MSN Money: What would happen if every illegal alien were thrown out?
It’s not actually that important a question that MSN asks, since they acknowledge it’s impossible logisitically and furthermore I don’t think anyone’s seriously calling for mass roundups and cattle cars headed to Nuevo Laredo.
We do want better enforcement, a physical barrier, and criminal sanctions with bite against employers to deter them from hiring illegal alien workers in the first place. And couple that with a policy of attrition through arrest and deportation–especially of felons and drunk drivers–and the problem will become more manageable. Meanwhile, we’ll need to increase our importation of legal labor (not necessarily from Mexico, but wherever the labor will come from) to offset the economic difficulties that an absence of dirt-cheap, illegal labor will create.*
So now that I’ve made that clear, here’s MSN’s hypothetical. I could dispute some of the particulars but it looks like they do a reasonable job of addressing both sides and laying out who the winners and losers would be.
Some of the losers would, of course, deserve to be losers, since they’re getting ahead by breaking the law. The problem is that they’re passing along their savings on labor to the rest of us, and the rest of us will have to pay more.
One thing they only hint at is the security issue.
And then there’s the neighborhood. Critics of lax immigration policies say that drug running, traffic accidents and crime would go down with the illegal immigrants gone. But The Immigration Policy Center, a Washington research group, argues that studies show that immigrants in general are less likely to commit crimes or to end up behind bars than native-born Americans. The debate goes on.
I think there’s a lot more to that story, including the vulnerability to terrorists as well as cross-border gang wars, assassinations, and home invasions.
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* I think Michelle agrees with me on most of these things, but just to clarify, she didn’t write this post and we may differ on some of the particulars or priorities.
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Um, see-dub? Have you met the posters on here?
Oh, I don’t know. Let’s try it and find out.
What this article fails to mention is the vast savings in the billions the country will have in healthcare, education, etc by getting rid of them!
They use more than they give back!
I’m with JSR. Let’s give it a whirl and see what the results are.
I’ll tell you what, if it isn’t better, we can just go back to the lax efforts we already have that haven’t improved anything. ‘kay?
Mookie–
Yeah, but I think even for most commenters here, they’ll be happy enough to see it accomplished by attrition.
xler8bmw–
I think it does hint at that on the second page, though as you indicate there’s more to be said.
30% of Federal prison inmates are illegal aliens. By percentage of the general population, illegal alieans are not even 5% of the US population. Per capita, illegals generate more crime than citizens. Simple google search turned up these stats from reasonably informed sites.
Thxs see dub I might have missed when I read it this morning
Mookie’s right. I’m all for “mass roundups”. And, in case you haven’t seen the commercial on television, diesel locomotives can move a ton of frieght 423 miles on a gallon of fuel. See? We can be environmentally-friendly, while we deport them.
You left out:
Throwing our border guards in jail.
I’m all for deporting as many as we can catch, not letting their children attend school in America, no health care other than trauma care and draconian sanctions against people who hire illegals.
We shouldn’t take any responsibility for fixing the problems in their home countries, either. They come here because their countries are crap without any opportunities; well they should stay home and fix it instead of running away and bringing their problems here.
I agree. Don’t do the like the administration and forget about Ramos and Compean.
100% of the drug running, traffic accidents(including deaths) and crimes committed by illegals would be eliminated if they were deported.
Soap, blame mandatory minimum sentencing for that. This type of sentencing is a disgrace that makes it possible for people to spend years behind bars when they may only deserve months (or less).
furthermore I don’t think anyone’s seriously calling for mass roundups and cattle cars headed to Nuevo Laredo.
What he said.
We don’t need mass roundups, all we need to do is enforce the laws on the books and use employment verification nation wide. After tough new laws were implemented in states illegal aliens moved on. If you make it tough to live and work in this country they will self deport.
I certainly agree with attrition and enforcing laws. I would add something that would increase the attrition rate. Simply dry up the magnets (jobs, welfare, entitlements, anchor babies, etc) and they will go home over time. Afterall, if they have no hope of citizenship and can’t get a job or freebies, there is no reason to stay if you are a legitimate worker.
Now, see-dubya, I do not agree with the “we need more workers” comment. I believe that attrition, which would take a decade at least to accomplish, gives employers adequate time to find and train an American to take their place and make an orderly transition off illegal labor. That is important since if we waved a wand and poof all ilegals were gone, many businesses would fail only worsening the recession. I am not defending these pol cats, but we have to face reality. Sure, wages would need to rise somewhat (as well as prices) to draw Americans into the positions, but I think overall, the savings in entitelment spending alone would offset any modest price rises. In the end we would be better off. And, if we did find a legitimate need for temporary workers later, then we could establish a foolproof, very orderly and limited visa program. But not until we can get control of this mess and stop birthright citizenship. Other countries have tried guest worker programs only to find they were anything but temporary.
Your data does not substantiate your conclusion. Immigration violations are treated as Federal crimes, thus the higher rate on incarceration in Federal prisons. From the IPC:
The data from California appears to support the claim by MSN.
I am seriously calling for mass roundups and cattle cars headed to Nuevo Laredo, as well as any country from which we find illegal immigrants. Send the Canadians, the Guatemalans, the French (especially the French), the Lower Slobovians, and anyone else HOME FOR GOOD. You broke the rules, you don’t get in. PERIOD.
Think of the fuel savings…
Every roofer, ruff in carpentar, painter, gutter installer, siding installer, window installer etc…. would get their jobs back?
I think that we should follow Joe Horns example, that under Texas law you can use deadly force to protect your property OR your neighbors property. So we should be allowed to shoot the invaders as they come across the border!
I agree with the post about just enforcing the laws we have…what use is there of yet another set of laws that our useless, corrupt, and complete failures in our gov’t still have no intention of enforcing..
You turn off all the magnets..(Free healthcare, free schooling, free welfare/foodstamps and other economic aid), arrest city mayors and council members who have build the walls that are protecting illegals…finally, you frogmarch in front of a judge, a few Tyson Foods executives, and some of the other unethical Executives who have pushed millions of Americans out of work to replace them with slave labor, and pretty soon the illegals will self deport themselves.
Anyone see the movie Children Of Men?
The best scene was in the begining they were rounding up illegals and putting them in cages on the street to be taken to a deportation center. No courts just booted out!
Lower crime rates, higher school testing, shorter wait in the E.R’s, cleaner Home Depots, I could go on and on.
Down side?
we’d lose the mother of the year.
Detect, detain, & deport.
This is another example of groups conflating immigration with illegal immigration to avoid an undesirable conclusion regarding the latter. Sure, legal immigrants are probably less likely to commit crimes. They went through a long process to get here and don’t want to jeopardize what they earned, and obviously have a propensity for following the rules. But illegal immigrants are another matter altogether. As another poster commented, in some states the prison population is so disproportionately composed of illegal aliens, the numbers are staggering. They belie any argument that illegal immigration doesn’t impact crime rates.
# 13 Rusty
What kind of crime that has sentencing guidelines do you think only merit months in prison?
Just curious.
No mention of birthright citizenship? The biggest problem with deportation and attrition is all of the US born anchor babies who would be left without parents or forced to go with their families.
We need to end birthright citizenship for babies of illegals retroactive to the 1986 amnesty, when we were promised strict border enforcement and instead we saw the largest influx of illegal aliens in this nations history for nearly 30 years. 70% of births at Huntington Hospital near my home in South Pasadena, California are to illegal immigrant mothers. They didn’t come before the 1986 amnesty. I think we need to hold the government accountable for promises made in 1986 and redress the problem by revoking citizenship for anchor babies born after 1986.
Exactly correct.
Here is “Illegal immigrants,” and this is an apple. And here is “Immigrants in general” and that is an orange.
Can you substantiate that claim?
Every Damn Cop car should have a bumper sticker that reads: You Report, We deport.
Cut off all federal funding to sanctuary cities and states. It will solve the problem. Also, for the dumb arses saying “you can’t deport all the illegal aliens”
Again, replace illegal aliens with Al Qaeda:
You can’t deport all the Al Qaeda.
YES WE CAN!
Possession of non-lethal recreational drugs to name one. Our jails are full enough.
In the Border Guard case, they shot an unarmed man in the backside and didn’t report it. That should be punished. 12 years? Too much. Why 12?
I understand the need to punish those who are discharging firearms. But mandatory minimums don’t allow for context.
TheOtherSide said: #30,
That wasn’t my post so I won’t go and grab the link but look at California’s prison system. The Mexicans and Blacks are going to be forced to integrate. Watch what happens then. Back to the prison riots.
Here’s but one.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_illegalsandcrime
I see this as a slippery slope. Remember that before the “Final Solution” was enacted on the Jews there was a serious plan to deport them to the island of Madagascar called the Madagascar Plan.
I’m not drawing any parallels to the Nuevo Laredo idea I’m just saying talk like that can be a slippery slope.
Every credible statistical analysis demonstrates that illegals are 6 times likely to engage in Felonious activity than the base population.
Yeah, give me a date and time you would like to see for yourself and I can arrange for us both to take a tour of all the local prison facilities here in the greater Phoenix Metroplex and you can see with your own eyes the statistics in action. Sheriff Joe here has been keeping tabs (must to the disdain of liberals on your side of the fence) of the disproportionate numbers of illegal aliens in his prisons arrested for commiting crimes other than just being in the country illegally that he just started arresting them for recently.
So when your ready, come on down, it’s a lovely 115 and dry.
Um, Goldwater Knight, there is no reason to think that if we deport people who have entered our country illegally that we will stop there. Unless you think it’s possible that after we do something like this, that we’ll deport all the mormons out of Utah to Canada, or something like that.
See-Dub, you missed the substitution.
“Immigration Center” substituted the statistics for immigrants, either inclusive of , or exclusively legal immigrants in “answering” a claim about crime rates because of illegal criminal aliens.
All of the data I looked up on the web talks about “immigrants.” Since the illegal immigrant statistics are a guess since they won’t tell us all where they are, there is a range of “x-millions”.
Do you have a link to a report that mentions the six times number? I’s love to be able to read it.
You can’t honestly compare deporting illegal immigrants back to their country of origin to the Nazis attempting to eradicate Jews from Germany. It would be like the Nazis trying to deport Jews that were in the country illegally back to Israel. Except, of course, there was no Israel, and the Jews weren’t in the country illegally.
The real slippery slope here is experienced once we stop enforcing our borders and start accomodating illegals, as we’ve witnessed for the past twenty years.
Why hasn’t this (Mexicans In Florida Behead Little Girl Who Resisted Being Raped ) gotten any press? What’s it going to take to wake us up before it’s too late?!
Speculators who have invested deeply in goat futures will take a bath.
JLP
Around my area, the collapse of the housing construction market has caused many of the illegals to move elsewhere. It feels like America again and I like it.
wise_man & HankGator:
I am all for enforcement of our laws and not against mass roundups if they were to occur. If they were to occur what would stop anyone from taking the next step. You don’t know what the conservative landscape will be in 20 years.
I’m sorry, I just don’t see as a possibility in a future ‘conservative landscape’ an evil government deporting all non-arian people out of the united states.
And other than that the Madagascar Plan existed before the Wannsee Conference.
I think I’m really attempting to exercise the Writ of Santayana in a convoluted way.
wise_man said:
Fair enough.
I do, however see what is actually happening, as was recently stated:
Goldwater,
Your equating deporting illegal immigrants with a plan for the forcible removal or the jewish holocaust is ridiculous and, frankly, insulting.
GK, I tend to agree with you on a lot of things but proposing to ship illegal immigrants back to their home country, whether that be Mexico or some other country does not sound that much like the Madagascar Plan to me.
That’s like saying we can’t allow police to have guns, because they may start killing people at random. There’s simply no connection between the two, unless you equate being armed with being indiscrimately homicidal, the same way there’s no connection between the mass deportation of people in the country illegally and “taking the next (goose)step,” unless you equate enforcing immigration laws with genocidee.
And where the heck does one come up with death camps as “the next step” flowing from deporting illegal aliens in the first place? We’re not all Nazis under some thin veil of civility. Sheesh.
More money to spend on US Citizens and their needs, infrastructure, restoring hospitals that have gone bankrupt, no more bi-lingual programs, more money…
I could go on and on and on.
What would happen? Legal Latino immigrants would receive a lot more respect and less suspicion..
What slippery slope? This is the most ridiculous analogy I’ve seen in a while.
If my parents came here LEGALLY and went through the proper channels in becoming US Citizens, why can’t everyone else abide by the LAW and do the same? No one gave them a free ride. They worked hard to become US Citizens.
What we want here is for those who are here illegally, go back to where they came from — whether it’s forced or voluntarily (not holding my breath on that one), and come back the proper and legal way. Is that so much to ask for?
Unfortunately their comparisons are based on the number of days incarerated, not the number of inmates (like the data I provided which showed differently).
I would support a massive roundup of the illegals and the reuse of the WWII relocation camps. Manzanar is just sitting there waiting…
There would be more gas available, housing prices and rent would drop in many parts of the country. School class sizes could become manageable. Money could be saved on interpreters. The money spent on the free meal program at schools could be saved. Gang tagging on our homes and business would stop. Emergency rooms could see people in a reasonable time. Stores could quit having to post signs in Spanish. I COULD QUIT HAVING TO PRESS ONE JUST TO SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OF THIS COUNTRY!!!
However, I don’t think as full scale roundup would be necessary. If the laws would be enforced the Mexicans would leave the country the way a chicken eats corn… one at a time.
#56:
Hopefully not. Government is not here to fulfill our needs or provide for them, including bankrupt hospitals.
I can see how the idea of rounding up thousands of illegals at a time and putting them on a train can leave someone with an unsettling feeling. And it’s an easy mental image to recount was was done during WW2, and be disgusted with the same mental images. You know that the left would characterize this as ‘Neo-Con-Nazis sending the immigrants to their deaths not to the gas chambers but to mexico’ or some such garbage.
But time to face facts. These people are breaking our laws. They should not be rewarded by letting them stay now that they are in, they need to be deported. If this were to be done, in my opinion, there would be no further slope to slide on. But like I said, I can completely understand the reasonings behind Goldwater Knight’s comment.
If we enforced all laws currently on the books, against all illegals and all employers, we could rid ourselves of nearly every illegal alien.
I say GOOD RIDDANCE! SEE YA! DLTDHYOTWO!
Net gain would be approx. $9,000.00 per illegal sent home ( I’ve read that illegals cost us NET as high as $19,000 dollars EACH)
so… 15 million x $9,000.00 = you do the math.
Would the be real Math or the warm-fuzzy liberal Math?
I don’t see the problem with a mass roundup. Eisenhower rounded up 1 million of them w/1100 agents. No problem
UH, the people in favor of deportation are in favor because they respect the law? Would respect for the law prevent the next step?
From the article; “Emphasis now is on deterrence, which is proving costly. Estimates for the construction of a 15-foot-high double fence between the U.S. and Mexico range from $1 million to as much as $70 million per mile. The border is 2,000 miles long.”
How about we get the illegals to build the fence?
Ok, seriously…all the talk about kicking the illegals out is nonsense until the border is secured with a fence. Otherwise, they’ll just cross right back over.
Next, to try and throw all the illegals out is impossible. Give them amnesty as Reagan did. Past mistakes of not securing the border are corrected and the illegal problem is solved. Hospitals will return to business as normal. Health insurance costs will decrease. “Legal” immigration can continue as before. Cheap labor can still be had via work permit programs with other nations as mentioned.
If Reagan did it, why the fuss to do it again? Isn’t he the hero of the Republicans? What would Reagan do?
Birthright citizenship should be ended as well.
And as far as the cost for building the wall, take some troops out of the 130 nations they’re currently in and save that dough for the fence.
Or, just get out of Iraq.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS do committ FAR MORE CRIMES per capita than American citizens.
When they use the “IMMIGRANT” stance, they plan to deceive you.
We WELCOME IMMIGRANTS, ALL LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Illegals are taking up nearly 30% of jail beds in CA alone, that is NOT a healthy percentage.
This is a hit piece designed to deceive the American public, shame on you MSN, again.
Because no one enforced the laws that went with the Reagan amnesty, they should have stopped future illegals…AND, there were 1.5 million illegals then, not 20 MILLION plus all their families that the left wants to let in.
HUGE DIFFERENCE.
And no more anchor babies is great, I’m all for that. Again, just follow the law, The 14th amendment does NOT allow for babies born here to be automatic citizens. One parent has to be LEGAL.
Source please.
Go visit them?
“The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California’s prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces.”
From here
The first link I found for illegal alien criminal population is here.
Once you have effective border enforcement and start fining business owners a fine equal to 35% of company assets for hiring illegals, you can then round them up….leaving only those who are here legally who love this country and want to assimilate
1, Because it didn’t work.
2, Yes he’s a hero.
3, He’s recognize his mistake and say deport them. Enforce the rules that followed that amnesty and crack down on companies hiring the illegal invaders.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the fence. I am not a big proponent of the fence for several reasons. Cost and the fact that many illegals came legally but never left. Fence does not stop that. I am not against the fence per se, I just believe there is a better way. You say w/o a fence they come rihgt back. Agreed, UNLESS you dry up the magnets. If we took away all the resaons they come here (anchor babies, jobs, entitlements, education, health care, etc) and they have no way to earn $ nor any chance at becoming a citizen, most would not come back. And if they did it would be for nefarious reasons. Then you kick in harsh graduated penalties for those coming back in (which crossing illegally will become more difficult if the BP only has to guard against 50K-100K crossing each year rather than the 1M today). We have to be strict about enforcing the laws to prove we are serious (for far too long we have made our immigration laws laughable). But this will eliminate any kind of illegal immigration and prove to be a viable and economical long term solution over an expensvie fence that must be guarded and repaired for eternity. A cost that could be used for interior enforcement
You said,
Uhmmm…. I am. I am calling for the annulment of every amnesty since Ted Kennedy got this problem started in the late 1960′s. After that, every illegal alien and every descendant of every illegal alien, AND everyone who looks like MIGHT BE an illegal alien (and can’t prove otherwise) should be forcibly extricated from our country. I don’t care if we march them there, airdrop them there, bus them there, or send them via railroad… they have to go. PERIOD.
He’s a hero to more than just Republicans; he’s a hero of mine.
I, for one, would be willing to endure a recession or depression in this country as a price to be paid for dealing with the illegal immigration issue once and for all. Living in CA I can say that local analysts show this STATE spends almost $10Billion annually because of illegal immigrants here.
But more important is the divisiveness and Balkanization that is the result of 20MM among us plus their enablers that work counter to this being a nation of laws and counter to the concept of integrating into an American culture.
More fun for the oblivious to facts TOS:
Arizona Department of Corrections statistics (state and local prisons):
All the estimates I run across mention the illegal alien percentage is 8% in Arizona currently based on statistic estimates from The Pew Hispanic Center in 2004. (can’t find the report on that site atm, they have too many statistics and estimates to dig through right now).
I AM. I WANT THEM OUTTA HERE.
“Thus the likelihood that an illegal alien will be among those incarcerated (1 in 22) is significantly greater than the share of adult illegal aliens in the country (1 in 36). It is this greater likelihood of being incarcerated that clearly demonstrates that illegal aliens are disproportionately involved in criminal activity.”
You can derive more reliable numbers using incarceration days, because you weed out people in for short stays on minor offenses.
Good stuff Weary Citizen. Can you provide any good links or book references regarding some of the stuff you speak to?
And I just saw a video of Obama saying instead of worrying about immigrants learning English, we should be making out kids learn Spanish. Nice.
The flip side of this is the handling of legal immigration. Those who want to come here legally and follow all the rules are often kept on waiting lists for years by incompetent administrators and bureaucrats, or are otherwise told that quotas will keep them out until their most productive years are behind them.
The article states that the loss of illegal workers would negatively impact the middle-class, through wage inflation that gets passed along to consumers, implying that we’d better not force those poor illegals out unless we want to pay more for our goodies.
Yet isn’t this exactly what happens whenever the minimum wage is increased? I rarely see the MSM lamenting that, though. Usually they are cheerleading minimum wage hikes rather than letting the market set wages based on value delivered. Nice double standard.
Hmmm. If they didn’t break the law, they wouldn’t get any sentence at all.
Si, se puede! Deport them all, that is.
Weary,
I agree with taking away the “incentives” is a must. But what effect would the building of the wall have on the drug trade? The “war on drugs” is a failure and the wall would put a damper on such “illegal” trade. The cost savings would come from less enforcement needed and a lower prison population and overall reduction in crime.
140 billion for a fence is chump change compared to what we’re spending in Iraq. If the Republicans are so worried about the cia created al-Qaida, then stopping them at our borders you would think a higher concern. Instead, we have elephants and mariachi bands crossing!
Yeah, I remember when the CIA created al Qaeda. That was one of those meetings in Springfield presided over by Mr. Burns.
Yesterday he wanted them to learn French because he was embarrassed that when Americans go to France they speak English.
What people want.
What states are doing.
Only 40 or so more states to go, while we keep our President and Congress from granting the 7th amnesty since 1986.
Why is that a problem? As far as many of us are concerned, they’re not legally citizens anyway.
Okay. If I illegally immigrate to France, I promise to learn their native tongue and not expect the populace there to accommodate me by learning my native tongue. It was so rude of me to expect the French to keep me from being inconvenienced, if I were to enter their country illegally.
Exactly.
The “ZOMG, there won’t be enough unskilled workers!” is garbage, too. This country is full of unemployed unskilled citizens who don’t work because they don’t have to! The government feeds and houses them, and pays all their babies’ expenses…work is for chumps.
There is no reason to seperate children from their parents. If they are under 18, they can go home with their parents, and then after that, they can return to America. They could petition for their parents to come to the US, but as convicted felons, as they should be for being caught in this country illegally, they should be denied entrance.
Wise Man #89, Actions meet Consequences.
Thats because if we sent them all home on a 1st class plane ride, it would be so mean.
We sent a third of America overseas to fight WWII and managed pretty well and they were people who had an allegiance to this nation.
But send home a tenth of the population, people who illegally live here and who have no loyalty to America and suddenly we’ll collapse?
Now that rates a MSM liberal logic alert.
On July 9th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, HankGator said:
People mock what they don’t understand. See: Legal Creation of al-Qaeda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_al-Fadl
You think I make this stuff up?
repeat for clarification:
People mock what they don’t understand. See: Legal Creation of al-Qaeda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_al-Fadl
You think I make this stuff up?
Wow. I’m so embarassed now. A wikipedia entry that says … what about the CIA creating al Qaeda, exactly?
Assuming, for the moment, that wikipedia is some kind of valid source, that entry refers to prosecutors needing to establish existence of a criminal organization in order to enable a prosecution of Bin Laden.
“Jamal al-Fadl was taken on as a key prosecution witness, who along with a number of other sources claimed that Osama bin Laden was the leader of a large international terrorist organisation which was called ‘al-Qaeda’.”
You must mock a whole lot of things if you think this is somehow proof that the CIA created al Qaeda.
No, no, he was embarrassed because when they go to France they want French’s Mustard on their Poisson Sandwich instead of Grey Poupon.
The “Anchor babies will be separated from their parents” argument is stupid. Responsible adults keep and raise their kids.
I am a HUGE believer in this strategy because to me, it is reasonable and logical. Much of the basics (attrition and magnets) I have heard from many sources. Tancredo. FAIR. NumbersUSA. VDARE. Frosty Woolridge. Though I always felt each one’s plan always omitted an important point. So I thought long and hard about all the things that must be done to make it work (I am vehemently opposed to this invasion and joined the minutemen to do something). The theme always centered around citizenship and $. Once you knwo the end goal, you set about identifying the problems and derive the solution. The rest I used logic and common sense to follow through the likely outcomes of each solution. Walls are useful for many reasons, but it is not comprehensive and does not address anchor babies or visa overstays. It is more logical to attack the root cause of the problem (magnets) than to fight the effects of the root cause forever.
I read this article too and was pretty shocked at their conclusions that we couldn’t do without them. Their attitude is, ‘Sure we are a great nation, but we ‘need’ illegal aliens?’ Come on, America is better than that.
What they FAIL to address is the GUEST WORKER PROGRAM. We don’t need to lose workers that we need, and we don’t need to grant citizenship and all the entitlements it entails. The only thing we need to do is enforce the law, give those here illegally a legal Guest worker card with no chance of citizenship.
That’s their choice. Either get in line and become a legal citizen like citizens from all over the world. Or bypass that and come here to work through the guest worker program. Absent that, expect to be deported. Our government can and should deport all illegal aliens.