D.C. rejects Heller’s gun application
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Paging the NRA, asap.
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Please, why do we insist on electing STUPID people?
They are just being sore loosers!!!!!!
They’re Democrats, what more do you expect? That they actually follow the Constitution and the Supreme Court’s ruling? Heh.
Go-go NRA, sue the pants off them for violating the rights of Mr. Heller and every other law abiding citizen who has the Constitutional RIGHT to own and bear arms.
What do the bureaucrats care? They don’t look at it as being their money that is being wasted.
Dumb Crazy’s are punishing him for daring to challenge them!
In 15 minutes, the official MSM talking points bulletin will be assimillated by all two-digit-IQ talking-heads, and the term “machine-gun” will be officially applied to all guns that shoot bullets, BBs or potato spuds in all gun stories from today forward…
Spelling is optional…
Can’t we please just have an every other year government?
I don’t think this is in violation of Heller at all. All Heller held was that a state (or DC) cannot have a blanket prohibition on handguns, and that all firearms be kept “unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock.” Anything else is dicta, meaning it is language used by the judge to explain his holding and nothing more. The NRA may challenge this to try and have the court broaden or clarify the scope of Heller, but at this point, anything else that you try to read in the opinion is pure conjecture.
Why is it that some of these so-called “officials” in local governments cannot be arrested for not enforcing the laws they are sworn to uphold and enforce?
They actually think they are above the law, and their “subjects” will do as they say! I certainly hope this has opened some eyes in D.C., and they get some new city officials that respect the people they serve!
How utterly ridiculous.
YOU LOST, YOU IDIOTS, NOW GIVE THE MAN HIS LICENSE!
If these obtuse bureaucrats were held personally responsible for their decisions like ANY company CEO is, you wouldn’t see this nasty vindictiveness, (and that’s exactly what it is - vindictiveness).
I cannot stand politicians. Just a bunch of stupid self-important control freaks, who pull crap like this just to make themselves feel important. Assh0les.
Sorry, I obviously meant to say that DC couldn’t have that unloaded/disassembled/trigger lock requirement.
Bottom-loading weapons can’t possibly be any more dangerous than bottom-feeding liberal polititions.
Another clueless Democrat, go back reread the ruling from the Supreme Court. It is spelled out in plain English for you what the ruling entailed. Today’s decision by D.C. was in clear violation of that ruling and Unconstitutional. The NRA will win this easily.
like someone else said…gun control isn’t about guns..it’s about control
Stuck on Stupid
Maybe he can buy a Model C-96 “Broomhandle” Mauser, and try to register it instead? http://www.gunsandswords.com/broom-handled-mauser.html
It has a top-loaded magazine, and holds ten rounds. What would they say about this gun…it’s too old?
So do you actually read things before you comment on them, or do you just read the headline?
“bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home”
Well, if that isn’t a dumb statement!
I don’t think there were any unlawful weapons back in the day.
Drill Now, Drill Deep, Drill Often
STUCK
ON
STUPID
I love how the Libtards are all for the “rule of law” when they get judicial activism going their way but as soon as it goes against them they completely disregard the rule of law.
At the risk of sounding like my husband (because I get annoyed when he says this), I’m not surprised.
It’s a liberal tactic to ignore court rulings they don’t like - the whole “Justice Roberts has made his decision, now let him enforce it” arrogance.
The opinion specifically says that they are not ruling on licensing requirements because giving Heller his license would be his relief. Since DC is not giving him his license, they are in violation of the court’s ruling.
Oh wait, we’re talking about a city that elects crackheads mayor, sorry, my bad.
The answer is ,a href=http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm>Taurus The Judge - uses .45 and 410 shotgun shells interchangeably - neat vido.
Mini pockets of DICTATORSHIPS in the US…when are we going to demand that it stop?
We’ve got : Wahington DC —LA,SF,Berkeley,and et.al.,CA–NY,Washington,…you can add as you wish.
I’m surprised that anyone would be surprised!!
C’mon Aloha…you KNOW he was set up…uh huh, uh huh!
If Heller would have complied by bringing the hand gun with him to register it, he would have been arrested for carrying an un-registered handgun without a legal conceal carry permit.
They are going to try and kill the right to bear arms decision with death by a thousand cuts.
Strictest handgun laws in the nation and the highest per captita murder rate where handguns are used. What part of the logic are they not seeing?
Can anyone see a similarity between this refusal case and barring certain people from schools and other public places?
No. That is not “all Heller held”.
Amen Barry F. The liberals don’t care about what the ruling says or what the Consitution says. If it doesn’t fit their socialist/communist agenda then they ignore the rule of law. End of story. The audicity of RSS and other garbage spewing liberals to come here and state that todays decision is in line with the Supreme Court ruling is not only a deceptive twisting of what was actually said by the Supreme Court but a flat out LIE. And I will not sit back while these evil tools destroy this country and its Constitution.
This time Heller should challenge gun registration per se. Gun registration, as this very clearly demonstrates, serves no purpose but to harass and burden law-abiding citizens. Remember that persons forbidden by law from possessing firearms can not be prosecuted for refusing to register their firearms…to do so would be to prosecute them for exercising their right against self-incrimination.
Just a question - If DC is run by the feds, who do you think picks up the tab for their defense of idiotic gun laws?
Just imagine now if a licensing office in California refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples because they didn’t want to comply with the Court’s ruling, or tried to read less/more into the ruling than what was there to render it unenforcable.
The left would be hysterical.
Further proving the adage, “Rights for me, but not for thee….”
Now, that may take a little switching up on the SCOTUS opinion, tc2011. The opinion from June speaks of him being allowed “to register” and they “must issue him a license.”
The Obamessiah has preached from the mount that he believes that we have the right to arms, but that government has the right to restrict those rights if it deems necessary.
IOW, we have no rights. The Lord has spoken! Complaining doesn’t help Michelle’s children!
To recap:
* Criminals in D.C. will continue to possess weapons and murder innocents unchecked by the District’s fascist laws.
* Law-abiding citizens who wish to jump thru Caesar’s hoops and grovel for permission to protect themselves will be denied and, since they’re law-abiding, remain disarmed.
Any questions?
Actually it creates a database for them to use when they decide to round up all the guns. I believe that’s how it happened in Australia.
This is why they are (supposedly) prohibited from maintaining or divulging the background check register for people buying guns. I personally think some liberal is keeping the list in a safe place somewhere for when they take control of the Whitehouse.
As a minimum, all of those firearm licensees have the paperwork you fill out for your background check.
Other than my wife’s shotgun, I only buy guns through private sales or trade shows.
God save the loop hole.
Since governments play with free money, expect more of these liberal games of “definition” until the cows come home.
I suppose this is why liberals ended up writing laws from the bench during Roe v. Wade…to establish up to the exact second when a baby can/can’t be aborted, so that states couldn’t decide the parameters for themselves and therefore delay or hinder this “constitutional right.”
Many liberals are scheming and dishonest, but they aren’t stupid.
Well, yes, but Heller wasn’t challenging the registration, and Heller voluntarily conceded that licensing would provide relief. In fact, Scalia expressly pointed out that the court wasn’t addressing licensing. Scalia didn’t say anything like that about registration, but then Heller was specifically asking to be allowed to register his gun, so I’m guessing registration wasn’t being addressed directly, either. But I’m not a lawyer.
This really doesn’t add to what I wrote at all. And I really see know why this language has anything to do with saying what types of guns cannot be prohibited.
Walter, you conveniently left out the remainder of what I said: “serves no purpose… but to harass and burden law-abiding citizens.”
Although gun roundups are a bit beyond harassment.
I think firearm vendors are only required to keep records of sales for 10 years, so maybe if you got that shotgun more than 10 years ago, you’re in the clear. But I wonder if the ATF copies sales records when it does annual inspections…
What else would you expect from a city that re-elects a convicted drug using mayor to the city council as soon as he gets out of jail?
I have just wrote my Congressman about this and we will see what happens in the House and Senate…but if the dems drag their feet, it is going to help our side and John McCain (who without hesitation came down on the side of the NRA on Heller).
The Mayor, Police Chief, and DC city council should be hauled away by the US Marshall’s service in irons.
Machine gun.
Single-stack 1911. (I bet this was the type of gun Heller tried to register.)
Can you tell the difference? Mayor Fenty can’t!
DesertLover, Exactly. When I first heard about their mayor, I almost thought it was a joke.
There is nothing rational logical or anything else about the new DC gun restrictions. It is just designed to harass the citizenry without producing one once of protection. Rights are supposed to be subject to strict interpretation, with limits placed only when they meet the highest bar before infringement.
Liberals see the US Constitution as nothing but an obstacle to be gotten around. Unless it’s abortion, then they see it as useful in attracting voters.
DC is a good window into the minds of liberals.
It was know than Heller’s single stack would be rejected as “an automatic pistol similair to a machine gun”. He is the man who took it down once and he is ready to do it again.
It is going to be almost impossible to dismantle D.C.s gun ban in one full swoop and that has been know from the first. It is our contention that this will fall into “banning of a class of guns”.
Be assured the lawyers are ready. I would think they will wait for more rejections and also see who does get to register a gun. We are hoping that who does is going to be a hook in Chicago. They have made exceptions for Councilmen.
As with all our Rights as Free People this will be a long fight; it is worth it. Keep hitting back.
Most of the voters in that City do seem to vote for Thief in Chief.Home Rule was a bad idea. But even a majority of voters do not have a right to strip an individual of their Natural and Constitutionally protected Rights.The main argument of the Left is that a majority can over ride the
Constitution; they take that position becasue they can not get the super majority to amend the Constitution. Of course when the Left talks about a majority they mean the Supreme Court or a regulatory body, not the voters.
Keep hitting back.
Rest assured, no bureaucracy will stand for being proved wrong, especially in a court of law. In addition to digging in their heels on giving Heller his lawful permit, I would not be surprised to see all kinds of local ordinance violations targeted at Heller for anything from zoning to jaywalking. They will get their revenge…
And if you ask me, a 1911A1 .45ACP is still the king of handgun design.
Trivia question, what does the ACP stand for? And no cheating by looking it up on wikipedia!!
Prize for the winner is the praise and adulation of the registered posters of michellemalkin.com
ACP = “Automatic Colt Pistol”
Automatic Colt Pistol
But… if you’re interested in the rules required for registration - and my comments on how stupid they are - here’s my blog post.
Wow, guy went to the Supreme Court on this… owned THIS gun the whole time..
Supremes say DC must grant him a license, and they don’t?
This Guy, this gun… Seems the Supremes have already spoken… pretty explicitly…
Sounds to me as if DC Police are disregarding the Supremes, on a CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE!!!
Gee, wonder if the ACLU will help out Heller…
Murdering an unborn baby is a protected right found in the penumbra of the Constitution, but SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is to ambiguous for liberals!
Maybe when Hell freezes over, they are too busy removing any reference of God from the public square. Figure it is only a matter of time before they declare the Constitution unconstitutional and tear up the Declaration of Independence for saying that mankind is endowed inalienable rights by our Creator. The last time the (Atheist Communist Liberal Union) that parades itself as the American Civil Liberties Union stood up for a civil right that wasn’t on the liberal agenda was… well never that I can remember.
Those D.C. B@#$%?&S!
It’s what jerks do best. What a bunch of fools.
I say file a civil rights case against the city. Violating his civil right to own and bear arms.
Considering that the average DC municipal employee has an 85 IQ, I’m surprised that Heller didn’t just roll his wrist inward, hold the pistol gangsta style and claim it was a side-loader.
Does that mean Barney Frank’s illegal too? You know, because he’s a bottom-loader?
The lower appellate court has already ruled in Hellers favor on the overall issue. This will begin to cost the city real money.
In 1974 SCOTUS ruled that abortion was an individual right and was legal. Anyone that tries to regulate abortion (partial-birth, late term) is labeled a fascist and hounded until their dying day by the baby killers.
Now SCOTUS rules that, why YES, the 2nd Amendment does give an individual the right to keep and bear arms! Do the liberals follow that doctrine? Hell no! Because liberals pick and choose what laws they want to follow; it’s whatever is convenient for them at the time.
Conservatives are bad because they don’t believe in killing defenseless, unborn babies. We’re also bad because we believe in protecting ourselves, our families, and our property.
At what point are the liberal fascists called to task for their wack-a-doodle beliefs? I’m sure they will be, when they come before The Judge whose decisions cannot be appealed.
This one has had me fuming for quit a while this afternoon. When the hell are Federal authorities going to hold these fascists in contempt of court? Not just any court, but the highest court in the land.
The restrictive requirements of being allowed to own a firearm in the privacy of ones own home provided it is unloaded has a trigger lock etc truly is an infringement. The tyrants of the DC Council would wet themselves if they saw how many firearms are in our home useing bottom loading technology. We must be a family of Dillingers according to these panty wastes.
Obviously they have never seen a competent shooter use a revolver in a speed shooting competition if they are afraid of the rapid fire capabilitie of a semi-automatic pistol.
DieHippieDie has it right…the DC leadership and employees have an IQ of 85 (probably collectively
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I can reload my Ruger GP100 revolver with Safariland Speedloaders virtually as fast and efficeiently as I can reload my Glocks.
DC leadership doesn’t know how to do anything except shoot-up heroin and snort cocaine anyhow….
DC had a mayor named after a pie I can get at a Denny’s called “Marion Berry”…this is how pathetic they are.
Guys, I think you’re missing the long term goal.
DC gun grabbers want this to go to the courts, hoping that an Obama stacked court will find the right to bear arms not for the people.
That has been my thought too for some time..
Do you wish to retract this statement?
The gun Heller wanted to register that started all this was a S&W 38 revolver.
Mr. Heller failed to bring his firearm with him today and will be back Friday.
I spent 17 years in 3rd World countries and the way DC handled the attempt by Mr. Heller to legally register his handgun is typical of the 3rd World. It just shows that Washington, DC, is a 3rd World country with a liberal fascist mentality!
Be nice; he misses Gary Littleboy Studds.
I own a couple of pistols, 2 380’s, for home defense and have a carry permit here in my home state of AZ…..but I am not really a highly knowledgable gun person. I have racked my brain going through my limited gun savvy. Someone enlighten me please. What kind of pistol, not a revolver, has a clip that does NOT go in from the bottom? It seems to me that D.C., is bound and determined to only pay lip service tot he SCOTUS decision while doing everything it can to see that no one is actually allowed to have their right to defend their home and themselves. When they are done you will only be allowed to have a single shot blunderbuss of the type made centuries ago.
Bogtrotter
First of all…no modern non-revolver pistol loads with a ‘clip’, they load with a ‘magazine’….a ‘clip’ is an apparatus that will hold cartridges together so that you can load all of them at the same time into a permanent magazine that is built into the weapon–e.g. the cylinder of the revolver, or the magazine ‘well’ of the SKS or M1 Garand rifle.
The only weapons ever made with side-loading or top loading magazines were Japanese and British light machine guns that come to mind..pre-Korean War. No handgun configurations were ever made like that.
The DC rule was someone’s ceative idea at a blanket semi-auto ban.
The only semi-auto handgun that loaded from a point other than through the bottom of the handle was the German Broomhandle Mauser of 1895 (I know it came out in the 1890’s), and it loaded pistol-level cartridges beneath the receiver like a modern semi-auto rifle.
Thanks for the info, love2rumba. Reading the proposed regs it is easy to see DC officials are going to make the process as confusing and difficult as they possibly can. It will be interesting to see after, lets say, 90 days how many people have actually been able to complete the process and are “legal”. I am betting damn few. They will then smugly bleat about how so few want to keep a handgun for defense in the home.
This is where a judge who cites them for contempt of court is needed, then it will take balls on the part of the Bush Administration or the one coming after them to do some arresting with the US Marshall Service…funny I don’t think that will be Obama.
Second thread to which I have returned -I can’t believe I’m doing this but..it’s important!!!!!!!
EVERY TYRANNICAL regime - from the beginning of time- has restricted the personnal use of weapons …the FOUNDERS of this - the greatest country on earth - knew history and thus inserted the second ammendment…
When are we going to take this country back from the scum that are liberalls. Who makes that call. Needless to say, I am ready when it is made.
So, obviously, you aren’t looking to see what SCOTUS actually ruled on. You just wanted to try to defend the district’s continued efforts in preventing citizens, including and specifically, Heller from freely exercising his Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
STORY
Heller specifically noted that there states may still restrict gun ownership. The court did not say what those restrictions are, only to say that a state cannot have a blanket prohibition on handguns.
By the way, here’s a crash course on Scalia’s judicial philosophy: when a state does something he likes (abortion and same-sex relations prohibitions) it’s states rights and the Constitution has no bearing. But when a state does something that he doesn’t like (gun control, affirmative action) the Constitution sails in to save the day.
Is DC one of Obama’s 58 states now?
Do you really believe there is not a certain amount of sour grapes here from Mayor Fenty when Heller himself is rejected?
Keep in mind the law in the district bans all “Automatic or Semi-Automatic” handguns more than 6 shots and greater than .38 calibre. However while the emergency legislation refers to the defination of “semi-automaitc” which I can’t find in the DC regulations. The ban on semi-automatic handguns could also ban most modern revolvers which are double action. You don’t have to pull the hammer back to fire the gun. So we will have to see if anyone is actually allowed to register a handgun. I suspect they will need to rewrite the law.
Also I keep seeing this reference to 2 weeks. I don’t see that in the legislation from DC. I see that you will have the handgun delivered to the police and they will tell you when you can pick it up. No times given. Mental health examination may be required, as well as 50 state criminal background check. I think they will push the limits on this untill the SCOTUS comes back and isues a directive, if they issue a directive.
You fail to note that abortion involves the murder of an innocent person (and forces citizens to violate their religious beliefs by funding it), that homosexual “marriage” compels others recognize and give deference to that behavior, and that neither of these “rights” have any support in written law, legal tradition, or our history. Oh yeah, and you also fail to note that the right to keep and bear arms is explicitly spelled out for all to see. So, yeah, when it comes to restrictions on abortion and homosexual “marriage,” the constitution doesn’t have anything to say. Read it and weep!
You have it backwards. Scalia thinks rights explicitly laid out in the bill of rights ought to be given greater respect than judicial fiats that necessarily result in the direct violation of others’ most fundamental rights (life, religious freedom).
Heller did register his revolver Friday, July 18, and said the Police were polite, professional and made this as easy as possible.
I agree that the Mayor and are and will do some foot dragging but don’t get too excited yet.
“Don’t holler til you’re hurt.”
I’m really thankful that I live in Tennessee right now. The handgun Laws here are what one would call “reasonable” in that you’re required to take a $100 safety course for 8 hrs. if you want to carry your loaded weapon outside of the home, on your person or in your car.
When I took the course, I found it to be really helpful in regards to safety & informing gun owners of the legal possibilities that come with the responsibility of owning a weapon. After taking it, I’m glad they require it. It’s a reasonable course that helps people to use a gun safely.
To get your actual carry license, you pay $115 dollars to the Dept. Of Safety, & must be fingerprinted.
There are no license requirements for having a handgun or most long guns in the home, & you’re allowed to transport the weapons unloaded to a firing range, without a carry license. There’s no trigger lock or disassembly required. (Ammunition must be reasonably out of reach of the weapon’s proximity in the vehicle during transport. Again, that is only if you DO NOT have a carry license.)
You can carry any pistol here, & as many on your person as you can handle without falling over from the weight. It does not matter how the bullets are or can be inserted in it, or if you want to carry a backpack full of loaded clips. (If you do this without a really good reason, you “may” want to have your head examined, but still, it’s appropriate that the State doesn’t nanny people about it.)
In contrast to TN gun laws, you have to ask yourself how we let this violation of our second amendment rights get violated so badly in DC. How does one US (or actually quite a few) states have such constitutional gun laws, & then another have a district that more resembles Nazi Germany? The answer: liberals.. Lots & lots of control freak liberals..
~Dan Lee