In your and everyone’s heart, you’ve got to have a clear mind and really vote for the person who you think is better for the nation.

Agreed.That is why I am voting for Pastor Chcuk Baldwin of the Constitution Party. Voting for mcamensty in order to keep obummer from winning is not voting for the best person for the nation. It is what it is. Voting against someone else. And again, if i believed that an obummer victory would destroy the nation over 4 years, I would be with you. But I don’t beleive that so I can’t support mcamensty due to his continued hispandering and commitment to “comprehenisive ILLEGAL immigration” reform.

Barack Obama is very liberal, and now that he has clinched his party’s nomination, he is moving toward the center. While Obama may claim more centrist views closer to the national election, anyone who has been paying attention so far knows what motivates him. McCain has never claimed to be a strong conservative. He received more votes than Thompson, Giuliani… and now this election is down to two people.

This constant bickering between conservatives I can see as being a blessing to democrats who want Obama to win. In your and everyone’s heart, you’ve got to have a clear mind and really vote for the person who you think is better for the nation.

On July 14th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, wise_man said:

Unfortunately, my eyes are wide open. I have never seen such a p*ss poor bunch of candidates in my life. Oh well. But you have to admit, mcamnesty’s stupid stunts like adressing la raza, isn’t helping his case wiht conservatives any. He REALLY needs some better advice. It’s one thing to talk with the group its quite another to take valuable time to give a speech to them, while at the same time poking 80% of your party’s base in the eye. Its as if he doesn’t want to win.

I don’t beleive the country will be destroyed under 4 years of obama. I may be wrong, but I hope not. Therefore, I am thinking long term and what it is goign to take to stop this slow death march to the left by all parties.

I gathered that this is what so many people here believe.

As long as you understand what we are all going to be getting.

On July 14th, 2008 at 3:24 pm, wise_man said:

I can not understand how ANYONE could say obama is best for the country. He isn’t. Mcamnesty for all his warts, when everything is taken into account, is better than obama (I won’t say a lot better but better nonetheless). And if this election was the last one ever, I would concede to mcamensty. But I don’t beleive this is a do or die moment for the country. I don’t beleive the country will be destroyed under 4 years of obama. I may be wrong, but I hope not. Therefore, I am thinking long term and what it is goign to take to stop this slow death march to the left by all parties. So either a conservative arises in 4 years as a challenger from the GOP that I can support (borders/language/culture), or a 3rd party has more time to build a base (not saying viable at that time but more and more peopel will begin to feel disenfranchised). I suppose the big difference in our opinions really boils down to the perspective of timing and what that means over the next POTUS term. You feel the country can’t last an obummer presidency, while I beleive it will (maybe severely injured) survive. As such, I just can not vote for mcamnesty and validate the gop new paradigm of drifting leftward to pick up more moderate dem votes.

After George W Bush’s dad broke the ‘no new taxes’ pledge, many people voted for Ross Perot to send a message. That vote split between people that actually voted for Bush, and Perot, and Bill Clinton was elected. Twice. And then the next president was Bush’s son, W.

It went from Reagan, to Bush Senior, to W. Not a step forward. And it was certainly a step back with eight years of the Clintons. I’d really like to see stronger conservative candidates impress the voters of the republican primaries and win.

In my opinion, allowing Obama to win is not acceptable. Others have their opinions. I can’t change them, we can only discuss facts and how we interpret those facts. When it comes to opinions, they need to be based on a strong flow of logical frameworks to be able to justify these opinions.

While McCain is such a great distance from being a conservative, he is no where near Obama. Some people are one issue voters. They will only vote for pro-life candidates, no matter what else the candidate is for. Besides international terrorism, I can’t think of a stronger issue than border security and finding and prosecuting illegal immigrants who break our laws and steal our citizens identities. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why the federal government can’t enforce our laws when cities declare themselves sanctuary cities.

If the federal government can surround and take down the branch dividian cult for breaking the law, then they can do everything up to surrounding the city of sand francisco buildings with tanks and force them to follow the rule of law.

Again, if there is a way to force McCain to change his views, I’m all for it. If you or anyone else thinks that Obama will be just the same as McCain you are really mistaken. McCain is rotten on this subject but in the hundreds of policy positions and their ability to become the president, commander in chief and everything else that comes with the job, then the possibility of Obama really isn’t something that is up for debate. We know what he’s going to do.

I can’t see any scenario where Obama could ever be best for the country.

On July 14th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, wise_man said:

OK. I respect your choice. We must agree to disagree on the subject. I won’t argue the subject any longer. Gets tiresome for me since it is purely a subjective choice based on one’s own priorities. I know from other discussions that you a conservative who is trying to do what is best for the country. Me as well, we just come at it in a differnet manner.

Well, if you want to be part of electing a LIBERAL, knock yourself out.

That’s why I am going to participate in voting against a liberal Obama and voting for a flawed candidate who is the only other person in a two man election to be president.

On July 14th, 2008 at 12:05 pm, wise_man said:

Well, if you want to be part of electing a LIBERAL, knock yourself out. Even more so, in 4 years when the repubs trot out a “HRC” as their next nominee. I don’t care if I am the only person who votes for the Constitution Party. Your whole premise of electing mcamensty is based on suppostions that he will play nice with conservatives once in office. I base my decision on his past actions and his current rhetoric.

We can either start the long arduous process of producing a viable conservative 3rd party now, or we can start it later. The sooner the better since each day, the liberal base grows as a result of immigriaton (legal and illegal). Continuing to vote for a repub party that has and will continue to drift left on issues, violates the sunk cost paradigm of business. No point contiuing to pour resources and votes into the party until they show, with actions, they are ready to stop poking the conservative base in the eye. In other words, time to cut our losses.

People who study elections only laugh at these people who are nothing more than footnotes while everyone else participates in the actual election.