighborhoods across our land, because the opportunity was snatched away by outside agitators who had their own agendas to advance. We certainly do know the price paid by the stirring of hatred, the encouragement of violence, the rise of suspicion and distrust. We do know that too many lives were lost, that businesses were destroyed, and millions of dollars were diverted from books and teachers to support the cost of buses and gasoline. We do know that turning our public schools into social laboratories almost destroyed them.”

    Upon the Senator’s retirement Walter Russell Mead wrote in the Wall Street Journal’s Opinion Journal:

    “… If Mr. Helms can be seen as one of the great conservative figures of American history, calling the nation to remain faithful to traditional values in the midst of rapid social change, he also deserves to be remembered as one of a handful of men who brought white Southern conservatives into a new era of race relations.

    This was not my initial impression of Mr. Helms, when as a young boy in North Carolina during the civil rights movement I listened to his anti-integration, anti-Martin Luther King commentaries on WRAL-TV. But once the civil-rights legislation of the 1960s was enacted, Mr. Helms–along with some of his erstwhile segregationist colleagues like South Carolina Sen. Strom Thurmond–did something very revolutionary for Southern white populists.

    He accepted the laws and obeyed them.

    This is not how Southern politicians responded in the 1870s and 1880s. Populists like South Carolina’s “Pitchfork” Ben Tillman did not just fulminate against civil rights laws. They led movements of armed, organized resistance, intimidating black voters at the polls, defending racial lynchings and, in Tillman’s case, being directly and openly involved in the murder of black political leaders.

    Even as the passions of the civil-rights movement were at their height, Messrs. Helms and Thurmond (whose father was Ben Tillman’s lawyer) shunned violence. Without ever losing their credentials as hard-core defenders of Southern values, they hired African-American staffers and gave African-Americans the same level of constituency service they gave whites. Even their opposition to affirmative action is based on their claim that these principles violate what ought to be a color-blind stance on the part of the government.

    That is something no white Southern politician, and especially one representing Mr. Helms’ core supporters of farmers and small-town whites, would have ever said before Jesse Helms came along. It is something they all say now.

    Mr. Helms could have followed the Tillman path and led the white South into violent resistance; he also could have failed to carry his supporters with him into grudging acceptance of the new racial order. He disciplined and tamed the segregationist South even as he represented it to a hostile nation. We are all better off because he managed this difficult high- wire act.” (back to top)

    Fiction: Jesse Helms was a part of a ‘vast rightwing conspiracy’ to harm President

    Clinton.

    Truth: There never was a conspiracy. History has shown that President Clinton created his own problems.

    In his memoir, Here’s Where I Stand, Senator Helms says:

    “And it made me laugh (before it made me mad) to hear that three old friends from North Carolina (Lauch Faircloth, David Sentelle, and I) having lunch together, catching up on the news, telling stories, and swapping medical advice were assumed to be plotting the ouster of the President of the United States. As the saying goes these days, “Please!”

    There is, of course, no proof that there was a plot or conspiracy because, of course, there was not one. Unfortunately, because I couldn’t imagine that anyone would ever care, I didn’t think to jot down notes on our unremarkable lunch conversation – or even the punch lines to Lauch’s usual collection of good jokes. All people have to do is choose whether to trust in the word of one highly respected federal judge and two United States Senators, or the opinion of theorists like James Carville and company.

    Whenever I hear this baseless conspiracy charge or see it written about as if it were fact, I remember an old proverb: ‘The wicked flee when no man pursueth.’ “ (back to top)

    Fiction: Senator Helms refused to change his opinions even when presented with

    the facts.

    Truth: To the contrary he insisted on having the facts before he offered an opinion and when new facts came to

    light he reviewed them and made changes when appropriate. The most well known change was on his

    position on expanded funding to stop the devastation caused by AIDS in Africa. He credits Franklin

    Graham of Samaritan’s Purse and the singer and activist Bono for presenting those facts to him.

    In his memoir, Here’s Where I Stand, Senator Helms says:

    “It had been my feeling that AIDS was a disease largely spread by reckless and voluntary sexual and drug-abusing behavior, and that it would probably be confined to those in high risk populations. I was wrong.”

    (back to top)

    Fiction: Jesse Helms opposed black nominees for federal posts.

    Truth: Senator Helms opposed liberal nominees. Among the many African-Americans whose nominations he

    supported were Claude Allen, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice. These people

    had in common, not their race which was irrelevant to Senator Helms, their proven fitness for the

    assignments for which they were nominated and their commitment to the conservative principles set

    forth in the Constitution.

    In his memoir, Here’s Where I Stand, Senator Helms says:

    “The Clinton Administration might also be known in history for its unapologetic nominations of some of the most unsuitable people in America to make and carry out government policies. Actions really do speak louder than words.” (back to top)

    Fiction: Jesse Helms was on the staff of the 1950 Willis Smith campaign for Senate

    and the staff was responsible for inflammatory campaign flyers.

    Truth: Jesse Helms was a newsman on WRAL radio and was never employed by the Smith campaign or a

    part of its operations. Neither Jesse Helms nor the Smith for Senate campaign ever had a part in

    producing the inflammatory materials that were circulated during that time. Unregulated and

    unmonitored small groups and individuals who were strongly opposed to Senator Graham did produce

    such materials. Willis Smith made it abundantly clear to his own staff that he would leave the campaign

    if any of them were ever to be involved in that sort of campaign.

    Sources – Hoover Adams, member of the Smith for Senate staff and political historian Dr. Jonathan Gentry*.

    *Source: The North Carolina Historical Review, Vol. LXXXII, Published January 2005 All That’s Not Fit to Print: Anti-Communist and White Supremacist Campaign Literature in the 1952 North Carolina Democratic Senate Primary by Jonathan Gentry

36. #369292
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, Mister P said:

    Isn’t NASCAR where they go really fast and then turn left…Go fast some more then turn left…….go fast some more and turn left?

    Isn’t time for NASCAR to make right turns?

    BTW: Isn’t Obama for taxing the winning driver and redistributing it to all the losing drivers?

37. #369295
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, lgm said:

    gayle said (#24):

    That is about the dumbest comment on the board today.

    He was not racist. He had minorities on his staff for crying out loud.

    You should follow the link. You might learn something.

38. #369305
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, lgm said:

    gayle said (#24):

    That is about the dumbest comment on the board today.

    He was not racist. He had minorities on his staff for crying out loud.

    You should follow the link. You might learn something.

    Those are some interesting like-minded friends you have on that site, lgm.

39. #369307
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    Hey Rusty 2 words—-Lester Maddox
    Look it up.
    Here is the Wiki page on him and even there they try to blame Republican votes as the reason he kept getting elected.

40. #369313
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, shooter said:

    95%.

    95%

    95% of blacks are voting for B. Hussein.
    MLK IS rolling over in his grave, this is NOT what he had in mind.

    I can not fully express my disappointment in Obama and what this is doing to the ‘races’ in America.

41. #369316
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    It’s a better world with Helms dead. If they just tossed his body in the town dump maggots and rats would leave it alone out of professional courtesy.

    lgm:
    The only thing I learned from that link is that the site is a magnet for classless f@ckwits (if the shoe fits…) who posted the above garbage.

42. #369318
    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, lgm said:
    You should follow the link. You might learn something.

    That’s rich. The idiot who thinks the Swift Boat Vet’s lied thinks he has something to teach US?

    Hey lgm, I see you didn’t post what you love about “our” country this weekend. Friggin idiot!

43. #369324
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, Karmi said:

    It’s impossible for African-Americans to be racists…or so I have been told. Just ask Rev. Wright..

44. #369331
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:08 pm, sonofdy said:

    LGM, so you must really oppose Obama for his 22 years in a black liberation theology church right? Right?

45. #369333
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    lgm:
    The only thing I learned from that link is that the site is a magnet for classless f@ckwits (if the shoe fits…) who posted the above garbage.

    Did you see the comment from lgm’s site that I linked in #38, DHD?

    That pretty much shows how much credibility his source has.

46. #369337
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:13 pm, fourstringfuror said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, Rusty said:
    Environmental myths aside, NASCAR offers a product that consumers want. Why should they alter the product to appease non-consumers?
    Because the environmental damage caused by NASCAR effects me, a fan, and my friends and family who all despise the sport.

    I haven’t been to a race in a while. Could you tell me how enviromentally friendly the tracks are? If the emissions from the cars aren’t going to be regulated, do the tracks make it easier to recycle? Do they offer biodegradable goods? There are plenty of ways to help the environment without taking the horsepower down a notch.

    Again, your questions are predicated on the acceptance of the myth that NASCAR is destroying the environment by simply existing. I don’t believe any of it, so it’s hard to answer your questions. The last thing I think about at a race is where the recycling bin is, or whether my cup is biodegradable. That sort of micromanaging is left to the individual facility operators.

47. #369341
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    Barry F:

    Yes, thanks. Saw that lgm’s source has authored a scholarly tome with “How the Republicans Screw Up Foreign Policy” in it’s subtitle. So credible.

48. #369345
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    DHD,

    A drink alert would have been much appreciated on that one. ROFL.

49. #369346
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, latinconservative said:

    Thank God no one believes the dribble lgm spews..He is seriously disconnected and he looks like he needs a shower..

50. #369347
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, Rusty said:

    There are plenty of ways to help the environment without taking the horsepower down a notch.

    If I drink my beer from an aluminum can that can be recycled later, instead of a bottle, is that okay?

51. #369352
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    Barry F:

    Yes, thanks. Saw that lgm’s source has authored a scholarly tome with “How the Republicans Screw Up Foreign Policy” in it’s subtitle. So credible.

    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
    DHD,

    A drink alert would have been much appreciated on that one. ROFL.

    Ack! I agree with Soap. A little advanced warning might have been helpful there. ROFLMAO

52. #369362
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    If I drink my beer from an aluminum can that can be recycled later, instead of a bottle, is that okay?

    No, too much electricity making aluminum. Please bring a bamboo cup, your beer will be dipped from an adobe vat made by a Berkeley engineering class. Dumpster Muffins will be available for purchase.

53. #369365
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    Oops, I apologize for lgm’s shock value.

    I’m still waiting for lgm to identify the units he claims that Bush redeployed from Afghanistan to Iraq…and waiting…and waiting…and waiting…and waiting…and waiting…and waiting…

54. #369376
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, Ahenobarbus said:

    Spike Lee, P. Diddy, and Jeremiah Wright I can say with some certainty that their legislative accomplishments are lacking in comparison to Senator helms.

55. #369385
    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    It’s time for me to give up the malted beverage, if I have to drink from anything to do with Berzerkeley and I would have to be drunk to have anything to do with that unbathed Dumpster Muffin (a.k.a. Amanda Tierney). *blech*

    Talking about making a guy get back on the proverbial wagon.

56. #369391
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, lgm said:

    Jesse Helms came on the television and said that all of the students sitting on the quad at Duke should ask their parents if it would be all right for their son or daughter to “marry a Negro” (Duke students were practically all white in those days). Unless the student’s parents approved of that prospect, Helms advised, he or she should go back to class. We all took the words as vindication for our cause.

57. #369400
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    99.9% OF PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG THINK LGM IS AN IDIOT.

    We all took the words as vindication for our cause.

58. #369406
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, graysonret said:

    This could be in our future too. 3 year olds reported to the government as racists. It shows how liberalism unchecked can run amok:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/education/2261307/Toddlers-who-dislike-spicy-food-racist,-say-report.html

59. #369408
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, Rusty said:

    Using a nasty comment from Matt Yglesias’s blog to discredit him is about as fair as me calling Michelle Malkin a racist because she didn’t ban “bit_boy” for calling Spike Lee the dreaded n-word.

    Actually, that’s not a fair comparison since what was allowed to remain on this site was twice as bad as someone celebrating Jesse Helms’s death.

    Yes, thanks. Saw that lgm’s source has authored a scholarly tome with “How the Republicans Screw Up Foreign Policy” in it’s subtitle. So credible.

    Um. Did you read the entire subtitle? “How the Republicans Screw Up Foreign Policy and Foreign Policy Screws Up the Democrats.”

    As for Lester Maddox, yeah, he was awful. He also was out of politics since the 1970s and people didn’t refer to him as an ideological forefather upon his passing. It’s not a legitimate comparison.

60. #369424
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, gayle said:

    lgm,

    DID you know Mr. Helms?????

    I DID.

    Idiot, that you are.

61. #369435
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, lgm said:

    Here, lgm. You need to do some more reading yourself, while taking a break from corrupting young college students’ minds.

    I’m sure you try to teach all of your students to get all of the information, so they don’t go off half-cocked and say stupid things, right? Lead by example, professor.

62. #369436
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, lgm said:

    Something incredibly weak.

    That’s about what I’d expect a Democrat to say in 1968. Since making that remark (assuming it’s true), Jesse repented his sins and was accepted into the Republican Party where, as Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he hired it’s first black staffer.

    Sorry, lgm. Sen. Helms has been redeemed and now rests with the angels.

    Now how about you identifying those units you alleged Pres. Bush redeployed from Afghanistan to Iraq. Ask David Ygregious if you must.

63. #369440
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:45 pm, Rusty said:

    Are people linking to the Jesse Helms Center and saying that’s a more objective source than journalists? That’s really happening!?

    El oh el!

64. #369450
    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, Patriot 1st said:

    Senator Helms was a great American.

    Please see tributes here:

    http://senateconservatives.com/2008/07/05/america-remembers-jesse-helms/

65. #369458
    On July 7th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:45 pm, Rusty said:

    Yes, Rusty and others too…

    On July 7th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, Patriot 1st said:

    Senator Helms was a great American.

    Please see tributes here:

    http://senateconservatives.com/2008/07/05/america-remembers-jesse-helms/

    They beat the heck out of sites like lgm linked to…

    Even as we speak, “Piss” Helms is being horribly ass-raped in the seventh circle of Hell for the evil he has caused.

    Posted by VictorTheCrab | July 6, 2008 1:31 PM

    You have to love how that contributed to the discourse.

66. #369460
    On July 7th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    Asshat asked:
    Are people linking to the Jesse Helms Center and saying that’s a more objective source than journalists?

    Yes, SFB. The curators of the institution housing his papers would know more about his life than most others.

    Now address the facts instead of making ad hominem attacks. Start with something simple, like explaining why Dr. James Meredith would work for an “unrepentant segregationist.”

67. #369463
    On July 7th, 2008 at 4:17 pm, Rusty said:

    So, anything I pick up from this site is now null and void because of the occasional stupid commenter? Noted.

68. #369464
    On July 7th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, Rusty said:

    Yes, SFB. The curators of the institution housing his papers would know more about his life than most others.

    It’s an organization dedicated to protecting his legacy. Get a clue.

    You wouldn’t be so fast to use the Bill Clinton Library in a debate, would you?

69. #369485
    On July 7th, 2008 at 4:49 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    Michelle, your 1st paragraph at the top is right on. You have the left tripping over each other, “oh no, I’m not a bigot, I voted for MLK day, I’m for affirmative action, I didn’t even know blacks voted Democratic! I don’t have a Confederate flag in my garage. I don’t even HAVE a garage. You can go ask my wife!”. The pressure of political correctness. Go along, or be smeared. Reminds me of commie reeducation camps. But Jesse Helms would have none of that. He couldn’t care less. Smear away. You know who I think of these days who’s like that? “Fred!”. More charisma, but he’s not going to ever mouth a liberal shibboleth to avoid smears. Funny he wasn’t smeared more often for that reason.

70. #369489
    On July 7th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, Rusty said:

    Paul, ironically, “Fred” is the term Senator Helms used towards black people to avoid slipping up and using a slur.

    Here’s another great Helms anecdote. It’s way before my time so I can’t confirm if it’s true or not, but it’s a doozy.

71. #369492
    On July 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    Sure Rusty, I’m going to waste my time clicking on a link about a bad story about Helms that you don’t even know is true. So Helms called blacks “Fred”? Was “black” too complicated?

72. #369494
    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:01 pm, wighttrasch said:

    Helms boycotted the speech that Nelson Mandela gave before a joint session of Congress in 1990. Or a string of other shameful incidents too numerous to name.

    I certainly hope boycotting that speech isn’t what you would consider ’shameful’.
    If so, I have highlights from a certain lilliputian madman’s speech at Columbia University to share with you…

73. #369505
    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:19 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    This is funny – how come folks on this site are critical of Jeremiah Wright but not of Jesse Helms?

74. #369507
    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    Be back in 30 to check the water damage!

75. #369512
    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:25 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    Speaking of race issues…

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=upiUPI-20080707-122008-1071&show_article=1

    Person A: “Want to go out for Mexican tonight?

    Person B: “No thanks, I’m not a big fan of Mexican food.”

    UK gov’t: “Racist!!”

    Pathetic.

76. #369515
    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, Rusty said:

    Oh god, what will people do when they find out I don’t like Chinese?

77. #369521
    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:38 pm, dakine said:

    For those of you who care, words have meaning. A racist = a bigot with the ability to exercise power over the subject of his bigotry. Helms was a textbook racist.

    Hippie, piece of advice: be a bit more selective in choosing your conservative heroes. There are many classy and honorable conservatives throughout history from whom to choose. Or maybe you admire Helms because of his views on race, not in spite of them.

78. #369533
    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:54 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    …and if you convince me, I’ll do your next ten posts for you.

    To prove my bona fides, my money’s on the table…now!

    1. Who cares?
    2. You’re a tool, (insert name here).
    3. Really weak post.
    4. Who cares?
    5. You’re a tool, (insert name here).
    6. Really weak post.
    7. Who cares?
    8. You’re a tool, (insert name here).
    9. Really weak post.
    10. Who cares?

    

79. #369536
    On July 7th, 2008 at 6:03 pm, dakine said:

    Hippie, good thing you included the laughing emoticon (sp?) at the end of your post or I wouldn’t have known it was funny. Guess you lose.

80. #369541
    On July 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm, kayfromcarroll said:

    #58 graysonret linked:

    “kids who dislike spicy food need to be reported to their local council…”

    You’ve got to be kidding me!!! This sounds suspiciously like Orwell’s Animal Farm, or the Hitler Youth. If you don’t like spicy food, you are suspected of harboring racist thought. Have they had brain transplants in the UK?

    This is frightening….

81. #369546
    On July 7th, 2008 at 6:22 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 6:03 pm, dakine said:

    Guess you lose.

    Sorry chum. I gave you the opportunity to respond and you walked away.

    I win!

    
    That’s before I learned that when liberals have no arguments to offer against conservative logic, in desperation, they call you names.
    –Jane Chastain

82. #369564
    On July 7th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, dakine said:

    What do you win Hippie?

    BTW, your Chastain quote is misplaced.

83. #369566
    On July 7th, 2008 at 7:08 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    Curses! Graysonret beat me to the racist babies story! Foiled again!

    I guess I should have read through all 74 comments first. Nuts to that!

84. #369573
    On July 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, dakine said:

    What do you win Hippie?

    Either 1) the debate over Sen. Helms’ virtuosity, 2) screenplay credits for “Silence of the Trolls” or 3) both the above.

    BTW, your Chastain quote is misplaced.

    ¿Que?

    That’s before I learned that when liberals have no arguments to offer against conservative logic, in desperation, they call you names.
    –Jane Chastain

85. #369582
    On July 7th, 2008 at 7:30 pm, dakine said:

    Hippie, attempt at humor? Please include the little laughing emoticon when attempting to be funny chum. Otherwise, we have no way of knowing.

    If Helms is your idea of a virtuous conservative, then there’s nothing else to say. I’ll stick with Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, William Bennett and the like.

86. #369593
    On July 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 7:30 pm, dakine said:

    If Helms is your idea of a virtuous conservative, then there’s nothing else to say.

    You never have anything worthwhile to say except “Who cares, Michelle” and “You’re a tool (insert name).”

    Is there a reason you haven’t responded to this request? Hmmm?

87. #369603
    On July 7th, 2008 at 7:48 pm, dakine said:

    Your link doesn’t work Hippie. Hmmm?

88. #369611
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:06 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    Sorry, brah. It’s works on Firefox. Takes you here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30287

89. #369615
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:09 pm, lgm said:

    Die Hippie, Die said (#35):

    Bull-f*ckig-sh!t. Liar, liar.

    Some of you criticized a commenter on a liberal blog for profanity. Now imaging the reaction if that commenter had a handle like “die *****, die” referring to the majority religion in the US or to a particular political point of view.

90. #369622
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:14 pm, DBNinKY said:

    DHD, terrific article – thanx for the link!

91. #369623
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:15 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:06 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    Thanks for the link, DHD. That was an interesting article.

92. #369636
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:38 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:09 pm, lgm said:

    Die Hippie, Die said (#35):

    Bull-f*ckig-sh!t. Liar, liar.

    Some of you criticized a commenter on a liberal blog for profanity. Now imaging the reaction if that commenter had a handle like “die *****, die” referring to the majority religion in the US or to a particular political point of view.

    1. Hey lgm, still waiting for you to identify the units you swore that the President redeployed from Afghanistan to Iraq. Take your Ritalin and work on that first. Remember?

    2. It wasn’t “Die Hippie, Die said (#35):”
    It was “On July 7th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, Die Hippie, Die said: #36”

    Thank God you don’t work in a profession that uses numbers or relies on accuracy.

    3. Special characters (e.g., ! @ # % ^) are Internet bleeps. Go read your source journal on the Army (Beetle Bailey) and look in the balloon when Sarge is chewing out Beetle. Pssst! Sarge is swearing. Ssssshhh!

    4. When you hover your cursor (not Sarge, the mouse cursor on your screen) over the purple text and the cursor changes from an arrow to a hand…you’ve discovered a H-Y-P-E-R-L-I-N-K. Hyperlinks take you other places. Sort of like what your mushrooms do inside your head, but on the Internet. Still, they’re kinda magickal.

    Did you know Algore invented the Internet? Sure you did.
    Anyway, the hyperlink on Die Hippie, Die takes you to an episode of South Park called…”Die Hippie, Die.” Just want to let you know that South Park is a cartoon, so when Kenny dies, you don’t think it’s real. Oddly, Kenny’s family is poor, but Kenny isn’t covered under SCHIP. Curse you, B-o-o-o-o-o-sh!

    5. Finally, if you object to my use of BFS, liar, liar, I’d gladly substitute lgm. I don’t think anyone would be confused by the reference.

    6. What does lgm stand for?

    7. Don’t forget to work on #1.

    Ciao, baby!

93. #369639
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:39 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    DBNinKY, Barry F.:

    My pleasure, gentlemen!

94. #369641
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:42 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, Rusty said:

    If Helms had been a Democrat? He was. He wasn’t welcome in our party anymore. Democrats don’t automatically vote No on gay presidential appointees. Democrats didn’t appeal to racists for electoral power in the Southern strategy. The one bad Democrat that didn’t switch to the racist right was Robert Byrd. And Robert Byrd renounced his ugly, ugly past.

    There was no such renunciation from Senator Helms.

    Neither has Jeremiah Wright to my knowledge.

    “This is the reality in which Revered Wright and other African- Americans of his generation grew up,” said Obama.

    See? We all have our crosses to bear! (this was more of a swipe at Obama by the way)

    On July 7th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, latinconservative said:

    Thank God no one believes the dribble lgm spews..He is seriously disconnected and he looks like he needs a shower..

    Hmm, “dribble” and “spew.” I think you have the wrong end for what lgm produces and where it comes from.

    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, Rusty said:

    Oh god, what will people do when they find out I don’t like Chinese?

    The food or the people?

95. #369642
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:45 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:42 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, Rusty said:

    Oh god, what will people do when they find out I don’t like Chinese?

    The food or the people?

    Or the water torture that is his usual post?

96. #369645
    On July 7th, 2008 at 8:51 pm, almeehan said:

    Helms boycotted the speech that Nelson Mandela gave before a joint session of Congress in 1990

    I didn’t see the article recently about Mandela condeming the black racist Mugabe who is killing off other tribal opponents. I’m sure it is in the WaPo somewhere…? The MSM is strangely quiet about black on black racism among tribal groups. Perhaps something brought here from Africa?

97. #369669
    On July 7th, 2008 at 9:33 pm, allrsn said:

    On July 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, lgm said:
    gayle said (#24):

    That is about the dumbest comment on the board today.

    He was not racist. He had minorities on his staff for crying out loud.
    You should follow the link. You might learn something.

    No I did not learn anything we did not already know. You have been brainwashed by the nonsense of the left.

    The Republican party was founded from the wigg party, which was very religous. The republican party has always be based on religion, nothing new about it.

    That is only one of the many falsehoods in that obviously heavly biased artical.

    You must to learn to read and think critically or you will continue to fall for this propaganda.

98. #369670
    On July 7th, 2008 at 9:36 pm, allrsn said:

    opps I must have hit strike instead of quote, sorry about that shows what preview is for.