McCain at The Race conference: Capitulation complete; Update: Juan Hernandez to broker meeting with Morones?
As expected, John McCain’s appearance at the annual convention of La Raza/The Race yielded no Hermana Souljah moments. Ed Morrissey points to McCain’s mild, almost apologetic rejoinder to open-borders zealot Enrique Morones and compares it to Barack Obama’s embrace of the radical activist. That’s a relief. But it’s the very least we could expect of a Republican candidate. And when you watch the clip Ed posted, you’ll notice that in response to Morones blasting our Border Patrol agents as killers, there is not an explicit word of support from McCain for the thousands of men and women who try to enforce our immigration laws–men and women Barack Obama accuses of terrorism. Instead, McCain echoes Morones and La Raza’s talking points about the need for “humane” and “compassionate” enforcement and commits himself to “stop the inhumane raids.”
Translation: No enforcement.
For a stark illustration of McCain’s double talk at La Raza/The Race yesterday, here he is telling an audience member that he’ll support the DREAM Act–after telling conservative bloggers that he would have voted no on cloture for the bill “because he ‘got the message’ this summer that Americans want the border secured before we ‘go on to the rest.’” Uh-huh. McCain was AWOL for that cloture vote last October. He was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act.
I’d say my pre-event translation yesterday was dead on.
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Allah begs to differ with me on McCain and the DREAM Act. Gabriel at Ace thinks I’ve been “taken in.”
Yes, I know what McCain said in the rest of his answer, not shown on the clip, about securing the border first. Anyone who believe that is the one who’s being taken in. He led conservatives to believe that he opposed it. He told his friends at La Raza that he supports it. All the rest is noise.
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Reader Edgar M. e-mails:
On a Mexican radio program on 1420 AM in Tijuana hosted by Odilon Garcia, Morones called in and gave more information on what Morones and McCain talked about after their public conversation took place.
Morones told Garcia that while McCain was talking on the microphone about the fact that drug smugglers are using migrants to cross over illegal drugs, Morones told him that the United States should stop the demand for illegal drugs.
After McCain ended his Q and A session, Morones and McCain spoke face to face and McCain told him about the need for Border Security. Morones asked the Senator to meet with him privately without cameras so Enrique could make the point that Immigration raids are “separating families” and border walls are “killing immigrants”. He told the Senator to ask Enrique’s good friend Juan Hernandez, whom Enrique had dinner the night before, to set up the private meeting. McCain told him that he would. Enrique said that he would ask McCain to sign an executive order to stop Immigration raids.
Enrique then adds, that he called Juan Hernandez about the mistake the McCain campaign is doing by portraying the picture of John McCain with the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe in the background at the NCLR convention. Morones then told the story that on Saturday some students called him at the convention that they were upset with the McCain booth having a picture of Senator McCain with the Virgin of Guadalupe because the senator was using the image of the virgin for political purposes. One of the students took the picture and ran away. Some security officers ran off and caught the student but that the picture was not hung back. The next day the picture was not seen and Morones called that a victory.
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Man I hate that “xenophobic” crap (I know you are not throwing that out htere like a liberal though). I understnad where Rob is coming from. I don’t like to call out any nationality as the sole problem. However, in his case, the nationality of the immigrants is clear. I am against the mass immigraiton policy of today. The sheer numbers are overwhelming the traditional culture and language of our country, as well as the environment. Mass immigration in the past was always followed by a moratorium to allow for assimilation. Usually 2 decades. This immigration wave has been going on for 40 years and is completley changing the landscape of our country. I call it common sense to question the mass immigration policies of today and evaluate if they are adding value to american citizens. Not “fear” as xenophobe implies. Please read some of the excellent material put out by NumbersUSA.com to see the myriad of problems caused by mass immigration and get facts you will never see from the PC MSM. Finally, in every non-muslim country that has had a massive wave of muslim immigrants, violence and civil unrest have followed as they sought to force their own will upon the natives. So, making a general sweeping statement that all and any amount of legal immigration is good, is frankly naive. I would argue that some cultures (agreed not a nationality) should not be allowed to come in any great number. We must not allow our compassion and romantic notions of immigration to cloud our judgement and lose sight of our ultimate goal. A better future and standard of living for our decendents. Which I fail to see materializing if we allow our population to hit 1B as predicted by the beginning of next century by The Census Bureau. Again, great stats that will open your eyes at NumbersUSA.com.
I agree with you. We don’t just call this the melting pot for nothing.. because NOTHING is what is happening. March with Mexican flags demanding, DEMANDING rights. No assimilation…
McAmnesty and the Obamasiah were pandering to a LOT of citizens at the Mexican “The RACE” rally yesterday. Those Mexicans want more and more illegls and more and more of my tax money and more and more of our neighborhoods and towns.
I don’t care of your feelings are hurt. You can rant all you want. If your mommy waves Mexian flags and marches in the streets demanding her rights… if you are getting my tax money to take care of your baby. Then you ARE what I am talking about and I don’t want you here. If you are assimilating and fly the American flag.. then you can stay. Gracious of me, huh?
For you maybe, but I am voting a straight Libertarian ticket and encourage more citizen’s to do the same. I certainly am not giving McCain a mandate to open our borders even wider.
Please forgive some of my misspellings this morning on some of my posts -I have to go now.
Agreed. I dont like calling someone a racist, a bigot, or a xenophobe…but you’re right as far as i’m not throwing it around like liberals.
I agree that immigration needs to be very closely examined and make sure its appropriate by the numbers. But i’d take 100 legal immigrants over 1 illegal 12 days a week, in all 58 states
Weary Citizen …thanks. I get a little too passionate I guess about something that won’t be fixed. I just know how it was, can see what it has become, and know what it will be… and I get tired of the ostriches that just shout racist and xenophobe when they don’t like what is said.
We do have a problem with illegal immigration in this country, and I don’t support the agenda of La Raza.
But why do we have to be inhumane to get the job done?
I honestly don’t see anything wrong with humane and compassionate enforcement of the law. These are people that we’re talking about after all, not cattle, and there are frequently innocent children involved.
We can enforce our immigration laws just fine, without being “inhumane”. We do it by enacting legislation that will stop the flow of illegal immigrants now. We do it by automatically deporting any illegal with a criminal record and not allowing them to return.
We can then find a way to hold illegals that are already living here in this country accountable for obtaining their US citizenship within a strict and specified timeframe, so that their children here in the US do not have to grow up in poverty without a mother or a father.
Can we do this? I think that we can. And I think that we should.
I realize that my opinion might be unpopular here, but I see no reason to ruin the lives of innocent children. However we as a nation decide to deal with immigrants who are already here in the US, we simply must not lose sight of the fact that there are innocents involved who do not deserve to have their lives destroyed.
Deporting a an undocumented immigrant who has a family with young children is a cruel, short-term solution that has very serious long-term ramifications. It hurts both the parent, and the child(ren). If we can avoid doing this for the sake of the children invovled, then we should. If a parent hasn’t begun the process of earning their citizenship within a specificed timeframe, then the law will be clear… they’ll have to go. Then and only then, should the process of deportation take place.
It’s a far better thing to enforce the laws of our land while still treating human beings like human beings. When we forget how to do that, when we dehumanize other human beings in the name of “law enforcement”, we lose a part of our own humanity.
An overhaul of our immigration laws and better enforcement of those laws are necessary, no doubt about it. But conservatives and Republicans should not be in the business of advocating the dehumanization of other human beings.
It has to be done, but it must be done humanely.
My two cents.
His wife owns a beer company. (o:
At his age he probably won’t make two terms.
His wife owns a beer company. (o:
Nobama’s wife scares me
Did I mention McCan’ts wife owns a beer company?
It’s an insult that I have to even attempt to convince ‘conservatives’ to vote for McCain and help to keep Obama out of the whitehouse.
These two links simply point the reader to two pages that illustrate that Obama is the most liberal, where McCain is no where near Obama, and is more conservative than most people here give him credit for.
This is what everett_mansfield is talking about… Here
To all those that are going to vote Libertarian, write in a candidate, or stay home:
I am a conservative and I’m a Republican. This is my party and I refuse to give it up any more than I am willing to abandon my country. I will vote for the most conservative candidate that has a legitimate chance of winning the presidency. I will let the RNC know through my donations (or lack thereof) and letter writing the direction I expect them to take. If you give up the party to the lefties, the damage may be irreparable. Remember, the ship can’t be righted if the crew jumps overboard.
On July 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, Mister P said:
A vote for Rosanne’s dad is certainly a wasted vote.
I don’t think we can use the National Journal’s or the American Conservative Union’s results as a cut ‘n’ dry measure on conservative credentials for McCain. Yes. 80 looks much better than 65 the previous year for him. But, if we go back and look at the issues on which he missed the votes, where was he leaning with his public pronouncements on those issues, like the Dream Act cloture vote he missed. Yet he was a co-sponsor of that particular piece.
Yes. Obama is worse. I know and don’t disagree on that. But, please, spare anyone the argument that McCain is a conservative. McCain uses an “R” after his name for mere political expediency and nothing more. Obama is a dyed-in-the-wool
liberalDemocratSocialist.If I do vote for McCain, it will be because the Republican candidate suck but the Democrat’s candidate sucks more, not because I have been convinced that McCain is a conservative maverick.
And he won. And this is now a two man race between McCain and Obama. We are in the end phase of the election that is now past the primaries.
You have got to be kidding me. “for me?” He won the republican primary. If you want to vote libertarian, then welcome to the extreme edge of the voting bell curve. Wile millions of the rest of us will be voting for Obama or McCain, you and the few thousands of you who vote for a third party candidate will be relegated to an obscure wikipedia page on the 2008 presidential election. Go look up the 2004 election and tell me how many votes that the libertarian party got. And while you are at it, tell me how many electoral votes they got.
80BO…Sorry. Typing too fast.
agreed and well said. I believe our Country’s course is irreversible. The equation is simple. Power hungry corrupt politicians… take the $$ from self reliant hard working citizens…give it away to those people, the majority of which have their hands out, and want to be supported by the gov’t….and whose voting #’s keep the corrupt politicians in power. This is the America nowm, and for the future.
The demands of Mexico and the illegals gets stronger and stronger and makes me ill. This situation is getting worse and something has to be done. Our candidates are worthless on this issue and I believe this issue is monumental in the hearts of American citizens. Do they think the populace is stupid? How can these politicians give away our money, services and sovereignty with such in-your-face arrogance? How can we accept that they prioritize the needs of foreigners, mostly illegal, over the American citizenry?
We need a consistent program of phone calls and emails like when we beat down the Shamnesty last year. They don’t realize what anger is developing within the heartland. How arrogant can these people be?
Other than you’ve not only missed the point, but ranted about something you obviously didnt read too well, shows me you’re just waiting for people to reply so you can be all offended about something.
lets try one more time, shall we?
You never mentioned assimilation…well, before I busted your chops the last time. It’s a nice theme, but you didnt make that distinction beforehand. Attempting to use that to cover your rear end after the fact isn’t going to work here.
I completely agree. Both of those turds are a disgrace. And Nashville here has one of the largest illegal populations in the country, behind places in california and phoenix. Yes, i say ship every illegal back to where they are from. but i’m clearly making the “illegal” distinction, which you again are not.
Someone with your limited intellect and absolutely asinine point of view doesn’t have the stones or the ability to hurt my feelings. But you do give me a good laugh. I wasn’t really ranting as much as slamming your ignorance in short order. You’re a racist. It’s blatant and on public record now.
And just for your information, my mother is 100% white. I’m half native american. My child is half hispanic, however. why would i get upset about you not even making that very clear distinction?
And besides, I work hard and take care of my own. Your tax money doesnt factor into it. Some of us have a sense of responsibility, and i make a good living. My child doesnt NEED your tax money, so you’re welcome to keep it.
Nice try. I’ve give you an A for effort.
In my opinion, illegal immigration is the most important issue in our country today. Thank you, Michelle, for keeping us up to date on it.
As for Juan McCain, just thinking about him makes me sick at my stomach. Voting for him would put me in the hospital with the worst migraine of my life. I’ll vote for the candidate of the Constitution Party if he’s on the ballot; if he isn’t, then I’ll vote for Barr.
beenthere said, “It is a horrible situation we face no matter how you slice it but I think it best to give the American people the government they deserve.” Amen!
Rob, I’m with you. The USA is becoming a Third World Country fast enough as it is. We don’t need to be inundated with people who not only have no knowledge of the founding principles of our government, but who have no interest in gaining that knowledge (in English!) or respecting our laws.
I feel like dragging out my great-granddaddy’s Confederate uniform and hollering, “Secession!”
also, nice attempt to equivicate to the crowd.
You really just dont know what you’re talking about, and trying to win people to your side when i’ve already outted your position is weak.
Come back when you’re intellectually honest enough to discuss this.
On July 15th, 2008 at 11:47 am, wise_man said:
I’ve been complaining about the in-your-face, anti-Mexican bigotry here for days, wise-man… where have you been?
On July 8th, 2008 at 9:28 am, Rob said:
Good Grief
Is there a cure for MM’s KneeJerk Reaction?
fercrissaks
Thanks. I beleive we are in agreement on the issue. Namely, any illegal immigration is unacceptable. Legal immigration policy needs to sane and at reasonable levels. Unfortuantley, the policies today are based on PC and compassion, rather than what is best for the country in the short and long term.
Michelle is justifiably upset at what mcCain is doing and saying, franksalterego.
I do hope that some time before the election, that cooler heads prevail.
And lets’ not forget about ArizonaNeanderthal.
The Ragheadistan comment was deleted, thankfully. Michelle said that she doesn’t agree with Robs’ position, but she’s not going to censor it either.
If the hostess doesn’t care about bigotry here, then why should people like Rob stop making statements like this one?
Just saying.
Agreed.
Hey, I’m all for being compassionate. We put them all back on a bus to their home territory…and the bus can be air conditioned
That’s compassionate isnt it? 
Irish, you’re making comments like
AFTER she deleted that comment from the thread.
Just saying.
I too call for a 20-year moratorium on mass immigration; during this period the only immigrants allowed should be those who have critically-needed skills.
No more multilingualism; those who don’t understand English should be picking up the tab for an interpreter.
Of course the real deal is a move towards an eventual political union between the USA, Canada and Mexico with a Charter which will supersede our Constitution, courtesy of a future President and 67 US Senators.
I do see either McCain or Obama signing such a treaty UNLESS they see the prospect of an immediate civil war or military coup.
On July 15th, 2008 at 1:07 pm, Irish Rose said:
I remember when reader comments on the old site were disabled because of the racism…It was like playing whack-a mole with rabid, leftist anti-Filipino idiots.
So… draw your own conclusions.
McCain never had my support. If the Republican primaries were as closed as the Democrat primaries, we would have had a different nominee. However, let’s face it, most of the folks running in the Republican primaries were weak. This is why McCain won the nominaton in the first place.
I don’t like the Republican nominee but I like the Democrat nominee even less. There are even a number of Dems who don’t like him. That speaks volumes.
The point is, neither party is serving the American population. When we have both party nominees pandering to the Latino and illegal populations in this country we have a problem. Too many Americans (ummm, liberals) complain about the “unfair” trade policies but look what has brought the illegals to this country? Ummm, businesses who undercut our wages and a class of people who want a slave class in our country.
Many common sense people of both parties feel like they’re being invaded. Illegals want to rape our economy and take advantage of our country’s resources while not having to reap the consequences. Mexico is handing off their poor to our country instead of taking responsibility for them and thereby repopulating areas of our country that they think are still theirs but are legally not. Neither candidate has addressed the fact that there are 12-20 million illegals living in this country and haven’t done a thing to prove they’re willing to be American citizens (like waiting in line like those who are legally applying for citizenship).
Nope, I don’t like McCain. If it wasn’t for wanting to pay less taxes and responsibiliy manage the war in Iraq, McCain would have already lost my vote. He is pandering on illegals just like Obummer and that’s just wrong.
If Americans were, indeed, as pissed off about illegals as they say they were, McCain wouldn’t have been nominated and neither would have Obummer.
Oh, and Lgm, being the useless liberal sockpuppet you are, have got it wrong about main street. Main street has been steadily disappearing for years with the influx of these illegal invaders. They bring disease, drugs, and are sucking the life out of this country. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, why don’t pay a visit to the LA school district, okay?
On July 15th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, abstractmind said:
You’re right, I could have stated this differently.
What’s the difference between anti-Muslim bigotry and anti-hispanic bigotry, though? There is no difference.
My point: clearly some forms of bigotry are verboten here, and other forms of bigotry are acceptable. In my opinion, none of it is acceptable.
But this is Michelles’ blog, and I’m just a member here. Who am I to suggest that it’s wrong?
This is really the first time that I have ever seen a ‘i hate mexicans!’ comment here. I am under no illusions that there isn’t any anti-hispanic bigotry in the republican party, and this is unfortunate. Contrary to what the liberals paint us all to be, I would gather from my readings and personal experience that the overwhelming majority of republicans/conservatives against illegal immigrants are so because of national security and a desire to see or nation enforce our laws. Most polled (if I recall correctly) do not want to see illegal immigrants who are successful at breaking our laws to be rewarded with permanent residence or citizenship.
People who are bigoted against hispanics do us all a great disservice when they identify themselves as conservatives. We need to be very careful that we don’t allow people who feel this way to co-exist with everyone else who is not a bigot, and are opposed to illegal immigrants and other political issues such as sanctuary cities.
The comments on this site over the last few months are really beginning to trouble me. Just the other day, I saw a ‘I hope McCain dies; comment. And I really don’t want to see this place become the right’s version of the daily kos.
Irish rose will you get off the Ragheadastan crap from 2 weeks ago. When radical muslim jihadists capture Americans in the middle east and cut their heads off for the world to see, blood, screaming, severed sinew and the works; people get angry and call them ragheads or much worse. Being the MM PC cop is kinda stupid.
Then don’t complain about McCain. Accept his pledge to Mexico and embrace his vision of the future for the US. Believe as he does in Global Warming. Start reducing your outgo of Carbon Dioxide. Embrace “No Child Left Behind” Embrace Nafta. Because that is what you get. I will keep my own integrity by voting for what I Believe in.
You can limit your choices if you like. But I will do what I can to help create a viable alternative. The Republicans like the Democrats before them have lost their way, and it is time for us citizens to take our country back. The two parties have created a monopoly. One which you obviously support. It will be an uphill battle against that monopoly, but I think one worth fighting.
It is just not good enough to be “Anti-Obama”.
This issue is full of passion on both sides. Most of us at one time have gotten carried away. But, we will never succeed my being meek and quiet as we have for the past 40 years. However, deporting all hispanics would mean I would deport 2 lifelong friends and their mother who is like my 2nd Mom. I beleive your anger was more directed at the illegals and the latest immigrants (at least that is even how I interpreted your original post). All we can do is fight to stop illegal imigation and reomve those here illegaly. Then fight to get sane and sustainable immigraiton policies in place for legal immigration. If we don’t succeed, I fear very bad things will happen in the next 40 years, which my children will be forced to deal with.
I have, I’m sorry to say.
Anyone gonna broker a Meeting between McCain and the Conservatives???
Not that he would listen.. hell he just doesn’t understand…for every open borders vote he gets…he loses 3 to 5 conservative votes who will stay home. He better hope that 75% who want immigration enforcement survey is off by a long shot..
Point taken, and it will be the last time that I mention it.
But it does confirm that my concern about various forms of bigotry here at MM – and their selective moderation – is valid.
On July 15th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, wise_man said:
It has gotten completely irrational. The idea that aiding an Obama victory is remotely “consirvative” is just crazy. The idea that immigration is the only issue when we are fighting a 2 front war is aggravating. The idea that the only thing that can be done to effect immigration is simply voting is disappointing.
Conservatives who want stronger enforcement are going to have to take the issue in to their own hands, organize and push for it in the house and senate. It seem though, that many here just want a consirvative version of a “nanny state” where their vote is the only contribution they make to the process. Meanwhile the open boarders people take to the streets saying “Sí, Se Puede!”…”yes we can”…
There are now two people to choose from. If you want Obama, then vote for him, or don’t vote for McCain, because it will net you the same result.
And if Obama is the next president, I don’t want to hear a word of complaint from you for the next 4 to 8 years on this or any other site – when you and everyone else had an opportunity to stand up and be counted. Because millions of democrats are going to be voting for Obama.
I’m off to work, have a good afternoon all.
Sincere question: Where did Michelle state this?
NHmagenta said:
Exactly. I have said this a couple of times before on this blog and others. THE ONLY WAY we will have change is if patriotic military Generals revolt and start arresting the traitors in our midst. Remember the FISA thread from a few days ago? Our civilian (key word here) elected officials have no idea that every…and I mean every underhanded deal they have discussed on the phone or faxed to a fellow traitor in congress or the house or the executive branch even…has been recorded and will come back to haunt them when the fecal matter hits the oscillating mechanism. I can’t wait for that! Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever but…you will have to just trust me on this.
furtim vigilans
and see-dub calls me crazy in 3…2…1..
Lumping all Hispanics in with the illegal/LaRaza crowd is just want they want you to do because it bolsters their numbers and makes all Hispanics feel persecuted. That way they can play identity politics and win. I know plenty of Cubans who lived under communism and are staunch conservatives. They know more about our method of government and its creation than most students graduating from our schools.
If we allow them to make this an ethnic issue, we will lose.
The most frustrating thing about this issue is that we wouldn’t even need a border fence if we just enforced our own laws. I don’t see Canadians flooding over the open northern border.
Maybe, I am not dead yet and I am not giving up just yet either. As much as I do NOT like or respect McCain I will still vote for him to twart Obama. But my biggest fear is that so many Conservatives stay home we not only get Obama but the Democrats sweep the House, Senate and local elections all across the country.
But if our Country’s course is irreversible I am also making other plans. If I go down I plan to go down fighting. Better Ruby Ridge than the madrassa, be it mohammedan or Liberal/Fascist.
If we could get a few million more Conservatives off their dead asses and into precinct meetings, primary fights and such we could knock off a few more RINOs each primary and elect Conservatives. If all we offer the public is More of the Same/Me Too they will take the original. Hard Conservative Ronald Reagan won by millions–moderate George Bush squeaked by two of the biggest jerks the Democrats ever put forth. More of the Same/Me Too.
Nations die when the citizens give up. Don’t do that.
I can’t say Ragheadistan?
The FACT that they do this, addressed by wimpy, politically correct eunuchs like Obamasiah and McAmnesty means to me that they may have already won.
Maybe we need to follow nhypatriot’s advice, “if we just enforced our own laws.” Maybe this is why we have a constitutional right to an organized citizen militia.
This issue is tragic enough without all of the namecalling. The government has two major categories – productive and protective are what they are usually referred to as… this invasion falls under the “protective” category. And needless to say they are failing miserably at it. Not because there are too many people here to do anything about them but because our government has CHOSEN not to enforce the law. They’ve pretty much given them license to come here and run amok.
The government’s first order of business is to protect its citizens.
Legal citizens from an invasion. Again, the government has not done that. We’ve had to shoot down amnesty under a Republican President’s watch and most of us would agree that Dubya was more conservative than McCain. However, as we can see the fight will continue regardless of whether a R or D is in the white house.
Lastly, all of this talk about humanely and inhumanely is absurd. No one here (Rob excluded) is advocating sending these people back home in shipment containers, trunks of cars or having them march through the desert back to Mexico which, and we can all agree, is likely the way they came here.
Our anger, if channeled appropriately is with our government, not each other.
And if our government continues to ignore the will of the people they will have to reap what they sow.
30 out.
On July 15th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:
Amen.
Here here.
Oops.
The government falls into two major categories…
On July 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm, Salt said:
Here.
When I brought these two comments to Michelles’ attention in #10, she replied, #19:
On July 9th, 2008 at 9:33 am, Michelle Malkin said:
Related discussion here.
Once the border is shut tight, I am willing to use buses.
Yes,
But, there’s a line between “being upset” and becoming an unwitting surrogate for the opposition.
Multitudinous hordes of Menacing Mexicans, and her commenting Minions, notwithstanding.
too bad there wasn’t a way of spelling ‘notwithstanding’ with an “m”.
McCain did not receive the majority of Republican votes, or even the majority of votes cast in the Republican primaries. And I’m tired of seeing this particular lie repeated.
Of course neither of them has to win, assuming the American people muster up a smigden of courage.
#138, Concerned Citizen,
I wasn’t talking about Cubans.
ArizonaNeanderthal and Bill Grant,
Yeah, I too plan to go down fighting.
On July 15th, 2008 at 5:53 pm, flenser, I agree, having brought that to wise-man’s attention a few times. He much prefers to forget or ignore how exactly how McShame did get the delegate votes to be the presumptive Republican nominee.
Careful he’s liable to start calling you names if you piss him off…seen him do that a few times. His reactions kind a remind me of McShames reactions to people that don’t agree with him.
how instructive that the McCain lovers are bothered by a poster making xenophobic comments, BUT are NOT IN THE LEAST bothered by their hero pandering to a RACIST, XENOPHOBIC group that in it’s name declares itself a superior race.
Obama is a disgrace, and so are a lot of his supporters. BUT, so is McCain and some of his sycophants.
Are you implying, The American People are cowards?
How Liberal of you
On July 15th, 2008 at 5:53 pm, flenser said:
Of course he did. If McCain didn’t receive the majority of the votes cast in the republican primaries who did?
Nothing particularly courageous about wasting your vote on Rosanne’s dad or some other misfit velcro.
” if Obama is the next president, I don’t want to hear a word of complaint from you for the next 4 to 8 years on this or any other site –
I am so tired of comments like these.
You don’t have to vote against Obama in order to be able to criticize him and and all the un-american actions he would take. By that rationale anyone who votes for Obama cannot criticize him or his actions either.
People need to stop brow beating those of conscience who recognize McShame for what he is and cannot vote for him. Choosing not to vote is as valid as voting.
He got the most.
That’s why he will be the republican nominee.
The others did not get ‘the majority,’ because they all got less. You don’t count all the people who lost in the same group. Therefore, the got the “majority” of the votes. The second place winner, or first loser, got less than McCain, not more than McCain.
Or is that also a lie in your opinion?
In the Question and Answer after his speech he apparently said he would stop ICE raids and that he would support the dream act for the details read here:
John Mccain Says He Will Stop ICE Raids And Will Support The Dream Act
Not according to HotAir:
That site has some connections to some pretty shady characters though.
Yeah, I’d say we’re ‘obssessed’ with ENFORCING the law and preventing anymore MS 13’s, rapists, murderers, thieves, and terrorists, from traipsing across our sieve-like borders.
Just one fed-up American’s opinion.
I would think that secure, unbreachable walls would prevent both things from occurring; families would stay together in Mexico and South America, and the walls would prevent people from attempting to cross the desert.
It would cut down on the trash they leave in their wake as well.
So aside from complaining on the internet what have you done to stop all of that?
Here’s something.
Electing Obama wont help.