Estupido: Juan Hernandez gives dumb advice; McCain takes it
Whose idea was it to send John McCain down to Mexico the day before Independence Day and have him grovel for Latino votes south of the border by visiting the Basilica de Guadalupe–a famed Catholic shrine featuring the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe, which most Mexican politicians consider off-limits for campaigning?
According to Frentes Politicos (hat tip – reader Edgar M.), the stunt was the brainchild of none other than McCain’s open-borders Hispanic outreach director and former Mexican cabinet official Juan Hernandez, who apparently survived the big campaign staff shake-up:
I. El truco para la buena imagen fue idea de Juan Hernández —el director de la Oficina Presidencial para Mexicanos en el Exterior de Vicente Fox—, quien hoy asesora en asuntos de hispanos al candidato presidencial republicano de EU, John McCain. Dentro del equipo de campaña refieren que el consejero supo referir cuán afortunada en simpatía mexicana resulta una visita a la Basílica de Guadalupe, dada la centenaria cultura popular de equiparar “estadunidense” con “protestante”.
Rough translation via Babelfish (if you’ve got a better one, let me know):
I. The trick for the good image was [the] idea of Juan Hernandez – the Mexican director of the Presidential Office [of Mexicans Living Outside Mexico for] Vicente Fox, who today advises in subjects Hispanic to the Republican presidential candidate of the [Estados Unidos/United States], John McCain. Within the field equipment they refer that the advisor knew to refer how lucky in Mexican affection is a visit to the Basilica from Guadalupe, given the centennial popular culture to compare “estadunidense” with “protestant”.
Hernandez, of course, served under former Mexican president Vicente Fox–who, what a coinky-dink, also wrapped himself in the banner of the Virgin of Guadalupe while campaigning.
Here’s McCain with the Virgin of Guadalupe looming over him during a Mexican TV interview:
Could Hernandez and friends be more heavy-handed?
McCain’s visit last week confounded Mexicans, irked grass-roots American conservatives, and failed to mollify the un-mollify-able shamnesty forces on either side of the border. All for one cheap, pandering photo-op.
If Obama had pulled something this crass and stupid on the eve of Independence Day weekend, Republicans would be having a field day today.
Instead, you’ll hear…nada.
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Next pander-stops:
McCain and Obama speak to the League of United Latin American Citizens’ national convention on Tuesday in Washington and the National Council of La Raza/The Race on Saturday in San Diego.
As I mentioned last week, San Diego votes on a La Raza/The Race Day declaration on Tuesday.
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Help me out here. I know two guys are running for president. Is McCain the demecrat or the socialist ?
Ewwww. He used the “compassionate” word! I feel dirty. Gotta go shower…
Whenever Juan Hernandez speaks, I want to smack the guy; I always change the channel. He is NOT a friend of the United States, and I am saddened that old man McAmnesty is being guided by this jerk.
I don’t want to vote for McAmnesty!… how in the HELL did he become my only choice.
We are doomed, doomed, doomed…
I still say, do NOT vote for either Juan McCain or Mobarak Hussein “God D***n America” Obama. If you HAVE TO discharge your civic duty, vote for Ron Paul. That way, you will still be able to see yourself in the mirror.
And I’m supposed to vote for this guy because he is the Republican nominee? When he continually slaps me in the face with this crap. I think Mr. McCain is ill advised by Juan “no borders” Hernandez, great job keep it up John you keep whittling away your base. maybe you can carve a fence out of this stupidity.
Vote for the guy that claims 19 thugs flew planes into the WTC buildings and Pentagon? A truther? The man who wants to fix the tax code and be a constitutionalist with OUR congress and senate? And you would still be able to look at yourself in the mirror? You must be talking about the back side of it.
He was the only person pointing McCain in the direction of conservatism – right? UGH
This is just one of the reasons McCains going to lose this Fall.Also why myself, family and friends do not contribute to or will cast a vote for McCain.As immigration expert Mark Kirkorian put it McCain and Obama believe pretty much the same thing on immigration only McCain is far more committed to amnesty or something to that effect.
Thought it was obvious.
That about covers it. Crass and stupid. It is becoming apparent that conservatives have no voice in Juan McCain’s campaign. Neither does common sense.
Bob Barr, people. Vote Bob Barr.
McCain is so out of touch with the conservative base that when the election is over, he will be asking,”What happened?” He refuses to listen to the people who could make him president. Shoving amnesty down our throats will never get the votes he needs.
Perhaps we have only bad and worse for Presidental candidates, but we can still take back the House and Senate.
Make sure we vote for true Conservatives there. That way, we can still exercise some control over the moron in the White House.
And what year would that be?
Does anyone really believe Obama would not be a more desirable el Presidente than McCain – from the hispanic perspective? Hernandez is probably a mole working hard for an Obama presidency. That would explain this lunacy.
Ann Coulters idea of election day parties to get people drunk enough to pull the lever for the RINO (to stop the Obammunist) sounds like a good one.
John McCain has pulled more really stupid stunts than any candidate I can remember. I often wonder if he wants to be President or just wants to run and irritate us. Perhaps he reached across the isle so many times he is confused.
Viva Azteca until they run into sharia. Then Juan and Juan too be toast.
#15:
Any idea that winds up with a vote cast for McCain is not a good one, no matter how humorous it’s presented.
Cue the “If you don’t vote for McCain, you are supporting Obama for President!” types.
Well, I’m not voting for Obama, so I guess that means logically “I support McCain for President!” Anyway, screw ‘em both. They’re sure going to screw us.
Cue the “McCain’s a war hero who loves America and will defend it!” types.
Tell it to McCain, not me. He and his friend Juan, not to mention his Razi buddies, keep dropping really strong hints that he has moved on — and I believe him. Why don’t you?
Cue the “McCain will nominate conservative judges!” types.
No he won’t. Everyone should have figured that out by now. On any appointment, he will consult with his liberal friends and that will be that.
Cue the “McCain will have a conservative running mate!” types.
Maybe so, which is actually bad news. That poor sap will be the fall guy when McCain loses. The entire RINO establishment will then wail in chorus that Republicans were once again too far to the Right and we’ve got to move to the “Center,” i.e. even further to the Left. Make no mistake about it: John “Will somebody please hold the teleprompter steady?” McCain will lose. The only question is by how much.
I will do my civic duty and vote, however. I will vote for a Republican in congress. Too bad my district is about the safest in the country for the incumbent liberal. I will vote for conservative ballet measures. Too bad the odds are they will be overturned by the liberal state supreme court. I will vote for a Republican governor. Too bad he will have the election stolen from him again by the democrats. As for president, who cares?
EMaa-K:
Good, but I still like your bronchitis vs. lung cancer analogy better. Would you reprise it here? Please.
Is McCain trying to give this election to Obama? He’s doing a good job, as Obama got ALL the press this weekend and McCain is in Mexico?! I wish McCain weren’t such a stubborn old man and that he’d actually listen for once. He’s going to lose the entire upper midwest from MN to Montana if he keeps up this crap. Fifteen electoral votes up in smoke.
All I hear about is what a socialist/ Marxist that Obama is. He certainly is that. However Mr Hernandez, one of Mr McCain’s inner circle, is too so that ought to tell “Republicans” something but I don’t think it is.
Yeah. Who cares. Obama is going to be fine. Just fine. So what if he’s going to be ten times worse than McShamnesty! I bet Obama’s judges will only be on the supreme court for 30 years. It’s all going to be fine. All eight years of Obama. I mean, after all, what harm can he do in eight years.
Who cares? Not me. Not you. I’m glad we’ve sorted it all out. Who cares.
And the amnesty train rolls on. What a shame our entire political leadership is h*ll bent on completley destroying this nation with their “compassion” and amnesty. They will either drive us into bankruptcy with their give aways to foreign nations or import enough uneducated illiterates that require taxpayer assistance forever.
Could mcamensty have any worse advisers? I mean come on, choosing to go to mexico during OUR nation’s most important historical event. Sigh!!!
I am with you and well said. I have decided to support and vote for Pastor Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. The reason? He is dead set against amnesty under any name.
This is the main reason i do not trust Mcamensty. He says one thing and does another. I know when he is POUS he will do the same ignorant thing Reagan did and give the illegals amnesty. Reagan regretted it all his life for doing it but i bet Mcshame does not understand that.
A pastor?
No thanks. It’s ironic that their homepage criticizes Barr by saying, “Being For the Constitution SOME of the Time And Not All Of The Time Is Like Being ‘A Little Bit Pregnant’,” yet that is exactly the positioning the “Constitution” Party has laid out for itself.
“Constitutional” platform
No, thanks.
McCain is a loser, and is just cannon fodder for Obama. Time to campaign for decent representatives and senators.
The bronchitis one?
OK, end stage lung cancer. You cough a lot and feel miserable. Bronchitis, you cough a lot, and feel miserable.
But most people eventually recover from bronchitis. Most people die from lung cancer.
McCain is bronchitis, Obama is lung cancer. That is the choice. You may request a banana split or a root beer float (Libertarian or Constitution parties), but if you do, you’ll get lung cancer. Because ice cream isn’t going to happen. It is either bronchitis or lung cancer.
America can survive a Joe Lieberman type pro-American Democrat, which is what McCain basically is. America may not survive someone as naive as Jimmy Carter with far more radical beliefs. (Carter didn’t go off the America hating deep end until his humiliation against Reagan).
To paraphrase Sean Hannity, you’ll disagree with McCain 30% of the time as President. You’ll disagree with the Obamarxist 100% of the time.
Every time I find a minor reason to hold my nose and just vote for this clown, he up and gives me 3 or 4 major reasons to stay home and pray America can survive 4 years of either of these American Worker hating men.
Ed, basing an argument on a logical fallacy isn’t sound.
I’m still voting for McCain, Mrs. Malkin, even though you seemed to not want me to.
There. It was missing something. *sigh*
I keep trying to remind myself of this. But, it isn’t easy. Every time I take a step toward convincing myself to vote for McCain in November, he knocks me back 3-4 with his antics.
But, your remarks come a lot closer to convincing me than some that yell, denigrate and/or scare someone into voting for McCain. Thanks.
It is TREASON to not respect the soverignity of the USA. McCain’s TREASONous tendencies are glaringly obvious. So, although this assessment seems to be quite an accurate one, in good conscience, CANNOT vote for a traitor with a proven record of treason. Sorry, I expect patriotism from my presidential candidates (McCain is no Tom Tancredo, R-CO).
How presumptuous of you. I don’t recall giving Hannity or you permission to represent me or my beliefs, or to tell me what to think.
Perhapse everyone here who hates McCain would like to join MoveOn PAC’s “McCain watch.”
http://pol.moveon.org/pac/mccainwatch/index.html
Since you already want exactly the same thing to happen as them, for McCain to loose. Here is their pitch. Cool huh?
Nita Chaudhary is greatful for all of his democrats, and new conservative converts to MoveOn PAC for helping them to defeat McCain.
I’ll take a stab:
The good image trick was the brain child of Juan Hernandez, the director of Vicente Fox’s Office of Expatriate Mexicans in the U.S., who today advises U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain on hispanic issues. Inside the campaign team, they note that the counselor (Hernandez) “knew” how much sympathy/goodwill among Mexicans a visit to the Basilica de Guadalupe would provide, given the popular (Mexican) cultural custom of equating “American” with “protestant.”
The worst translation a DOJ’er can provide…enjoy!
Juan McCain or Obamessiah? sigh…
Both are arrogant and self-righteously convinced they have the answers to America’s problems. Both are panderers, just not always to the same groups. Both want to take us down the road to bigger government, which also means less individual freedom. Both have the nascent temperament of a petty dictator – they will not hesitate use the force of government to make people behave as they think they should behave.
McVain will not take us down that road quite as fast. Is that reason enough to vote for him? After he’s elected will Republicans support him and his programs, or will they resist? Is it too late to resist once he’s elected?
It’s not clear that McCain can win even if every conservative votes for him just because he’s got an “R” after his name. And suppose we get a RINO President whose liberal programs take us farther down the road to socialism, what does that do to the Republican Party that supposedly is based on conservative, Constitutional principles?
How do we get back to conservatism by voting for liberal lite?
As if right on cue.
The irony is that our parish’s youth group was at Guadalupe for a pilgrimmage to the shrine this past week (after working to fix up a Catholic Church in a poor rural area of the country).
What bothers me the most is that as a practicing orthodox Catholic, I really have no choice but to vote for McCain, mainly due to Life vs Abortion, and his judges (guided by Fred Thompson apparently, who was fully backed by the National Right to Life people).
For those of you who sit this out, you are dead wrong – by failing to oppose the greater evil (Obama & the hard leftist he brings), you encourage it and allow it to flourish.
You have a DUTY to try to do whats best for the nation as citizens. And to sit this out is NOT the proper thing to do.
Furthermore if you are Catholic, you have a moral duty to exercise your right to vote (go look it up), especially when there are clear and distinct moral choices and consequences.
And that is far different from Immigration, which can be opposed regardless of party, as NumberUSA has shown. Its far easier to block legislation than it is to pass it. So a dedicated minority (Conservatives) can prevent some of the worst, but not on judges, who will veer the nation sharply to the lunatic left, destroying our Constitution in the process. And Obama will also endager the security of the nation, and the lives of our children and grandchildren as he surrenders to terrorism and retreats from Iraq.
You need not be actively aiding McCain, who I disagree with on a lot of things, especially his stubbornness and stupidity on illegals, amnesty and global warming. But you do need to get out and vote in the end, for the one that can stop the worst from happening, which is, however unfortunate, McCain.
The blood and guilt of the Obama regime will be on your hands, for decades, due to the kinds of people he will put on the supreme court, the policies he will enact, and the retreat he will cause on the war against islamofascist terrorism.
Think about that. Think about the kind of hell you are sentencing the nation to all because you wanted to throw a childish tantrum and sit on your hands.
The stakes are simply too high. Beat up McCain on immigration and environment – thats fine. But withholding your vote and allowing Obama to win? Thats idiocy.
I believe from the context that in this quote the word “protestante” should have been translated as either “protest” or “protester” and not as “protestant”
Did you sign up yet? LOTS of awesome anti-McCa-I mean McSHAMNESTY stuff for you to read. I bet you’ll become one of their greatest members!
After all, you and them want the same thing, right?
Right?
What logical fallacy would that be?
That the winner will be either the RINO or the communist?
Show me a poll showing either the Constitution or Libertarian candidate getting 20% of the popular vote, or a majority in any state, and then you can discuss logical fallacies.
You had a bad childhood, didn’t you?
You think you are quite the comedian. You think this is all a joke, don’t you. Who cares if Obama wins the presidency. After all, the most important thing here is that we hate McCain.
Do you remember Barry F.
when the democrats said that Bush wasn’t their president? If McCain is elected, are you going to be one of those people who say, McCain isn’t my president, Barry F. 
?
You are just one big L O L, aren’t you, Barry F.
.
You MUST vote for Tweedledum and not for Tweedledee! It’s your DUTY! The blood of dead babies will be on your hands and your grandmother will be thrown into the street eating dog food! And it’s all YOUR fault, personally, unless you vote for Tweedle…uhh, …
This thread is a great example of why our country and the republicans are ever moving to the left. “What are you going to do”. Heaven forbid that we stand up and say no. Heaven forbid that we have the fortitude of our forefathers and say screw you? Many will just embrace the evil even though it is of the “lesser” quality. Why would the “republicans” want to change when they are supported no matter what they do? Our posterity will curse the ground we walk on because we have become cowards who constantly look to not be bothered making the hard choices & sacrifices.
wise_man really lives in a binary world.
Well put, AlturaCt. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still to embrace evil. A reluctant vote for evil still counts the same as an enthusiastic vote for that evil and still signals approval to the politician and the party.
And again I ask, how do we get back to conservatism and to the right if we vote ever leftward?
It’s nice to come here for some comedic relief from you, wise_man. But, you might want to have your blood pressure checked. It can’t be good for you to keep getting yourself this worked up.
But, to answer your question, I may end up voting for McCain – no thanks to any of your attempts at
coercionintimidationstrong armingconvincing me – but he won’t be my president. He will have been my default choice, as he will for a great many others who will reluctantly cast a ballot for socialism-lite (got to love that “En Espanol” at the top of the page), instead of the full-bodied socialism.I’ll check back in with you, when I need another chuckle. I know you won’t let me down.
In the meantime, keep working. I hear there are some really nifty items for which you might qualify.
It’s time for Hernandez to decide if he is an American or a Mexican citizen. He can not serve 2 nations without being a TRAITOR to 1.
If you do not choose the “lesser of two evils” then you will get the greater of two evils. Because while you don’t vote for the lesser, the people voting for the greater of the two evils will be voting for their candidate.
You echo the false dilemma, wise_man. This is not an either-or choice; there are other candidates.
AlturaCT and longbow, you are both correct. The gop will continue to drift left if we continue to tacitly support that move by voting for them no matter their platform (a platform that has become “we are not as bad as the other guy”). I will vote for someone I truly respect and agree with on the issues. Unfortunately, that is no longer the gop. I will vote for the Constution Party nominee regardless of the fact that he has virtually no chance of getting even 10% of the vote. And that is NOT throwing my vote away. That is voting for the candidate I think will do the best job, as our founders envisioned.
Keep saying that to yourself during all eight years of an Obama presidency.
Every morning.
I can’t reward any political party or politician with my vote due to their continued poor behavior. I will vote for and support a conservative candidate, but any of the other “Hobson’s Choices” on the ballot will get a “none of the above” write in on my ballot in November. I just can’t bring myself to vote for the lesser of two evils every again.
Snark is no substitute for thinking Longbow. I know it passes for it on the internet, but lets look at the real world.
Altura – stand up and say no. Go ahead. Let Obama win.
See how far THAT gets you.
Good luck with a bench full of Ruth Bader Ginsbergs in trying to keep your home against Kelo, your speech against a revived fairness doctrine, your guns against a reversal of the DC case, terrorists set free on habeas hearings, the Dept of Wildlife getting veto on all things due to ecological claptrap about polar bears, etc.
Good luck seeing the US go into full retreat in the war on Islamofascism, losing the ability for NSA to monitor communications, losing the ability to hold illegal combatants without giving the full access to US courts, etc.
Good luck getting treatment after Obama socializes the US medical system, good luck earning a living as Obama creates the largest tax increase in the history of the US, good luck affording anything when Obama blocks free trade and causes tarriff wars, good luck trying to live cheaply when the lefties get to pillory and destroy Walmart, good luck stopping them when they move to nationalize oil companies…
Which candidate do you believe could be changed on things toward your point of view – Obama or McCain? Which one could be actually be bothered to listen?
And to be perfectly morbid, which one is likely to only serve a single term (due to age/health)?
You have yet to present how doing nothing to slow leftism is better than doing what you can to slow leftism.
Part of growing up is realizing that you do not get perfection, you don’t get what you want just because you want it, and sometimes you are faced with some very crappy choices. The thing is, you can usually make-do while you make things better. And thats what adults do.
Grow Up!
If the Army and combat taught me anything, its that sometimes life sucks, and you just go do what you have to do so that you and your unit can accomplish the mission, even if you have taken losses. Do your best to prevent the losses, but life doesn’t always turn out that way.
This is one of those instances – things stink, and we will not get through it without (political) losses, but to do nothing guarantees the absolute worst results, a defeat across the board with nothing left to check the enemy in his onslaught.
The consequences of the surrender you advocate will require far more blood and sweat and time to fix.
Its Idiocy to expect things to get better if you don’t go and fight with what you have. Surrendering is not an option.
Fight!
Fight against ALL politicians as hard as you can on border security, amnesty, global warming and big government. That includes McCain, and the RINOS in congress, as well as Democrats.
But back the politicians when they are right – like the war on IslamoFascism, or judges. Including McCain, and sometimes even some Dems, notably Leiberman.
And in the end, fight the one who is wrong on nearly everything, Barak Hussein Obama, by voting McCain.
Stop preaching surrender, and refusing to fight.
Consider it a preventative vote against, not an endorsing vote for.
Ordinary Coloradan said:
At least we can agree on that.
And if I vote for McVain, exactly how is that not an endorsing vote for?
You tell me I MUST vote for death, it’s the grownup thing to do, either death by hanging or death by drowning – I choose neither. You can characterize it however you want. I respect your right to vote for the lesser of two evils.
You can even call my stance snark, but that doesn’t make it so – I’m not calling you unprincipled because you have decided to support an evil, ever-leftward drift.
Choose between death or Cake.
If only the question was that easy.
And by the way, which of you has done the grass roots work needed to change the GOP?
How much time have you put in to push the party back to the right? Have you stood for local office? Or helped push the right people to do so? Have you gotten involved in the state and local primaries? Have you gotten others like yourself together to get your (conservative) voices heard?
There is strength in numbers. As the founding fathers said, We must all hang together or we shall certainly hang separately.
Have you kept trying even after you fail, like Goldwater and Reagan did?
Most of you “i’m not voting” seem to be typical arm-chair quarterbacks.
You advocate surrender, you run away, you leave to be hanged separately, by yourselves.
You are too cowardly to fight when the odds are against you, you just give up and go home.
If you had any guts, you’d stand and fight for your views, instead of abandoning the battlefield.
There are some of us who DO fight, and will continue to do so, to rebuild the GOP from the bottom up. We will force the right kind of change on the arrogant Country Club types at the top, and topple them. Just look at Utah and how they tossed an open borders type out, from the grass roots, for an example of how it can be done.
But it requires that you fight – and not give up or walk away, or “withhold your vote”.
So how many of you can really say you’ve done all you can before you walk away defeated and start taking the coward’s way out, “I’m not voting”
Hmm?
Yes I’m angry – angry that alleged conservatives here end up being a big collection of whining babies, wimps and gutless types, instead of the fighters that the conservative movement needs.
Instead of fighting, you’d rather quit, give the GOP to the country club, destroy conservatism in the nation. And thereby give the nation to the liberals.
Had Ronald Reagan take your attitude, he’d have quit when losing the primary to Ford in 76. Goldwater would have quit after being defeated in 64.
But neither of them quit – nor did they leave the GOP and refuse to vote.
Fight hard and move the GOP to where it needs to be. Show that you have the guts.
Or sit at home and pout.
You choose. Are you a fighter or is whining on a blog about not voting for McCain all you can do?
Every day I stand in front of a mirror, staring at my eyes and swinging a shiny object on a chain. I say over and over – I WILL vote for McCain… I WILL vote for McCain… I MUST vote for McCain…
I figure if I do this enough between now and November I can convince myself to vote for him because I think a hypnotic state will be necessary to pull that lever.
I think McCain made it pretty clear back in 2000 what he thinks of conservatives and evangelical Christians. But he’s also convinced we have NO place left to go. It’s either his way or the highway. He might get fooled on all that.
Longbow you just don’t get it. By not opposing evil, you are doing far more to promote the worst than you are to prevent it.
That makes you DEAD WRONG.
Its YOU who are voting for death by refusing to fight, to vote against the worst, and by doing so allowing it.
To use an extreme analogy, instead of going with Chemo, you are just giving up and sitting at home, waiting to die.
(Godwins law not withstanding)
You are saying between Hitler and Stalin, you’d prefer to DO NOTHING, and let Hitler win because to fight him means helping Stalin.
You are a fool if you believe yours is not a morally craven act, and is not promoting the worst evil by failing to oppose it with the best means available to you, as faulty as those means may be.
It’s what this web site is unfortunately becoming.
Good luck – with many of you too foolish to decide or too gutless to fight, no wonder Conservatism is failing.
Lunch over, back to work.
Ordinary Coloradan, your long rant calling people wimps, cowards, pouters, saying they have no guts but they whine and advocate surrender because they don’t agree with you, is sure going to convince me!
You have absolutely NO idea or knowledge of what any of us has done or not done.
What I want to know is how this guy won election after election in Arizona. Is anyone here from AZ? Can you tell me what’s going on?
From where the rest of us are standing, John McCain couldn’t win a one-man race. He’s as cuddly as Bob Dole, with only half the charisma…
Ordinary Coloradan, you are good at calling names – but I notice neither you nor any other has explained how we get back to conservatism by voting ever-leftward.
LOL.
He just won the republican primary. from where “the rest of you” are standing, you are delusional.
It sucks. Don’t make it worse.
By not voting for McCain, and standing by and doing nothing as millions of democrats vote for Obama, how is this – exactly, how … is this supposed to be getting conservatism back in America?
I ask you the same: Voting for McCain – how is this – exactly, how … is this supposed to be getting conservatism back in America?
You get conservatism back in America by voting for Conservatives. In the Republican primaries. If the choice is a crappy, flawed candidate as McCain is, or Barack Obama, then the choice should be clear. But it seems, sadly, that the majority of the people here can’t see this, or actually want Obama to be the next president so – by magic – we can have a more conservative president next time.
Its not all gloom and doom. You guys need to get to work in the grass roots and change the GOP.
Here is what the Orange County GOP is doing:
THAT is what I am talking about. Push hard NOW.
Force McCain and the GOP over to the correct side.
Longbow it is this easy:
You vote to SLOW the leftward roll of the nation by voting McCain (as opposed to accelerating it with Obama).
You ALSO work hard to push the GOP back to where it should be and back into power based on conservative principles of small government, originalist judges, an open and active economy, secure borders and a strong defense- like the GOP in Orange county is doing.
You do BOTH. Either without the other is going to fail.
As to the name calling, its not merely pejoritive if its factual. And your advocated in-actions and lack of reasoning you present here stand you in pretty bad light, as either a coward or a fool.
What you dont seem to understand is:
Liberals don’t play by the same rules we conservatives do – silence is consent as far as they are concerned.
This is as simply as I can put it for you in an analogy:
It is like fighting a wildfire, sometimes all you can do is slow the advance of the flames while you prepare the firebreaks and counterfires. And you have to do both – man the fire line, *AND* plan and build the firebreaks and counterfires. It takes a lot of work. hard work. And you have to do both.
But no matter how hard the work, its certainly a lot better and less damaging to do that work, than letting it all burn uncontrollably.
You dont give up, walk away and let it burn.
I’ve simplified it as much as I can – if you’re too stubborn to understand it, then lets simply agree to disagree – but lets also agree that you not trumpet yourself as being patriotic, nor conservative, when you are unwilling to fight for either of those things actively. Sitting on your hands qualifies you as a nothing.
Need I remind you of Burke’s maxim about men of good will doing nothing?
Even better, Teddy Roosevelt.
What I’m saying is … Get in the Arena, and fight has hard as you can with what you have, even as flawed a tool as McCain (pun intended), and some of the GOP leadership.
Why? Because this fight is worth it.
Bottom line:
Your passivity is all the left needs in order to win.
Do you plan on giving it to them?
Do you?
Think long and hard about it.
Ordinary Coloradan, I am neither a coward nor a fool, but your name-calling shows you for what you are.
I know you would like to be able to dictate to people how they must vote. Sorry, it ain’t gonna happen, no amount of your name-calling can make it so.
Fortunately my non-coward and non-fool ancestors didn’t accept the “lesser of two evils” principle. They were not willing to accept the “Vote for my guy, he’s not as bad as the other guy” argument. They were not willing to have someone shoved down their throat and be forced to swallow. That’s why we live free today and not as slaves of any government – not yet, at least.
So people are supposed to vote for McCain because he’s not as bad as Obama.No thanks .I’ve talked it over with family and several friends and we’ll vote down ballot.If McCain wants our contributions and votes he can quit pandering to the illegal alien lobby.McCain is currently getting just 20 some percent of the Hispanic vote so why not have a solid border security plan and push it instead of waffling on the subject all the time and meeting behind closed doors with Hispanic groups telling them one thing and telling other townhall audiences something else..He then could get most of the border security folks on board as well as conservative democrats.
We’re Catholic but stopped donations to the church when the church began lobbying congress the last two years for amnesty for illegal aliens in order to increase their membership.
Unless something big happens or a scandel Obama is going to beat McCain this Fall bank on it.
Evil is evil. I will agree that McCain is not as evil as Obama – yet. And your premise is just incorrect – not voting for McCain does not equal passivity.
But even before being elected McCain wants to take away my First Amendment rights, witness McCain-Feingold. McCain wants to give away my country to any who can get here, even (or especially) illegally, witness McCain-Kennedy. McCain thinks there is such a thing as “obscene profits” and he would set himself up as the judge of that. McCain is a whole-hearted believer in Man-caused Global Warming and would make us all toe whatever lines he decides need to be drawn to “fix” it. McCain called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth “dishonest and dishonorable”. There is more that shows his guiding principles are not in the Constitution but only in his “maverick” self.
McCain is just another believer in more and bigger government to fix “problems”. He is not a champion of individual freedom and limited government as set forth in our Constitution.
You have every right to vote for gradual strangulation instead of outright hanging. But let’s stop with the name-calling.
You think things will be better with McCain in office – I simply do not agree, his track record as a Senator shows that there will be but little difference. He will have even more power to force Republicans to vote his way, which way as often as not is towards the left.
Boy, this blog REALLY wants to see an Obama presidency.
OK thanks longbow for demonstrating that you are incapable of reason, incapable of understanding the importance of action in the face of evil.
Glad there are few like you and more like me – people who volunteer and serve the nation in the military and after we get out as well. People who will fight with all we have to try to fix things rather than petulantly posing on the internet.
Your ancestors, assuming they were not lazy useless slugs like you in the face of a challenge, would be ashamed.
People like you that got McCain this nomination – sit back and do nothing. let someone else do all the work.
People like you need to stay the heck out of our way while we try to fix the mess YOU are creating by sitting on your idiotic butt, refusing to act against evil.
And I do note that YOU have not been involved in working to solve the problems, otherwise you’d have claimed such work by now.
All in all thanks for proving by your own words, beyond a doubt, that you ARE a coward (you see evil, recognize it as such, and even after al lthat you REFUSE to fight it), and an idiot to boot (who ignores the past, and somehow believes that inaction in the face of evil is a viable course), who would sit on his hands while the nation is put at risk.
By your allowing evil to win by giving it your tacit consent (and YES that’s what they will perceive it as), YOU are the ones we now will know to blame when the Obama disaster strikes the nation.
It must be a sad small world you live in that you beleive that doing nothing at all is a moral and adequate response to a threat to freedom.
And if this is how many of you view things, then I’ll stop casting pearl before swine, buck up like we did in the Army, and go and fight despite having NO respect for the cowards that refuse to support us in the fight, who sit on their hands instead of acting, who are too cowardly and craven to fight for whats right.
You know you really are going to owe a LOT to your betters – those who didn’t give up, those who fight.
But don’t worry – the bill will never come due to you – it never does to cowards of your sort. We who continue to fight for whats right will have already paid it for you.
And by the way longbow you are dead wrong
So you really are so deluded as to believe an Obama presidency would be better?
Thank you for demonstrating beyond all doubt that you are truly a fool. It isn’t “namecalling” if its true, and you just provided proof there beyond doubt that you are unreasonable and foolish, as the cittion shows you to be completely irrationally by claiming McCain to be no better than Obama.
Thanks – I now know to ignore you as you have placed you self beyond reach of reason – you’re just angry and frustrated and lashing out emotionally.
Like a Kos Kid.
Goodbye.
Thanks, Ordinary Coloradan, for showing what kind of a person you are. Just can’t stop with the name-calling, can you?
I’m not the kind of person who feels it necessary to trumpet my credentials on the street corner as you apparently do. However since you make the accusation even though you know absolutely nothing about me, as it turns out I have served my country, US Army Infantry, Oct 1966 – Oct 1969. And I have been and continue to be involved in political campaigns, both as an active volunteer at the local level and as a donor in major races.
No one has said they will do nothing, that’s what you have inferred incorrectly.
My vote is not yours to command. Your insistence that anyone who doesn’t vote like YOU want them to, shows you for the kind of person you are. Perhaps you just can’t handle freedom in our Republic?
I love this site. I loved reading Michelle’s columns over the years and despise the people who lie about her on the liberal blogs and in the media.
It is really depressing to see this site sink to a level of trashing McCain on legitimate issues that his is so far off base from what myself and most other conservative people believe in. I really can not fathom the force here that is on display of either deception, or the abject stupidity of the commenters who – at this point in time after the republican primaries, want to become unhinged in regard to McCain.
For years I spent time on a website that had both liberals and conservatives, and I would never forgive the idiots with the ‘Bush is not my president’ mentality about the president. I do not want to do this myself if Obama is the next president. He will be the president of America, not just liberals if he is elected. Or – at least he should be. I have no confidence that he will be as bi-partisan as McCain seemingly wants to be.
And what I am witnessing on this site, is a group of people that have the same mental illness to mischaracterize McCain into something that he is not. For these people, I can see the same ‘McCain is not my republican candidate’ idiotic behavior that I used to think that only the left owned. The republican primaries are over. And it is now down to two people. Obama or McCain.
I am sure hopeful that this site will return to normal after the election, with either a McCain or Obama presidency. I sure as hell detest the anti-McCain direction this site and most of the people here are exhibiting.
When you do and say things that are intended to make people not vote for McCain, allow Obama to win because his voters are going to support him, then you are supporting out political enemies. And you are acting in a behavior that should be what the left does. Not us. This shouldnt be us. We are supposed to be better than this.
First a town hall meeting with La Raza, then the New Black Panthers, and then the Klan.
See? This is the unhinged behavior I am talking about.
I WILL vote for McAmnesty. I spent a lot of time working to defeat his shamnesty bill, and I know he will just bring it back, but the Obamessiah will be even worse.
I am pretty sure that McAmnesty doesn’t have a chance, and I HATE him, but we conservatives are just going to have to get drunk, hold our nose, squint, vote, wash our hands, then drink some more, wakeup with a hanover not able to belive the foolish thing we did, and then wait and see…
I used to. Something has happened though, it has become divorced from reason. McCain a “liberal”? “Traitor”? “I am pretty sure that McAmnesty doesn’t have a chance, and I HATE him”… This kind of vitriol is not reflective of reality. This has become something of an echo-chamber and the reverberations are just out there…
Especially when compared to the only other viable choice.
Yes, that is the way it works in a democracy, thank you. Otherwise you have one side working for the worst so they can pin it on the other side. (see Harry Reid, John Murtha, etc) What country can survive and prosper if half the population is rooting for calamity in order to pin it on the other half?
Yes, yes, yes…
Something else we shouldn’t be? People who see what we want to see and ignore the obvious if doesn’t bring them instant gratification. That too is supposedly what the left does and that too is something that we are supposedly better then.
You said it best wise_man:
“If, however, Obama is elected by a very narrow margin, I will blame every holier-than-thou, so-called conservative who had the elitist attitude of “my conscience is clear” that allow it to happen.”
The problem is that capitulation in the war against the islamist monsters that want us destroyed isn’t worth being able to say “I told you so”.
OOPs.. Apparently “Vince” was responsible for the above quote. (now that I googled it) Sounds like something from a wise_man though.
As I see it – Yes John McCain stinks! He is the worst possible candidate that we could have. Juan Hernandez only adds to the problem. However, he is not the only problem with McCain. However which would you prefer McCain or Obama? In reality, those are the two choices. Yes, there are others on the ticket but are they really electable – the answer is NO! Now you have to make a decision are you part of the problem or part of the solution? If we all vote against McCain and Obama wins – he will have his 4 years (Once he shreds the constitution and wreaks havoc on the economy, a we have a few moer terrorist attacks – much like Jimmy Carter) I think the GOP will wise up and get a viable candidate pleasing to conservatives – but do we want to go through Hell again. I remember Jimmy Carter well.
You do not gain influence by losing elections. The idea that you just floated came out of a democrat hired PR firm and was designed to keep so called “conservative” republicans (There is nothing conservative about helping to elect Obama) at home on election day.
And having seen the last terrorist attacks let me just say that I have had my lesson and I intend to vote for anyone who hasn’t forgotten we are at war with the islamists. Like Obama has. Like may of the people posting here have.
I’ll still hold my nose and vote for him, just because I don’t know if this country would still exist after four years of Obama. Especially if the Dems keep Congress. And a bunch of Obama picks on the SCOTUS? The gift that keeps on giving. The second amendment would have been repealed if we had Gore or Kerry picking replacements for O’Connor and Rehnquist.
wise_man, please stop with the “why can’t we all just get along?” business. Conservatives have a long history of respecting the office of the president, regardless of it’s inhabitant. Conservatives were signing up for military service during the Carter and Clinton administrations. How many liberals did so during the Bush administration? Let us share our frustrations about a candidate that’s wholly unworthy of the Republican nomination before we have no choice but to prevent the scourge of socialism from taking over our country.
Oh, and I still think Hernandez looks like Alex Baldwin.
I SURE AGREE WITH THOSE COMMENTS BILL. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! McAmnesty is a horrible, horrible, horrible conservative choice.. but, “my friends” I shall hold my nose and vote for the little old jerk, and hope that his conwservative VP choice has a chance to undo everything he does.
You are missing the point about Hernandez and his ilk – the only “nation” is AZTLAN and the only issue of importance is advancing the “Raza”. Welcome to the post-national reality we are facing…
Boy, you McCainaanites love your strawmen and other logical fallacies.
Does McCain know how much his popularity would go up if he would just throw Juan Hernandez under the bus (several times)?
Well… he will be outreaching to conservatives when it is September and the illegals aren’t voting for him (as they are doing now)……
On July 7th, 2008 at 10:25 pm, Rob said:
Eeer..Actually I was mocking those comments Rob because they are not reflective of anything that could be called “reality”. McCain IS actually a conservative with a lifetime conservative rating of 82%. He is NOT a traitor in that he is a highly decorated veteran who underwent 5 and a half years of hell because of his loyalty to the USA. “Hate” is an emotion that shouldn’t be applied to this man and if it is I suspect that the people who are doing it are doing it for reasons that have more to do with themselves then with him.
Please don’t let me dissuade you from voting for him even if you think he is a jerk. As someone who desperately wants to keep Obama out because I knew people who were incinerated at their desks because the people who Obama wants to appease hate us with a passion, Ill take the nose holding vote. I hope you are pleasantly surprised. I suspect that you will be of he gets in.
Thanks for your service in Vietnam – you guys got a raw deal.
FYI, GW1 (2ACR with a then Captain JR McMaster, now BG Mcmaster), Haiti, Afghanistan (and Uzebkistan), and Balad Iraq. 19D originally, 96B later. Contractor the last time.
Maybe you ought to remember your hisory and help ensire that this war isn’t won by the soldiers and lost by the politicians again.
Now you have even less excuses as an infantryman. Of all people you should know better than let Obama win by sitting on your 4th point of contact.
Did being an infantry soldier teach you to sit and do nothing in the face of a threat? Nope – “dont just sit there, do something” was invented in the infantry.
Wake up. Open your eyes, and realize your hatred of McCain is blinding you to the consequences of your inaction.
And no I’m not forcing your vote – I trying to wake you up, like I would a recruit who keeps doign the same stipd wrong thing time after time. There are nearly irreversible consequences at stake this election, wiht the most leftist candiodate ever to stand for election by the Dems, consequences you seem to be completely disregarding.
Do you deny that?
And as I said, its not namecalling when its true. Your actions, and failure to act to oppose the greater evil paint you as such. You and every conservative knows Obama is much more harmful than McCain, especially on judges and the war.
Yet you refuse to act. That spells cowardice or deliberate stupidity on your part.
That’s your choice as to which label you use – deeds not words, my brother vet. You know that – deeds not words.
Yet you supply nothing but words, and refuse to commit to any deeds.
Man up – do the right thing. Or at least face the question like a man:
Answer the question and stop dodging longbow:
Your passivity is all the left needs in order to win.
Do you plan on giving it to them?
Do you?
Actually in #88 I really didn’t make my point well. I will be voting for McCain. I can’t stand him and think that he is the worst possible nominee for our party, but which would you rather have. McCain or Obama?
I’ve said this before–I’m a longtime reader of this blog, and I greatly admire Michelle for all her outstanding reporting, but I knew this was coming: a freakout because McCain went to Mexico.
I’m sorry it just looks silly to me to complain that McCain went to Mexico on July 3rd (what is the permitted buffer between a visit to Mexico and July 4th? I was there in October. Is that ok?).
Also not a big deal to me was visiting the Basilica. I’ve always wanted to do that.
The reason Mexican politicians don’t do that is because the government and the church have struggled for years, and at times the government has outlawed various practices like worshipping in public, or taking monastic vows. Their government is just more secular than ours is.
However, I see nothing wrong with an American politician receiving a blessing there, unless you’re an atheist. The Mexican Virgen of
Guadalupe is just as good as the American version as far as I know.
Do you think President Bush shouldn’t have visited the Vatican?
And you need not answer me. I’ll not be coming back on this thread. Plus its not me that you need to answer to.
Your conscience, if you have one, will force you to answer to yourself, sooner or later.
After the Obama win due to you and others sitting it out, can you bear to look in the mirror and take responsibility for the mess he will create?
Will you be like the people in NY who saw the rape of Kitty Genovese and did nothing?
Or will you continue to delude yourself and say “not my fault”?
Remember you took an oath to uphold and defend — and like my oath, it had NO expiration date.
Are you upholding your oath by doing nothing and thus guaranteeing the worse of two alternatives?
So you you tacitly give the liberals your consent by your inaction (And they will consider it as such)?
Or do you act, even if it means voting for McCain and then having to work hard against him on some things after he is elected?
Good night – sleep well if you can. I know I will be able to, since unlike you, I *am* doing something to defeat Obama, and to fight for the changes we will need to force on McCain.
As I said, your conscience, if you have one, will force you to answer to yourself, sooner or later. And this is the question you ultimately face:
Your passivity is all the left needs in order to win.
Do you plan on giving it to them?
Your answer should tell you a lot about yourself.