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On July 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, Irish Rose said:

Do Ms. Malkin and real conservatives and Republicans here a favor… LEAVE.

And take your fascist friends with you.

You’re a faux conservative, dear. Anyone who advocates open borders with no accountability for illegal aliens, and accuses those who oppose that of ‘bigotry’, is a dyed in the wool liberal.

Juan Hernandez, La Raza, and MECHA love you.

I’m right, and your’e worng.

’nuff said!

Anyone?

You silence is appalling.

Let me guess… you’re a card carrying member of CAPS, right?

I did not look at the site in depth but on the surface, yea, I probably would agree with them. So what? You and your SPLC buddies going to put them on your “hate list” sites? Maybe put me in a PC re-education camp? BTW, you will love this irish idiot. I am a member of the Minutemen, FAIR, and NubmersUSA. I also read VDAR.com. Ahh gasp!!! That proves it. I am a racist. Jesus, I really did not know how far down the proverbial bucket the GOP was willing to reach to get members. If this is the new republican party, I need to turn in my RNC card pronto. Because I certainly don’t need to support more liberal drivel.

I thought maybe you were able to be rational, but I guess I should have expected that. I suspected you had the thought processes of a liberal from the beginning.

Racist, huh?

racist pig you are

Hmmm. Where did I single anyone out? Show me. I said ALL immigration from ANY country. I did not say mexicans or any specific race. Once agian proving to “everyone and the hostess’ what a moron you are. It is standard liberal practice to take one comment and stretch into something completly different then yell RACIST!!! Grow up.

I prove the same point again here

You applaud forced and coerced abortions and sterilizations, and the murder of infants, as methods of population control and economic management?

Strawman. When did I say I “applaud” that? Are you even capable of haveing a discussion that stays on topic? My point about “one child policy” was obvious. But for simpletons, like yourself, I guess I better spell it out. If we allow our population to grow unabated, the compounding growth rates become unsustainable. A 1% growth rate on 100M is only 1M. A 1% growth rate on 1B is 10M. 10M new citizens per year on top of a currnt population of 1B is unsustainable. Hence the reason china adopted the policy. Again, how about you actually research something rather than using emotions to make decsions. It is obvious you have nothing else to do. The Census bureau has projected the US population will hit 500M by 2060 and approach 1B by the end of the century under current immigraiton levels. So bury your head in the sand all you want that we will not hit 1B, or that we can easily provide for 1B with no consequences, but any person able to reason and think past the next 10 years knows better. NumbersUSA is a great source of immigraiton information if you care to broaden your liberal open border mind.

As for spelling out that I want to limit ALL immigration, I have no problem spelling that out, so I am not sure what you hoped to accomplish. I spelled out my reasons but you are to obtuse to understand them. BTW, I am betting you 100% supported mcamnesty addressing la raza. In fact, your shrill name calling makes me think you may be part of la raza (not capped for lack of respect, so again I guess I am a racist)

As for the rest, you just throw out platitudes and call me “racist, facist, and nazi”, blah blah blah. Once again the last ditch effort of a liberal to shut down reasoned arguments with name calling. Doesn’t work with me “my friend” (in case you did not get it the first time, I’m being fecious here). I have many friends from every nationality (asian, hispanic, and african American), and I assure you not one of them would be my friend if they thought I was racist.

You have absolutely no integrity or ability to reason. Emotions make your arguments and decisions. You name call not rebutt. You obfuscate issues. You use trawman arguments. But alas, fools never learn or see reality as it is.

Finally, if MM wants me to leave this site and/or not post, she merely has to ask. I would delete my ID and never post again. I would come back to read her articles though. I have nothing but the utmost respect for her since the first time I saw her on Oreilly. However, IR, think about this. If you notice most posters on this site have similar views to my own, not yours. That should tell you that the “real conservatives” are the majority here. Hmmm, so that makes you (hint: not a conservative)? Sorry I had to supply the obvious answer but you have proven your logic skills to be lacking.

I include legal AND illegal in “mass immigration”. I thought that would be clear but I guess not.

Sure it was clear.
I just wanted you to spell it out clearly in public so that everyone here including our hostess can see what racist pig you are.

But your snarky little responses tell me you are ok with any immgiration level as long as it is legal.

Yes I am.

The real question is, why aren’t you?

I respect every single immigrant who comes to this country through the front door, respects the laws of our land, and follows the correct path to citizenship.

Unlike you… a person who is obviously so obsessive, hate-filled and self-absorbed that you don’t have respect for anyone except yourself.

Well, “my friend”

I’m not your “friend”, so blow it out your arse.

You’re a vile, incredibly disgusting little fascist who makes me want to go take a shower every time we have an exchange.

whether you over populate the country via legal or illegal immigraiton it is the same outcome.

This country was built and populated by immigrants, idjit. Our founding fathers were immigrants.

Your problem is that you believe that any immigrant that doesn’t have white skin like you, is an inferior.

Throughout history we have had a couple of decades of mass immigration followed by moratorium. Our past leasers understood that we must allow time for the latest wave of immigrants to assimilate.

I never said we didn’t have a problem with illegal immigrants. We do.

But have a REAL problem with people like you who would deny Americans citizens their basic rights because you don’t like their ethnicity.

You lump everyone together and slap them with the “dirty Mexican” label. And you’re nothing less than a racist bigot.

There are many reasons to curb immigraiton levels back to historical norms (assimmilation reasons, absorbtion reasons, resource reasons, population growth reasons, etc). But logic tells us that at some point we will reach critical mass of population levels where control is completly lost.

Not likely, as this country does have immigration quotas.

Once we curb the flow of illegal immigrants coming into the country – and we will – deport illegals who have a criminal record with no chance for return, and strictly limit any further legal immigration to these quotas, the situation will begin to stabilize. Eventually older immigrants who have been living here for many years will pass on, right along with the rest of the baby boomer generation. Sure it will take some time, but it WILL happen.

All this screaming about “compromising the future of our children, driving up fuel prices, driving us into poverty, ruining our educational system, and compromising the environment” is nothing more than a smokescreen, a time-honored tactic that has long been favored by fascists to inspire prejudice and fear among the populus. Phrases like “critical mass” and “loss of control” are nothing more than alarmist rhetoric.

Why don’t you stop beating around the bush here and show some authenticity. Say what you mean, and say it plainly: you oppose immigration – ALL IMMIGRATION, EVEN LEGAL IMMIGRATION – because it might displace WHITE people.

China did not institute the “one child policy” for the h*ll o it. They saw that was the only way to stop the massive increase. Even a modest .5% growth off of 1.3B is 6.5M additional people per year to somehow feed and house. But of course, we should ignore all the warning signs to we can “feel good” about ourselves in the immediate term.

You applaud forced and coerced abortions and sterilizations, and the murder of infants, as methods of population control and economic management?

And you dare to come here call yourself a conservative.

Pardon me while I puke.

Let me guess… you’re a card carrying member of CAPS, right?

I guess my call for sane sustainable planned immigration levels though makes me a “xenophobe”. I am so ashamed for being so selfish as to want my children to have the same standard of living and quality of life I enjoy.

Cut the false piety, assh*le.

Some people here who don’t have the full picture might actually buy into your bull*, but I’m not one of them.

Your a neofascist racist bigot who is using Ms. Malkins’ blog as a platform to spread your vile poision to the unsuspecting, and you’re compromising her journalistic reputation to further your own perverted agenda.

And some intelligent conservatives are actually capable of CONNECTING THE DOTS.

Do Ms. Malkin and real conservatives and Republicans here a favor… LEAVE.

And take your fascist friends with you.

The real problem is that no politician wants to have the rest of the (bleeding-heart) world point their fingers at America and calling them “Nazis” or something for merely protecting their country and enforcing the laws.

I am 100% opposed to mass immigration first

Would that “mass immigration” that you’re opposed to be composed of legals, illegals, or both?

Answer the question.

On July 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pm, Irish Rose said:
On July 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, Weary Citizen said:

I agree with allowing the best and the brightest to immigrate (of course everything in moderation). They add tremendously to our economy and standard of living. But we do not need immigrants for “diversity” sake. I think we have plenty of diversity now. But tell me how an unskilled peasant from Guatemala or refugee from Somalia (or pick a european country)enrich me or the country? They don’t.
Good freaking grief.

Good Grief? I stand by my comments. They are not racist. Oh I see, you are one of those “nation of immigrants” people that are offended at every turn. Or maybe one of those, “you mean spirited guy who wants to pull the ladder up on the life raft since you are already on”. Oh, I bet you think Tancredo is a knickle dragging caveman. I swear, you are at best one of the so called “neo-con” that has “compassion” for everyone and wants to help the world and buy everyone a coke”. You are a liberal troll that is liek the pesky little dog nipping at your heals. You are so PC it is unbelievable. I am 100% opposed to mass immigration first. Second to immigration of anyone who will not add value to the system or worse have the system support them. I don’t care what their plight is frankly. If that is mean, then so be it. Look, we have 300M people here today. Our resources are stressed. Water rationing. Ground water pollution. Congestion. Sprawling cities. Loss of habitat and wide open spaces. etc. At what point do we say enough IR? When there is 500M? 1B? How about 2B? Yea, I bet we will have the same quality of life then. You think impossible. Well, the census bureau estimates our population to hit 500M by 2060 and approach 1B by the end of the century under current immigraiton policies. I just fail to see how that is good for us. You may want to sell out the future of your children to show how cooommpaaaasionate you are, but I am not. I simply want a reasonable and rational immigration policy based on rational and reasonble population growth targets. Not just go blindly over the cliff so people liek you can feel good about yourself. Got it?

I agree with allowing the best and the brightest to immigrate (of course everything in moderation). They add tremendously to our economy and standard of living. But we do not need immigrants for “diversity” sake. I think we have plenty of diversity now. But tell me how an unskilled peasant from Guatemala or refugee from Somalia (or pick a european country)enrich me or the country? They don’t.

Good freaking grief.

It’s relevant to the discussion so I’ll beg Michelles’ patience and simply C/P, as I don’t have the time or the patience to retype the whole thing.

Antisemitic fascism is on the rise again in Europe and has attached itself to the anti-jihad movement in order to re-enter the mainstream. The internet has opened up a whole new world of global communication, where ideas are expressed in an instant and accessible to nearly all. European fascists are now able to reach across the pond to hold hands with anti-Jew, anti-Muslim, anti-Latino anti-immigration White Nationalist “conservatives” in the states and the intensity of their effort is absolutely frightening.

It’s scary as hell, and true conservatives in this country who think that the days of the KKK are in the past just sit back and let it happen. They see White Nationalism in full flower with their own eyes, but their brains don’t seem to absorb what they’re seeing because they don’t want to see it.

I’ll say it again: intelligent, thinking Conservatives have to start being more aware of what is being said and done in the name of “conservatism”. And when they see anything that smacks of racist bigotry they need to SPEAK UP.

Because there are those among us who are anything but “Conservative”.

They’re here, folks… pay attention.