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Limousine liberal video of the day: Gore and his gas-guzzling fans exposed!; Update: What global warming consensus?

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 17, 2008 09:03 PM

Update: Top news this morning…”The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming ‘incontrovertible.’”

Update: A clarification from APS about its stand:

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”

An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that “Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.” This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.

***

You’re going to love this video from Americans for Prosperity, whose staff caught eco-hypocrisy on full display at Al Gore’s big energy sermon in Washington, D.C. earlier today.

Ed Frank writes: “We’re back from Al Gore’s big global warming speech, and boy did we have a great time! We had a dedicated band of taxpayer advocates out in force, pointing out the high economic cost of global warming alarmism - starting with $8 a gallon gasoline. Of course, we saw plenty of hypocrisy — especially the fact that Gore didn’t ride his bike or take public transporation to the event. He didn’t even take his Prius! Instead, he brought a fleet of two Lincoln Town Cars and a Chevy Suburban SUV! Even worse, the driver of the Town Car that eventually whisked away Gore’s wife and daughter left the engine idling and the AC cranking for 20 minutes before they finally left!”

Enjoy the spectacle and be sure to watch the very end:

Gulfstream libs following in their hugetastic carbon footprint-bearing Goracle:

Do as they say…

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  1. #101
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:25 am, Dimsdale said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:54 am, chapoutier said:

    Dimsdale,

    I do think it is a fair and obvious point that public transportation is not viable for a large swath of our population. But couple points:

    1) At least on the state level, transportation infrastructure is not completely funded by gas taxes, some of those funds come from the general treasury. So it is not accurate to claim that you are subsidizing the strap hangers and they are not subsidizing the drivers.

    Ah, but you forget that in addition to the excessive fuel tax, there is are the excise taxes, property taxes (these two depending on the particular state), registration fees, Mass Pike tolls, inspection fees, sales taxes, mandated insurance, and, maybe more obliquely, revenues raised by sporadic (as opposed to constant, meaning “let the drivers go unregulated for a while, letting speeds creep up etc., then cracking down to fill town/city/state coffers), all of which goes into the General Fund. And don’t forget wear and tear. Straphangers don’t pay that on their transportation. We all do.

    2) Taking public transportation offers public goods that benefit those that do not even use it. Primarily less congestion and less pollution, not to mention the indirect effect of lowering demand for oil, making the price you as a driver have to pay for it lower.

    The implication being that cars bad, bus good, right? I fully encourage the use of public trans where available (I would do it myself, despite some of the colorful characters I encountered back in Boston), but it should be a “pay as you go” system. Let those who use it bear the brunt of the cost, just as we car drivers do. The advantages bestowed upon the car driver by bus (bus = all public trans for brevity) riders is miniscule compared to the costs. You could just as easily say that car drivers free up seats on the bus for straphangers!

    Fair is fair, again to use that much maligned word.

    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:04 am, chapoutier said:

    Regarding the IRS… it isn’t so much gaming as the legislators providing loopholes for their benefactors.

    As someone who has had to read wayyyy too many IRS statutes, regulations, treasury decisions, revenue rulings, private letter rulings, TAMs, GCMs, determination letters, etc… I can say with confidence that this is just not true.

    People with money want to keep it rather than give it to the government. I am not condemning this impulse, just stating as fact. So they arrange transactions that may or may not meet the letter of the law, but clearly are trying to circumvent the intent. The IRS eventually gets wise and the law, whether by change in statute or regulation or whatever, changes, adjusts, and becomes more complex.

    I am not saying that there are not inefficiencies or unnecessary complications in our tax code. But for the most part they are the product of real life circumstances rather than politicians or lawyers.

    Two words: flat tax. Absolutely minimal deductions, say first dwelling, and children (let the screaming begin!).

    Simplification obviates the complexity that permits loopholes. If you say “you have to pay 15% of your gross income,” then that is it. When pols start to add various exceptions for whatever reason (usually political donations), the trouble begins.

  2. #102
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:32 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming.

    This is great news!

  3. #103
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:34 am, old trooper said:

    Hypocracy and elitism defined by Al Gore.

    He found a racket that gave him the Nobel Prize, got him back in the media and he still believes that he “deserved” the Presidency.

    He is still an elitist middle aged punk that just found a new recipe for snake oil. Underneath the rhetoric he is still a loser marketing a very qusetionable product.

  4. #104
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:35 am, JT said:

    RE: Public transportation

    Nothing better than sitting next to psychos and those that haven’t showered in a few days.

  5. #105
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:37 am, MikeOK said:

    Heh. Yet another reason to insist that Gore and his “carbon credit” scam businesses should be subjected to the same “windfall profits” taxes that Democrats want to impose on oil companies.

  6. #106
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:38 am, MikeOK said:

    JT -

    Actually, it’s a lot of fun to watch rich liberals who are professionals at “checkbook compassion” squirm when you dare suggest that they rub shoulders with the great unwashed masses.

  7. #107
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:41 am, Barry F. said:

    Update: Top news this morning…”The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming ‘incontrovertible.’”

    Oh, my! What is the Goracle and the MSM to do with this bit of news - ignore, downplay, deny?

  8. #108
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:42 am, JT said:

    old trooper,

    Every time I see the Goracle on MSM and some douche bag, mentions the “stolen election” I wanna put my foot through the TV. Gore just perpetuates the myth that he “won” with that stupid aw shucks shrug.

    The real truth is that Gore’s gotta be happy he didn’t make it. That POS couldn’t have handled 9-11. Plus, not winning has made him 100 million and growing.

    The possibility of having to buy carbon credits from this jerkoff makes me nuts.

  9. #109
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:42 am, jwehman said:

    Michelle - just as an FYI, the APS has posted this comment (from your link at dailytech):

    Update 7/17/2008: After publication of this story, the APS responded with a statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large.

  10. #110
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:43 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Barry F,
    They will divide and conquer… each one of those elements being used, of course. :-)

  11. #111
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:46 am, Mohawk said:

    Thanks for making me learn Michelle.

    Incontrovertible. Wow.

    Now I know what that means.

  12. #112
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:47 am, NotesInTheMargin.com said:

    Michelle,

    As a meteorologist, the topic of global warming is near and dear to my heart and I enjoy writing a lot about it on my own blog. In prepping a post about the climate stance, I wanted to learn more than what the DailyTech article provided.

    I wish, as much as you, that more scientific organizations would make their voices heard in opposition to the anthropomorphic global warming hypothesis, but unfortunately, the claim made in the DailyTech article is a bit of a stretch. The APS has not altered their official stance, as is mentioned on their homepage: http://www.aps.org/

    APS Climate Change Statement

    APS Position Remains Unchanged

    The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

    “Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”

    An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that “Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.” This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.

  13. #113
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:47 am, Mister P said:

    The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming.

    Good to have real scientists speak out against the sham foisted on them by pseudoscientists. Gore obviously is not concerned one wit about global warming or the environment.

    This has NEVER been about science. It has always been about controlling people and countries. It is about setting up a ONE WORLD global government and supernanny.

  14. #114
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:50 am, MCGusto said:

    Actually this is NOT true. If you go to the APS website, their stance remains UNCHANGED.

    APS Position Remains Unchanged

    The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

    “Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”

    An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that “Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.” This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.

    From http://www.aps.org/

  15. #115
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:50 am, Mister P said:

    As a meteorologist, the topic of global warming is near and dear to my heart and I enjoy writing a lot about it on my own blog. In prepping a post about the climate stance, I wanted to learn more than what the DailyTech article provided.

    Then you should be horrified by the blatant wastefulness of Al Gore. You should see that his own actions contradict everything that is near and dear to your heart. You should be happy when MM exposes him as a fraud so we can engage in REAL SCIENCE, not political science.

  16. #116
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:50 am, sonofdy said:

    The cracks are starting to show in the global warming boondoggle.

  17. #117
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:59 am, abstractmind said:

    Since the update is there now…

    LGM, you asked for 1 credible scientist.

    I call your 1, and raise you 49,999 more.

    Is 50000 a consensus enough for you, or do we need to try and work those other 31000 or so in? Your call.

  18. #118
    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:05 am, GladzKravtz said:

    The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and …

    Good gosh, and these are physicists? Physicists, aren’t they the people who are supposed to know the most about nuclear fission??
    Just had to stop there before reading about Gore.

  19. #119
    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:05 am, JT said:

    LGM = Stuck on Stupid

  20. #120
    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:09 am, corona said:
  21. #121
    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:11 am, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Algore; the sweaty palmed Vice-President

    We were inside and it was not even a warm day outside.

    Yet, shaking his hand was tantamount to putting your fist into a spit bucket at a prize fight.

  22. #122
    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:26 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:59 am, abstractmind said:
    Since the update is there now…

    LGM, you asked for 1 credible scientist.

    I call your 1, and raise you 49,999 more.

    Is 50000 a consensus enough for you, or do we need to try and work those other 31000 or so in? Your call.

    You are too hard on the sissy abstractmind. That is not what he saw on the latest TV special about global warming. They will tell the sissies that “all” credible scientist agree with them. And if they saw it on televison it must be true; why when Al Gore said it they played dramatic music! And who is a bigger sissy than Al Gore? So don’t be hard on the sissies abstractmind, it takes too long to mop up all the piddle puddles.

    JT said:
    LGM = Stuck on Stupid

    Latin? Greek? Sissy? All three?

    How you doing lgm? Still stuck in Left Field?

  23. #123
    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:31 am, amigoneus said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:25 pm, chapoutier said:
    Another point is the waste of money spent on light rail in cities that will never see the riders to support it’s operation, yet libs keep pushing for it.
    I’m guessing that those light rail systems are seeing a pretty significant uptick in ridership lately.

    Chap - here in Houston, TX, we have a 7 mile long lightrail that goes down Main Street. Between the several billion dollars it cost, the multiple accidents caused by its very poor placement (seriously should look it up, it would be funny if it weren’t true), the fact that it covers so little land and really goes nowhere, and the fact that payment is on the honor system, ridership may be up, but revenue isn’t. When a system is bleeding money as profusely as lightrail is (at least our lightrail) you can’t tell me it’s more efficient or practical as cars.

  24. #124
    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:36 am, Barry F. said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:09 am, corona said:

    Well, not by the organization as a whole, yet…

    Update 7/17/2008: After publication of this story, the APS responded with a statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large.

    But, it will be worth watching to see how the “Society at large” may change their position, as the Forum on Physics and Society calls for input from the scientific community.

    We, the editors of P&S, invite reasoned rebuttals from the authors as well as further contributions from the physics community. Please contact me (jjmarque@sbcglobal.net) if you wish to jump into this fray with comments or articles that are scientific in nature. However, we will not publish articles that are political or polemical in nature. Stick to the science! (JJM)

    I think it will be well worth some return trips to see how it all shakes out and others, I suspect, moving to the position that it is a sham.

  25. #125
    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:46 am, heroyalwhyness said:

    Text Frame in video at marker 3:38 states:

    Oh well . . .at least the car was nice and cool when Tipper and
    Karenna Gore finally got in and drove away . . .

    Notice that Karenna was wearing a long sleeved hoodie despite it being over ninety degrees outside.
    I wonder what the air conditioned temperature was set at in the hall for this event. Mr. Gore must like it really “cool” whereever he is.

  26. #126
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:04 am, d1carter said:

    Did the Goreacle have his Carbon Credit vending machine in the lobby of the hall so those who had “sinned” could purchase some carbon credits?

  27. #127
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:16 am, abstractmind said:

    ArizonaNeanderthal,

    I’m already wearing kidskin gloves for this.
    Let Al Gore come mop up the puddles.

    I am, however, kinda miffed that the position was reversed. Was a nice idea if that had actually been the case.

    I’ll just have to stick with the other 31000 scientists then

  28. #128
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am, fulldroolcup said:

    chapoutier: And BTW, those who take public transportation also pay taxes so you can drive on nice paved roads.

    Snork! Those who take public transportation tend to be poor to lower-middle class, paying almost NO federal taxes.

    Let’s use your claim for schools, the police, and fire protection to further investigate the logic of your claim: people who rent don’t pay property taxes, which are the major source of funding for those services — yet they get to avail themselves of them.

    q.e.d.

  29. #129
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:28 am, atheling said:

    I wonder why government has not found a way to tax bicyclists. They use the nice paved roads like we motorists do. In my town, they even have bicycle lanes - courtesy of motorists’ tax dollars.

  30. #130
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:35 am, chapoutier said:

    Snork! Those who take public transportation tend to be poor to lower-middle class, paying almost NO federal taxes.

    Go to New York or DC and look at the commuter rails and subways and see if you can count all of the suits. Or, if nothing else, don’t you want to make sure all those poor people have a cheap way of getting to work so they actually contribute to society rather than living off welfare?

    I do not believe, nor have ever said that public transportation makes sense for everyone or everywhere. That said, the public at large, whether you take it or not benefits from robust systems.

    people who rent don’t pay property taxes

    Yeah. I am sure that property taxes aren’t passed on by the landlord to the tenant. No doubt he is happy to just eat that cost. And the poor renter doesn’t even get a mortgage deduction!

  31. #131
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:39 am, fulldroolcup said:

    Gore’s proposal is stupefyingly ignorant.

    Seems he would destroy all existing electricity-producing plants running on coal, oil and natural gas and replace them with “alternative sources” that have no freakin’ chance, simply as a matter of physics, of generating an equivalent amount of energy.

    Wind is the most stupid of all ideas. When wind dies, so does the electrical grid its based on. You can’t store energy generated by wind power. It takes time for backups to kick in, and meantime, there’s no power. (and, of course, you have to bear the cost of the backup even when it’s not being used). Wind turbines are eyesores. Even T. Boone Pickens, who is pushing wind, says he doesn’t have any wind turbines on his huge farm ….”because they are ugly”!!!!

    Nuclear, of course, remains out of the question, because it is dangerous —-even though France (France!!) is generating almost 80% of its elecric power from it.

    And, of course, destroying existing plants would be to commit economic waste on a grand scale.

    It’s like the fool who suggested tearing down houses in CA in order to reduce the existing housing stock and “thereby” drive up the prices of the rest.

    BZZZZTTTTT!!!!

    Jebus, to think we almost selected this clown Gore to be POTUS.

  32. #132
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:39 am, Hexadecimal said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:02 pm, chapoutier said:

    And BTW, those who take public transportation also pay taxes so you can drive on nice paved roads.

    I’d like to know where these nice paved roads are, because in Pennsylvania, we don’t have them. :P

  33. #133
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:45 am, abstractmind said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am, fulldroolcup said:

    I would also reference for some food for thought.

    There is a line that runs in nashville that found itself in a 1.8 million dollar deficit. The state transportation board is giving them 1 million dollars to subsidize the project.

  34. #134
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:50 am, Karmi said:

    $8-a-gallon gas…well, that would be one way to clean up Washington by throwing the entire congress out…out of the country.

    Did notice that the APS did an immediate update to their first statement:

    After publication of this story, the APS responded with a statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large.

  35. #135
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:51 am, fulldroolcup said:

    Go to New York or DC and look at the commuter rails and subways and see if you can count all of the suits.

    But that’s not what you said. And I said “tend to”.

    Or, if nothing else, don’t you want to make sure all those poor people have a cheap way of getting to work so they actually contribute to society rather than living off welfare?

    A strawman argument, and “new matter” to boot. In any case I would like to hear you say you want to ensure that poor people who drive cars also have a cheap way of getting to work.

    I do not believe, nor have ever said that public transportation makes sense for everyone or everywhere.

    Who said you believed that?

    That said, the public at large, whether you take it or not benefits from robust systems.

    Not all “systems”. Light rail, for example, has been an economic failure everwhere it’s been imposed by greenies.

    The 100-year old metro systems in New York and Boston, for example, have “sunk” capital costs long paid for. Neighborhoods have grown up around the systems. New underground systems will cost billions, require new taxes, disrupt neighborhoods during their construction — which takes years. Buses emit diesel fumes or consume electricity.

    If drilling our way to cheaper oil won’t work, why would digging our way to public transport work any better?

    Green, by the way, is the new Red.

  36. #136
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:55 am, Travis McGee said:

    It’s really okay, because Algore is paying 500 Ethiopian kids to starve themselves to death. This is going to offset the event’s carbon output. Goddess Gaia approves. The important thing is that Algore gets his message out to the unwashed masses.

  37. #137
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:58 am, kemphd said:

    I still want to know what the Global Warming alarmists think about the Medieval Warm Period. We haven’t been keeping records long enough to really know what we’re talking about.

  38. #138
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, RedRepub said:

    Great video, BUT-

    I think the camera guy needs to be less rapid-fire on his questions. It makes people suspicious and they clam up. He needs to seem more subtle, like he’s a supporter. Then folks will be more comfortable telling him what they think.

    The rapid-fire technique is used frequently the Howard Stern Show (to celebrities) and the Church of Scientology (to protestors).

    It’s called “bull baiting”. They try to provoke the person they are interviewing into fits of anger and outrage. Then when they play the tape back, they can say, “See how crazy these people are??”

  39. #139
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, chapoutier said:

    If drilling our way to cheaper oil won’t work, why would digging our way to public transport work any better?

    I’ve got no problem with more drilling so long as it is part of a robust energy plan that greatly increases our investment in alternative energy.

  40. #140
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, lgm said:

    The Americal Physical Society web site today denies that they have changed their position. It says that they hold the position they held last year. In other words, the right wing deniers are wrong again.

    APS Climate Change Statement

    APS Position Remains Unchanged

    The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

    “Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”

  41. #141
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, abstractmind said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, chapoutier said:

    If, using the current estimate of the total of oil we could be drilling, we could drill enough (and presuming we didnt shove the majority on the world market but kept it for our own use), it would be enough to roughly make us oil independant for about 30 years (source: Phil Valentine).

    30 years is a good span of time to remove our dependancy on others for our own energy, and develop other alternatives.

  42. #142
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, abstractmind said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, lgm said:

    thats been covered about 2 dozen times already, but thanks for the update we already knew about :)

  43. #143
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, sonofdy said:

    LGM
    you still haven’t refuted these 31,072 scientists who disagree with global warming. And the link you included also says they are looking at it again so they probably will change thier story once all the facts are out.

  44. #144
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, lgm said:

    About half a day late again, huh? We’ve already been over that.

    Let’s see how the Forum on Physics and Society’s activity shakes out, before you get too excited.

    In the interim, you might read up on Lord Monckton’s position over at the same site.

  45. #145
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, iowavette said:

    I’ll tell you this, the only time you’ll see far-left wingbats in Detroit iron is when they’re being ferried in limo’s or carted off to the cemetery.

  46. #146
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, wighttrasch said:

    Snork! Those who take public transportation tend to be poor to lower-middle class, paying almost NO federal taxes.

    Thank you, fulldroolcup.

    Plus, why is it that the buses spew the blackest, stinkiest smoke? We get around one as fast as we can, if we get behind one in the city.

  47. #147
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, wighttrasch said:

    Snork! Those who take public transportation tend to be poor to lower-middle class, paying almost NO federal taxes.

    Thank you, fulldroolcup.

    Plus, why is it that the buses spew the blackest, stinkiest smoke? We get around one as fast as we can, if we get behind one in the city.

  48. #148
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, wighttrasch said:

    son of a !

    sorry for the doublepost.

  49. #149
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, HandsOffMyPaycheckCommie said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, lgm said:
    The Americal Physical Society web site today denies that they have changed their position. It says that they hold the position they held last year. In other words, the right wing deniers are wrong again.

    Actually, ABC broke the story, and thanks to their wonderful fact-

  50. #150
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, HandsOffMyPaycheckCommie said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, lgm said:
    The Americal Physical Society web site today denies that they have changed their position. It says that they hold the position they held last year. In other words, the right wing deniers are wrong again.

    Actually, ABC broke the story, and thanks to their wonderful fact-

  51. #151
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, HandsOffMyPaycheckCommie said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, lgm said:
    The Americal Physical Society web site today denies that they have changed their position. It says that they hold the position they held last year. In other words, the right wing deniers are wrong again.

    Actually, ABC broke the story, and thanks to their wonderful fact-

  52. #152
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, HandsOffMyPaycheckCommie said:

    checking, got it wrong again.

    Preview….not submit!

  53. #153
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, abstractmind said:

    I would like to see this iset updated though, so everything is accurate.

  54. #154
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, abstractmind said:

    *site updated
    corrected!

  55. #155
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, abstractmind said:

    *site updated
    corrected!

  56. #156
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, Barry F. said:

    Is there something going on with WordPress today causing all the double-posts on here?

  57. #157
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, lgm said:

    Barry F. said (#144):

    Let’s see how the Forum on Physics and Society’s activity shakes out, before you get too excited.

    In the interim, you might read up on Lord Monckton’s position over at the same site.

    The Physics and Society newsletter states:

    The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article’s conclusions.

    In other words, they are willing to publish the thoughts of a global warming denier, presumably for the purpose of debunking him.

    And before you get too excited about the American Physical Society and its conservative positions, you should look at what they say about creationism and intelligent design.

    HandsOffMyPaycheckCommie said (#151):

    Actually, ABC broke the story,

    The MSM reporting of science is usually bad. Still, all you bloggers might want to check it out for yourselves before hyperventilating over it.

  58. #158
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:48 pm, corkie said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, lgm said:

    The Americal Physical Society web site today denies that they have changed their position. It says that they hold the position they held last year. In other words, the right wing deniers are wrong again.

    lgm, why are you posting here about AGW? Didn’t we agree that you wouldn’t attempt to discuss the scientific merits of AGW again?

    I fully expect your next post on this topic to fully disclose the scientific mechanism by which CO2 supposedly warms the earth.

  59. #159
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, lgm said:

    In other words, they are willing to publish the thoughts of a global warming denier, presumably for the purpose of debunking him.

    Really, that’s not what I got from a straight forward reading of the editor’s page at APS. It looks like they are inviting pro and con contributions. Try not to read too much into things, lgm. Articles don’t tend to get immediately peer-reviewed.

    And before you get too excited about the American Physical Society and its conservative positions, you should look at what they say about creationism and intelligent design.

    You want to jack this thread to “Creationism and Intelligent Design”.

    You’re better off sticking to one liberal rant at a time. Geez. :roll:

  60. #160
    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Huh, I step away for a moment and then this?

    Good one Chap, but I believe elitists enjoy the evening zephyr. Trade winds are for working men and women. Duststorms are enjoyed by people named Joad, and I believe they are all Democrats.

    And I’ll admit Misssissippi may have worse summers than St. Louis. Though a steamy, mosquito filled swamp has it’s temptations.

    Of course the post is about Gore and his minons wasting energy while lecturing us.

  61. #161
    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:14 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Huh, I step away for a moment and then this?

    Well, you had better quit leaving your post, AG. :lol:

  62. #162
    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    Yeah. I am sure that property taxes aren’t passed on by the landlord to the tenant. No doubt he is happy to just eat that cost. And the poor renter doesn’t even get a mortgage deduction!

    A truly sh*tty comparison. the renter doesn’t risk losing his home or having his wages garnished if he doesn’t pay his rent. In my state, it takes at least six months for a renter who stiffs his landlord of the rent to be evicted, and the renter almost never has to pay his back rent.

    But miss a quarterly property tax payment? The town tax assessor is on you like white on rice.

    And by your “reasoning”, chapoutier, EVERYTHING a non-tax payer buys has federal/state taxes on the profits built into its retail price, so EVERYONE pays income taxes, right?

  63. #163
    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, chapoutier said:

    the renter doesn’t risk losing his home or having his wages garnished if he doesn’t pay his rent. In my state, it takes at least six months for a renter who stiffs his landlord of the rent to be evicted, and the renter almost never has to pay his back rent.

    What does any of this have to do with the fact that a landlord will pass on the costs of real estate taxes to the renter?

    Have you ever signed a triple net lease? That is where the renter pays the insurance, utilities and property tax. Guess what? The rent on a triple net is a lot cheaper than on a non-triple net. Why? I’ll bet you can figure it out. The landlord may be the direct payor of the tax, but if you don’t think it is ultimately paid by the tenant, you are delusional.

    And by your “reasoning”, chapoutier, EVERYTHING a non-tax payer buys has federal/state taxes on the profits built into its retail price, so EVERYONE pays income taxes, right?

    It is not as neat and tidy a line as with property taxes and a renter, but if you don’t think that the taxes a business has to pay are worked into the price of its goods or services, again, you are delusional.

  64. #164
    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:33 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    But miss a quarterly property tax payment? The town tax assessor is on you like white on rice.

    That wasn’t a racist comment, was it it? :evil:

  65. #165
    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, lgm said:

    Barry F. said (#159):

    Articles don’t tend to get immediately peer-reviewed.

    Wrong. If an article is going to be peer reviewed, that will happen before it is published, not after.

    Do you believe in Darwinism? If not, you should not rely that much on the APS.

  66. #166
    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:43 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, lgm said:

    Dang. Just when I was getting over the last exchange. :lol:

    I “rely” on APS about as much as I “rely” on you. Being a Math professor, I trust you can calculate that. ;-)

  67. #167
    On July 18th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, wighttrasch said:

    They must be in a vehicle that keeps them safe from wackoes, aggressive paparazzis and fans, …

    If I have to ’sacrifice’, so do they. Celebrities provide no service that I can’t do without!!

  68. #168
    On July 18th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, nlebou said:

    And I’ll admit Misssissippi may have worse summers than St. Louis. Though a steamy, mosquito filled swamp has it’s temptations.

    You have no idea what hot and steamy is until you have experienced a south Louisiana summer.

  69. #169
    On July 18th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, chapoutier said:

    You have no idea what hot and steamy is until you have experienced a south Louisiana summer.

    Or seen 9 1/2 Weeks.

  70. #170
    On July 18th, 2008 at 5:28 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    Cough-cough…

    Getting hard to…breathe…all the…CO2…emitted in DC…making me…dizzy…

    What? Those are Al Gore’s cars?

    Ah, I’m OK now.

    I like how the “convenient” jab went right over the woman’s head at 1:26. I guess people need to be educated that a cab isn’t really the kind of public transportation that cuts down on pollutants. Of course, neither are buses that drive around the city all day and at times only have a couple of people riding them.

    At least Mrs. Gore and daughter carpooled together.

  71. #171
    On July 18th, 2008 at 6:08 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, lgm said:

    Barry F. said (#159):

    Articles don’t tend to get immediately peer-reviewed.

    Wrong. If an article is going to be peer reviewed, that will happen before it is published, not after.

    Absolutely correct. And if it was peer reviewed and published, the authors must have answered any criticisms to get the final go ahead for publication, no? Editors do not publish erroneous papers. Bad for the rep.

    You are the math boy: are their calculations wrong? Are their assumptions incorrect? What exactly is your scientific, not political, assessment of Lord Monckton’s paper?

    Do you believe in Darwinism? If not, you should not rely that much on the APS.

    Relevance?

    On July 18th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, chapoutier said:

    You have no idea what hot and steamy is until you have experienced a south Louisiana summer.

    Or seen 9 1/2 Weeks.

    Oh yes indeed. ;-)

  72. #172
    On July 18th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, Dimsdale said:

    Caught the update. The paper is not peer reviewed prior to publication in the newsletter.

    I am sure lgm will double check the calculations for us…

  73. #173
    On July 18th, 2008 at 6:34 pm, lgm said:

    Dimsdale said (#171):

    are their calculations wrong? Are their assumptions incorrect? What exactly is your scientific, not political, assessment of Lord Monckton’s paper?

    Starting where I am now, it would take me at least a year (more likely two) working full time (no teaching, grad students, committees, …) to become enough of an expert to have an independent technical opinion of the science. That’s why I rely on the experts.

  74. #174
    On July 18th, 2008 at 7:25 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Update: A clarification from APS about its stand:

    And we’re supposed to give serious consideration to the opinions of the APS about the validity of man-made global warming, when they can’t even assume an explicit stance on the issue? Yeah, right!

  75. #175
    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Basinger suffers from agoraphobia, which she blames on discomfort early in her Hollywood career from people “ogling” her when was required to appear in bikinis. She said she was in “misery because people were looking at [her]” and that she would go “home and play piano and scream at night to let out… frustrations.”[wikipedia]

    Chap and Dimsdale I hope you’re proud of yourselves, giving this poor beautiful woman agoraphobia. Kim, if you’re reading this, come over to the house and scream, I promise not to look…

    /OT, sorry, not meant to threadjack :)

  76. #176
    On July 18th, 2008 at 11:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    I don’t think kim was ever in a bikini in that one, Aloha. Or at least not for very long.

    But good luck. Go get her!

  77. #177
    On July 19th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, ggchuck said:
  78. #178
    On July 19th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, ggchuck said:

    The link I labeled as “Part of Monckton’s letter to the American Physical Society:” is actually a link to the entire letter. The header was intended to address the quoted text, not the link.

    Sorry for any confusion.

  79. #179
    On July 19th, 2008 at 11:21 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 6:34 pm, lgm said:

    Dimsdale said (#171):

    are their calculations wrong? Are their assumptions incorrect? What exactly is your scientific, not political, assessment of Lord Monckton’s paper?

    Starting where I am now, it would take me at least a year (more likely two) working full time (no teaching, grad students, committees, …) to become enough of an expert to have an independent technical opinion of the science. That’s why I rely on the experts.

    Exactly my point: most of the sources of AGW theory aren’t even honest enough to admit that they have no clue (Gore) or are trying to get grant money and know what they have to say to get funded.

    You have to at least scan the paper an read the relative points, especially the Conclusions.

    I presume that if/when Monckton is shown to be correct, you will come around to the “denier” way of thinking? More and more scientists are coming around after examining the facts. Let us hope it is before the AGW mob destroys our economy following “Chicken Little” Gore.

    I just don’t know how “believers” dispute facts like simultaneous warming on other planets or significantly more severe global warming that predated man, not to mention SUVs (like the last interglacial period, about 125K years ago, where sea levels were 15 to 18 FEET above present levels).

    Heck, just having to use words like “denier” and “believer” shows what a cult AGW is versus real science.

  80. #180
    On July 19th, 2008 at 11:27 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Basinger suffers from agoraphobia, which she blames on discomfort early in her Hollywood career from people “ogling” her when was required to appear in bikinis. She said she was in “misery because people were looking at [her]” and that she would go “home and play piano and scream at night to let out… frustrations.”[wikipedia]

    Chap and Dimsdale I hope you’re proud of yourselves, giving this poor beautiful woman agoraphobia. Kim, if you’re reading this, come over to the house and scream, I promise not to look…

    /OT, sorry, not meant to threadjack :)

    LOL!

    I am sure that Basinger suffers more mental misery from nightmares due to her unbelievably poor choice of a (second) husband: the insufferable Alec Baldwin. Poor thing. Remember that when you are comforting her.

  81. #181
    On July 19th, 2008 at 11:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    the insufferable Alec Baldwin.

    How dare you disparage the most talented of all the Baldwins!

  82. #182
    On July 19th, 2008 at 11:38 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On July 19th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, ggchuck said:

    The link I labeled as “Part of Monckton’s letter to the American Physical Society:” is actually a link to the entire letter. The header was intended to address the quoted text, not the link.

    Sorry for any confusion.

    No problem! Thank you for the link. The following paragraph is like poetry (to me anyway), delivering several subtle yet unmistakable scientific slaps to the face that, in another time, would surely have resulted in a duel:

    Please either remove the offending red-flag text at once or let me have the name and qualifications of the member of the Council or advisor to
    it who considered my paper before the Council ordered the offending text
    to be posted above my paper; a copy of this rapporteur’s findings and
    ratio decidendi; the date of the Council meeting at which the findings
    were presented; a copy of the minutes of the discussion; and a copy of
    the text of the Council’s decision, together with the names of those
    present at the meeting. If the Council has not scientifically evaluated
    or formally considered my paper, may I ask with what credible scientific
    justification, and on whose authority, the offending text asserts primo,
    that the paper had not been scientifically reviewed when it had;
    secundo, that its conclusions disagree with what is said (on no evidence) to be the “overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community”; and, tertio, that “The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article’s conclusions”? Which of my conclusions does the Council disagree with, and on what scientific
    grounds (if any)?

    This is a man with whom you would not like to be in a war of words. The verbal slaps were delivered like Bruce Lee delivered kicks to the solar plexus.

  83. #183
    On July 19th, 2008 at 11:48 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On July 19th, 2008 at 11:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    the insufferable Alec Baldwin.

    How dare you disparage the most talented of all the Baldwins!

    That speaks for itself! LOL!

    Now I am going to look up that movie on Ebay…

  84. #184
    On July 21st, 2008 at 2:09 am, scottthong said:
  85. #185
    On July 21st, 2008 at 11:45 am, corkie said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 6:34 pm, lgm said:

    Starting where I am now, it would take me at least a year (more likely two) working full time (no teaching, grad students, committees, …) to become enough of an expert to have an independent technical opinion of the science. That’s why I rely on the experts.

    Wow! A whole year working full time?

    lgm, I admire your honesty about how far behind you are in your understanding of the AGW theory.

  86. #186
    On July 21st, 2008 at 11:50 am, ggchuck said:

    On July 21st, 2008 at 2:09 am, scottthong said: [#184]

    Monckton isn’t taking the lies and betrayal lying down.

    Thanks for the link. It’s too bad that meat of this issue is lost at the end of a thread that is not only split in topics but begins with a false assumption that misrepresents the position of the American Physical Society.

    The APS is the initial victim in this flap. Unfortunately, their response was inappropriate, inaccurate/misleading, and grossly unfair to Lord Monckton.

  87. #187
    On July 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pm, ggchuck said:

    I hate to beat a dead horse, and I’m probably the only one reading this old stale threat, but I felt the need to review how I perceive the events on this fiasco.

    1 - The American Physical Society accepted a paper for publication in its newsletter that draws a conclusion that is different than the official position of the Society. The APS should be commended for this as it shows willingness to address debate on a very important subject.

    2- The Daily Tech ran an article that erroneously claimed that the APS had changed its stance, not just allowed a dissenting opinion be presented.

    3- In a knee-jerk reaction, the APS quickly sought to minimize the false interpretation of their official stance. Part of that reaction was the inclusion of a rude, disparaging, and misleading disclaimer on the paper itself. The unfortunate victim of this response is Lord Monckton, the author of the paper.

    4- Probably in response to an indignant letter by Lord Monckton, the APS revised the note on the article itself to a reasoned indication of the paper’s value and reiterated that the APS official position had not changed.

    5- The villain in this mess: The Daily Tech. Not only did they allow an article to be headlined with a falsehood, their response was minimal. They added a discrete disclaimer at the end of the article where they mention the APS denial.

    6- As of July 21, The Daily Tech still allows the headline to stand and the first sentence to stand unchanged and unchallenged. If they are hesitant to change text, they should still provide a very prominent correction so anyone reading the article is informed that it is false (as Michelle did). As it stands, I still see links to the article (even from Rush’s page).

    Geeze, I hate it when conservatives behave like liberals.

  88. #188
    On July 21st, 2008 at 8:40 pm, corkie said:

    Well summarized and good conclusion, ggchuck.

  89. #189
    On September 5th, 2008 at 5:15 pm, Baltimore Jack said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080905/lf_afp/switzerlandarchaeologyclimatewarming

    The left sometimes forgets to pick up after themselves. In their zeal to champion “global worming” (intentional) as caused by evil modern achievers (aka Americans), they inadvertently refute the lie with contrarian evidence in the same article. Never let the facts get in the way of a good cause, right MM?

    …They have allowed researchers not only to piece together snapshots of life way back when, but also to shed light on climate fluctuations in the past 6,500 years — and hopefully shed light on what is happening now.
    “For us, the site itself is the most important find because we have this correlation between climate change and archaeological objects,” Hafner said.
    “We know that people were only able to walk on this site when it was relatively warm,” said Martin Grosjean, executive director of a national network called Swiss Climate Research. “When it was too cold, the glacier advanced and it was not a passable route.

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