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Obama and McCain at La Raza: An open-borders lovefest

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 13, 2008 08:14 AM


La Raza twin powers…activate!

Barack Obama takes the podium at the National Council of La Raza/The Race tonight. John McCain will Hispander, as Mickey Kaus puts it so well, tomorrow.

It’ll be an open-borders lovefest for Obama, who was championed yesterday at The Race conference by L.A.’s zealous pro-illegal immigration mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa. You’ll recall that Obama is very, very proud to have marched “shoulder to shoulder” with shamnesty activists in the 2006 illegal alien May Day parade. ABI gives him a career grade of D- for his immigration voting record.

As I predicted in my column this week, the open-borders radicalism of The Race has been whitewashed out of the MSM’s coverage of the conference. See here. And here’s a La Raza propaganda op-ed that somehow manages to omit a single public policy fact about The Race’s agenda. See the 15 things you should know about The Race.

As for McCain’s appearance tomorrow, the Pittsburgh Tribune Review calls it “the biggest mistake of his 2008 presidential run.”

Look for McCain to parrot his idiotic “God’s children”, pay perfunctory lip service to “securing the border” which he doesn’t believe in, and use his Race conference appearance to grandiosely throw pro-enforcement conservatives under the bus.

There will be no Hermana Souljah moment.

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  1. #1
    On July 13th, 2008 at 8:25 am, old trooper said:

    America has turned a blind eye to it’s soviergnty and the rule of law. We are paying now and will pay dearly before America wakes up in a third world country that once was Our Home.

    The lesser of two evils. Not voting for a candidate but voting against the one that we fear the most.

    Sad business here.

  2. #2
    On July 13th, 2008 at 8:34 am, beenthere said:

    Note much that can be said here. If the Razis are “God’s Children,” what does that make the rest of us citizens? The Spawn of Satan? Certainly that is how the RINO establishment is treating us.

    As I have said before, this event crosses the line. The Razis are our enemy. Pandering to the enemy is treason. Draw whatever conclusions you wish from that.

  3. #3
    On July 13th, 2008 at 8:34 am, beenthere said:

    Not much that can be said here. If the Razis are “God’s Children,” what does that make the rest of us citizens? The Spawn of Satan? Certainly that is how the RINO establishment is treating us.

    As I have said before, this event crosses the line. The Razis are our enemy. Pandering to the enemy is treason. Draw whatever conclusions you wish from that.

  4. #4
    On July 13th, 2008 at 8:35 am, beenthere said:

    Sorry for the double post. I meant to correct “Note” and goofed again.

  5. #5
    On July 13th, 2008 at 8:45 am, graysonret said:

    When it comes to government securing our borders, the whole thing is a joke. We are so worried about offending someone or some people that we go out of our way to pander to whatever group needs it. It almost makes one want to throw up his hands and say just open the border wide, and let everyone in. Problem solved…much to the delight of politicians everywhere. But they can’t show their delight in public; have to keep up the sham that our borders are guarded.

  6. #6
    On July 13th, 2008 at 9:10 am, zorro said:

    I just threw away another RNC/Juan McCain mailing. The Republicans are a lost cause as far as I’m concerned. They deserve, dare I say, even earned the shellacking they are going to receive this November.

    I would hope that McCain would read your column “The 15 things you should know about The Race” but as mentioned numerous times here and at Hot Air, the GOP candidate is too arrogant and prideful to listen to the base. My bet is that tomorrow, he will tell conservatives to f-off again just for the applauds.

  7. #7
    On July 13th, 2008 at 9:12 am, MacEamonn said:

    What are we to do? Our choice for President is a left-wingnut or a moderate-wingnut! Both are willing to sell us out to groups and for causes that aren’t good for the country short term or long term because they think it’ll get them elected. I know I don’t have any answers!

  8. #8
    On July 13th, 2008 at 9:24 am, Boomer said:

    I was actually considering following the get drunk and vote McCain strategy, but I don’t think I can get that drunk and still stagger into my polling station. The treason of our political class is staggering as the “grumpy old man” and the “empty suit” panders to felons and those in the “Race” that enable them. No nation can survive that can’t or in this case won’t defend its borders from open invasion. Neither candidate gives a damn about the simmering anger of the average LEGAL American citizen on this issue and it will just be a matter of time before those of us that believe in the rule of law resort to taking the law into our own hands because those charged with enforcing our laws either can’t (usually due to Congressional or Executive interference) or won’t (due to bumbling bureaucracy).

  9. #9
    On July 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am, wise_man said:

    Obama and McCain at La Raza.

    Juan Hernandez, when the walls fell.

    Obama, the beast at Tanagra.

    Michelle Malkin, with fists closed.

    Angry conservatives, their face black, their eyes red.

    Juan McAmnesty, his eyes covered.

    Wiseman, with sails unfurled.

    Obama and McCain at La Raza.

  10. #10
    On July 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am, meatpieandtatters said:

    Man the gun towers! Isn’t this what some of the members have suggested? Calm and reason have been abandoned in favor of scathing attack. I don’t know who’s worse?

  11. #11
    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:09 am, right4life said:

    McObama for el presidente!!

    running on a platform of reconquista

    soon you yanqui imperialist dogs will be gringos in OUR country!!

  12. #12
    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:11 am, twiggman said:

    This great country is in a world of hurt.. I’m really, really afraid that we will not recover any time soon. Until the people stand up and say we are not going to take this crap anymore, and get rid of all the illegal loving polticatins…

  13. #13
    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:19 am, MacEamonn said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am, wise_man said:
    Obama and McCain at La Raza.

    Juan Hernandez, when the walls fell.

    Obama, the beast at Tanagra.

    Michelle Malkin, with fists closed.

    Angry conservatives, their face black, their eyes red.

    Juan McAmnesty, his eyes covered.

    Wiseman, with sails unfurled.

    Obama and McCain at La Raza.

    Somebody has been watching way too many reruns of Star Trek TNG (though that was an excellent episode) :~)

  14. #14
    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:21 am, babbledabble said:

    It doesn’t appear there is much we can do to stop the invasion & the US becoming the next third would country. No matter which of the two become President we are pretty much screwed. It truly scares me.

  15. #15
    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:35 am, Die Hippie, Die said:

    1. Because Obama and McCain are nearly indistinguishable on this issue, I’ll make my decision on other issues (e.g., taxes, judges, spending, defense).

    2. Because Obama and McCain are nearly indistinguishable on this issue does not mean they’re indistinguishable on other issues.

    3. This is Sparta America; we are not doomed.

  16. #16
    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:38 am, Travis McGee said:

    McCain could have hit Obama’s “make your kids learn Spanish so they can get jobs” remarks out of the park. He could have hammered this theme, and nobody would have noticed the Phil Gramm flap in the Raza storm.

    But because Juan McShamnesty has already sold out and bent over for Las Racistas, he was pre-neutered and missed his biggest slam dunk to date.

    What a moron. What an open borders traitor. We are so screwed.

  17. #17
    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:47 am, josetheguerilla said:

    We’re screwed in ‘08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. #18
    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:50 am, bit_boy said:

    The math of politics believes minorities win elections. Minorities also believe this same convolution and that is why McSwish will pander in any phone booth. Can’t we all be proud criminal immigrants are the fastest growing ethnic group in America. Being an ethnic majority, The Silent Majority Party, I see my vote as the winning block groups such as LaRaza can never compete in importance, going beyond political math, majority rules. That’s why not voting is just as important as voting. If your Juan McSwish and you don’t win a majority of the electoral college you are McLooser. I will not vote and that is an important choice and not a dereliction of duty regardless of what the McSwish bigots might rant. The Silent Majority has more members than the Democratic Party, Republican Party, and LaRaza combined, a long honored political alternative.

  19. #19
    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:52 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    What’s wrong with illegals? They’re nice people. You people are going to have to start acting like real Republicans and accept things the way they are.

  20. #20
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:07 am, DogBreath said:

    We’re Demmed if we do & Demmed if we don’t.

    The Book of Revelation only speaks about the survival of two things…Israel and the church.

    Zechariah & Revelation also speak about all nations turning against Israel. No exceptions.

  21. #21
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:07 am, greenfairie said:

    They even sent out e-mails at work promoting La Raza Con. I told a like-minded co-worker they’d never send out e-mails promoting a Klan rally. One of the biggest scams ever accomplished has been convincing the rest of los gringos that La Raza is just a sweet lil’ mainstream civil rights organization. Never mind it’s called “The Race!”

  22. #22
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:09 am, wise_man said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 10:35 am, Die Hippie, Die said: 2. Because Obama and McCain are nearly indistinguishable on this issue does not mean they’re indistinguishable on other issues.

    It’s really sad how so few conservatives are capable of understanding this obvious fact. It’s like, they see that McCain is horrible on this issue, and they want to make themselves feel better about not supporting him, letting Obama win, and then hoping that a more conservative candidate makes it next time around to rebuild the country. So then have to make McCain even worse in their minds in order to justify themselves and their plan to give the country to the democrats.

  23. #23
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:16 am, Speakup said:

    Oooooo…you cited Ruben.

    I love it when Janet and Celia puff up like toads and their eyes bug out on Fox.

    John McCain has some distorted notions about America and for someone who has given so much of himself for his country has a strange drive to diminish her ability to remain the free nation he gave so much to save.

  24. #24
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:16 am, LOBOMAN said:

    I wonder if the Obamarishi will be giving his speech in spainish?
    And will Juan McCain have Juan Hernandez give his speech for him?

  25. #25
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:26 am, longbow said:

    wise_man said:

    It’s really sad how so few conservatives are capable of understanding…

    wise_man, it’s really sad how you feel you must always attack other conservatives by belittling their intelligence and attributing motives to them that you just make up.

    If you’d stick to making good arguments (if you have any) you would not have to make your shtick ad hominem attacks. But maybe that’s the only type of arrow you have in your quiver…

  26. #26
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:28 am, Christian Soldier said:

    My R friends are at it again-

    with the same arguements that I have heard for 25 years-

    We HAAAAA VE to vote for the

    L-O-T-E

    because—look what will happen if _____ gets in!

    The SLIPPERY SLIDE mentality continues!

  27. #27
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:31 am, zorro said:

    Good point longbow. After all, a lot of conservatives (like me) are no longer republicans and no longer feel compelled to vote for the lesser of two evils just because one is a republican. To he77 with the GOP. If they want to pander to moderate democraps, good luck. I’ll just stick to being a conservative and suffer through this election cycle.

  28. #28
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:33 am, brooklyn red said:

    So, suppose Hillary shows up at the convention chanting Drill here now!, No to amnesty! Build the fence! Then what?

    Don’t put it past her…

  29. #29
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:36 am, Stubby said:

    I find it difficult to address this issue any longer. I can’t believe what I see and hear. Both candidates seem intent on the destruction of America and American values. They don’t care about the will of the citizenry. I live in the Los Angeles area and it has become a battleground. Every day I avoid, with much effort, a face to face confrontation with foreigners, mostly hispanics, but many middle-easterners, whose disdain for us and our laws seem to motivate their intense anti-American behavior. From refusing to learn English to ignoring every social courtesy, they flaunt their presence in the most offensive manner.

    The open border, LaRaza loving, illegal alien supporting policies go against all that is good about America. With elected officials like Villaraigosa and “Gavin” in SF, civil unrest is not only likely but unfortunately unavoidable.

    I originally felt that a vote against McCain and for Obama was the way to go. Now I have learned from these two that the PC thing to do is abstain, which I will gladly do until some future date when possibly a reasonable candidate might ever run.

    I fear this country is lost but feel fortunate to have lived the bulk of my life when the USA was at its best. I feel sorry for the next generation of Americans.

  30. #30
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:40 am, Pasadena Phil said:
  31. #31
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:44 am, radio relay said:

    I bet it won’t be a “lovefest” for McCain, either!

    Watch for “the race” to be polite, but cold to the “old maverick”. Even as he promises to hand over the western United States (kinda like Carter did with the Panama Canal).

  32. #32
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:44 am, DesertLover said:

    I keep waiting for someone … anyone … to ask McCain one simple question

    If the southern border invaders were from North Viet Nam, and included some of those responsible for his years of torture, would he be so flippant and uncaring about securing the border …

    I suspect his answer would be quite different …

    For now he is paying lip service to us all so he can possibly get in the White House and then it will be payback time for our uprising that ensured the failure of hie Shamnesty bill … he will ram it through congress, and down our collective throats, like a hot knife through soft butter …

  33. #33
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:46 am, BOB said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:36 am, Stubby said:
    I find it difficult to address this issue any longer. I can’t believe what I see and hear. Both candidates seem intent on the destruction of America and American values. They don’t care about the will of the citizenry. I live in the Los Angeles area and it has become a battleground. Every day I avoid, with much effort, a face to face confrontation with foreigners, mostly hispanics, but many middle-easterners, whose disdain for us and our laws seem to motivate their intense anti-American behavior. From refusing to learn English to ignoring every social courtesy, they flaunt their presence in the most offensive manner.

    The open border, LaRaza loving, illegal alien supporting policies go against all that is good about America. With elected officials like Villaraigosa and “Gavin” in SF, civil unrest is not only likely but unfortunately unavoidable.

    I originally felt that a vote against McCain and for Obama was the way to go. Now I have learned from these two that the PC thing to do is abstain, which I will gladly do until some future date when possibly a reasonable candidate might ever run.

    I fear this country is lost but feel fortunate to have lived the bulk of my life when the USA was at its best. I feel sorry for the next generation of Americans.

    Your post needs repeating…and I too count my blessings for having lived most of my life before the destruction of America.

  34. #34
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:46 am, beenthere said:

    . . . to make McCain even worse in their minds . . . to justify themselves and their plan to give the country to the democrats.

    I have to confess I have indeed worked very hard to “make McCain even worse in” my mind than he is, but darn it I keep failing. Try as I do, McCain always rises to the occasion and trumps me. I’m exhausted. I give up.

    And as for my “plan to give the country to the democrats,” just for the record the country does belong to the democrats. As the cliche goes, it’s their country: we just live here.

    For the moment.

  35. #35
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:49 am, normsrevenge said:

    Obaba speaks today and MCCain on Monday at Hispanderama 2008 - some local coverage below from the San Diego U-T

    Citizenship clinic draws a crowd

    La Raza and the “Ya Es Hora” (now is the time) drive

  36. #36
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:52 am, Rob said:

    wise_man said: It’s really sad how so few conservatives are capable of understanding this obvious fact. It’s like, they see that McCain is horrible on this issue and they want to make themselves feel better about not supporting him… …

    What happens in Iraq, taxes, etc. are important, sure, but what affects my EVERYDAY life and the safety of my family IS the number one issue… and that issue is the Mexican invasion. I worked hard to fight the enemy when the shamnisty bill was up for a vote, and that enemy was Juan McAmnesty.

    It is now hard to see him as anything but the enemy who not only supports but encourages this invasion and the destruction of the American way of life by listening to Juan Hernandez and pandering to La Raza.

    I will vote for him, but Juan McAmnesty will not get any support from me other than my vote… no money, no phone calls, nothin’…

    San Diego Union Tribune: [McCain] told [League of United Latin American Citizens] that he would pursue wide-ranging changes in immigration law “practically and humanely.”

    Practically and humanely.. sigh

  37. #37
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:59 am, love2rumba said:

    You know what… McCain just makes his election that much more impossible when he does this crap. The next POTUS will be the individual who picks the least offensive and most conservative (relatively speaking) VP..period.

    The election will be decided by early Septemeber.

    If McCain does end up in office (without a Supreme Court vote), it will be up to us to apply as much pressure as possible to him all the time without mercy on views we care about…and if some nabob from the RNC or this blog gets a hissy fit about that-scr@w him or her.

  38. #38
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:59 am, pueblo1032 said:

    The camel put his nose under the tent 50, maybe even 60 years ago. He had his head clearly inside by the 80s, when we passed the first AMNESTY BILL. As a result of our APATHY, and clueless elected officials, he now wants to sleep in bed with US. I myself, am as GUILTY as everyone I describe. However, when they did their MAY DAY MARCH in 2006, it woke me up. To have foreign nationals, and ILLEGAL ones at that, marching down the street waving MEXICAN FLAGS, and DEMANDING their rights certainly got my HEAD OUT OF MY BUTT… Prior to that I kind of IGNORED the obvious. Well, no more. This is a SERIOUS problem and we are the ones to take control of it. I still believe in the AMERICAN SYSTEM, and enough people LOUDLY VOICING their concern WILL get action. So PLEASE keep your voices LOUD and DO NOT GIVE UP!!!!

  39. #39
    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:59 am, prendad said:

    This is where La Raza and all the bleeding hearts for immigration want to take us. Watch and be warned: Immigration by the Numbers, features Roy Beck demonstrating the catastrophe of the huge numbers of both legal and illegal immigration by Third World people into the modern nations. He uses standard statistics and simple gumballs to show this disaster in the making.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265

  40. #40
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, Bhishma said:

    McCain had been an early supporter of a legalization program for the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants in the United States. During the primary, he distanced himself from that plan and said he had learned his lesson, that Americans want the border secured first.

    But now McCain has shifted his emphasis again, indicating that as president he would push for broad legislation that tackles all of the country’s immigration troubles, including the legalization question.

    .. after rejecting Tom Tancredo, R-CO, what did Americans expect? Now, Americans are going to vote to:
    - get stabbed or
    - get strangeled.
    Which is lesser of the two evils? Take your pick!

  41. #41
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, robhic said:

    Have you noticed how fashionable and ubiquitous it is for the invading illegals (and their US counterparts) to label each and every little thing that opposes them as “racist”?

    Don’t like the illegal aspect of their border-jumping? You’re a RACIST!

    Don’t want the illegals to have driver’s licenses? You’re a RACIST!

    Since when did opposing illegal, criminal activity become racist?

    Looks like the razas, while not wanting to bother to learn the language or follow the rules, have learned very quickly how blabbering “RACIST” to everything adds a negativity and hate component to the comments and points made by legal citizens.

    Yes, good ole Jesse Jackson and Al “Tawana” Sharpton have taught the new crop of lower-class citizens well…

  42. #42
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, love2rumba said:

    Wiseman said:

    It’s really sad how so few conservatives are capable of understanding this obvious fact. It’s like, they see that McCain is horrible on this issue, and they want to make themselves feel better about not supporting him, letting Obama win, and then hoping that a more conservative candidate makes it next time around to rebuild the country. So then have to make McCain even worse in their minds in order to justify themselves and their plan to give the country to the democrats.

    Wiseman, at some point with this candidate or another this year or in the future you will hit your limit of tolerating one liberal over another, and do what a lot of them have already decided to do which is not vote or vote third party.

    In other words don’t mock them too hard…you may find yourself in the same situation as the people you currently deride someday.

    Yes I’ve decided to vote McCain reluctantly, but I intend to be unrelentingly adversarial if he manages to get himself in office.

    The race is his to win or lose.

  43. #43
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, spidgy said:

    The overall quality of our workforce is diluting; this is not helping.

  44. #44
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, rambler said:

    We’ve all been thrown under the bus. I guess we didn’t have enough Americans on the dole so we needed to advertise in foreign countries to get more just to keep more gov bureaucraps employed. Wouldn’t want the gov to have outsource any of their jobs. I WANT “NONE OF THE ABOVE” ON THE BALLOT and I want it written in ENGLISH. For BO’s info, I already speak french and german - I WILL NOT LEARN SPANISH!!!!!!

  45. #45
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, wise_man said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 11:26 am, longbow said: wise_man, it’s really sad how you feel you must always attack other conservatives by belittling their intelligence and attributing motives to them that you just make up.

    If you’d stick to making good arguments..

    I don’t ‘attack other conservatives’ when I tell the truth. An Obama presidency and a McCain presidency are going to be as different as night and day. I do think that belittling their ‘intelligence’ is appropriate response when some people’s ‘intelligent’ decision not to support the republican who got the most votes in the republican primary by republican voters and is the only man who will oppose the democrat who wants to be, and stands a very good chance of being the next president this election.

    As for motives, that was a guess on my part. It might be right, it might be wrong. I have no way to test out my theory as to why some people behave the way they do. There is only one outcome to not supporting the republican candidate, when millions of democrats are going to be supporting their candidate.

    My “good argument” stands. Do what you can to make sure that Obama is not the next president. There is only one way to accomplish that goal, and that is to vote for the flawed candidate that is McCain.

  46. #46
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, wise_man said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, love2rumba said: Wiseman, at some point with this candidate or another this year or in the future you will hit your limit of tolerating one liberal over another,

    I completely sympathize with the people who dislike McCain. I am one of them. I didn’t vote for him in the primary when it came to my state. I’d like to see the primary system scrapped, and a different process that is fair to all of the people disenfranchised like me get a chance to have my vote matter. Until that point, I am a realist. And I can clearly see what these two people are, and which one is better, and which one is worse.

    If I was forced to vote between Hillary and Barack, I could see your point. But this is not a ‘Hillary or Barack’ choice.

    However McCain is no where near Obama. McCain sucks on this issue, and there are many other issues that are as important or greater to consider. If you doubt me, I suggest that you read the links that I just posted.

  47. #47
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, Freddy said:

    A choice of voting for yet another open border zealot, Obama OR McCain, is simply no choice at all. We need a candidate that cares about the American citizen, not a ‘candidate for the world’ that will sell us all out for a few bucks!

  48. #48
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    I want OUR MONEY $$$$$ back —you know the 5000000000000000000000$$$$$$$$$
    sent to the corrupt Mexican government to help manage its SOUTHERN BORDER!

    LOTE –Any one—–

    the slippery slide >>>>>

  49. #49
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    ..OH– and speaking of

    RAMOS
    &
    Compean

  50. #50
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, madchef said:

    What I don’t understand is why there isn’t more support from the black community to stop the flow of illegal aliens. With manufacturing jobs moving to China at an alarming rate coupled with the enormous amount of cheap labor sucking up blue collar jobs at home. Blacks have a much larger H.S. drop out rate than whites, and a much lower Percentage that go to college, thus a greater need for good paying blue coolar jobs.
    Ad to this the open season on blacks by latino gangs in places like LA. it should be a no brainer whos side they should be on.
    There are 435 house seats up for grabs in Nov. and 33 in the Senate. If we allow the Dems to gain seats we will be screwed.

  51. #51
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, MrScribbler said:

    So what’s being said here is that (as regards immigration policy) either candidate will represent a third term for Jorge Boosh?

    Despite all the nonsense about “BDS,” our current president is just as bad as McCain and Obama when it comes to wanting to throw the borders open.

    Voting for Osama Obama, he of the Silly Putty ideology, crooked and/or traitorous buddies and total lack of experience/accomplishments, will get us a leader whose pandering to La Raza may end up being his least damaging accomplishment.

  52. #52
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, JohnnyDilznik said:

    Gangsters, dropouts and racists. The latino culture is producing the fastest rising dirtbag genreation in history. I’m sure that this is what the parents of these morons dreamed of when they crossed the border. One shining thought. So goes the states so goes the country. The disgust is starting to mount on a local level. I will leave California and take my taxes with me. Pretty soon all the dirtbags will be looking at each other and wondering “who gonna pay?”.
    PS-for all you nit-wits that will tell me this is to harsh I work at ground zero in East LA. It is worse than you think.

  53. #53
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, MrScribbler said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    ..OH– and speaking of

    RAMOS
    &
    Compean

    As far as most posters here are concerned, I’m afraid the answer to the Ramos/Compean questions is “who?”

    Seems the only one who cares is Rep. Dana Rohrbacher, and he hasn’t been able to do a damn thing.

  54. #54
    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, Bhishma said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, Christian Soldier said:
    I want OUR MONEY $$$$$ back —you know the 5000000000000000000000$$$$$$$$$
    sent to the corrupt Mexican government to help manage its SOUTHERN BORDER!

    …. ask the POTUS/commander-in-chief, who left American southern border wide-open AND jailed duty-bound border-patrol agents COMPEAN & RAMOS, AFTER granting immunity to the mexican drug-dealer. If that is not a traitor, who is? Now, remember the lies about “Jobs Americans won’t do”?.
    Here is another: http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/?gclid=CMe_ieylvZQCFSUaagodYmL2Tg

  55. #55
    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, love2rumba said:

    Wiseman said:

    However McCain is no where near Obama. McCain sucks on this issue, and there are many other issues that are as important or greater to consider. If you doubt me, I suggest that you read the links that I just posted.

    I do not doubt you (and honestly never have doubted you).

    I am just making an “off the cuff” point that I think its time to spend our collective mutual energies as blog posters to fighting things we do not like than on one another.

    On January 2009 we are going to have to confront Obama or McCain as President and that will pose its own challenges for us as conservatives. Under no circumstances do I perceive Obama worthy of anyone’s vote. I do think its high time to begin working out what our options will be privately or by blog posts.

  56. #56
    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    Running from a battle for honor and country has never been my MO- However–I’m having second thoughts about staying in LA, CA….

    Tenn-N.C. are looking better and better.

  57. #57
    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    BTW–If the “great Satan” is sooooo imperialistic–How come we don’t OWN :

    Japan —Germany —Korea—- Italy—Iraq–Saudi Arabia —MEXICO—etc etc
    We send $$$$ to those who attack us (to help them rebuild)
    Didn’t the U.S. actually PAY Mexico (Spain) for CA-Texas-Arizona after we defeated them in battle?

    IMPERIALIST - The U.S is anything but!

  58. #58
    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, almeehan said:

    TN is good. I’m here! :-)
    An open borders moment. How closely do we screen those coming in? How do we deal with them in the criminal justice system? AMWanted feature a multiple child rapist attacking kids in theme parks in Orlando. After a long investigation and break the Brazilian was arrested. He appeared before Orlando judge Carole Freeman who felt it was more important for him to attend to his family business than protect the kids so she had an ankle bracklet put on him and released him! Of course he cut the bracelet and has disappeared. Are your kids safe? Not with this judge and this border crashing child rapist on the loose. Heaven help us.

  59. #59
    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, Dandapani said:

    So far nothing convinces me to vote for McCan’t. I sure as heck not voting for Obama. So it’s 3rd party or pres vote this fall. Which sends the strongest message to the RINO-NC?

  60. #60
    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, Dandapani said:

    “So it’s 3rd party or NO pres vote this fall.”

    ETA…

  61. #61
    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, Rob said:

    JohnnyDilznik #50 said: “PS-for all you nit-wits that will tell me this is to harsh I work at ground zero in East LA. It is worse than you think.”

    I’m here in Southern Mexifornia with you Johnny. I have posted this link before, but no one seems to notice. Look at the racial breakdown of the Los Angeles school system now. This is coming to a city near everyone soon. LOOK HERE

  62. #62
    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, Lockstein13 said:

    One can only hope that McCain does indeed Hispander…that is to say, telling the voters what they want to hear to win their votes, but then to enact the policies you wish to anyway after the election. Call it cynical, but this is national politics, after all….

    Like I said, “one can only hope.”

  63. #63
    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Well, it’s time to say, in regards to this issue, I am, a racist. There, that being said I can freely fight La Raza and it’s supporters, Anglo and otherwise, with everything I have in my arsenal( figuratively, of course) I will NOT vote for a President but will continue to fight at the local level where the battle REALLY is at this moment.

  64. #64
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, Bill Grant said:

    Gee, if you are not going to vote for the Republican, doesn’t that make you a “RINO”????

    No matter how you slice it the immigration problem isn’t going to be solved by either of these 2 candidates. therefore, it might be a good idea to resolve yourself to having to do some work and look at their stands on other issues when you make your decision.

    We are going to have to get off our asses and match/better the open borders efforts. Of course, that is inherently more difficult then throwing a temper tantrum on the internet but that is the choice. Blaming McCain for a problem that has been 30 years in the making isn’t fair or productive.

  65. #65
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:13 pm, zorro said:

    Gee, if you are not going to vote for the Republican, doesn’t that make you a “RINO”????

    No, because I am no longer a registered republican. The GOP is now Democrap Lite. I am a conservative and dislike both national parties. You can vote for McCain, I will not, fair enough?

  66. #66
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:15 pm, Bill Grant said:

    “So it’s 3rd party or pres vote this fall. Which sends the strongest message to the RINO-NC?”

    Neither. Writing letters, making phone calls, sending e-mails, organizing, pounding on doors,giving contributions to those who you agree with and withholding them from those you don’t, demanding accountability, using your voice… those send a message.

    Sitting at home/writing in Goldwater just makes you look like a flake.

  67. #67
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, Rob said:

    Bill Grant #63 said: Writing letters, making phone calls, sending e-mails, organizing, pounding on doors,giving contributions to those who you agree with and withholding them from those you don’t, demanding accountability, using your voice… those send a message.

    I did that last year against McAmnesty, Kennedy, Ghramnisty, and the other communists, and look what I got for my efforts… MCAMNESTY!

    What a “message” I sent… sigh

  68. #68
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, Bill Grant said:

    I am a conservative and dislike both national parties.

    I am an American and don’t want to see the country turned in to a craven, appeasing, surrendering, groveling socialist nanny state. I also happen to be a consirvative. That is why I am voting to keep Obama out.

    “You can vote for McCain, I will not, fair enough?”

    Sure, there are lots of people who wont be voting republican, just don’t kid yourself that there is anything consirvative about helping to elect Barack Obama.

  69. #69
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, Bill Grant said:

    “I did that last year against McAmnesty, Kennedy, Ghramnisty, and the other communists, and look what I got for my efforts… MCAMNESTY!”

    Amnesty, amnesty everywhere! So, take your bat and your ball and go home? This is the USA we are talking about. Where would we be if people just gave up on the country when they didn’t get everything they wanted?

  70. #70
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, Freddy said:

    A choice of voting for yet another open border zealot, Obama OR McCain, is simply no choice at all.

    There are other issues :roll: where the two differ (e.g., taxes, Iraq, Supreme Court, drilling in CONUS)

    We need a candidate that cares about the American citizen, not a ‘candidate for the world’ that will sell us all out for a few bucks!

    If you feel that way, we all get to do it again in ‘12.

  71. #71
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:30 pm, Bob in Myrtle Beach said:

    I so much need to hear Fred Thompson say “Screw it! I’m running again!”

  72. #72
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, zorro said:

    Bill, no doubt Obama will be a very bad experience for America. We lived through the Jimmy Carter years, we will probably make through the Obama years too.

    But if McCain and his supporters think that they can win with White House by being a bit more like democraps, it ain’t gonna happen. McCain cannot out democrap democraps. He has abandoned the republican base and really does not expect conservative support.

    If the blue blood country clubbers (republicans) continue on their present tack I think a viable 3rd party will emerge in a few years. I’m through with them. I’ve vote republican all my life and what has it gotten us post-Reagan? Nope, I’ll vote for the local/state issues but to he77 with McCain.

  73. #73
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, Dandapani said:

    Which sends the strongest message to the RINO-NC?

    If you “want to send a message” to any candidate, a well-reasoned, spell-checked, grammatically correct letter or e-mail is your best bet.

    Why do you believe that 1) a message sent through a non-vote will be noticed and 2) assuming it is noticed, will be interpreted properly?

  74. #74
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, purplepeep said:

    Bill Grant said:
    Blaming McCain for a problem that has been 30 years in the making isn’t fair or productive.

    What McCain is being correctly blamed for being the ringleader of his historically massive Giveaway-America Amnesty attempts in the Senate. He was/is the “damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!” tyrant-leader of that mob, Obama was just another follower.

  75. #75
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:42 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, zorro said:

    Bill, no doubt Obama will be a very bad experience for America. We lived suffered through the Jimmy Carter years, we will probably make suffer through the Obama years too.

    Just because America “made it through” the Great Depression doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be doing everything in our power to avoid a repeat.

    I’d like to meet all Republicans who stayed home in 1976 because they believed Ford wasn’t conservative enough. I owe every one of them a Jesse Jackson to their Obamanads.

    Same for those who stayed home in 1992 and 1996 because 41 and Dole weren’t “conservative enough.”

  76. #76
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:42 pm, nuss said:

    Michelle, all of the good people on these blogs are preaching to the choir, which is us. The problem is, how in hell do we get through to these misguided politicians and libs who simply don’t understand? Our message is written on the wind and is as meaningless to the libs and pols as a pig’s scream in a slaughter house. Instead of simply repeating our mantra, we need to “strategerize” on how to get our message to a larger audience. The people on this blog are obviously very intelligent, but they need to concentrate their intellecutal powers on ways to reach a broader audience of television watchers, etc. who pay attention to the world on a catch-as-catch can basis. How do we grab them by the throats, slap them around until they listen, and then, of course, make up their own minds about the state of things. I think your bloggers are too self directed…they are smart, but seem to have decided that there is nothing we can do but bitch about it and try to make up clever responses to the current news from the MSM. Dammit..they are better than that…organize and do something productive.

  77. #77
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, sbw999 said:

    Barack Obama takes the podium to remove any question whatsoever about his intention to sell out his Country at the National Council of La Raza/The Race tonight. Not to be outdone John McCain will try to outdo OBama in selling us out, and will finally commit political suicide Hispander, as Mickey Kaus puts it so well, tomorrow.

  78. #78
    On July 13th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    Ok, Conservitives do your homework, it’s your job as Conservitive Citizens of the U.S.Republic to read and study each platform and make an informed decision. IMO, you do not make a decision based on one issue you disagree with but all issues and I will not be disrespectful to those who do or don’t choose to vote for POTUS.

    John McCain’s Platform
    Barack Obama’a Platform

    Bhishma said:
    …. ask the POTUS/commander-in-chief, who left American southern border wide-open AND jailed duty-bound border-patrol agents COMPEAN & RAMOS, AFTER granting immunity to the mexican drug-dealer. If that is not a traitor, who is? Now, remember the lies about “Jobs Americans won’t do”?.
    Here is another: http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/?gclid=CMe_ieylvZQCFSUaagodYmL2Tg

    This stuff belong’s on The Daily KOS, Vince Bugliosi was against the SCOTUS Clinton vs. Jones decision to prosecute Clinton for Perjury and the Bush vs. Gore decision that dedided the 2000 election.

    If you want to prosecute Bush for “War Crimes” then you’ll have to drag Congressman, Senator’s and other World leader’s into court along with him. Tin hat anyone? :wink:

  79. #79
    On July 13th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, purplepeep said:

    Blind_Mule said:
    it’s your job as Conservitive Citizens of the U.S.Republic to read and study each platform

    Nope, Mule, tou’ve got it bass-ackwards. It’s the candidate’s job to stand up and tell Americans why they should vote for them. If they are unable or unwilling to do so, it’s not up to anyone to scour through position papers that were written by someone on their staffs solely to pander to the audience du jour.

  80. #80
    On July 13th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    purplepeep said:
    Nope, Mule, tou’ve got it bass-ackwards. It’s the candidate’s job to stand up and tell Americans why they should vote for them.

    I agree, that it is the candidates job to tell me why I should vote for them, but I also believe it is my job and responsibility to inform myself and make a reasonable decision from that information, voting records, past statments (flip flop or not) against present statements etc… you get the idea. So we obviously disagree on this point, so be it. I still like you though. :smile:

  81. #81
    On July 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    purplepeep said:
    If they are unable or unwilling to do so, it’s not up to anyone to scour through position papers that were written by someone on their staffs solely to pander to the audience du jour.

    Ooops, hit submit to soon. So who’s writing their speech’s? :lol:

  82. #82
    On July 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pm, DesertLover said:

    Blind_Mule and purplepeep

    You are both correct … in today’s political environment it requires both of your approaches to make an informed and reasonable decision …

    The candidates can tell us all day what they want to do … but with the bias of the MSM you will only hear all positive and no negative on one side and only part of the positive and all of the negative relating to the other side …

    As a result that means everyone had best be doing some research on their own if they want to hear both sides of the story …

  83. #83
    On July 13th, 2008 at 3:41 pm, brooklyn red said:

    …”solely to pander to the audience du jour“…

    audiencia del día in this case…

  84. #84
    On July 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pm, purplepeep said:

    purplepeep said:
    So we obviously disagree on this point, so be it. I still like you though.

    Yeah, I’m just so dang lovable!

    But you can take heart in how the polling trend is going. Even with his Fred Thompson-ish non-campaign McCain is now either in a statisical or actual even match with Obama. Rasmussen, the most reliable, has it as a 43-43 % tie.

    I think Obama is reaching the oversaturation media-celeb selling point, if he hasn’t already. And factor in his ongoing flip-flops & gaffes into that equation, too.

    This is where, as the WaPo writer observed, McCain is making his “biggest mistake” (so far) with the La Raza romance. He could win even with his non-campaign style, but if he does things that further discourages the GOP base he loses some important percentage points. It’s a bad risk that makes no sense at all.

  85. #85
    On July 13th, 2008 at 3:55 pm, purplepeep said:

    brooklyn red said:

    …”solely to pander to the audience du jour“…

    audiencia del día in this case…

    I sit El Corrected, Red.

    Hey, I bet the old cartoon character “El Kabong” would be mucho politically incorrecto nowadays!

    You Tube - El Kabong Strikes Again

  86. #86
    On July 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    purplepeep said:
    Yeah, I’m just so dang lovable!

    Don’t forget yummy too. :lol:

  87. #87
    On July 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm, Bill Grant said:

    “Bill, no doubt Obama will be a very bad experience for America. We lived through the Jimmy Carter years, we will probably make through the Obama years too.”

    When we were living through the Jimmy Carter years we were not fighting a 2 front war against a committed enemy that wants to see us destroyed. We were not 10 trillion dollars in debt.

    We simply can not afford a surrendering/appeasing, tax and spend and bankrupt disaster at this juncture and that is what Obama is.

    “If the blue blood country clubbers (republicans) continue on their present tack I think a viable 3rd party will emerge in a few years. I’m through with them. “

    Blue blood country clubbers? I am a republican because I believe in individualism, the constitution and personal responsibility. I am also a republican because Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha and Harry Reid are democrats. I am not a “blue blooded country clubber” I am a loyal American. Indeed, the last time I saw the phrase “blue blooded country clubber” I was snooping around over at the democratic underground.

  88. #88
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, Bill Grant said:

    “Nope, Mule, tou’ve got it bass-ackwards. It’s the candidate’s job to stand up and tell Americans why they should vote for them.”

    As a citizen of the country it is your job to inform yourself. The fact that so many expect the information to be spoon fed to them is one of the biggest problems this country faces.

    If they are unable or unwilling to do so, it’s not up to anyone to scour through position papers that were written by someone on their staffs…

    People have given their lives to preserve your freedom and right to have a say in your government.

  89. #89
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, brooklyn red said:

    purplepeep, thanks for the laugh! but re: “Hey, I bet the old cartoon character “El Kabong” would be mucho politically incorrecto nowadays!”

    And that’s the difference between BHO & McCain, McCain
    politically incorrecto gets you fined… BHO’s gets you re-educated.

  90. #90
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:19 pm, purplepeep said:

    Blind_Mule said:
    purplepeep said:
    Yeah, I’m just so dang lovable!
    Don’t forget yummy too.

    Y’know, I didn’t know that’s what those little critters where called up into maybe a year ago. I’d gobbled my share of ‘em at Easter time, but had no idea of their nomenclature!

    (My handle is a combo hattip to a 50s novelty pop tune and a great 70s football defensive line.)

  91. #91
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:34 pm, purplepeep said:

    Bill Grant said:

    “Nope, Mule, tou’ve got it bass-ackwards. It’s the candidate’s job to stand up and tell Americans why they should vote for them.”

    The fact that so many expect the information to be spoon fed to them is one of the biggest problems this country faces.

    You’re welcome to wade into as many internet position papers as you want to find out what a politician “has to say”, Bill. Most folks likely wise up after the second promised “chicken for every pot”, though.

    People have given their lives to preserve your freedom and right to have a say in your government.

    Yup indeed, Bill - that’s why I say the politicians have to earn the citizen’s vote. Like freedom and rights, it’s not cheap and it’s not a “free gift”.

  92. #92
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, zorro said:

    Indeed, the last time I saw the phrase “blue blooded country clubber” I was snooping around over at the democratic underground.

    You ought to listen to Rush more often, he uses the phrase quite a bit these days. After all, with the national GOP, conservatives are out, Rockefeller blue blood country clubbers are in.

  93. #93
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:42 pm, PJ said:

    Did you see Linda Chavez on Lou Dobbs the other night? “La Raza” is no longer going by that divisive name. Some Americans actually recognize it as racist.
    So now Chavez and others of her ilk are referring to this anti-USA bunch as “the National Council of La Raza” or “NCLR”. Isn’t that cute? Sorta like the Anti-Citizens Lawyers Union calling itself the ACLU. Both are out to destroy the USA.

  94. #94
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:44 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    This 50’s tune
    and this defensive line?

    I used to be a Vikings fan.

    My handle is derived by the fact that I am legally blind and some of my friend precede my name with Blind and the Missouri state animal is the Mule thus Blind Mule. :lol:

  95. #95
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, franksalterego said:

    Michelle Malkin, with fists closed.
    –wise_man, On July 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    Yes,

    Like Danica Patrick, comin’ down pit lane at Indy, all bent out o’shape, after gettin’ bumped in the pits.

    BUWAHAHAHAH !!!

  96. #96
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:47 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    PJ said:
    Did you see Linda Chavez on Lou Dobbs the other night? “La Raza” is no longer going by that divisive name. Some Americans actually recognize it as racist.
    So now Chavez and others of her ilk are referring to this anti-USA bunch as “the National Council of La Raza” or “NCLR”. Isn’t that cute? Sorta like the Anti-Citizens Lawyers Union calling itself the ACLU. Both are out to destroy the USA.

    Yes, what a crock, I heard it on Laura Ingram’s new show on Fox.

  97. #97
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:49 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    Add :
    Tom Manion to the list of honorable patriots who have chosen to serve –by running for office–and for whom we can –Nation -wide- give our support via $$$:

    Veterans:
    Tom Manion
    William “Bill” Russell
    Alan West

    and true conservative:
    Tom McClintock

    I encourage nation-wide support for honorable people.

  98. #98
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, Christian Soldier said:
  99. #99
    On July 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    PSS:
    Money$$$ equals ACTION which speaks louder than talk-talk-talk.

  100. #100
    On July 13th, 2008 at 5:23 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Uhhhh, speaking of “the National Council of La Raza” or “NCLR”…

    what ever happened to the “well regulated militia” part ??? Cause that’s where we are going…

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