MSN Money: What would happen if every illegal alien were thrown out?
It’s not actually that important a question that MSN asks, since they acknowledge it’s impossible logisitically and furthermore I don’t think anyone’s seriously calling for mass roundups and cattle cars headed to Nuevo Laredo.
We do want better enforcement, a physical barrier, and criminal sanctions with bite against employers to deter them from hiring illegal alien workers in the first place. And couple that with a policy of attrition through arrest and deportation–especially of felons and drunk drivers–and the problem will become more manageable. Meanwhile, we’ll need to increase our importation of legal labor (not necessarily from Mexico, but wherever the labor will come from) to offset the economic difficulties that an absence of dirt-cheap, illegal labor will create.*
So now that I’ve made that clear, here’s MSN’s hypothetical. I could dispute some of the particulars but it looks like they do a reasonable job of addressing both sides and laying out who the winners and losers would be.
Some of the losers would, of course, deserve to be losers, since they’re getting ahead by breaking the law. The problem is that they’re passing along their savings on labor to the rest of us, and the rest of us will have to pay more.
One thing they only hint at is the security issue.
And then there’s the neighborhood. Critics of lax immigration policies say that drug running, traffic accidents and crime would go down with the illegal immigrants gone. But The Immigration Policy Center, a Washington research group, argues that studies show that immigrants in general are less likely to commit crimes or to end up behind bars than native-born Americans. The debate goes on.
I think there’s a lot more to that story, including the vulnerability to terrorists as well as cross-border gang wars, assassinations, and home invasions.
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* I think Michelle agrees with me on most of these things, but just to clarify, she didn’t write this post and we may differ on some of the particulars or priorities.
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“Criminal immigrants account for more than 25% of all inmates in federal prisons and is the fastest growing segment of the prison population. (66)”
“In addition, state and local authorities were spending more than $500 million a year to arrest and imprison illegal immigrants who committed serious crimes. (71) New York State estimated these added costs at $270 million, while Illinois estimated that it spends $40 million per year for incarceration alone. (72)”
Just a few facts from;
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/immigration_facts_figures_and_addendum.html
Good points. For the drug trade, if we could stop all the economic migrants from crossing, which the gangs use as cover, it would free up the BP to be more effective in interdiction. And they would know the intruders are up to no good. Besides, a good portion of the drugs come in through ports, or air transport, because the vast amount of cargo isn’t searched. I have no estimates, just a gut feel. IMHO, the cost/benefit may not be there. But i am always open to persuasion if the facts say otherwise.
I can’t argue about the terorist crossing threat. That may be a gamble but i defer back to the arguments above about BP effectiveness.
As for the amount it costs, I beleive the $ may be put to better use. That would buy a lot of new boots on the ground and better equipment for the BP and interior enforcement. Right now, it is “olie olie onson free” if they get past the BP on the border.
LMAO. And you saw that too with the reporter on the elephant crossing with a mariachi band? I laughed so hard at that. Even though it really isn’t a laughing matter.
Just to be sure, I am not against a fence. I will take anything I can get. I just think it should be the last resort. Not the first.
Half the stolen cars in America would be in Mexico by Thursday.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7718
Now say something funny to distract yourself from reality.
thanks for the discourse Weary…
Let’s see… you’re “weary” and “I’m fed up!”
Perhaps things will get better before they get worse.
Thanks Weary…very well stated.
It’s only impossible because no one wants to try. If all US employers wouldn’t let work here, why would they stay?
If only 2% of the illegals work in agriculture, what are the rest of them doing & why do we need more? Put some able bodied welfare folks to work.
What a bunch of garbage that is.
Were you in the intelligence community? I was. I was a special agent for five years, before I left the military to go to law school. The idea that somehow the CIA “created” al Qaeda is ridiculous. It is a myth commonly perpetrated by our detractors and opponents to our foreign policy, and is very popular in Europe, where conspiracy theories about the U.S. abound. This myth takes two forms, one is that the CIA created al Qaeda by giving Bin Laden money and arms. The other is that al Qaeda doesn’t really exist, but is just a propaganda bogeyman. I have a nice tin-foil hat for you if you buy either one. This is the kind of stuff swallowed by 9/11-was-an-inside-job morons.
Peter Bergen, one of the few level-headed journalists out there that covers this type of thing, has done extensive research and has repeatedly put the lie to CIA-al Qaeda connections:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html
But if you want to continue to believe, as that article on a left-wing anti-American site states, that al Qaeda is an operative arm of the CIA (”While Al Qaeda remains firmly under the control of the US intelligence apparatus…”), you’re not even intelligent enough to argue with.
The “illegal” worker does the jobs US citizens won’t do…especially, this group, with few exceptions. Welfare to work does work where enforced. Unfortunately, in a liberal’s mind, it is inhumane to ask lazya**es to get off their duffs, and actually “earn” their keep.
#110 watch what you say about the libs sacred welfare cow.
#110 - It’s inhumane to ask lazya**es to work but not inhumane to hire illegals to do the same work? Huh?
WOWZER HeatherRadish you nailed it !!
ILLEGAL ALIENS use more than they give back! SO, send them home and put our own unemployed unskilled citizens to work. Let them that take, give back.
Guess I came home from WORK in a selfish mood.
Beamer-
True ‘dat. It works wonders bringing in the future voting base for the Democrat Party, does it not? I just read that, in a study of 65 rural communities in California’s San Joaquin Valley between 1980 and 1990, it found that the addition of 100 farm jobs resulted in an additional 139 people - including immigrants, their families and area residents - living in poverty.
Certainly, it isn’t the low-paying farm jobs that are causing illegal from Mexico to flock here…how about welfare, social security, free education, free medical services, food stamps…all they need to do is get here. What a generous country we are! Is Obama going to “change” this, or is this not one of the “Changes We Can Believe In?”
20 - 30 million illegals X 3 - 4 gallons of gas per day (conservative estimate) = lots of fuel we could be saving every day and make the cost of gas go down.
#114 Actually no BHO stated today he doens’t care about the deficit and has no intention of bring it down but, increase it by mor entitlements!
Not only does Obama say he won’t eliminate the deficit in his first term, as McCain aims to do, he frankly says he’s not sure he’d bring it down at all in four years, considering his own spending plans.
“I do not make a promise that we can reduce it by 2013 because I think it is important for us to make some critical investments right now in America’s families,” Obama told reporters this week when asked if he’d match McCain’s pledge.
So what is more important in tough economic times? For the government to spend more to help hard-hit Americans or to eliminate a deficit that can lead to higher borrowing costs and slow the economy?
babbledabble -
Huh? I never said, nor implied, that it was inhumane to hire an illegal alien…but, it is I-L-L-E-G-A-L. Are you suggesting that we should allow that type of hiring out of humanitarian feelings?
Right_on: Absolutely Not! I am not suggesting anything of the kind. You said the libs considered it imhumane to ask a lazy *** to go to work, so I asked why is it less inhumane to expect anyone else to do the work. (It was meant to be sarcasm) I am all for sending them back where they came from to improve their own country, not drain ours & since we have so many folks on welfare here, let them do the work. Did I make more sense this time? I hope.
I don’t need to belittle a source or individual as you attempt with me, but rather point out the facts.
Perhaps you’ll take the word of CIA director Robert Gates (see below quote) from his book, “From The Shadows.”
It’s not difficult to draw conclusions here. But you go ahead and fight your wars against a “way of thinking,” not an army and in the meantime our economy will go to zero. That’s the bottom line and I don’t need to quote anyone to prove this is the result of Gate’s and the CIA’s workings of the 80’s and 90’s….a “contrived” enemy and “war on terror” that can never be won….the perfect reasoning for the perpetual rewards to the military industrial complex and the congressional elite.
If all the illegals left….Hmmmmm. We’d need fewer immigration lawyers, bilingual educators, bilingual signs and I’d have to cut my own grass. OH, wait.. I already cut my own grass.
What would happen if every illegal alien were thrown out?
Less crime, less of a strain on the health care system, no more MS-13 gangs, more American citizens being hired by employers who formerly exploited illegal ‘cheap labor’ and violated Title 8 of the U.S. Code, no more illegals receiving unearned benefits at taxpayers’ expense, and last but not least, a vital step toward acknowleging the sovereignty of the United States as a country that actually has borders, and gives a damn about national security.
How’s that for a start?
Hey, Fed-Up, you’re the one who started saying about people mocking what they don’t understand, while the truth is I understand this stuff way more than you ever will. And that interpretation of Gates memoir is crap.
The “international brigade” wasn’t created by the CIA, and that snippet doesn’t even say that it was. The Mujaheddin and the foreign fighters were separate groups, and Gates said nothing came of their considering the idea to utilize them back then. To say that “international brigade” became al Qaeda ignores the fact he said that encouragement of an international brigade was thought about but never came about. To say that it eventually “was created” (note the passive voice) and “became al Qaeda” and therefore the CIA is responsible is like saying the Wright Brothers are responsible for the DC-10 engine mount because they invented the airplane.
My answer to the question is: Three cartwheels and a backflip!
Fair enough…but I didn’t refer to you as a character from the Simpsons…
Anyway…I see your points, but I don’t think it’s possible to prove the actual source of the term al-Qaida beyond a reasonable doubt.
The concept does however fit in with the overall objective of those who favor imperialism over peace and a war against terror versus a war against a named enemy.
All this will lead to is economic disaster. It’s like playing the game of risk. When you spread yourself too thin, what happens?
The whole point of this thread is about illegal immigration and my point was to close the border first, but this doesn’t seem to be a priority of congress.
I’ll let you have the last word…and believe it or not, appreciate your insight.
If you want to contend that the CIA may have created the TERM al Qaeda, that’s certainly possible (I doubt it, but it could be true). But that’s just a name. The organization itself is very real, and not a CIA creation.
Yes, the concept fits a certain worldview, and that’s the problem. People who think the U.S. is the source of the world’s evil and that it implements its evil schemes through the CIA and similar agencies are always concocting theories like this, usually based on some tiny kernel of truth stretched and distorted beyond all recognition.
And just to be clear, I wasn’t referring to you as a character from the Simpsons, I was comparing the notion of the CIA creating al Qaeda to those episodes where Mr. Burns presides over meetings of evil Republicans conspiring to do bad things.
I’m with you on closing down the borders. Unfortunately, I don’t see it happening until maybe somebody smuggles a nuke or dirty bomb into the country–and that’s only a matter of time, folks–but I’m with you on that point. Frankly, if we didn’t shut down our borders after 9/11, it will take a disaster of exponentially more devastating proportions for us ever to. And by then the Hispanic bloc may be so politically pandered to, it won’t even happen then.
it’s nice that we want to throw every illegal out, but i think it’s impossible. however, it’s very possible to make it to where no company will hire them. use the language of business….money.
we need to set the penalties high for employers who use illegals. most companies can take a $50,000 fine and live. you need to make it $50,000 or more per illegal per day. make it retroactive to the first day you can prove the illegal worked. all money goes to build that fence we’re supposed to already have….
and oh yeah….those sanctuary cities?? if you want to have one, the entire state loses all federal funds. how likely is this to all work? well one can wish……take all that returned money and apply it to our debt.
it’s nice to think about, but with a socialist and democrat running to be potus, combined with congress, the only result we’ll ever see is amnesty.
On July 9th, 2008 at 12:13 pm, J S Ragman said:
What would happen if every illegal alien were thrown out?
Oh, I don’t know. Let’s try it and find out.
I agree totally. It’s not going to work if we don’t try.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I grew up in the welfare system and chose not to on it since becoming an adult. The abuse to this day is rampant. Everyone seems to think they should be handed something.
Um … I’m calling for that. Seriously.
What the MSN story fails to consider are all of the new innovations that people will come up with to alleviate the lack of a ’slave’ worker. Farming and construction techniques have changed very little over the last 30 years specifically because of the availability of ‘cheap’ illegal labor. I would predict that within 2 growing seasons many farmers will have adapted to having fewer low wage manual jobs and more higher paying automated ones.
This is something that has happened in Florida already. Two years ago the Florida citrus industry found out that Brazil is grabbing a bigger share of the world orange juice market from them. And that no matter how much illegal labor the growers in Florida could use, they would not be able to compete with Brazils automated process!
Of course, our silly congress shipped em a bunch of ‘free’ cash to automate their process in order to be able compete, with no strings like paying back the money later on.
As for deporting them all, seems to me this is the most expensive solution. We need to enforce the existing laws cracking down on the employers of illegals.
I also wonder why no-one has challenged that court case that said the taxpayers are obligated to pay for education of children that are illegally in the country. Seems like a real big stretch to claim there is a constitutional right to a free education for the entire world.
I am not sure how somebody here got sidetracked into a where is the name al Qaeda is from. Seems I recall hearing it many years ago in the early 90’s. In that story it was simply a name that bin laden used to refer to a list of operatives from around the world he had in Afghanistan helping to fight the Russians.
I’m sure I’ll be considered a racist, but…
1) There is really no such thing as an “illegal immigrant” - an immigrant is a person who immigrates legally. The term for someone coming into the country illegally would be an “illegal alien.”
2) Birthright citizenship needs to be ended; its simply a loophole in the 14th amendment meant to give a path of citizenship to the children of those held in slavery in the US so they could share in the blessings of this great country. Two wrongs don’t make a right, thus a child born of two illegals should not be a citizen.
3)Yes, I agree with all those who said cut off all benefits to those here illegally, and they’ll go home. If they still refuse, there’s always the bus.
Just my two cents.
DCM
I worked in an ESL class for three harrowing months. Before I started I was told repeatedly that I cannot ask anything about their immigration status or those of their family. Of course, they were all illegal.
The qualifiers are important. The quote is true for legal immigrants, who are vetted by the immigration process. Since illegals make up a wildly disproportionate share of the prison population, it obviously isn’t true of them.
That’s an all too typical strawman argument used by the open-borders crowd. We know that enforcement, especially employer enforcement, results in a lot of illegals going back home.
Anyone doubting the absolute insanity of birthright citisenship should look at this article. Every mexican, central american, and south american is well aware of the benefits of anchor babies so they are streaming in for that purpose alone.
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=10963
Now, that is for those crossing the border. There are many many more who come legally via visitor visas in their 8th month of pregnancy. I personally witnessed it. On a plane to Europe to visit my in-laws, my wife and I were sitting up front with our 2 samll children. Another lady was sitting there so we started talking. She was from Albania and was holding a new born. What we discovered, and she did not attempt to hide, was she came to the US on a visitors visa in her 8th month of preganancy for the sole purpose of having an American baby. She knew the loophole and exploited it (at least she left afterward though). So if some lady from some obscure Albanian town knows and can take advantage of our stupidty of birthright citizenship, then practiaclly EVREYONE in the world knows this. They get their hospital paid by taxpayers. They are eligible for entitlements at the taxpayer expense (which is a lot of $ to most people around the world). And when the baby turns 18, chain migration begins. Absolutely no down side to them. Even the liberal countries of Europe and Canada saw the abuse and stupidity fo such a policy and stopped it. The US is the only 1st world country in the world to continue this nation breaking policy. Time to demand this be ended whiel there is still a chance. If we don’t end it now, there will be sufficient numbers of anchor babies and newly arrived immigrants in 20 years to eliminate any chance of ever stopping it. And they will kill the goose that laid the golden egg before they stop the policy that they themselves benefitted from.
OOn July 9th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, shooter said:
Some of us do.
But clearly, some of us don’t.
I’ll say it again: bigotry has no place in Conservative discourse. And people who consider themselves to be true conservatives should pay a lot more attention to what is being said and done in the name of “conservatism”.
Illegal immigration is a problem that must be dealt with. But Mexican men and women who come to this country and follow the correct path to American citizenship are worthy of the same respect and consideration afforded to all US Citizens.
I have a real problem with people who lump all Mexicans together and slap them with stereotypes. I know many Mexican Americans who are clean, decent hardworking people and the very best kind of neighbor that you can have. They’re kind hospitable folk who are proud of their heritage as they should be, but they don’t flog anyone over the head with it.
As for those “anchor” babies that people are rushing here to have? C’mon, folks. It takes a full 21 years for their parents to actually become US citizens… it doesn’t happen automatically. Just saying.
By the same token I know a lot of ignorant, American-born, white trash *’s that I wouldn’t want to live within 25 miles of.
On July 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, Rob said:
Sure, Rob.
And when those illegals are forced into an internment camp and sent back to Mexico, perhaps their Mexican American relatives who are US Citizens will go back with them to avoid having to break up the family… right?
what would happen if we got rid of them all?
here in Lost Angels there’d be less traffic, less smog, less crime, more j*bs for high school & college students (a shortage of which has been the subject of several newspaper articles recently).
the hue & cry over the “lack of affordable housing” and the concomitant proposals of Mayor Villarboboso for massive buildings of apartments to replace single family homes would be seen as the BS they are. our water use would drop as well, which is always a good thing here in the desert.
the savings in health care, education, et al, have been noted above, as well as the crime issue, exacerbated here by the gang problem.
all in all, it looks like a win to me.
“Deportelos todos, si si puede!”
I will be frank. I think that is a simplistic platitude that has absolutely no value. Under reasonable and rational Immigration policy, I would 100% agree. But not under the horrendous immigration policies of today. There is no filter based on the immigratn’s potential add ot the society (education, or skills). We have an unsustainable policy of allowing over 1M legal immigrants per year. It is a come one and come all policy. As a result, we end up with people who are illiterate even in their native langage. Have no skills and can’t speak English. And those with cultures that are diamterically opposed to Western values. Why? Kennedy’s BS family reunification program which has taken our control of who is let in and the disastrous 1965 immigration act unleashed upon us. So many of these “welcomed” illiterates end up on, you guessed it, the gov’t dole. Not only do we let them in with little inspection, and pay for the refugees to resettle, I then get to pay for their welfare till the day they die (including all the children they bring) Just wonderful. All you “welcoming legal immigrants” can pay for them all you want. But don’t ask me to pay and be ahppy about it.
I agree with allowing the best and the brightest to immigrate (of course everything in moderation). They add tremendously to our economy and standard of living. But we do not need immigrants for “diversity” sake. I think we have plenty of diversity now. But tell me how an unskilled peasant from Guatemala or refugee from Somalia (or pick a european country)enrich me or the country? They don’t.
This is snip from my last post, #116 on this thread.
It’s relevant to the discussion so I’ll beg Michelles’ patience and simply C/P, as I don’t have the time or the patience to retype the whole thing.
They’re here, folks… pay attention.
On July 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, Weary Citizen said:
Good freaking grief.
Good Grief? I stand by my comments. They are not racist. Oh I see, you are one of those “nation of immigrants” people that are offended at every turn. Or maybe one of those, “you mean spirited guy who wants to pull the ladder up on the life raft since you are already on”. Oh, I bet you think Tancredo is a knickle dragging caveman. I swear, you are at best one of the so called “neo-con” that has “compassion” for everyone and wants to help the world and buy everyone a coke”. You are a liberal troll that is liek the pesky little dog nipping at your heals. You are so PC it is unbelievable. I am 100% opposed to mass immigration first. Second to immigration of anyone who will not add value to the system or worse have the system support them. I don’t care what their plight is frankly. If that is mean, then so be it. Look, we have 300M people here today. Our resources are stressed. Water rationing. Ground water pollution. Congestion. Sprawling cities. Loss of habitat and wide open spaces. etc. At what point do we say enough IR? When there is 500M? 1B? How about 2B? Yea, I bet we will have the same quality of life then. You think impossible. Well, the census bureau estimates our population to hit 500M by 2060 and approach 1B by the end of the century under current immigraiton policies. I just fail to see how that is good for us. You may want to sell out the future of your children to show how cooommpaaaasionate you are, but I am not. I simply want a reasonable and rational immigration policy based on rational and reasonble population growth targets. Not just go blindly over the cliff so people liek you can feel good about yourself. Got it?
Would that “mass immigration” that you’re opposed to be composed of legals, illegals, or both?
Answer the question.
I thought not.
LOL. Unlike you, I actually have a job and reponsibilites so just saw your “question”. I include legal AND illegal in “mass immigration”. I thought that would be clear but I guess not. But your snarky little responses tell me you are ok with any immgiration level as long as it is legal. Well, “my friend” (I hate that phrase from mcamensty) whether you over populate the country via legal or illegal immigraiton it is the same outcome. Throughout history we have had a couple of decades of mass immigration followed by moratorium. Our past leasers understood that we must allow time for the latest wave of immigrants to assimilate. Unfortuntely, our leaders today are not using that wisdom. So we just keep piling more and more in with no plan. There are many reasons to curb immigraiton levels back to historical norms (assimmilation reasons, absorbtion reasons, resource reasons, population growth reasons, etc). But logic tells us that at some point we will reach critical mass of population levels where control is completly lost. China did not institute the “one child policy” for the h*ll o it. They saw that was the only way to stop the massive increase. Even a modest .5% growth off of 1.3B is 6.5M additional people per year to somehow feed and house. But of course, we should ignore all the warning signs to we can “feel good” about ourselves in the immediate term. I guess my call for sane sustainable planned immigration levels though makes me a “xenophobe”. I am so ashamed for being so selfish as to want my children to have the same standard of living and quality of life I enjoy.
Logistically impossible is something I don’t want to hear. Of course, it’s logistically possible. Where there’s a will, there’s always a way.
The real problem is that no politician wants to have the rest of the (bleeding-heart) world point their fingers at America and calling them “Nazis” or something for merely protecting their country and enforcing the laws.
On July 11th, 2008 at 10:16 am, Weary Citizen said:
Sure it was clear.
I just wanted you to spell it out clearly in public so that everyone here including our hostess can see what racist pig you are.
Yes I am.
The real question is, why aren’t you?
I respect every single immigrant who comes to this country through the front door, respects the laws of our land, and follows the correct path to citizenship.
Unlike you… a person who is obviously so obsessive, hate-filled and self-absorbed that you don’t have respect for anyone except yourself.
I’m not your “friend”, so blow it out your arse.
You’re a vile, incredibly disgusting little fascist who makes me want to go take a shower every time we have an exchange.
This country was built and populated by immigrants, idjit. Our founding fathers were immigrants.
Your problem is that you believe that any immigrant that doesn’t have white skin like you, is an inferior.
I never said we didn’t have a problem with illegal immigrants. We do.
But have a REAL problem with people like you who would deny Americans citizens their basic rights because you don’t like their ethnicity.
You lump everyone together and slap them with the “dirty Mexican” label. And you’re nothing less than a racist bigot.
Not likely, as this country does have immigration quotas.
Once we curb the flow of illegal immigrants coming into the country - and we will - deport illegals who have a criminal record with no chance for return, and strictly limit any further legal immigration to these quotas, the situation will begin to stabilize. Eventually older immigrants who have been living here for many years will pass on, right along with the rest of the baby boomer generation. Sure it will take some time, but it WILL happen.
All this screaming about “compromising the future of our children, driving up fuel prices, driving us into poverty, ruining our educational system, and compromising the environment” is nothing more than a smokescreen, a time-honored tactic that has long been favored by fascists to inspire prejudice and fear among the populus. Phrases like “critical mass” and “loss of control” are nothing more than alarmist rhetoric.
Why don’t you stop beating around the bush here and show some authenticity. Say what you mean, and say it plainly: you oppose immigration - ALL IMMIGRATION, EVEN LEGAL IMMIGRATION - because it might displace WHITE people.
You applaud forced and coerced abortions and sterilizations, and the murder of infants, as methods of population control and economic management?
And you dare to come here call yourself a conservative.
Pardon me while I puke.
Let me guess… you’re a card carrying member of CAPS, right?
Cut the false piety, assh*le.
Some people here who don’t have the full picture might actually buy into your bull*, but I’m not one of them.
Your a neofascist racist bigot who is using Ms. Malkins’ blog as a platform to spread your vile poision to the unsuspecting, and you’re compromising her journalistic reputation to further your own perverted agenda.
And some intelligent conservatives are actually capable of CONNECTING THE DOTS.
Do Ms. Malkin and real conservatives and Republicans here a favor… LEAVE.
And take your fascist friends with you.
I did not look at the site in depth but on the surface, yea, I probably would agree with them. So what? You and your SPLC buddies going to put them on your “hate list” sites? Maybe put me in a PC re-education camp? BTW, you will love this irish idiot. I am a member of the Minutemen, FAIR, and NubmersUSA. I also read VDAR.com. Ahh gasp!!! That proves it. I am a racist. Jesus, I really did not know how far down the proverbial bucket the GOP was willing to reach to get members. If this is the new republican party, I need to turn in my RNC card pronto. Because I certainly don’t need to support more liberal drivel.
And where are all the real conservatives here who still understand the difference between RIGHT AND WRONG?
Anyone?
You silence is appalling.
Irish Rose: I understand the difference between right and wrong…
I’m right, and your’e worng.
’nuff said!
You’re a faux conservative, dear. Anyone who advocates open borders with no accountability for illegal aliens, and accuses those who oppose that of ‘bigotry’, is a dyed in the wool liberal.
Juan Hernandez, La Raza, and MECHA love you.