More nosy doctors who don’t like guns
I’ve noted the phenomenon of Big Nanny pediatricians quizzing parents about whether they own guns before.
The AMA, of course, is notoriously filled with gun-grabbing activists.
Read Shawn shares another example via the Raleigh News and Observer. He e-mails: “No longer satisfied with just making sure the kids are in good health, the doctors now see fit to pry into your personal life to see if you have guns in the home.”
Parents are likely to encounter a different type of question during their children’s health visits at Duke University Health System’s pediatric clinics these days: Do you need a gun lock?
As part of a joint effort by Durham County and Duke, pediatricians are talking to parents not only about the safety of guns in families’ homes but also about safeguards in places where children visit.“It involves not only asking, ‘Do you have a gun in the house where the child lives?’, but also, ‘What about family members and friends?’ and ‘What about other households where the children may visit or stay during the weekend?’” said Dr. Sara Robert a Duke pediatrician and professor.
If the campaign were limited to merely asking and advising parents about gun safety, that would be one thing.
But the anti-gun doctors’ lobby is much more ambitious. And they make no bones about it.
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Meanwhile: There will be a 2nd Amendment rally in Chicago. Don’t tell your pediatrician if you plan on attending…
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Here’s an antidote to the anti-gun M.D.’s.
Reader C.M. e-mails: “I have also been asked on a form at my children’s doctor if we have guns in the house, I leave it blank (which probably tells them that I do). If safety is their only concern then why don’t they ask if people have pools in their back yards? We are often told that people are more likely to be shot when there are guns in the house but how often do we hear that there are more likely to be drownings when there is a pool in the back yard? Just wondering.”
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Shouldn’t they be asking if you have an OBGYN in the home?
I will assume their intentions are honest but shouldn’t patients and patients’ parents be allowed to ask if the doctor has ever been sued, by whom, the reason for the lawsuit and the result?
Patients should know if doctors are safe for them.
The same Durham County that recklessly ruined the lives of 3 boys for doing absolutely nothing wrong?
Durham County ??
I guess the proper response would be, “no, but I do have a lacrosse stick & I know how to use it”.
If they ask me, I will ask them where they graduated in their class. After a long career in law enforcement, I know how to keep my kids safe from guns. I worry more about the rattlesnakes and scorpions they have to contend with and even more with the liberals who stick their nose into my business.
I have to disagree. It’s none of the doctor’s business whether you have a gun in your home, especialy a pediatrician. One misunderstood response or off-hand joke and you could wind up with your kids in the hands of DHS.
I wonder, if they are teaching this nonsense in medical school instead of duh medicine, could an attorney such as our favorite silk pony use that fact to sue not only the doctor for malpractice but also the medical school.
The proper response:
“Why, are you planning on robbing my parents house?”
Yeah. I was trying to be fair.
I visted with my family dr today about this very thig and he was like whatever. He is a member of the local gun club and shooting range. Not to mention he has a small range on his farm and he also hunts. He knows I carry EVERYWHERE I GO and it has never been a problem….. The JOY of living in SMALL TOWN in the US OF A!!!!
The leftist loonies are relentless, but so are we conservatives. Bring it on AMA, you and your “pseudoscientific articles” are no match for the truth.
I know you were! Again, like a lot of issues, it’s that slippery slope problem we see so often. They may have the best of intentions, but where does it stop?
How many children a year are killed or maimed in car accidents? Swimming pools? Bath tubs?
Neither guns nor cars are a public health issue. Best they stick to the practice of medicine. Perhaps if they focused on practicing medicine, the number of accidental deaths caused by doctors would be less than the number of accidental deaths caused by firearms.
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/04/lets-hear-it-for-doctor-control.html
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/12/29/155404.shtml
While these figures are dismissed as urban legend by the left, they are relatively close to the actual numbers tracked by various agencies.
Perhaps doctors need to be banned by places like the District of Columbia on a public policy basis. There is no Constitutional right to practice medicine, but there is a right to keep and bear arms.
They were teaching this carp when I had my PEDS class five years ago. Not sure where it is coming from. My guess would be liberals in accreditation like JACHO and other intrusive government agencies are pushing this. I know from doing consulting work for a large HMO they would follow whatever standard the government would adopt.
Doctors (and anecdotally nurses) have high rates of gun ownership as discussed on the DRGO as linked above.
What might be fun is when asked the question whip out a pistol and say “You mean like this one?”
I would suppose one good way to counter this would be for the parents to grill the
pediatricians; ask them a lot of questions to see where things may lie. MD’s enjoy too much sacrosanctity anyway.
Doctors kill more people every year through malpractice and malfeasance than Ted Kennedy’s car or my firearms.
They can either mind their own damned business do without mine!
I think it is more likely a child would be injured by poison or prescription drugs found in most houses than by firearms.
I won’t contest that one
Oh and thanks for the link Michelle to the DRGO.
This is a violation of the patient/doctor boundary, and could open up a pandora’s box of lawsuits. Being in the medical field myself, such questions are inappropiate and a patient/family have the perfect right to refuse such questions, or any question not related to a medical condition or the immediate safety of a patient. I, for one, would never serve as a “spy” for any agency or political base. Patients have too much trust in me and I must honor that trust.
Anyone else notice that their definition of “children” apparently includes 18 and 19-year-olds?
[quote]4223 children under age 20 died. . .[/quote]
Since most are homicides, I’m going to going out on a limb, and guess that (gee, this is a hard one) most of the guns used in these murders were not legally aquired by the shooters.
What happens is this sort of thing is required by the accreditation agency. If when audited the information is not there the provider gets marked down. Get marked down enough one must either close the office or play the game and let the government and insurance companies dictate how one practices medicine. This is an example of why we do not want Universal Healthcare. The socialists in government are using this as back door to do just that.
My response would be “Where does the AMA stand on how many children are maimed and killed by automobiles every year? Or how about riding the school bus? How about children killed by medical staff error? The world is a dangerous place and we can’t protect our children from every liberal conceived threat. All we can do is try to protect them and teach them to protect themselves.”
I’m not privy to the stats, but I’m guessing we lose more children to hospital staff infections than guns every year. And don’t get me started on toys made in China, and arugula hand picked in Mexico.
Personally my children and now my grandchildren learn gun safety from an early age (about 3) starting with my old Daisy so that by the time they are around 6 (I say “around 6″ because some are ready sooner than others and it’s up to Grampa to decide) they are shooting a .22 and hunting by the time they are 11.
If we had age appropriate (non-liberal) gun safety classes in school starting with kindergarten, I’d dare say that we would see a sharp drop in children/gun accidents.
I would just let the doc know that not only do I have guns at home, I have one under my shirt right now, any other questions?
Your numbers are wrong Jim. According to the National Safety Council the total number of accidental deaths in 2006 was 120,000. Your number 120,000 does not refer to accidental deaths caused by physician.
If you look at the odds the NSC post based on 2004 data:
- 19,258 deaths by firearms
- 2,883 deaths by medical/surgical complications
By those numbers, guns kill 8 times the number of people than doctors.
The conceit that says that everything is a health issue, or a legal issue, or a psychological issue, or a religious issue, or an architecture issue (you get my point insert any narrow professional specialization in here) is a sign of weakening standards of professionalism. Real professionals focus on their craft and use the respect they earn to help and offer analogies of their experience and wisdom, not to bully and compel.
In places where there is a healthy gun culture doctors may own themselves. They would certainly know how to communicate their concerns in a dignified manner that respects the privacy of their patients. BTW, I don’t own a weapon but I respect those who choose to.
That is going too far IMHO. Doctors have no need to know things like that. If my child has arsenic poisoning, he would be within proper bounds to ask me if I have a box of it in the house. But a gun, give me a break.
I like the answer, “Why, are you planning to rob us?”
This is a bit OT, but I should not be forced to break the law to protect myself and those I love.
Come on Illinois, concealed carry needs to become law. All those kids in college might still be alive if someone in the room had had a gun. On one of the links from Michelle, they said A Second Amendment Rally is going to be held in Chicago. I’d be afraid to go to Chicago without a GUN.
I love liberals, they come up with all kinds of fun stats. I’ll even use the lovely site you linked against you with a slightly different topic. LET US BAN CARS!
NSC data from 2006 on unintentional injuries (ie accidental deaths):
Hmm so if we exlude criminal acts such as murder with a firearm (because we all know criminals follow guns laws, I mean just look at D.C. since the gun ban
)and look at just the 80 million law abiding gun owners who accidentally killed someone according to the NSC we get that it is 74.5 times more likely to die in an unintended car accident than an unintended firearms accident.
Woo, so when are you trading in your car for a bicycle TOS?
I just didn’t buy the numbers that Jim M. claimed. As he wrote:
I followed the links he provided and found no link to the actual source of the data. As I noted, the number he cited, 120,000, is the total of all accidental deaths not just those caused by doctors. So it appears that he and the links he supplied are the ones creating an “urban legend”.
Sorry if I offended you by questioning suspect data that you soo naively took at face value (see you post #18)
So that means your giving up your car? Sweet! You’re doing the planet and your fellow man a favor. Saving the ozone and your fellow human beings at the same time. You rock!
TOS, damn you for bringing facts into a discussion!
Do pediatricians ask if parents keep alcohol or drugs in the house? Is their medicine cabinet secure? All household cleaners properly stored?
I actually don’t have a problem with this question. Our pediatrician is excellent and I’m sure he’s required to ask. I like that he’s willing to take the time to discuss just about anything concerning the kids and he’s asked about more than guns in the home. If I recall correctly I think he’s asked about drugs and drinking and if the kids are even around relatives who are known to use recreational drugs. Standard stuff as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve yet to have one ask but I would have no problem with a parent asking us about guns in the home before their kids spend the night either. I’ve seen enough brain dead parents who need a force feeding of common sense. If you’ve got it already you’ve nothing to worry about.
Not really OT as having a gun handy can be the ultimate way to stay healthy in certain situations
Oh Kendra Kendra Kendra, I used to be as naive as you. You need to get a good case of paranoia going and start asking “why do you want to know?” I assure you, it is not for your own good.
Guns kill kids. Maybe the NRA wants to say “kids kill kids”. Either way, accidents happen. Pediatricians ask all kinds of questions that are intended to keep kids alive: are detergents and other poisons out of reach, are guns locked, are electrical outlets covered? It’s hard to imagine a well balanced person having a problem with this.
Facists require, demand that scientists, professionals and experts control the social dialog and define parameters that would normally be defined by common sense.
Who are YOU to disagree with ‘The Experts’.
Gee, this could almost be an Algore quote, eh?
lgm - I’m pretty sure that ‘people kill people’. Guns are still only tools. So ‘guns kill’, makes as much sense as hammers kill or ladders kill. It’s tools like you that kill through ignorance, especially when allowed a position of control.
“That’s not your concern Dr, please carry on with your exam,” is the answer I give.
Oh, except for the ER visit when a nurse asked. At that point, the answer was, “my son fell on a toy and came here to be stitched up. What in the name of God do guns in the home have to do with that? It’s none of your d@mn business whether I have guns in my house!”
Guns kill like spoons make people fat.
There are around 80 million guns in the USA and something like 40,000 gun deaths per year, (under 1000 are children with most of those involving an adult doing the shooting - not child curiosity). There are about 1 million physicians in the USA but over 80,000 malpractice deaths per year.
So your risk of being killed by a doctor is more than 160 times greater than being killed by a gun as I calculate it.
And math taught by lgm encourages students to become marxists.
Personally, I’d rather have a gun.
LGM, Guns save kids.
A year ago, up in Connecticut, a father was beaten half to death, his wife and his two daughters were raped and/or strangled and/or burnt to death. By two thugs armed with clubs. Had that family had ready access to a gun, especially ahandgun, they might still be a family.
For every example you can cite of someone being injured or killed “by a gun”, I can cite cases of people saved by guns, or of people who could have been saved, had they had a gun handy.
Why doesn’t the press report all these “saves”?
First, we gun owners don’t like to dance in blood. So for at least the last fifty years, after every crime the liberal/democrat/nanny-state crowd has rushed to the nearest mic to condemn guns, and to spew their delusions about the effect of gun laws before the blood is dry. We have respect for the injured and hesitate to stand on their wounds to make political points. That is changing. We have finally realized that we will lose the battle for self-defense rights unless we engage the gun ban crowd. So now you see the proactive approach: Gun-free zones kill. An armed citizen is a live citizen. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Second, in most cases the perps are not even wounded, let alone killed, so “no blood, no news”. The news outlets can’t report a multiple murder that never happened. Even if the perps are killed, the BSM has no interest in reporting individual success stories. They, like you, want us all dependent on some authority figure. If they can work some angle into a self-defense story that benefits their outlook, such as racial issues, then they report self-defense as a “vigilante” crime. Had that Connecticut family been able to defend themselves, it probably would have been a blotter report: “Unknown intruders fled at sight of armed homeowner.” Not news. Three lives saved.
Third, it is simply harder to see what might have been. It’s easy, foolishly easy, to say: “If there was no gun, then no shooting.” A little harder to say: “But maybe a knifing.” It takes a lot of thought to arrive at: “The balance between thugs, armed with intent and whatever weapons they can find or make, and peaceable citizens, unexpectedly confronted with attack, is best tilted toward the citizen when arms are readily available to the law-abiding.” Here we touch on the actual post we are discussing: These doctors aren’t just advising on proper gun handling, they are actively discouraging lawful gun ownership, thus aiding and abetting thugs like the ones I mentioned at the beginning of this
novelpost.You might want to look at http://www.nraila.org and hit the link for “Armed Citizen”…
And, BTW, when you take a slap at the NRA, you’re speaking to me. I am one of the 4 million dues-paying members of the NRA. And of course one of the 60+ million responsible, law-abiding American gun owners.
A very good, long time friend of mine from the law enforcement/2nd Amendment community authored an excellent response to this very subject a few years ago that I have posted on my website (not my blog) called the Malpractice Form that holds a physician accountable for sticking his uneducated nose into a patients business. In the form of a PDF file, I would be happy to email it to anyone who asks for it, or send it to Michelle for her to distribute.
Michelle, feel free to contact me if you’d like to see the form and/or help distribute it.
If they want to ask questions about dangerous environments for children, they ought to start looking at adult cohabitation:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2007/nov/18/mothers-boyfriend-too-often-an-abuser/
Hey Rodent, Glad of ya, keep up the good work. Long live the NRA. Too bad only 5 of the 9 justices can read. Good thing the rest of us can.
Ever have more than a little, firm, heart to heart with a Dr. who’s ego and politics went over the line? I have, not to mention I never allowed a Dr. to be alone with my child.
Hey Doc, will we’re being honest, got any good sinsemilla at home?
Hey how long you been out of rehab, this time?
Annoyed? None of my business?
Gee, glad you noticed.
TOS..
even by your numbers, the percentage is still skewed toward the doctors as being more dangerous..
Swmbo, thanks and back at ya’.
We got lucky with Heller. I would have liked a stronger decision, but clearly that was the most Kennedy would agree to. The dissents, though, were stunning. If we had lost, we’d have lost the whole Bill of Rights, not just the 2nd. (I paraphrase) “The founders never intended to limit the power of the federal government.”
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot? What happens to people in law school? (And in J-skool?)
Rodent, I posted back up on #26 my hope that Illinois will some day become a state that believes in the constitution. The NRA is getting ready to take on Chicago soon, I pray they are successful.
I would not be too hasty to hang onto the National Sfety Council as an unbiased source of information:
It appears that the NSC is yet another liberal agenda driven advocacy group. 2800 deaths from medical/surgical complications? If that was the real figure, the John Edwards’ of the world would be out of business.
If a doctor asked me if I had guns in the house, I’d tell him to try to break in some night and find out for himself.
Really, should we be asking them if they have “safe sex” or any communicable diseases before we sit down?
One ore observation after looking at the “statistics” set forth by the anti second amendment crowd.
The NSC numbers deal with accidents. Period. Car accidents, workplace accidents, etc. They do NOT include medical errors or malpractice.
Funny thing, but there seems to be little information out there regarding doctors screw ups. I wonder why?
A report done some years ago by the Institute of Medicine, estimated that medical erros caused 98,000 preventable deaths a year. A study by Healthgrades, a private hospital and physician rating organization, puts that number at over 190,000 deaths a year:
http://www.justice.org/pressroom/sreports/HG_Patient_Safety_Study_0704.pdf
When you want to question someone’s numbers, you just might want to make sure the figures you use to support your position are (A) relevant, and (B) factual.
One of my ex-lawyers, Julius Echeles, handled a case of a Polish immigrant who didn’t like the cancer treatment a doctor gave his wife, and so shot and killed him.
Then a John Grisham twist. Echeles allegedly (snicker) obtained two passports from the alleged killer, who had both a U.S. and Polish passport, and turned the U.S. passport in to the court. He then advised his client to flee the country with his Polish passport, extorting the remainder of his client’s life savings (on top of a $25,000 fee for the murder defense) in exchange for the passport he had confiscated. Good advice, and the Polish guy took it; but he got so pissed off thinking about his representation he wrote a letter to the Chicago Tribune several years later telling this story.
Not really germane to the original issue, but I thought it was an interesting anecdote.
I think part of the problem is that there aren’t any pro-gun statistics to compare the anti-gun statistics too. What I mean is that no one has any statistics on the number of people killed or injured in self-defense, or the number or murders foiled by someone who had a gun. So, we can look at the number of children under the age of 12 accidentally killed by guns in 2005 (59 per 100,000) and the number murdered (126 per 100,000), and we can see that entirely too many kids are being shot, and I think it makes sense for pediatricians to be concerned, as they should also be concerned about swimming pools, etc. There’s nothing to compare that to. Why are there no data comparing the murder rates of kids in households with to households without guns? No one has that data, which is weird. I mean, you would think that would look good for either pro- or anti-gun lobbyists, and one of them would bring it up. I don’t see it at the CDC’s or the NRA’s website. Does anyone know where one would find such a stat? If, on average, children are more likely to be shot unintentionally by a gun in the house than they are to be protected by that same gun, maybe the pediatricians are right to be concerned.
The Other Side .. if guns are so bad why do the politicians you support want armed bodyguards and won’t say no to that?
Screw statistics…for other than inanimate objects, they are highly speculative…which is why every election we have gobs of firms trying to figure out who will be the next President and only a few come close to the actual answer.
AS for the pediatricians, I’ve been asked such questions and have gotten in their face about the invasion of privacy…if you do this enough they will get the message…they just want to clock out and go home like the rest of us…
or to paraphrase Laura Ingraham…
Shut up, and …Golf!
I own 2 harleys and i am not telling you how many guns i own, but my question is … Am i an accident waiting to happen or am i a killing machine ?? sarc off
They asked my granddaughter in Mi. if there where guns around her home in school and she said yes. They tried to tell he how bad they where and that guns kill people and they should not be in the home. I was so proud of her she told the teacher that
I was so proud of her.
I would be too, she has more brains and common sense than her teacher.
I can’t wait until I have kids and I have to start having to deal with this nanny-state nonsense. Some ideas:
• Press the form up to the front of my pants and trace the outline of my concealed carry firearm.
• Ask to be excused, take the form to a local gun range, and put a round through the “yes” box.
• To the question “do you need a gun lock?” I’d answer (with a very serious face): “Are you saying my child is retarded!?”
Of course we are forgetting the millions killed by doctors yearly.
Irony: Doctors killing babies intentionally worried about children be killed by accident.
I am willing to bet obesity (from those burgers) are killing more children than accidental deaths by hand guns.
BAN THE CHEESEBURGERS
Oh, and lgm is an IDIOT. I never want to forget to add that.
Accidental shootings are horrible and very graphic and emotional. Pool drownings by comparison are generally not graphic and don’t carry the activist appeal that guns do. Many doctors in big cities with trauma units have an understandable revulsion to the regular flow of gang banger gun injuries too. Remember when the big fear years ago was kids getting locked in abandoned refrigerators? Is that on the form? This is about using kids as a tool for eliminating the 2nd amendment.
I don’t care if they believe in the Constitution. I just want them to obey it.
I can understand if a doctor wants to know if the kids are in a safe environment. It’s important. But they should’t limit their questions to just guns.
-Do your parents keep cleaning products locked up?
-Are there peanuts or other nuts that may cause alelrgies?
-Red Dye #40?
-Do you have bleach at your house? Your grandparents’ house?
-Do you wear your seatbelt?
-Do you keep potato chips at your house on a regular basis? Donuts? Any other food with Trans Fat?
-Do you have pets that may accidentally hurt you?
-Can you access your parent’s medication?
-Do you eat glue?
-Does your mother make you chew 20 times before swallowing?
-Do you use organic cotton sheets?
Are there any heavy objects in your house?
-Are sharp knives locked up? Scissors? Ropes?
I could obviously go on, but really- if we’re talking about doctors caring about the danger of children, shouldn’t they be asking all manner of safety related questions? Do they look both ways before they cross the street? (for the record, the liberals don’t, because it’s not their job to mind the cars, the cars should be minding the liberals. I have witnesed this first hand, people just walking out into traffic with their kids, making cars stop short of running them over.)
These days, these parents wrap their kids in bubble wrap and expect the world to watch out for them, rather than the other way around, teaching your child to watch out for the world. And it’s not the children’s fault they are the way they are. It’s bad parenting.
The fact that parents aren’t outraged about this, goes to further the point of bad parenting. If my doctor ever asked that of my kids, they would tell him, “Yes, and I know how to use the gun, too.”
I do believe I would change doctors yesterday. My cardiologist and I go hunting together so I guess he’s safe.
1) You’ll take my cheesburger and fries, Super Seized, from my cold greasy hands lad.
2)Yes he is.
As long as they are killing each other it is fine we me. It is the wounding and hospital care I object too. The majority of the problem here is with illegal alien gangs, so a fatal shooting is a twofer.
But I must say the only problem I have had with doctors is that one test they insist upon after I turned fifty. The WAYUP test. }:
North to Alaska, yes the rush is on.
Which is perfectly acceptable as far as revulsion goes. But these are legal, law abiding gun owners who just happen to discharge their firearms accidentally. The distinction here, i believe is obvious to us…not so much to the left though.
It’s interesting, but hardly surprising, to note that in the anti-gun physicians’ letter Michelle linked to above, there were at least 2 references to the now-discredited 1986 “study” by Kellerman regarding deaths caused by guns in the home. I’d say they need to get their facts straight, but it’s obvious that facts don’t enter into the picture here. For those not familiar with Kellerman’s “study” this link tears into it pretty well.
http://home.comcast.net/~dsmjd/tux/dsmjd/rkba/kellerman.htm
NSC’s data comes from the National Center for Health Statistics and U.S. Census Bureau. Is the government liberally biased as well? And I’m sure that the AAJ (the kings of frivolous lawsuits) which you linked to are far more unbiased.
Yes, that’s a real knee-slapper, especially given that I was refuting your claim that “Accidental deaths caused by physicians total 120,000 per year.” You know you could of just taken the data I provided and made the claim that you are more than 4 times more likely to be accidently killed by a doctor (2,883 in 2004) than accidently killed by a firearm (649 in 2004).
Also, please note that the figure 2,883 represents “Complications of medical and surgical care and sequelae”…sounds like malpractice to me. Your unbiased(?) AAJ study regards preventable deaths, which is far different than your original claim.
I did that! Now, maybe you should heed your own advice.
Should I, as a professional “computer guy,” be able to pry into these MDs’ private lives to check on how they are protecting their children from internet predators?
Imagine:
*Tell me about your security settings.
*Is your child allowed to use a computer behind closed doors in his/her room?
*Do you have your computer in a safe area where you can monitor your child’s online activity?
*What software do you use to filter dangerous content and websites?
*Do you view material of a questionable nature in your home, thus increasing the likelihood that your child will be exposed to it?
I’m just saying…
So prove me wrong.
My oldest is 13 and we’ve had the same pediatrician for both kids. That particular question was asked when my 13 year old was a toddler. No one has shown up at my house, no one has tried to tell me that I can’t own a gun or attempted to communicate with my kids about the dangers of our guns.
They ask that question of new parents who may not have the forethought to consider that little whatshisname is now walking and could get hold of something harmful that they never locked up prior to having kids in the house.
And does anyone have any proof that answering that question has had any negative results at all? Show me a case where it has and I’ll don my tin foil hat with the rest of you.
nothing to add, really, other than wanting to re-post this
Sounds like brainwashing children to believe liberal drivel about all guns being bad to me. Good thing in this case the little girl was far smarter than her teachers.
/hands you some tinfoil and a copy of Nancy Pelosi’s autographed picture (I stole the picture from TOS)
Kendra,
It’s how it starts.
first it’s a question in the form of ‘It’s for the children’.
then, it’s getting trigger locks on all the guns for, again, the ‘children’.
then, some study will come out about the number of guns in a household and that will be limited.
then calibers of guns or kinds of guns.
then, guns with magazines in it so only revolvers can be allowed..
then, only revolvers can be allowed but only if dis-assembled.
then it’s only a matter of time before all handguns have to be banned because little junior was still able to shoot his toe off with an ‘illegal’ gun despite all the ’safeguards’.
Look at the ban for the ‘Assault weapons ban’. All of those guns banned were perfectly legal. it was only a scary looking gun ban in effect. pistol grip, extended muzzle, ect.
the ‘banned’ guns never fired fully automatic. they gave the look and the feel of an M-16 or AK-47. but that was the extent of it. but still because of the LOOK of the ’scary weapon’ it was banned.
TOS,
Nice try at squirming. Of course, that’s about all you had left to work with.
My “original claim” was not my claim at all. I was clear in stating it was something I saw reported elsewhwere, and even provided the cite. When you tried to compare cattle to oranges with your NSC herring, I did some additional research on the subject (something you did not bother to do).
Interesting that you have not nor can attack the new data, so you instead try the old liberal tactic of attacking the messenger.
No sense in trying to talk sense into someone with no sense. I’ll let it go there, as engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent is not my cup of tea.
What a load of BS! You are the one that squirmed. Accept the fact that you proliferated bogus data and move on. Maybe if you would have acknowledged that error maybe we could have had a meaningful discussion.
lol…at least I arm myself with actually data and not perpetuate hearsay fallacy. nice try.
Do you have any proof that sticking your nose in someone else’s business is helpful? I know television doctors solve peoples personel problems while preforming heroic operations but that is televison.
This silliness that “it”, whatever “it” is is a public health issue is bull and nothing more than people sticking there noses into others lives. I would not answer that question to my auto mechanic and his actions can have just an immediate affect as a doctor.
These are the same doctors, and I doubt a majority, who like to have their ’special’ talk with our daughters when mommy and daddy leave the room. Not a chance. Stick to medicine and parents can do the parenting. And Kendra is now folding a tin foil hat although aluminum foil is cheaper.
Feel better?
Kendra, I could find x number of ways to Sunday to ask you valid medical information about you and your family and still be asking an inapprepriate question….
For example, “Who have you had sex with in the last week, month and year?”
“What kind of sex have you had?”
Those two questions are valid questions to ask a homosexual or a hussey who may pose a health risk to unassuming men, especially if they’ve just removed a benign growth from her cervix…or other interesting biopsy.
Now we aren’t supposed to ask such questions according to the homosexuals or husseys, but such questions plus application of appropriate penalties (like quarantine) would save lives..would they not?
But guess what? that obvious life-saving act would scowled at by queers and feminists big-time…
Owning a gun that is not misused is a safer bet for public health than letting people go by unchecked with their sexual predilections when they visit a doctor.
What privacy rights are good for the libs,husseys, illegals, and homosexuals are also good for me
Hurumph!
Kendra
Put on your tinfoil hat, please.
Exactly!
-Does your child use public transit in Baltimore?
-Does your child attend an urban public school?
-How many chapters of NAMBLA/ACLU are located within 100-mile radius of your home?
-Did you bring your child here in a
PiousPrius or a Suburban?-Does lgm teach at your child’s school?
I could go on…
This reminds me of what happened to my little brother’s kid.
A substitute teacher had her class for a month while the regular teacher gave birth & got settled.
This sub looked like a hippy-flowerchild-reject, and was all “harmonic-conversions are coming…”, (whatever the heck that meant…). At one the substitute teacher stood in front of the class, and started going around the room, calling on each of the nine yr olds, asking if their daddy’s had guns.
When she asked Amanda, (my niece), Amanda said “of course!”. This got a big laugh from the peanut gallery, but Teach cut Amanda’s answer off, speaking over het about how guns weren’t funny, “they kill children and innocent people”, (note that, the phrasing stayed with me when I heard it… I know its accurate, because Amanda has perfect pitch & a photographic memory for what she’s heard.). Teach then launched into a tirade about nobody should have guns, and she’d never let anyone with a gun near her!
After Teach ran down, Amanda politely asked where Teach lived. When Teach asked her why, she said: “I know Daddy wouldn’t want to offend you. He’ll need to know so if you call the police he can leave his sidearm at the station. Or, maybe they should just fill out the report on the phone?”
It got Amanda sent to the office. When the Principal found out why, the Superintendent took Teach’s name off the Substitute List.
Don’t think that would happen now.
I’m not folding that hat just quite yet.
Righteous indignation at being asked what one considers a personal question and an individual opinion by someone whose opinion is in no position to make a difference, and speculation on what it might lead to are not proof that the question is harmful. Where has the question affected anyone’s 2nd amendment rights?