Limousine liberal video of the day: Gore and his gas-guzzling fans exposed!; Update: What global warming consensus?
Update: Top news this morning…”The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming ‘incontrovertible.’”
Update: A clarification from APS about its stand:
The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:
“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”
An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that “Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.” This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.
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You’re going to love this video from Americans for Prosperity, whose staff caught eco-hypocrisy on full display at Al Gore’s big energy sermon in Washington, D.C. earlier today.
Ed Frank writes: “We’re back from Al Gore’s big global warming speech, and boy did we have a great time! We had a dedicated band of taxpayer advocates out in force, pointing out the high economic cost of global warming alarmism - starting with $8 a gallon gasoline. Of course, we saw plenty of hypocrisy — especially the fact that Gore didn’t ride his bike or take public transporation to the event. He didn’t even take his Prius! Instead, he brought a fleet of two Lincoln Town Cars and a Chevy Suburban SUV! Even worse, the driver of the Town Car that eventually whisked away Gore’s wife and daughter left the engine idling and the AC cranking for 20 minutes before they finally left!”
Enjoy the spectacle and be sure to watch the very end:
Gulfstream libs following in their hugetastic carbon footprint-bearing Goracle:
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Ah, but you forget that in addition to the excessive fuel tax, there is are the excise taxes, property taxes (these two depending on the particular state), registration fees, Mass Pike tolls, inspection fees, sales taxes, mandated insurance, and, maybe more obliquely, revenues raised by sporadic (as opposed to constant, meaning “let the drivers go unregulated for a while, letting speeds creep up etc., then cracking down to fill town/city/state coffers), all of which goes into the General Fund. And don’t forget wear and tear. Straphangers don’t pay that on their transportation. We all do.
The implication being that cars bad, bus good, right? I fully encourage the use of public trans where available (I would do it myself, despite some of the colorful characters I encountered back in Boston), but it should be a “pay as you go” system. Let those who use it bear the brunt of the cost, just as we car drivers do. The advantages bestowed upon the car driver by bus (bus = all public trans for brevity) riders is miniscule compared to the costs. You could just as easily say that car drivers free up seats on the bus for straphangers!
Fair is fair, again to use that much maligned word.
Two words: flat tax. Absolutely minimal deductions, say first dwelling, and children (let the screaming begin!).
Simplification obviates the complexity that permits loopholes. If you say “you have to pay 15% of your gross income,” then that is it. When pols start to add various exceptions for whatever reason (usually political donations), the trouble begins.
This is great news!
Hypocracy and elitism defined by Al Gore.
He found a racket that gave him the Nobel Prize, got him back in the media and he still believes that he “deserved” the Presidency.
He is still an elitist middle aged punk that just found a new recipe for snake oil. Underneath the rhetoric he is still a loser marketing a very qusetionable product.
RE: Public transportation
Nothing better than sitting next to psychos and those that haven’t showered in a few days.
Heh. Yet another reason to insist that Gore and his “carbon credit” scam businesses should be subjected to the same “windfall profits” taxes that Democrats want to impose on oil companies.
JT -
Actually, it’s a lot of fun to watch rich liberals who are professionals at “checkbook compassion” squirm when you dare suggest that they rub shoulders with the great unwashed masses.
Oh, my! What is the Goracle and the MSM to do with this bit of news - ignore, downplay, deny?
old trooper,
Every time I see the Goracle on MSM and some douche bag, mentions the “stolen election” I wanna put my foot through the TV. Gore just perpetuates the myth that he “won” with that stupid aw shucks shrug.
The real truth is that Gore’s gotta be happy he didn’t make it. That POS couldn’t have handled 9-11. Plus, not winning has made him 100 million and growing.
The possibility of having to buy carbon credits from this jerkoff makes me nuts.
Michelle - just as an FYI, the APS has posted this comment (from your link at dailytech):
Barry F,
They will divide and conquer… each one of those elements being used, of course.
Thanks for making me learn Michelle.
Incontrovertible. Wow.
Now I know what that means.
Michelle,
As a meteorologist, the topic of global warming is near and dear to my heart and I enjoy writing a lot about it on my own blog. In prepping a post about the climate stance, I wanted to learn more than what the DailyTech article provided.
I wish, as much as you, that more scientific organizations would make their voices heard in opposition to the anthropomorphic global warming hypothesis, but unfortunately, the claim made in the DailyTech article is a bit of a stretch. The APS has not altered their official stance, as is mentioned on their homepage: http://www.aps.org/
Good to have real scientists speak out against the sham foisted on them by pseudoscientists. Gore obviously is not concerned one wit about global warming or the environment.
This has NEVER been about science. It has always been about controlling people and countries. It is about setting up a ONE WORLD global government and supernanny.
Actually this is NOT true. If you go to the APS website, their stance remains UNCHANGED.
From http://www.aps.org/
Then you should be horrified by the blatant wastefulness of Al Gore. You should see that his own actions contradict everything that is near and dear to your heart. You should be happy when MM exposes him as a fraud so we can engage in REAL SCIENCE, not political science.
The cracks are starting to show in the global warming boondoggle.
Since the update is there now…
LGM, you asked for 1 credible scientist.
I call your 1, and raise you 49,999 more.
Is 50000 a consensus enough for you, or do we need to try and work those other 31000 or so in? Your call.
Good gosh, and these are physicists? Physicists, aren’t they the people who are supposed to know the most about nuclear fission??
Just had to stop there before reading about Gore.
LGM = Stuck on Stupid
Correction!
There was no APS reversal
Algore; the sweaty palmed Vice-President
We were inside and it was not even a warm day outside.
Yet, shaking his hand was tantamount to putting your fist into a spit bucket at a prize fight.
You are too hard on the sissy abstractmind. That is not what he saw on the latest TV special about global warming. They will tell the sissies that “all” credible scientist agree with them. And if they saw it on televison it must be true; why when Al Gore said it they played dramatic music! And who is a bigger sissy than Al Gore? So don’t be hard on the sissies abstractmind, it takes too long to mop up all the piddle puddles.
Latin? Greek? Sissy? All three?
How you doing lgm? Still stuck in Left Field?
Chap - here in Houston, TX, we have a 7 mile long lightrail that goes down Main Street. Between the several billion dollars it cost, the multiple accidents caused by its very poor placement (seriously should look it up, it would be funny if it weren’t true), the fact that it covers so little land and really goes nowhere, and the fact that payment is on the honor system, ridership may be up, but revenue isn’t. When a system is bleeding money as profusely as lightrail is (at least our lightrail) you can’t tell me it’s more efficient or practical as cars.
Well, not by the organization as a whole, yet…
But, it will be worth watching to see how the “Society at large” may change their position, as the Forum on Physics and Society calls for input from the scientific community.
I think it will be well worth some return trips to see how it all shakes out and others, I suspect, moving to the position that it is a sham.
Text Frame in video at marker 3:38 states:
Notice that Karenna was wearing a long sleeved hoodie despite it being over ninety degrees outside.
I wonder what the air conditioned temperature was set at in the hall for this event. Mr. Gore must like it really “cool” whereever he is.
Did the Goreacle have his Carbon Credit vending machine in the lobby of the hall so those who had “sinned” could purchase some carbon credits?
ArizonaNeanderthal,
I’m already wearing kidskin gloves for this.
Let Al Gore come mop up the puddles.
I am, however, kinda miffed that the position was reversed. Was a nice idea if that had actually been the case.
I’ll just have to stick with the other 31000 scientists then
Snork! Those who take public transportation tend to be poor to lower-middle class, paying almost NO federal taxes.
Let’s use your claim for schools, the police, and fire protection to further investigate the logic of your claim: people who rent don’t pay property taxes, which are the major source of funding for those services — yet they get to avail themselves of them.
q.e.d.
I wonder why government has not found a way to tax bicyclists. They use the nice paved roads like we motorists do. In my town, they even have bicycle lanes - courtesy of motorists’ tax dollars.
Go to New York or DC and look at the commuter rails and subways and see if you can count all of the suits. Or, if nothing else, don’t you want to make sure all those poor people have a cheap way of getting to work so they actually contribute to society rather than living off welfare?
I do not believe, nor have ever said that public transportation makes sense for everyone or everywhere. That said, the public at large, whether you take it or not benefits from robust systems.
Yeah. I am sure that property taxes aren’t passed on by the landlord to the tenant. No doubt he is happy to just eat that cost. And the poor renter doesn’t even get a mortgage deduction!
Gore’s proposal is stupefyingly ignorant.
Seems he would destroy all existing electricity-producing plants running on coal, oil and natural gas and replace them with “alternative sources” that have no freakin’ chance, simply as a matter of physics, of generating an equivalent amount of energy.
Wind is the most stupid of all ideas. When wind dies, so does the electrical grid its based on. You can’t store energy generated by wind power. It takes time for backups to kick in, and meantime, there’s no power. (and, of course, you have to bear the cost of the backup even when it’s not being used). Wind turbines are eyesores. Even T. Boone Pickens, who is pushing wind, says he doesn’t have any wind turbines on his huge farm ….”because they are ugly”!!!!
Nuclear, of course, remains out of the question, because it is dangerous —-even though France (France!!) is generating almost 80% of its elecric power from it.
And, of course, destroying existing plants would be to commit economic waste on a grand scale.
It’s like the fool who suggested tearing down houses in CA in order to reduce the existing housing stock and “thereby” drive up the prices of the rest.
BZZZZTTTTT!!!!
Jebus, to think we almost selected this clown Gore to be POTUS.
On July 17th, 2008 at 11:02 pm, chapoutier said:
I’d like to know where these nice paved roads are, because in Pennsylvania, we don’t have them.
On July 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am, fulldroolcup said:
I would also reference for some food for thought.
There is a line that runs in nashville that found itself in a 1.8 million dollar deficit. The state transportation board is giving them 1 million dollars to subsidize the project.
$8-a-gallon gas…well, that would be one way to clean up Washington by throwing the entire congress out…out of the country.
Did notice that the APS did an immediate update to their first statement:
But that’s not what you said. And I said “tend to”.
A strawman argument, and “new matter” to boot. In any case I would like to hear you say you want to ensure that poor people who drive cars also have a cheap way of getting to work.
Who said you believed that?
Not all “systems”. Light rail, for example, has been an economic failure everwhere it’s been imposed by greenies.
The 100-year old metro systems in New York and Boston, for example, have “sunk” capital costs long paid for. Neighborhoods have grown up around the systems. New underground systems will cost billions, require new taxes, disrupt neighborhoods during their construction — which takes years. Buses emit diesel fumes or consume electricity.
If drilling our way to cheaper oil won’t work, why would digging our way to public transport work any better?
Green, by the way, is the new Red.
It’s really okay, because Algore is paying 500 Ethiopian kids to starve themselves to death. This is going to offset the event’s carbon output. Goddess Gaia approves. The important thing is that Algore gets his message out to the unwashed masses.
I still want to know what the Global Warming alarmists think about the Medieval Warm Period. We haven’t been keeping records long enough to really know what we’re talking about.
Great video, BUT-
I think the camera guy needs to be less rapid-fire on his questions. It makes people suspicious and they clam up. He needs to seem more subtle, like he’s a supporter. Then folks will be more comfortable telling him what they think.
The rapid-fire technique is used frequently the Howard Stern Show (to celebrities) and the Church of Scientology (to protestors).
It’s called “bull baiting”. They try to provoke the person they are interviewing into fits of anger and outrage. Then when they play the tape back, they can say, “See how crazy these people are??”
I’ve got no problem with more drilling so long as it is part of a robust energy plan that greatly increases our investment in alternative energy.
The Americal Physical Society web site today denies that they have changed their position. It says that they hold the position they held last year. In other words, the right wing deniers are wrong again.
On July 18th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, chapoutier said:
If, using the current estimate of the total of oil we could be drilling, we could drill enough (and presuming we didnt shove the majority on the world market but kept it for our own use), it would be enough to roughly make us oil independant for about 30 years (source: Phil Valentine).
30 years is a good span of time to remove our dependancy on others for our own energy, and develop other alternatives.
thats been covered about 2 dozen times already, but thanks for the update we already knew about
LGM
you still haven’t refuted these 31,072 scientists who disagree with global warming. And the link you included also says they are looking at it again so they probably will change thier story once all the facts are out.
About half a day late again, huh? We’ve already been over that.
Let’s see how the Forum on Physics and Society’s activity shakes out, before you get too excited.
In the interim, you might read up on Lord Monckton’s position over at the same site.
I’ll tell you this, the only time you’ll see far-left wingbats in Detroit iron is when they’re being ferried in limo’s or carted off to the cemetery.
Thank you, fulldroolcup.
Plus, why is it that the buses spew the blackest, stinkiest smoke? We get around one as fast as we can, if we get behind one in the city.
Thank you, fulldroolcup.
Plus, why is it that the buses spew the blackest, stinkiest smoke? We get around one as fast as we can, if we get behind one in the city.
son of a !
sorry for the doublepost.
Actually, ABC broke the story, and thanks to their wonderful fact-
Actually, ABC broke the story, and thanks to their wonderful fact-
Actually, ABC broke the story, and thanks to their wonderful fact-
checking, got it wrong again.
Preview….not submit!
I would like to see this iset updated though, so everything is accurate.
*site updated
corrected!
*site updated
corrected!
Is there something going on with WordPress today causing all the double-posts on here?
Barry F. said (#144):
The Physics and Society newsletter states:
In other words, they are willing to publish the thoughts of a global warming denier, presumably for the purpose of debunking him.
And before you get too excited about the American Physical Society and its conservative positions, you should look at what they say about creationism and intelligent design.
HandsOffMyPaycheckCommie said (#151):
The MSM reporting of science is usually bad. Still, all you bloggers might want to check it out for yourselves before hyperventilating over it.
lgm, why are you posting here about AGW? Didn’t we agree that you wouldn’t attempt to discuss the scientific merits of AGW again?
I fully expect your next post on this topic to fully disclose the scientific mechanism by which CO2 supposedly warms the earth.
Really, that’s not what I got from a straight forward reading of the editor’s page at APS. It looks like they are inviting pro and con contributions. Try not to read too much into things, lgm. Articles don’t tend to get immediately peer-reviewed.
You want to jack this thread to “Creationism and Intelligent Design”.
You’re better off sticking to one liberal rant at a time. Geez.
Huh, I step away for a moment and then this?
Good one Chap, but I believe elitists enjoy the evening zephyr. Trade winds are for working men and women. Duststorms are enjoyed by people named Joad, and I believe they are all Democrats.
And I’ll admit Misssissippi may have worse summers than St. Louis. Though a steamy, mosquito filled swamp has it’s temptations.
Of course the post is about Gore and his minons wasting energy while lecturing us.
Well, you had better quit leaving your post, AG.
A truly sh*tty comparison. the renter doesn’t risk losing his home or having his wages garnished if he doesn’t pay his rent. In my state, it takes at least six months for a renter who stiffs his landlord of the rent to be evicted, and the renter almost never has to pay his back rent.
But miss a quarterly property tax payment? The town tax assessor is on you like white on rice.
And by your “reasoning”, chapoutier, EVERYTHING a non-tax payer buys has federal/state taxes on the profits built into its retail price, so EVERYONE pays income taxes, right?
What does any of this have to do with the fact that a landlord will pass on the costs of real estate taxes to the renter?
Have you ever signed a triple net lease? That is where the renter pays the insurance, utilities and property tax. Guess what? The rent on a triple net is a lot cheaper than on a non-triple net. Why? I’ll bet you can figure it out. The landlord may be the direct payor of the tax, but if you don’t think it is ultimately paid by the tenant, you are delusional.
It is not as neat and tidy a line as with property taxes and a renter, but if you don’t think that the taxes a business has to pay are worked into the price of its goods or services, again, you are delusional.
That wasn’t a racist comment, was it it?
Barry F. said (#159):
Wrong. If an article is going to be peer reviewed, that will happen before it is published, not after.
Do you believe in Darwinism? If not, you should not rely that much on the APS.
Dang. Just when I was getting over the last exchange.
I “rely” on APS about as much as I “rely” on you. Being a Math professor, I trust you can calculate that.
If I have to ’sacrifice’, so do they. Celebrities provide no service that I can’t do without!!
You have no idea what hot and steamy is until you have experienced a south Louisiana summer.
Or seen 9 1/2 Weeks.
Cough-cough…
Getting hard to…breathe…all the…CO2…emitted in DC…making me…dizzy…
What? Those are Al Gore’s cars?
Ah, I’m OK now.
I like how the “convenient” jab went right over the woman’s head at 1:26. I guess people need to be educated that a cab isn’t really the kind of public transportation that cuts down on pollutants. Of course, neither are buses that drive around the city all day and at times only have a couple of people riding them.
At least Mrs. Gore and daughter carpooled together.
Absolutely correct. And if it was peer reviewed and published, the authors must have answered any criticisms to get the final go ahead for publication, no? Editors do not publish erroneous papers. Bad for the rep.
You are the math boy: are their calculations wrong? Are their assumptions incorrect? What exactly is your scientific, not political, assessment of Lord Monckton’s paper?
Relevance?
Oh yes indeed.
Caught the update. The paper is not peer reviewed prior to publication in the newsletter.
I am sure lgm will double check the calculations for us…
Dimsdale said (#171):
Starting where I am now, it would take me at least a year (more likely two) working full time (no teaching, grad students, committees, …) to become enough of an expert to have an independent technical opinion of the science. That’s why I rely on the experts.
And we’re supposed to give serious consideration to the opinions of the APS about the validity of man-made global warming, when they can’t even assume an explicit stance on the issue? Yeah, right!
Chap and Dimsdale I hope you’re proud of yourselves, giving this poor beautiful woman agoraphobia. Kim, if you’re reading this, come over to the house and scream, I promise not to look…
/OT, sorry, not meant to threadjack
I don’t think kim was ever in a bikini in that one, Aloha. Or at least not for very long.
But good luck. Go get her!
It appears that the author (Monckton) of the paper was treated poorly in this exchange. Here is an excerpt from a letter that he wrote to the APS. If his contention is correct (I see no reason to doubt it), the paper was indeed subjected to quality review before publication.
Part of Monckton’s letter to the American Physical Society:
The link I labeled as “Part of Monckton’s letter to the American Physical Society:” is actually a link to the entire letter. The header was intended to address the quoted text, not the link.
Sorry for any confusion.
Exactly my point: most of the sources of AGW theory aren’t even honest enough to admit that they have no clue (Gore) or are trying to get grant money and know what they have to say to get funded.
You have to at least scan the paper an read the relative points, especially the Conclusions.
I presume that if/when Monckton is shown to be correct, you will come around to the “denier” way of thinking? More and more scientists are coming around after examining the facts. Let us hope it is before the AGW mob destroys our economy following “Chicken Little” Gore.
I just don’t know how “believers” dispute facts like simultaneous warming on other planets or significantly more severe global warming that predated man, not to mention SUVs (like the last interglacial period, about 125K years ago, where sea levels were 15 to 18 FEET above present levels).
Heck, just having to use words like “denier” and “believer” shows what a cult AGW is versus real science.
LOL!
I am sure that Basinger suffers more mental misery from nightmares due to her unbelievably poor choice of a (second) husband: the insufferable Alec Baldwin. Poor thing. Remember that when you are comforting her.
How dare you disparage the most talented of all the Baldwins!
No problem! Thank you for the link. The following paragraph is like poetry (to me anyway), delivering several subtle yet unmistakable scientific slaps to the face that, in another time, would surely have resulted in a duel:
This is a man with whom you would not like to be in a war of words. The verbal slaps were delivered like Bruce Lee delivered kicks to the solar plexus.
That speaks for itself! LOL!
Now I am going to look up that movie on Ebay…
Monckton isn’t taking the lies and betrayal lying down.
Wow! A whole year working full time?
lgm, I admire your honesty about how far behind you are in your understanding of the AGW theory.
Thanks for the link. It’s too bad that meat of this issue is lost at the end of a thread that is not only split in topics but begins with a false assumption that misrepresents the position of the American Physical Society.
The APS is the initial victim in this flap. Unfortunately, their response was inappropriate, inaccurate/misleading, and grossly unfair to Lord Monckton.
I hate to beat a dead horse, and I’m probably the only one reading this old stale threat, but I felt the need to review how I perceive the events on this fiasco.
1 - The American Physical Society accepted a paper for publication in its newsletter that draws a conclusion that is different than the official position of the Society. The APS should be commended for this as it shows willingness to address debate on a very important subject.
2- The Daily Tech ran an article that erroneously claimed that the APS had changed its stance, not just allowed a dissenting opinion be presented.
3- In a knee-jerk reaction, the APS quickly sought to minimize the false interpretation of their official stance. Part of that reaction was the inclusion of a rude, disparaging, and misleading disclaimer on the paper itself. The unfortunate victim of this response is Lord Monckton, the author of the paper.
4- Probably in response to an indignant letter by Lord Monckton, the APS revised the note on the article itself to a reasoned indication of the paper’s value and reiterated that the APS official position had not changed.
5- The villain in this mess: The Daily Tech. Not only did they allow an article to be headlined with a falsehood, their response was minimal. They added a discrete disclaimer at the end of the article where they mention the APS denial.
6- As of July 21, The Daily Tech still allows the headline to stand and the first sentence to stand unchanged and unchallenged. If they are hesitant to change text, they should still provide a very prominent correction so anyone reading the article is informed that it is false (as Michelle did). As it stands, I still see links to the article (even from Rush’s page).
Geeze, I hate it when conservatives behave like liberals.
Well summarized and good conclusion, ggchuck.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080905/lf_afp/switzerlandarchaeologyclimatewarming
The left sometimes forgets to pick up after themselves. In their zeal to champion “global worming” (intentional) as caused by evil modern achievers (aka Americans), they inadvertently refute the lie with contrarian evidence in the same article. Never let the facts get in the way of a good cause, right MM?
…They have allowed researchers not only to piece together snapshots of life way back when, but also to shed light on climate fluctuations in the past 6,500 years — and hopefully shed light on what is happening now.
“For us, the site itself is the most important find because we have this correlation between climate change and archaeological objects,” Hafner said.
“We know that people were only able to walk on this site when it was relatively warm,” said Martin Grosjean, executive director of a national network called Swiss Climate Research. “When it was too cold, the glacier advanced and it was not a passable route.