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	<title>Comments on: Democrats pushing Stimulus-palooza, Part II</title>
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		<title>By: valleygreaser</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-378024</link>
		<dc:creator>valleygreaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I got the first one right after my lawnmower broke so I ran out and stimulated Wal-Mart by getting a new one. Much better than the govenment keeping it and giving a raise to the National Endowment for the Arts or Planned Parenthood. If they send me another one I&#039;ll put it to good use. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I got the first one right after my lawnmower broke so I ran out and stimulated Wal-Mart by getting a new one. Much better than the govenment keeping it and giving a raise to the National Endowment for the Arts or Planned Parenthood. If they send me another one I&#8217;ll put it to good use. <img src='http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/themes/mm/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: fulldroolcup</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-378021</link>
		<dc:creator>fulldroolcup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sense a lot of tail-chasing here.  Sure, if congress borrows more money to &quot;stimulate&quot; the economy, it accomplishes squat in the long run, making our kids pay more in the long term..

But an across-the-board tax cut will NOT help much UNLESS government spending is slashed.  Congress will just.....borrow the money...to maintain its spenidng levels.

(and oh yes, Alphonse, it&#039;s CONGRESS that does the borrowing and budget approval, not the GOP or the Dems. The growth of government, and of deficits, has been going on for fifty years, no matter who&#039;s in power (but the Dems held the &quot;power of the purse&quot; for most of those years).  The only time we&#039;ve moved into substantial surplus territory was during the Clinton years, but that&#039;s because the GOP forced tax cuts AND welfare reform onto Der Schlick, against the wishes of the Dems.)

Anyone want to see the ugly truth can go here:

http://perotcharts.com/challenges/

Yeah, I know it&#039;s a Perot production, but the data and conclusions are unassailable (and Perot doesn&#039;t blame either political party).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sense a lot of tail-chasing here.  Sure, if congress borrows more money to &#8220;stimulate&#8221; the economy, it accomplishes squat in the long run, making our kids pay more in the long term..</p>
<p>But an across-the-board tax cut will NOT help much UNLESS government spending is slashed.  Congress will just&#8230;..borrow the money&#8230;to maintain its spenidng levels.</p>
<p>(and oh yes, Alphonse, it&#8217;s CONGRESS that does the borrowing and budget approval, not the GOP or the Dems. The growth of government, and of deficits, has been going on for fifty years, no matter who&#8217;s in power (but the Dems held the &#8220;power of the purse&#8221; for most of those years).  The only time we&#8217;ve moved into substantial surplus territory was during the Clinton years, but that&#8217;s because the GOP forced tax cuts AND welfare reform onto Der Schlick, against the wishes of the Dems.)</p>
<p>Anyone want to see the ugly truth can go here:</p>
<p><a href="http://perotcharts.com/challenges/" rel="nofollow">http://perotcharts.com/challenges/</a></p>
<p>Yeah, I know it&#8217;s a Perot production, but the data and conclusions are unassailable (and Perot doesn&#8217;t blame either political party).</p>
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		<title>By: CO2 Producer</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377904</link>
		<dc:creator>CO2 Producer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So instead of lowering taxes, they just want to give money back to us with the occasional check. That&#039;s lazy. Lower-income people benefit in the short-term, while higher-income people benefit not at all. Cutting taxes would benefit everyone. Can&#039;t have that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So instead of lowering taxes, they just want to give money back to us with the occasional check. That&#8217;s lazy. Lower-income people benefit in the short-term, while higher-income people benefit not at all. Cutting taxes would benefit everyone. Can&#8217;t have that.</p>
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		<title>By: What, We Weren&#8217;t Stimulated Enough The First Time? &#171; Beltway Snark</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377857</link>
		<dc:creator>What, We Weren&#8217;t Stimulated Enough The First Time? &#171; Beltway Snark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We Weren&#8217;t Stimulated Enough The First&#160;Time?  Jump to Comments Gotta do something about those crappy approval ratings. House Democrats want to inject at least $50 billion into the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We Weren&#8217;t Stimulated Enough The First&nbsp;Time?  Jump to Comments Gotta do something about those crappy approval ratings. House Democrats want to inject at least $50 billion into the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hawkeye54</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377559</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkeye54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I thought the idea of government was suppose to tax and spend &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;prudently&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.Not give back.We elect them to represent us and not just give us &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;back some of our own&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; money. 

There, fixed it.  And it makes no difference unless Congress actually makes significant spending cuts and makes current tax rates and cuts &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;permanent&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I thought the idea of government was suppose to tax and spend <strong><em>prudently</em></strong>.Not give back.We elect them to represent us and not just give us <em><strong>back some of our own</strong></em> money. </p>
<p>There, fixed it.  And it makes no difference unless Congress actually makes significant spending cuts and makes current tax rates and cuts <strong><em>permanent</em></strong>.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Wyatt Earp</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377547</link>
		<dc:creator>Wyatt Earp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blind_Mule - All we need now is a small car for Reid, Pelosi, et al to jump out of!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blind_Mule &#8211; All we need now is a small car for Reid, Pelosi, et al to jump out of!</p>
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		<title>By: Blind_Mule</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377439</link>
		<dc:creator>Blind_Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Many of the proposals being floated by Democrats this time are ones President George W. Bush and other Republicans rejected in the last go-round&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This time? how about everytime, this is the typical &lt;a href=&quot;http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk232/Blind_Studio/clowncongress.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;clown congress&lt;/a&gt; M.O. they continually bring up the same things that have been defeated over and over and over and you get the idea. :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Many of the proposals being floated by Democrats this time are ones President George W. Bush and other Republicans rejected in the last go-round</p></blockquote>
<p>This time? how about everytime, this is the typical <a href="http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk232/Blind_Studio/clowncongress.jpg" rel="nofollow">clown congress</a> M.O. they continually bring up the same things that have been defeated over and over and over and you get the idea. <img src='http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/themes/mm/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Silkyinfamous</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377402</link>
		<dc:creator>Silkyinfamous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they serious? The government is so messed up they&#039;re sending us checks again. I thought the idea of government was suppose to tax and spend.Not give back.We elect them to represent us and not just give us money. I mean really is this logical at all, is our senators and reps so stupid, all they can figure out is to send us checks. Well with the mortgage fiasco obviously most of us aren&#039;t spending our money wise to begin with.

Lets use that money and start DRILLING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they serious? The government is so messed up they&#8217;re sending us checks again. I thought the idea of government was suppose to tax and spend.Not give back.We elect them to represent us and not just give us money. I mean really is this logical at all, is our senators and reps so stupid, all they can figure out is to send us checks. Well with the mortgage fiasco obviously most of us aren&#8217;t spending our money wise to begin with.</p>
<p>Lets use that money and start DRILLING.</p>
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		<title>By: dan708</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377395</link>
		<dc:creator>dan708</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>happen - sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>happen &#8211; sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: dan708</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377394</link>
		<dc:creator>dan708</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather see them pay the debt down by $50 billion. But that would require sepnding CUTS, something which simply doesn&#039;t happy in an election year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather see them pay the debt down by $50 billion. But that would require sepnding CUTS, something which simply doesn&#8217;t happy in an election year.</p>
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		<title>By: cicerokid</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377391</link>
		<dc:creator>cicerokid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanna see the price of oil go down some more? Release about half of the strategic reserve, then refill it with some cheaper stuff in about 12 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanna see the price of oil go down some more? Release about half of the strategic reserve, then refill it with some cheaper stuff in about 12 months.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377359</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tarpon said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Anything to avoid talking about the real problem, DRILLING FOR MORE OIL.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly!  Has anyone noticed how the price of oil plunged just with President Bush&#039;s announcement that he would lift the off-shore oil ban?  Just the &lt;strong&gt;prospect&lt;/strong&gt; of a greater supply of oil lowered the price.

Yet the MSM has spun it that oil prices are dropping because of a &quot;bad economy.&quot;

These people are shameless, and liberals will NEVER drill and keep waiting for Republicans to avert us from economic disaster. . .and then the Dems take credit for it.

As others have stated above, we don&#039;t need a stimulus check, we need energy independence with drilling for oil everywhere we can in America.  That will be a long term stimulus to the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tarpon said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Anything to avoid talking about the real problem, DRILLING FOR MORE OIL.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly!  Has anyone noticed how the price of oil plunged just with President Bush&#8217;s announcement that he would lift the off-shore oil ban?  Just the <strong>prospect</strong> of a greater supply of oil lowered the price.</p>
<p>Yet the MSM has spun it that oil prices are dropping because of a &#8220;bad economy.&#8221;</p>
<p>These people are shameless, and liberals will NEVER drill and keep waiting for Republicans to avert us from economic disaster. . .and then the Dems take credit for it.</p>
<p>As others have stated above, we don&#8217;t need a stimulus check, we need energy independence with drilling for oil everywhere we can in America.  That will be a long term stimulus to the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: supersean</title>
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		<dc:creator>supersean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what ever happened to the sound minimal government policies of the true conservative?

It is not just the democrats promoting this bailout &amp; stimulus garbage... when is someone in Congress going to propose that any government entity that performs the be spun off into a pure private enterprise. Why are we forking over # to Fannie Mae &amp; Amtrak? Isnt this the job of the private sector? I&#039;d rather be taxed less and be able to spend my $$ on what I want when I want</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what ever happened to the sound minimal government policies of the true conservative?</p>
<p>It is not just the democrats promoting this bailout &amp; stimulus garbage&#8230; when is someone in Congress going to propose that any government entity that performs the be spun off into a pure private enterprise. Why are we forking over # to Fannie Mae &amp; Amtrak? Isnt this the job of the private sector? I&#8217;d rather be taxed less and be able to spend my $$ on what I want when I want</p>
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		<title>By: concretebob</title>
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		<dc:creator>concretebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi: We have to do something about our approval numbers and these stupid little cretins who keep emailing me about the oil companies.
Reid: Lets just throw some more money at them and maybe they&#039;ll shut up until after November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi: We have to do something about our approval numbers and these stupid little cretins who keep emailing me about the oil companies.<br />
Reid: Lets just throw some more money at them and maybe they&#8217;ll shut up until after November.</p>
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		<title>By: Azygos</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/16/democrats-pushing-stimulus-palooza-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-377265</link>
		<dc:creator>Azygos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ross Perot was ahead of his time. Remember the “giant sucking sound” phrase from his campaign? Well, it’s now coming from the 300 million teats of the federal cow Congress has primed with “stimulus” funds, and both Democrats and Republicans will be sure to see doesn’t run out of ‘milk’ from now on. The socialism farm is just over the horizon. Bah! Humbug!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not 300 million as I don&#039;t get a &quot;rebate&quot; of the 50% plus that I pay in taxes. Why is it good to take from me and give to people who pay no taxes but tax cuts are bad? How much on the dollar do the idiots in congress spend to give my hard earned dollars to welfare cheats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ross Perot was ahead of his time. Remember the “giant sucking sound” phrase from his campaign? Well, it’s now coming from the 300 million teats of the federal cow Congress has primed with “stimulus” funds, and both Democrats and Republicans will be sure to see doesn’t run out of ‘milk’ from now on. The socialism farm is just over the horizon. Bah! Humbug!</p></blockquote>
<p>Not 300 million as I don&#8217;t get a &#8220;rebate&#8221; of the 50% plus that I pay in taxes. Why is it good to take from me and give to people who pay no taxes but tax cuts are bad? How much on the dollar do the idiots in congress spend to give my hard earned dollars to welfare cheats?</p>
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