DC mayor still unclear on the concept explained in Heller
Sigh:
The court ruled that a blanket ban on handguns is unconstitutional, but D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty and other Washington officials want to keep in place a prohibition on semiautomatic handguns — those in which a bullet clip is inserted into the gun’s grip.
Such a ban would continue to outlaw 9-mm and other popular pistols that are legal in most other places around the United States. And it would make the classic six-shooter the only legal handgun in the District.
Okay, here’s Scalia’s language from Heller:
It is enough to note, as we have observed, that the American people have considered the handgun to be the quintessential self-defense weapon. There are many reasons that a citizen may prefer a handgun for home defense: It is easier to store in a location that is readily accessible in an emergency; It cannot easily be redirected or wrestled away by an attacker; it is easier to use for those without the upperbody strength to lift and aim a long gun; it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police. Whatever the reason, handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home, and a complete prohibition of their use is invalid.
Did you catch the part where Scalia talks about revolvers?
No, you didn’t, because it’s not in there. He says handguns. Semi-automatic, revolver, Rossi, Ruger, Charter, Springfield Armory, Taurus, Colt, Korth, Kimber. Even Glock.
Handguns.
For “whatever the reason”.
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The stupidity in DC is providing a windfall for the lawyers they hire. Nice to know where those tax dollars go…..
It took liberals 200+ years to even concede (due to a lawsuit no less) that the Constitution said and still says exactly what it meant… that an individual has the right to bear arms.
Did you expect them to jump for joy and admit their ban was illegal and open shop for everyone to enjoy their constitutional rights? Heh.
They will lose this fight too because the NRA will slam them into the last ice age with another lawsuit since reading skills are obviously failing the D.C. liberals in charge of that city.
Hye See-Dubya, as a commenter pointed out in this story, maybe we also need a 15 day waiting period for kitchen knives?
Why not just restrict cartridges and just say people may only own flintlock pistols…
“Bullet clip”?
It would be nice if reporters actually knew what the heck they were talking about before they wrote stories about handguns.
This does raise an interesting question: what is a citizen to do if one branch of government, especially the executive branch (whether a mayor, governor, or President), disregards the courts? Sounds to me like all the more reason to celebrate Heller by buying more weapons and ammunition. Granted, this mayor hasn’t completely disregarded the courts in this case, but he sure does enjoy spending his constituents’ money by going to court against the NRA time and again.
Just what DC needs: another thousand lawyers spending millions of other people’s dollars arguing over the definition of “handgun”.
Idiots.
Is anyone surprised? Those who do not understand, or do not care for, the simple words of the Constitution will fight tooth and nail to keep the Constitution from being enforced.
I do not wish to treadjack.
Send_Me: Seeing you just posted 20 minutes ago, I just wanted to inform you that I replied to your post in our previous discussion.
Thanks.
Someone read the 2nd amendment real s l o w to him. Unclear on the concept — he must have gone to one of the touchy feely schools instead of one that teaches reading. Poor Baby. So, will someone please read it to him and save taxpayer money.
Your tax dollars go the federal government, not the city government trying to pass this stupid law.
Actually, the city of DC is at an artificial disadvantage when it comes to tax income. The federal government won’t allow DC to institute a commuter tax.
Any news on speedloaders for revolvers??
Since DC classifies a machine gun as any weapon that can fire more than 12 shots before reloading, does that make my pistol with a laser sight a ray gun?
Don’t forget SIG Sauer or Heckler-Koch. Even if the SCOTUS ok’s semi-automatics, DC will claim that bullets aren’t covered. You’ll need to throw your handgun to defend yourself. That’ll leave a mark.
My first reaction to the sentence myself I always thought that the bullets were in a magazine that fit in the handle of a pistol. Anyone that has ever been through military basic training can tell you a clip of 5 rounds is used to quickly load the magazine of an M-16 or other variations of a combat rifle (M-1 Garand comes to mind the most). Leave it to the MSM to get it wrong.
If the ballot goes against the desires of the fascist liberals they go to the courts, if the courts go against them they just do what they hell they want anyway. This only confirms the “rule of law” doesn’t apply when it goes against the liberal mindset. For those that still have the freedoms guaranteed under the individual right of the 2nd Amendment I highly recommend that you Buy Lots Of Arms/Ammo Today (BLOAT) I have a bad feeling we are going to need both to defend our rights and liberties in the very near future.
That nasty, insignificant little burg is more trouble than it’s worth. Move the capitol to Wyoming, or Texas, or Oklahoma, or Arizona, or anyplace in fly over country. Just leave that city isolated and let them fight amongst themselves.
Let’s see:
“The court ruled that a blanket ban on handguns is unconstitutional, …”
This seems to be clear and understandable, even by first graders.
“… but D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty and other Washington officials want to keep in place a prohibition on semiautomatic handguns”
This too, seems clear, and clearly illegal.
It sounds like a clear cut case of Contempt of Court (and likely the one court to which one should not show contempt).
Has anyone yet approached the (apparently only) FFL holder in D.C. to buy, say, a Browning Hi Power in 9mm?
How about bring one into D.C.?
13 rounds; design almost as old as the M1911; should be an excellent test case.
Liberals can’t help being liberals, it’s a mental disease!
I could make a good argument that a double action revolver is a semi-automatic firearm. These people would try and outlaw a .177 cal pellet gun if they could (for all I know they already have!).
Maybe Fenty has an issue with…er, size? It’s quite possible he’s a derringer man and just not packin’.
Well, see_dub, I suspect Scalia’s opinion is like Liberals’ interpretation of the Constitution - “It’s a living breathing document“, don’t ya know.
Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark…well…maybe not one that will be easily seen.
How about a 9-shooter? 5-shooter. These people are clueless and typical liberals.
Do you have to get a lobotomy when you join the Democratic Party?
DC to Supreme Court - Drop dead.
How to outfox the DC City Council? Buy one of these beauties!
Full article here.
Reminds me when that TWA airliner was highjacked. The newspuke commented that the pilot had a revolver aimed at his head at one point. Any guesses as to what type of handgun was being wielded? Yup, no revolving to it. It had a MAGAZINE not a clip and it probably held 10 rounds (bullets if you are a democrat troll). Bottom line is that they all go boom and if you have a good gun control program going (you aim well and use two hands) you need only one shot. Oh, and a little bit of clean-up afterwards.
So if DC can call any darn thing they please a “machine gun”, how long before they declare that all Republican politicians are “machine guns” and therefore illegal?
To think the same people who have bullied, intimidated and trampled the rights of Americans in the recent past will suddenly stop just because they’ve taken a club to the head administered by the Supreme court, is very naive.
They were perverse before and they’re perverse still.
“What we need is safer bullets…”
- Jocelen Elders
Expect tons of willful confusion between semi-automatics and automatics from the press and Fenty when talking about this, standard gun control move.
Let’s see:
1. Republicans
2. Republican attack machine
3. Republican
attackmachine guns4.
Republican attackmachine gunsThey could do it in four steps. But given liberal intellectual slouchiness, it might take them 3-4 years.
THEY CAN TAKE MY CAPS LOCK KEY WHEN THEY PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD KEYBOARD
Sorry, your keyboard has been classified as a machine gun. Now hand it over.
Can SCOTUS slap contempt on these folls? Can District Court?
Who (in Judiciary) has teeth and when will they use them?
COME AND GET IT FLENSER. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF I TYPED FIVE WORDS, OR SIX… TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I DON’T REMEMBER MYSELF…
Isn’t it a bit disengenous to suggest that DC is self supporting?
http://www.citiesforprogress.org/index.php?id=74&option=com_content&task=view
And every time DC has a shortfall in revenue, it is the federal government that balances its books by dipping into federal tax revenues.
So, while it is technically correct that our tax payments go to the federal government, Congress appropriates a decent chunk of that revenue every year to support the lunacy in the District of Columbia.
I love it! “I am sooo smart I can tell you all what to do… wait, the court said what? Nooo I’m just a simple man, I don’t understand THAT”
Poor mayor Bloomberg, it must sux to see it coming
Oh, & BTW, is a drum magazine considered a revolver???
Uh, no….
As a native Washingtonian I can say that the current mayor (Adrian Fenty) is a lightweight compared to the former mayor (Tony Williams). Most of the pictures I see of Mr. Fenty, he has that deer in the headlights look and the facial expression of “Help! I’m overwhelmed!”
Anyway, DC has been hijacked by the liberal establishment for so long they could not find their way out of a wet paper bag. It used to be such a great city before home rule.
Since D.C. relies on tax support from the federal government, I would ask why won’t the government just cut them off for filing stupid lawsuits in direct opposition to the Supreme Court. But, hey, that would be asking all the liberals in Congress to go against their own wishes of disarming America. And this is why I keep my N.R.A. dues and donations up to date.
The idiots in DC will keep doing this until they are forced to do so….what we need is a president with spine…
They are hoping they can stall Heller in until they think they can slip in Obama.
I believe this might be considered a revolver…
I think what is going to have to happen is for DC residents to bring in semiautos, get arrested as an act of civil disobedience, and sock the DC liberal pukes for the TAX MONEY it is going to take to incarcerate all those people while DC is taken to court again….
Money talks
AlohaGuy- Now that is my kind of revolver!
Let them try to pry that one out of my hands.
I’ll give it to them……bullets first of course.:)
Maybe they need to review this (Spew alert)
“D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty and other Washington officials want to keep in place a prohibition on semiautomatic handguns — those in which a bullet clip is inserted into the gun’s grip.”
Very well, wish granted. There is something to be said for the M-950 revolver.
Oh my God…..
I need a new keyboard.
Yeah, D.C is going to make the new gun laws as strict as they can legally can. If your choice is a nine iron or a revolver, i’d take a revolver any day. They even have some advantages over semi-autos, they are less apt to jam and they fire wad-cutters better than autos. Wad-cutters work well for home defense when your kids are sleeping in the next room and you don’t want a stray round to go half way through the house before it stops. I shot a racoon one night that came in through the screen door with .38 W.C., it dropped on the spot.
A bigger concern is that the city counsel has said they will not allow any building permits for firing ranges in the city. How do they expect people who are unfamilar with firearms to learn gun safety and marksmanship?
Those are flippin sweet!!!!
#45, GREAT STUFF!
I absolutely loved watching that video again. Thanks!
So Mayor Fenty, would you prefer your subjects shoot the
bad guysless-fortunate products of society with a 6-shot .380 auto pistol that would fire as fast as you could pull the trigger or a 6-shot .454 Casull revolver that would um, fire as fast as you could pull the trigger? (Hint - the .454 round is 2.5 - 3 times the size of the .380 round, travels more than twice as fast and has about 9 times the energy)Sorry Mayor, but the action isn’t an indicator of the “evilness” of a gun. Neither is color or capacity. Sheesh…these GFW’s have to go…
In other words, screw you SCOTUS. MY feelings say I ma right so SUTF.
Aren’t all DC Mayors addled or drug users? Or am I just generalizing? Or am I dead nuts on?
The question is what sort of punative actions can be taken against the mayor for INFRINGING CIVIL RIGHTS, with his intransigence and unconstituitional restriction of an individual enumerated right enshrined in the constitution?
Make them PAY. And I mean personally, not just paying lawyers.
Jim M., the money that DC gets from the feds remains very limited. For example, there are certain things (like needle exchange programs, for example) that we’re not allowed to spend the money on. We’re also not allowed to use the money towards lobbying for Congressional representation.
Considering the federal government and the city of DC have are so dependent one ach other, it makes sense that the Feds help us out. After all, there’s a lot of land here that we’re not allowed to tax.
People like Fenty are going to cause me to join the NRA again even though I do not own a firearm.
We’re forgetting that DC politicians are above the law, even the SCOTUS.
Easy solution, buy them and defend them. The highest court says you have that right. Case closed.
Okay, most of us realize the constitution already gave us that right, but I think you get my drift.
Rusty: “Actually, the city of DC is at an artificial disadvantage when it comes to tax income. The federal government won’t allow DC to institute a commuter tax.”
DC is at a disadvantage because much of it is populated by federal agencies which are exempt from taxes. The federal government probaby doesn’t want DC to drive away its employees with taxes. As it is, the DC government is puzzled as to why businesses move to the suburbs to escape the existing taxes. Even minority-owned businesses that get a tax break from DC move out as soon as they can. DC is a liberal town, unfriendly to business, which they regard as money trees which they can harvest endlessly.
DC’s gun laws have been so successful in reducing crime in our nation’s capitol, its no wonder they are loathe to give them up. Especially for such a flimsy rationale as the US Constitution.
DC’s problem is that they haven’t reacted audaciously enough in response to Heller. Single-shot, muzzle-loading black powder handguns are what ought to be allowed. No air guns; they can be loaded with eye-popping numbers of BBs.
What about caliber? Something less than the deadly .22 should be the limit.
The idiots that run DC should stick to their bongs and crack pipes. Now there’s a real fundamental, personal constitutional right. The right to get high.
You might think of buying a few before January. I am fairly certain that either Obama or McCain will allow/encourage Congress to pass a new “Assualt Weapons Ban”. The last one include a ban on ‘clips’ that held more than ten rounds (magazine for the PC challenged of us) and a slew of rifles and pistols. Senator Splash Kennedy’s version of the last ban would have included self-loading rifles and shotguns, pump action shotguns and most center fire rifles. He didn’t get it but he has not quit trying.
That might be true, I don’t know how you could prove or disprove it; many gun owners tend to be closed mouthed about what guns they do have. But many of the schools and books on home defense suggest a pump shotgun as the standard weapon-you use your handgun to get to your long gun. A pistol grip shot gun would have been illegal under the AWB. That pistol grip does give the homeowner a little more control (I still have the stock and pistol grip).
I hope you join the NRA and oher gun rights groups. See if your home state has it’s own lobbying group. Here are just three.
Arizona
Massachusetts
Virginia
I hope you do join crapweasel, we need the numbers.
These D.C. dolts will drag their feet until the justice department steps on their arches. Obey the law of the land people.
It’s wrong but here’s where the mayor is getting his angle from
Good thing he didn’t think to restrict use to TC, derringers, and blackpowder muzzle loaders
Yeah, I watched Fenty make this statement on the news and I commented at Arms and the Law. After I calmed down a little, the attorney in me started thinking. Yes, if this moron chooses to push it, the issue will be litigated. However, based on current D.C. law and the Heller decision, Fenty doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on. First, with regard to full auto’s, he can maintain that ban based on Federal law, except for the few with the appropriate federal license. However, there is NO D.C. ordinance that excepts out semi-auto’s from revolvers. Consequently, the Heller decision is the clear controlling law of the land and Fenty will get beat like a red-headed step-child if this goes to court. Sounds like time for summary judgment as a matter of law.
Surely this lot can’t be that stupid about guns?? Don’t they pack when they drive into Northeast to buy crack?
The liberals are not going to give up on this. The constitution to them is just some nice words on an old parchment. It’s a speedbump on the road to socialism.
I dont see much changing in DC. While you may be able to possess a handgun, I’ll bet the law that requires a trigger lock and ammunition stored in another room will still be in effect. You cant buy a gun outside of DC and bring it in. Your shotguns and rifles will still have to be stored broken down. I next look for a ban on ammunition. I dont think the constitution covers that. If not an outright ban then it will be illegal to transport ammunition into DC.
DC was a sewer when I was a kid 50 years ago and it still is. Its only redeeming factor is the National Zoo and the Smithsonian. The rest of it can break off and float down the Potomac to be used for Naval gunnery practice as far as I’m concerned.
The numbers don’t back that up. Businesses are booming here. And companies do not move out. Don’t underestimate the value of an address. Having an office on K Street is priceless to some people. L Street? Eh. Bethesda? Oh, hell no.
Said with a straight face?
The appropriation for 2005 was over $8 BILLION (with a “B”). How many other cities receive that kind of windfall from the federal government?
Yes, there are restrictions on how the money is used (after all, this comes from taxpayers across the US). But that amount of money allows the DC government to use its other revenues as mad money, which they can spend like drunken sailors (or democrats). In short, the federal teat that DC sucks off of is a recipe for abdication of any and all responsibility and rational decision making. If they screw up, Congress will bail them out.
How about semi-auto revolvers, like the old Webley-Fosbery .455?
My Smith & Wesson Model 66 .357 is actually my favorite handgun. But, I also like my Ruger P90 9mm and my Colt 1911 .45.
His Honor, the Mayor, really needs to read a dictionary to see the definition of “Handgun”. He can’t come along later and try to say “handgun” means revolvers, but not semi-auto’s. Liberals have tried for years to alter the definition of the Constitution. They STILL haven’t learned their lesson. I guess they need to lose a few more lawsuits.
#41 Aloha Guy
I like that revolver! Now, where can I buy a holster for it?
And Ohio? Bwahahahahah….
Sorry, not dissing Ohio, but Rusty is moving there, and for a political junkie, I think it will be amusing.
A moon roof on your SUV is all you need…
*Yawn*
I’m dealing with Mike Bloomberg. DC is so retarded they elected a mayor who got caught smoking crack with a prostitute- TWICE, they elected him.
NYC with Wall Street and everything only appears to be ahead of that curve. They still want to rob us of guns, though- Bloomberg directly said he sees no problem with the way their laws are written- that it poses no conflict.
But Bloomberg only wants our money. When he can figure out how to tax bullets, he’ll modify his stance.
So that S&W 500 that I have had my eye on is going to be legal in DC???
I move out of that god forsaken city 2 years ago for SE Virginia and I have not regretted it for a moment.