Limousine liberal video of the day: Gore and his gas-guzzling fans exposed!; Update: What global warming consensus?

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 17, 2008 09:03 PM

Update: Top news this morning…”The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming ‘incontrovertible.’”

Update: A clarification from APS about its stand:

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”

An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that “Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.” This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.

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You’re going to love this video from Americans for Prosperity, whose staff caught eco-hypocrisy on full display at Al Gore’s big energy sermon in Washington, D.C. earlier today.

Ed Frank writes: “We’re back from Al Gore’s big global warming speech, and boy did we have a great time! We had a dedicated band of taxpayer advocates out in force, pointing out the high economic cost of global warming alarmism – starting with $8 a gallon gasoline. Of course, we saw plenty of hypocrisy — especially the fact that Gore didn’t ride his bike or take public transporation to the event. He didn’t even take his Prius! Instead, he brought a fleet of two Lincoln Town Cars and a Chevy Suburban SUV! Even worse, the driver of the Town Car that eventually whisked away Gore’s wife and daughter left the engine idling and the AC cranking for 20 minutes before they finally left!”

Enjoy the spectacle and be sure to watch the very end:

Gulfstream libs following in their hugetastic carbon footprint-bearing Goracle:

Do as they say…

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  1. #1
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:14 pm, Mixer14 said:

    To paraphrase Leona Helmsley:

    I don’t pay carbon-taxes. Only little people pay carbon taxes.

  2. #2
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:15 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    I don’t have a PS for this one, YET,

  3. #3
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:17 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    Americans for Prosperity,

    Good job guys, way to be on the hypocrisy ball. :lol:

  4. #4
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:19 pm, maisy said:

    Too funny…do as I say not as I do…..Isn’t there a book titled that about these liberals ‘Lie’ons!!!

    Too funny!

  5. #5
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:20 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Love the woman who was like, “Um, I was running late….”

    Best part was the unemployment rate in Europe v. the unemployment rate in the US. Reinforces my argument that the liberal idea of “equality” is the masses living in equal poverty while a few elite live like kings.

  6. #6
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:22 pm, jsr said:

    Michelle you obviously don’t know how to do Global Warming Greenhouse Gas Math. Al Gore’s convoy usually consists of 4 gas guzzling monsters. Since he only used three, there was a net reduction of one. Thus he will be able to claim his mere three guzzler convoy is actually helping the environment. Plus they each have a efficient flourescent interior light so it is a two-fer.

  7. #7
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:25 pm, JT said:

    Why people listen to someone who barely graduated college baffles me.

    Who made this guy the eco-guru? Is it the almost 100 million he’s made from investments in eco-companies?

    Nah it couldn’t be that?

    What about his huge carbon footprint at his compound, jets, and the gas that comes out his mouth?

    Liberal thy name is hypocrite.

  8. #8
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:28 pm, zorro said:

    Hey Al! It’s a free country, what I drive is none of your business, ya hypocrite.

  9. #9
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:33 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    If Pelosi is crazy, then Gore seems insane to me. He wants us off fossil fuels in 10 years? Insane. Pelosi doesn’t want to drill? Question for Pelosi:

    Currently 25% of our domestic oil supply comes from domestic drilling, 75% from foreign sources. What percentage would you prefer it to be? How will your policies get there?

    Gore was on TV tonight. He’s lost it. Still sounds like he’s talking to everyone like they’re 5 years old, and a dumb 5 years old at that.

  10. #10
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:34 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Haven’t people woken up to this scam yet? Is the nation really that stupid?

  11. #11
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:35 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:25 pm, JT said:

    Why people listen to someone who barely graduated college baffles me.

    Who made this guy the eco-guru? Is it the almost 100 million he’s made from investments in eco-companies?

    Nah it couldn’t be that?

    What about his huge carbon footprint at his compound, jets, and the gas that comes out his mouth?

    Liberal thy name is hypocrite.

    Isn’t that the truth! Gore got C’s and D’s in the few science courses he took in college, and we are supposed to swoon whenever he has a slideshow with lower accuracy than a 5th grade science fair project?

    Add to that his complete and public disregard for practicing what he preaches (like using over 200 times the energy of the average home) and you have the very definition of HYPOCRITE!

    Gore is a clueless buffoon, and his receipt of the (political) Nobel Peace Prize must have Alfred Nobel spinning in his grave.

  12. #12
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:37 pm, Marshall Russ said:

    You can’t make this stuff up. The fact that he won’t debate anyone that knows what they’re talking about tells you everything you need to know about the dope.

  13. #13
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:38 pm, locomotivebreath1901 said:

    “Enviro-nitwits on parade.”

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

  14. #14
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:40 pm, ajmontana said:

    I.T.S.A.H.O.A.X.

  15. #15
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:43 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    Al Gore is the best man to save this country. He’ll save the Americans who will die from huge waves coming in their houses. He will save them from boiling to death…

    Okay, okay. I thought I could rant like lgm but can’t pull if off.

  16. #16
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:45 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    I think environmentalists should walk the walk when practical, but high-profile celebrities cannot safely drive small cars. They must be in a vehicle that keeps them safe from wackoes, aggressive paparazzis and fans, …

    I do agree that many of them don’t do nearly as much as they can – including Al Gore. Ed Begley Jr. is one who walks the walk.

  17. #17
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:51 pm, Papa Louie said:

    I thought it was time for the country to “get off oil.” Hey, you first Al Gore! Stop using oil and practice what you preach, then you can come back and tell the rest of us how to do it, too. The fact that you don’t is because you really don’t believe your own words. You just want everyone else to suffer while you continue to live as you choose. Everybody on the farm is equal, right, but the ruling pigs get first choice because “some are more equal than others.”

  18. #18
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:51 pm, a crapweasel said:

    Manbearpig has special constitutional rights that we ordinary citizens do not get.

  19. #19
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:52 pm, Perk said:

    I am simply amazed that the MSM has not picked up on it yet! I watched NBC, switched to CBS, had NBC on the ‘last channel’ so able to cover both. No coverage! I do not understand. This is a MAJOR disappointment. I will continue to monitor, but I am discouraged with the timeliness of this news.

  20. #20
    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:53 pm, GraniteMan said:

    I’d rather be water boarded than listen to AlGore talk about global warming.

  21. #21
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:00 pm, allrsn said:

    9:53 pm, GraniteMan said

    Excellent idea, lets send Al to gitmo to torture those who want us all dead.

  22. #22
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:09 pm, chapoutier said:

    Speaking of Granite….

    Anyone know what happened to granite? I think he was a dentist or something.

    I miss his “Obamamuslimmanchuriancandidate” rants.

    Though he at least seems to have passed that torch to Gabe before he left.

  23. #23
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:13 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Yo, it’s all good he’s a PARTY MEMBER in good standing… now shut up & get back on the cue, peasants err, people.

    Getting excited will only raise your blood pressure & lower your health care ration, & we wouldn’t want than, now would we…

  24. #24
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:15 pm, MostlyRight said:

    I would so love to see someone snatch up that fat, blowhard, snake oil salesman Al Gore, and then tar and feather him old school, but on live t.v. or an internet livestream, all while making him call out “I am a false prophet and man-made global warming is a hoax!”, like the oil man in “There Will Be Blood” forced the scumbag preacher.

  25. #25
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:17 pm, Tennessee Dave said:

    Al Gore is the living embodyment of the old saying, “how do we know if we will miss him if he won’t go away.”
    At least the people of Arkansas got lucky when the Clinton presidential era came to an end. They moved to New York.
    Al Gore came back to Tennessee. Talk about unfair. His mansion in Belle Meade sucks up more energy than the apartment complex I live in.

  26. #26
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:20 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    They must be in a vehicle that keeps them safe from wackoes, aggressive paparazzis and fans, …

    …and their drivers must be safe from the ravages of un-airconditioned air. Thus 20 minutes with the engine running.

    In all fairness to Al, it must take a lot of juice to keep the donut fryers running 24/7.

  27. #27
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:24 pm, chapoutier said:

    …and their drivers must be safe from the ravages of un-airconditioned air. Thus 20 minutes with the engine running.

    I was about to make a joke about how you had obviously never spent a summer in hot, humid DC.

    And then I recalled the “Aloha” part of your name and thought better of it.

  28. #28
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:27 pm, bayou22 said:

    You know why Al Gore is such a blatant hypocrite? Because for 8 years, he was part of an administration who also chose not to have an energy policy. If he was so concerned, the 8 years he had would have been flush with opportunities for he and Clinton to save the environment and blow out carbon taxes and anything else he now espouses.

    Oh, wait. That’s right. But if he actually did that, he could not have profited so handsomely from it as VP as he can as a mere “concerned citizen”.

    This guy is a joke and embarasses Tennessee more than any stereotypes.

  29. #29
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:27 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I’ve been to DC in July and it was pretty hot and humid. Al needs to get his driver one of those little hats with a solar-powered fan. He might have to stand in the sun to use it though, reducing it’s effectiveness…

  30. #30
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:29 pm, tarpon said:

    Hat tip to the ambushers, you know the drive by media were no where to be found, and this story wopuld have never seen the light of day.

    Got to be the best video of hypocrisy ever. You need an entourage to fell important. after all, you are the Goracle.

  31. #31
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:29 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Come on, just say it… the “S” word.

    Socialism. (“to prepare people for communism”) It’s here, now. Can’t fight it if you can’t define it.

    Come on, just say it.

  32. #32
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    I’ve been to DC in July and it was pretty hot and humid.

    But surely not worse than Hawaii?

    I will say that the grossest summer I ever experienced was the summer in DC between my college graduation and the start of law school. For about a 2 week stretch it was like walking into a sauna.

    Thank God for the Irish Times.

  33. #33
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:31 pm, EWTHeckman said:

    Yea, Al Gore is a huge hypocrite. But I do have a few problems with this report:

    “Spewing air conditioning?” It’s apparent that the interviewer was thinking on his feet, but this just didn’t make sense to me. Air conditioning increases the load on the engine, requiring more energy usage, but “spewing A/C?”

    (BTW… I’ve read that using air conditioning is actually more fuel efficient than driving with the windows down.)

    As for three cars, isn’t that because he still has Secret Service protection? It seems to me that they provide the vehicles and agents, and they specify what vehicles are used and how many. I doubt the protectee has any say in the matter.

    Of course, he could theoretically opt out of their protection to reduce the energy usage. Are past Presidents and Vice Presidents able to opt out of Secret Service protection?

  34. #34
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:32 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    But surely not worse than Hawaii?

    When the trade winds are blowing, it’s not too bad. Maybe the worst I’ve seen is Saint Louis…

  35. #35
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:36 pm, KCK said:

    When Pres. Bush came to office, the non-sense about taking down our big, beautiful hydro-electric dams died out.

    If Gore had been elected, the possibility exists that these magnificent producers of electricity (renewable resource, for you pinheads who use those phrases) would be taken down. And the yield they claimed possible? A 1% recovery in the salmon runs – maybe. Yes, I said one percent.

    Now Gore is shooting his mouth off about renewable electricity resources. Excuse me while I find a bucket…

  36. #36
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:37 pm, wise_man said:

    Hmmm… dog bites man.

  37. #37
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:37 pm, chapoutier said:

    Only liberal elites have trade winds, Aloha.

    Real, conservative, Americans have dust storms.

  38. #38
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:45 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Saint Louis… ??? Try 200 feet below the East River in an 80 foot tin can traveling at 3 miles an hr. (cause the unions are unhappy) crammed in between 2, 300 lb. unwashed mental deficits, speaking in some tongue you have never heard before, wearing Obama buttons, & eating Egg McMuffins by the hand full…

  39. #39
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:48 pm, bayou22 said:

    No, he doesn’t have SS protection any longer. That is only reserved for former Presidents and as we know he was not elected (nor selected, as he’d hoped).

    And you are correct, using the A/C results in about a 1 MPG decrease becasue of the additional pull on the engine. But, driving with the windows down increases drag by reducing aerodynamics, but conincidentally, also only results in a 1 PMG decrease.

    As for the limo driver, idling uses approximately 1 cup of gas every 4-6 minutes. Think of all the caribou he has endangered!

  40. #40
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:48 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:45 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    I think environmentalists should walk the walk when practical, but high-profile celebrities cannot safely drive small cars.

    Yeah…right…Chappaquiddick and all that. Teddy really ruined it for the greens. Billy Joel, George Michael and Nicole Richie too.

    When the trade winds are blowing, it’s not too bad. Maybe the worst I’ve seen is Saint Louis…

    Oh yeah. Now you’re feeling my pain!

  41. #41
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:52 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:45 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    I think environmentalists should walk the walk when practical, but high-profile celebrities cannot safely drive small cars. They must be in a vehicle that keeps them safe from wackoes, aggressive paparazzis and fans, …

    I do agree that many of them don’t do nearly as much as they can – including Al Gore. Ed Begley Jr. is one who walks the walk.

    I don’t give a d@mn what some Enviro-nitwit wants to do or how many trees they want to hug, as long as they keep it to themselves.

    Yet their stupid policies force the rest of us to accept crap no matter what our circumstances are.

    If you or Euro-weenies want to pay 8 bucks a gallon, I’m sure some charity would accept any amount over the current price per gallon without question, yet they want all of us forced to pay it.

    I don’t live near a metro station, bus stop or even near a taxi stand, yet my transportation taxes go to pay for this and other wacko schemes.

    ENOUGH!

  42. #42
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:53 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    brooklyn red said:

    Is it just me or only the police have McCain stickers on their personal cars in Brooklyn.

  43. #43
    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:54 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    I think environmentalists should walk the walk thrown in jail when practical…

    Had to augment that a bit.

  44. #44
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:00 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Goldwater Knight, LOL, I don’t know any one who actually owns a car… but I have heard that if you don’t have an Obama sticker, your car is vandalized on GP.

  45. #45
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:00 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Maybe the worst I’ve seen is Saint Louis…

    Ask my mother-in-law about that. Spent a summer in St. Louis during nursing school…aside from the food, which got sickening after a while, the heat wiped them out. She lost something like 30 pounds in one summer.

    I think environmentalists should walk the walk when practical, but high-profile celebrities cannot safely drive small cars. They must be in a vehicle that keeps them safe from wackoes, aggressive paparazzis and fans, …

    I’m sorry, but this smacks of elitism. Why is Al Gore, Paris Hilton, or any other celebrity’s life worth more than mine? Why should *I* freeze in winter, sweat in summer, and give up my car while *they* live in luxury? This proves my point perfectly, thankyouverymuch.

  46. #46
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:02 pm, chapoutier said:

    I don’t live near a metro station, bus stop or even near a taxi stand, yet my transportation taxes go to pay for this and other wacko schemes.

    Yeah…public transportation is really “wacko.” Totally “out there.” Really unproven.

    I’m not going to get all lgm and say that those in rural Kansas should be taking buses to work. But where it’s a good idea, its a good idea.

    And BTW, those who take public transportation also pay taxes so you can drive on nice paved roads.

  47. #47
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:14 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:31 pm, EWTHeckman said:

    Yea, Al Gore is a huge hypocrite. But I do have a few problems with this report:

    “Spewing air conditioning?” It’s apparent that the interviewer was thinking on his feet, but this just didn’t make sense to me. Air conditioning increases the load on the engine, requiring more energy usage, but “spewing A/C?”

    (BTW… I’ve read that using air conditioning is actually more fuel efficient than driving with the windows down.)

    Only when the vehicle is moving, especially at speeds over 30-40 mph. Otherwise, it is just to try and prevent those ENORMOUS sweat stains in his armpits.

    As for three cars, isn’t that because he still has Secret Service protection? It seems to me that they provide the vehicles and agents, and they specify what vehicles are used and how many. I doubt the protectee has any say in the matter.

    Someone already said that he no longer has SS coverage. So it is just for show.

    Of course, he could theoretically opt out of their protection to reduce the energy usage. Are past Presidents and Vice Presidents able to opt out of Secret Service protection?

    He could theoretically stop using as much energy in his home as a small town uses.

    See: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/GlobalWarming/story?id=2906888

    Armed with Gore’s utility bills for the last two years, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research charged Monday that the gas and electric bills for the former vice president’s 20-room home and pool house devoured nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of 10,656 kilowatt-hours.

    Gore the “environmentalist” is using 20 times the energy of the average family! And that use increased 10% since last year! He has a $30,000 yearly utility bill. And he doesn’t even live in the cold Northeast where we are looking at $4.50+ /gallon heating oil prices.

    Talk about peeing on your leg and telling you it’s raining out!

  48. #48
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:15 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:02 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yeah…public transportation is really “wacko.” Totally “out there.” Really unproven.

    I’m not going to get all lgm and say that those in rural Kansas should be taking buses to work. But where it’s a good idea, its a good idea.

    And BTW, those who take public transportation also pay taxes so you can drive on nice paved roads.

    My point was about the dweeb in the video who thought we should be paying the same as Europe for gas, and the suggestion from most Enviro-wackos that public transportation should be all anyone needs. Another point is the waste of money spent on light rail in cities that will never see the riders to support it’s operation, yet libs keep pushing for it.

    As for them paying taxes so I can drive on nice paved roads, how can that be when many public transportation systems can barely operate on the fees they charge their riders without subsidies?

    I bet I pay much more in vehicle taxes, gas taxes and license and other fees than those who suggest I should take the bus.

  49. #49
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:22 pm, Bucklee said:

    Paging LGM… Paging LGM… You are wanted in the comment section… Paging LGM…

    So LGM, what talking point will you give us to explain away the town cars and Suburban? Frankly, I say Al, ride in comfort, and enjoy seeing us peons ride the Metro.

  50. #50
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:25 pm, chapoutier said:

    Another point is the waste of money spent on light rail in cities that will never see the riders to support it’s operation, yet libs keep pushing for it.

    I’m guessing that those light rail systems are seeing a pretty significant uptick in ridership lately.

    As for them paying taxes so I can drive on nice paved roads, how can that be when many public transportation systems can barely operate on the fees they charge their riders without subsidies?

    Uhhh…what? What are you arguing?

    I bet I pay much more in vehicle taxes, gas taxes and license and other fees than those who suggest I should take the bus.

    As you should. People who take public trans. are being more efficient in their transportation choices than you. If you don’t want to have to go through the hassle of taking the bus or subway or carpool, more power to ya. But don’t be mad when you have to pay more for that convenience.

  51. #51
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:27 pm, 29Victor said:

    Ha ha ha ha ha.

    That was awesome.

    Thank you.

  52. #52
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:28 pm, JohnHolliday said:

    greenLibertarian said,

    Ed Begley Jr. is one who walks the walk.

    Yes, but if you’re wrong, it really doesn’t matter! Humans are NOT causing global warming. The only thing that is heating up is the liberal rhetoric spewing forth from the Goracle.

    englishqueen01 said,

    Best part was the unemployment rate in Europe v. the unemployment rate in the US. Reinforces my argument that the liberal idea of “equality” is the masses living in equal poverty while a few elite live like kings.

    To quote Winston Churchill –

    The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.

    ‘Nuff said.

  53. #53
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:31 pm, CrazyFool said:

    Thats ok – I’m sure Big Al sold himself plenty of carbon credits to make up for it.

  54. #54
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:33 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yes, but if you’re wrong, it really doesn’t matter! Humans are NOT causing global warming. The only thing that is heating up is the liberal rhetoric spewing forth from the Goracle.

    Seriously? You are citing the author of Jurrasic Park as your authority? Really?

    Do you take your religious cues from L. Ron Hubbard?

  55. #55
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:38 pm, Bucklee said:

    Now Chapoutier, you really want to take a robot as your divine savior? At least Mr. Creighton has a little more paper on his wall than Mr. Gore.

    But, then again there are plenty of other authorities well versed in the climate sciences that fall on the opposite side of the argument from former VP Gore, but I am sure that you would like to stifle their voice since it does not agree with you.

  56. #56
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:41 pm, chapoutier said:

    Mr. Creighton has a little more paper on his wall than Mr. Gore.

    But do they have a NOBEL!!!!! Or an OSCAR!!!!

    But, then again there are plenty of other authorities well versed in the climate sciences that fall on the opposite side of the argument from former VP Gore, but I am sure that you would like to stifle their voice since it does not agree with you.

    OK, then he should probably cite them.

  57. #57
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:46 pm, rambler said:

    Gore needs to get out there and save the drowning polar bears instead of giving speeches to people to dumb to know what public transportation is.

  58. #58
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:48 pm, JT said:

    chap,

    reason number 1,000,001 why people hate lawyers and their double-talk. Personally, “kill all the lawyers” works for me. Just think of all the useless a-holes would be gone from government.

    Then we could re-write all the laws in English instead of lawyer gibberish.

    Killing lib lawyers would be a bonus.

  59. #59
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:51 pm, JohnHolliday said:

    chapoutier said,

    If you don’t want to have to go through the hassle of taking the bus or subway or carpool, more power to ya. But don’t be mad when you have to pay more for that convenience.

    The problem with your argument is that the people that drive their cars and pay those burdensome socialist taxes, also pay most of the taxes that subsidize public transit. So, we get hammered TWICE and those that take public transportation pay $32 a month for unlimited rides; I pay for part of that, too.

    If public transportation gave me door-to-door service, as my car does, I’d take it. But it doesn’t. It’s not convenient.

    And when all the privately-owned cars are gone, and the revenue from gasoline taxes is less than the approval rating for the Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid run congress (hard to do, I know), what will that do to public transit prices? Think about that, and this too. If everyone drove a Toyota Pius (because those that do are holier-than-thou) what would that do to gasoline demand? Lower it. So how would the oil companies make their money? Raise prices. If everyone only used 1 gallon of gas a week, we’d be paying $25 a gallon for gas. They’re going to make their money someway. The only answer is DRILL FOR OIL. If the Chinese can do it, right off our own shores, why can’t we?

  60. #60
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:52 pm, chapoutier said:

    double-talk.

    What “double talk”? Please cite.

    “kill all the lawyers”

    Careful. “Assassination chic” is frowned upon here.

  61. #61
    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:53 pm, dfern said:

    Harvey Korman: “Sire, the peasants are revolting!”

    Mel Brooks: “Yeah, they stink on ice!”

  62. #62
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:00 am, JT said:

    chap,

    Don’t care. I’m tired of the govt hacks, the ACLU, and the ambulance chasers. Which one are you?

  63. #63
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:01 am, chapoutier said:

    If public transportation gave me door-to-door service, as my car does, I’d take it. But it doesn’t. It’s not convenient.

    Public transportation never gives anyone door to door service. I used to take it when I lived in DC. I had to walk from my apartment to the station and then from the station to my office.

    It’s simple, really, and quite capitalist. You, as a user of a single car cost more to the infrastructure than one who takes public transportation. Are you saying you shouldn’t pay more? Should we all pay the same, regardless of our use? That is very communist.

    Think about that, and this too. If everyone drove a Toyota Pius (because those that do are holier-than-thou) what would that do to gasoline demand? Lower it. So how would the oil companies make their money? Raise prices. If everyone only used 1 gallon of gas a week, we’d be paying $25 a gallon for gas.

    I thought it was all “supply and demand.” Demand goes down, Supply goes up. Prices go down? What are you? Some sort of commie that doesn’t believe in the free market?

    If the Chinese can do it, right off our own shores, why can’t we?

    And this is the piece de resistance. You do know that that story about China drilling off of Cuba is totally false, right? Even Fox News was calling GOPers out for spreading that veritably untrue crap out, right?

  64. #64
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:02 am, chapoutier said:

    Don’t care. I’m tired of the govt hacks, the ACLU, and the ambulance chasers. Which one are you?

    None of the above. I help rich people keep their money (as do most attorneys, when it comes down to it, btw) so you would probably like me.

  65. #65
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:03 am, chapoutier said:

    But please…

    What “double talk”?

    Or do you just “don’t care” to back up your rantings?

  66. #66
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:05 am, JohnHolliday said:

    Seriously? You are citing the author of Jurrasic Park as your authority? Really?

    No, I’m citing the author of State of Fear as my authority. Read it. It is completely footnoted with many authorities. Michael Crichton has forgotten more about globabl warming than Al Gore will ever know.

    When Mr. Crichton was researching State of Fear, he believed to a degree that humans were causing global warming. After researching and writing the book, he now knows it’s not true. That’s why he speaks out against spending money on something that it’s devotees cannot prove. You should read ALL of Mr. Crichton’s speeches. Open your eyes and grasp reality.

    My other sources are books like “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science.” Read that, too. Liberals have no comprehension of science. They just use it as a club to silence anyone that does real scientific research and disagrees with them.

    The worst part is Al Gore has all the same information at his disposal but refuses to accept it. He can only make money when people are scared. He focuses that fear into $$$ for himself and his liberals pals.

  67. #67
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:07 am, JT said:

    I never met a lib lawyer that did asset protection. Are you the only one?

  68. #68
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:17 am, chapoutier said:

    I never met a lib lawyer that did asset protection. Are you the only one?

    Then you clearly do not know many attorneys.

    I would say 3/4 of my office that does “asset protection” are Democrat.

    But less anecdotally: the bar as a whole skews liberal and most lawyers ultimately help rich people keep money. They may call it asset rpotection, estate planning, contract law, real estate, tax planning, mergers and acquisitions…but it ultimately boils down to keeping wealth with those that hold it.

    I personally, if you care to know, represent small corps. Kind of like an in house counsel.

  69. #69
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:19 am, Micheleeroo said:

    Oh, this video is a beaut…..

  70. #70
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:19 am, JT said:

    Why law school is a qualification for the House, Senate, or POTUS I’ll never understand. It is clear that most don’t know anything about business, capitalism, or economics.

  71. #71
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:23 am, EdDantes said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:33 pm, chapoutier said:

    Seriously? You are citing the author of Jurrasic Park as your authority? Really?

    Do you take your religious cues from L. Ron Hubbard?

    Did you even read the article??? Michael Crichton is a doctor and makes a living by researching and doing analysis for his novels. Yes, they are works of fiction, but his work also uses scientific fact.

    Al Gore is a politician who has made his living telling people what they want to hear (thankfully for him there are people like you who ignore facts so that he can afford his enormous energy bill). I think I’ll go w/ Crichton on this one.

    I’m sure that just because Gore won an Oscar from the notoriously liberal Hollywood elitists that we should take his word as Gospel. By your standard Halle Barry is qualified to set environmental policy.

    Also, Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize…

    Kissinger received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973 for his work on the Vietnam Peace Accords, despite having instituted the secret 1969–1975 campaign of bombing against infiltraiting NVA in Cambodia, the alleged U.S. involvement in Operation Condor—a mid-1970s campaign of kidnapping and murder coordinated among the intelligence and security services of Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay—as well as the death of French nationals under the Chilean junta. He also supported the invasion of Cyprus resulting in approximately 1/3 of the island being occupied by foreign troops for 33 years.

    Nice.

    Thomas Edison and Ghandi, who I would argue have had a much more significant effect on the world than Al Gore, didn’t win the Nobel Prize and Ghandi was nominated 5 times! So, I think it’s possible the Nobel committee gets it wrong every now and then.

    You’re dealing w/ some seriously flawed logic here.

  72. #72
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:25 am, chapoutier said:

    I’m sure that just because Gore won an Oscar from the notoriously liberal Hollywood elitists that we should take his word as Gospel. By your standard Halle Barry is qualified to set environmental policy.

    Clearly you missed my sarcasm when I cited his Oscar and Nobel.

  73. #73
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:29 am, EdDantes said:

    Ahh, my apologies, given how ridiculous everything else you’ve said has been, I assumed that you were serious.

  74. #74
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:29 am, JT said:

    Chap,

    Libs and asset protection, doesn’t that fly in the face of the communist manifesto … er um liberal redistribution of wealth. After all isn’t that what the liberal agenda is all about?

    And every time I’ve seen a lawyer in action they make a simple issue complicated. I wouldn’t need asset protection if it weren’t for the slip and fall of your profession.

  75. #75
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:32 am, Dimsdale said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:02 pm, chapoutier said:

    I don’t live near a metro station, bus stop or even near a taxi stand, yet my transportation taxes go to pay for this and other wacko schemes.

    Yeah…public transportation is really “wacko.” Totally “out there.” Really unproven.

    I’m not going to get all lgm and say that those in rural Kansas should be taking buses to work. But where it’s a good idea, its a good idea.

    And BTW, those who take public transportation also pay taxes so you can drive on nice paved roads.

    You are right: where it works, it works. But I live in a rural part of western Massachusetts where no bus will come in my lifetime. Yet I pay my fair share of taxes for roads etc. as a part of my fuel tax. How do the bus riders contribute to that? And why do I have to pay for the subway system in the eastern part of the state, even though I haven’t used it in more than 20 years?

    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:25 pm, chapoutier said:

    Another point is the waste of money spent on light rail in cities that will never see the riders to support it’s operation, yet libs keep pushing for it.

    I’m guessing that those light rail systems are seeing a pretty significant uptick in ridership lately.

    No doubt there is, but do the riders pay for the actual service, as auto drivers do? Actually, auto drivers pay more (see above) as we pay our fuel taxed into the general fund, where they subsidize public transportation.

    As for them paying taxes so I can drive on nice paved roads, how can that be when many public transportation systems can barely operate on the fees they charge their riders without subsidies?

    Uhhh…what? What are you arguing?

    See my preceding remark. I believe the question relates directly to that: the bus riders do not, and could not, ride their buses without the contributions of the car drivers and the innumerable fees and taxes we pay. It would be like them having to buy collision insurance even though they don’t own a vehicle.

    I bet I pay much more in vehicle taxes, gas taxes and license and other fees than those who suggest I should take the bus.

    As you should. People who take public trans. are being more efficient in their transportation choices than you. If you don’t want to have to go through the hassle of taking the bus or subway or carpool, more power to ya. But don’t be mad when you have to pay more for that convenience.

    Again, you make the assumption that everybody who drives a car has an alternative in the public transportation world. That is not true. Sometimes it is not a “hassle” or inconvenience, but an impossibility. And again, why should car drivers subsidize bus riders etc.? The users of public transportation should pay their own way. They should be satisfied that they are being “more efficient” and helping the planet without requiring subsidies from car drivers.

    To use a word that is horribly misused by the Democrats, it would be more “fair.”

    On July 17th, 2008 at 11:33 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yes, but if you’re wrong, it really doesn’t matter! Humans are NOT causing global warming. The only thing that is heating up is the liberal rhetoric spewing forth from the Goracle.

    Seriously? You are citing the author of Jurrasic Park as your authority? Really?

    Do you take your religious cues from L. Ron Hubbard?

    Hmmm, let’s see: should I believe the rantings of a global warming “messiah” who got C’s and D’s in the few science courses he took in college, or a man who

    attended Harvard College in Cambridge, Massachusetts, as an undergraduate, graduating summa cum laude in 1964.[3] Crichton was also initiated into the Phi Beta Kappa Society. He went on to become the Henry Russell Shaw Traveling Fellow from 1964 to 1965 and Visiting Lecturer in Anthropology at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom in 1965. He graduated from Harvard Medical School, obtaining an M.D. in 1969, and did post-doctoral fellowship study at the Jonas Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, California, from 1969 to 1970. In 1988, he was Visiting Writer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

    (wikipedia, take it or leave it).

    I read “State of Fear” and despite being dramatized, the inherent science is correct and cited, and the fictionalization of the econuts is not to far off the mark (after seeing what ELF etc. do, I don’t find it particularly unbelievable). A cursory review of geologic climatic history quickly demonstrates the fallacy of AGW, although we are wrecking the planet in other ways (see China).

    I don’t believe that he has started any crackpot religions, so we will ascribe the L. Ron Hubbard remarks to the Scientology dustbin.

    To summarize: Al Gore, as a scientist, is a buffoon, but a clever buffoon, who is making money hand over fist selling himself carbon credits and charging outrageous speaking fees, while refusing to debate anyone on the topic of “global warming.”

  76. #76
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:34 am, Bucklee said:

    But do they have a NOBEL!!!!! Or an OSCAR!!!!

    Wow, I must be wrong if all of Hollywood and Stockholm is against me.

    And you are right, I should never contend that there are no learned skeptics of man made global warming.

  77. #77
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:39 am, torabora said:

    Algore is getting fat too. Looks like a pillsbury doughboy. Vealmmmm. Goosemmmm.Lobstermmmmmm.Moneymmmmmm.

  78. #78
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:42 am, chapoutier said:

    After all isn’t that what the liberal agenda is all about?

    No. Though if this site is your primary source of information, I could see why you would think that.

    And every time I’ve seen a lawyer in action they make a simple issue complicated. I wouldn’t need asset protection if it weren’t for the slip and fall of your profession.

    Ahhh…I love that common misperception. Lawyers create complexity for complexity’s sake. No. We may profit from the complexity, but we are NOT the source.

    Let me take my favorite example. Do you know why, by and large, the tax code is so huge and complicated?

    It is because people try to game the system in any way they can. So the IRS has to respond with more detailed and complicated rules to try to rein in those that prey on loopholes and violate the spirit and intent of the law. So then, the new regs in place, people or businesses have to come up with new strategies and the IRS then has to counter with even more complicated and specific laws to close off those. It is a cat and mouse with one side (the rich people that want to keep more money) trying to stay one step ahead of those that would take it.

    We are paid to know what the rules of the game are, but for the most part, it is not us that makes the rules.

    But this is seriously OT. If you hate lawyers so much, then good luck representing yourself when the time and need arises.

  79. #79
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:44 am, JT said:

    Al Gore is a REMF, and will always be a REMF. He contributes nothing, is nothing, and would be nothing w/o his racist daddy’s coat tails.

    Why we have to put up with his crap is beyond me.

    A loser who decided after a couple of months at a desk job in Vietnam that he needed to go to divinity school. Then dropped out of that, is a phony and a clown.

  80. #80
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:54 am, chapoutier said:

    Dimsdale,

    I do think it is a fair and obvious point that public transportation is not viable for a large swath of our population. But couple points:

    1) At least on the state level, transportation infrastructure is not completely funded by gas taxes, some of those funds come from the general treasury. So it is not accurate to claim that you are subsidizing the strap hangers and they are not subsidizing the drivers.
    2) Taking public transportation offers public goods that benefit those that do not even use it. Primarily less congestion and less pollution, not to mention the indirect effect of lowering demand for oil, making the price you as a driver have to pay for it lower.

  81. #81
    On July 18th, 2008 at 12:54 am, JT said:

    chap,

    I have the right reps in place, because I have to.

    Regarding the IRS… it isn’t so much gaming as the legislators providing loopholes for their benefactors.

    I deduct everything that isn’t nailed down. All properly documented.

    Instead of donating to an inefficient govt, I put that money into charities that put most of the money into action.

    I’d be more than happy with a flat consumption tax. No corporate taxes which would encourage growth, and we grab the underground economy which doesn’t pay their fair share of taxes anyway.

  82. #82
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:04 am, chapoutier said:

    Regarding the IRS… it isn’t so much gaming as the legislators providing loopholes for their benefactors.

    As someone who has had to read wayyyy too many IRS statutes, regulations, treasury decisions, revenue rulings, private letter rulings, TAMs, GCMs, determination letters, etc… I can say with confidence that this is just not true.

    People with money want to keep it rather than give it to the government. I am not condemning this impulse, just stating as fact. So they arrange transactions that may or may not meet the letter of the law, but clearly are trying to circumvent the intent. The IRS eventually gets wise and the law, whether by change in statute or regulation or whatever, changes, adjusts, and becomes more complex.

    I am not saying that there are not inefficiencies or unnecessary complications in our tax code. But for the most part they are the product of real life circumstances rather than politicians or lawyers.

  83. #83
    On July 18th, 2008 at 1:21 am, JT said:

    chap,

    The IRS is too big and for the most part not necessary. Simplify and statistics (I’m not looking them up at 1 am) show that the govt will collect as much or more.

    Accountancy should be more worthless than than being a lawyer. I have a finance and and accounting degree and was a CPA.

  84. #84
    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:23 am, mojack420 said:
  85. #85
    On July 18th, 2008 at 2:27 am, PBoilermaker said:

    84 posts and the resident Liberals still haven’t addressed the main topic of this thread.

    Obfuscation and jokes, but they just can’t bring themselves to acknowledge the rank hypocrisy.

  86. #86
    On July 18th, 2008 at 5:48 am, docflash said:

    HE’S PLAYING ON OUR FEARS!!!

  87. #87
    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:01 am, Rob said:

    I just saw that oil guy, T.Boone Picket on TV. I don’t know if I agree with all his plans. But he said he is voting for McCain and that we should be drilling EVERYWHERE we can now… including ANWR…

    I would like to kick my size 13 carbon footprint right on Al Bore’s big flabby butt…

  88. #88
    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:03 am, Barry F. said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:27 pm, bayou22 said:

    Okay. Gore is an embarassment to us in Tennessee. But, go easy on the “stereotypes”, bayou. ;-)

  89. #89
    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:07 am, Barry F. said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 10:32 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    My wife would probably argue that there is nothing like a sweltering Mississippi summer with the humidity so thick you could cut it with a knife, AG.

  90. #90
    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:21 am, cicerokid said:

    What will we call the kool aid when we cannot use energy to cool it?

  91. #91
    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:22 am, GaMidnightRider said:

    Do not do as i do do as i say liberals. In their mind they are entitled to be special. They say that they are for something but they refuse to make changes to their own lives but expect us to change to suit them. Typical liberal elites. Buy one at a voting booth near you…LOL

  92. #92
    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:33 am, Barry F. said:

    I must say, I have been intrigued by T. Boone Pickens’ commercials, as of late. Some of the figures he cites are sobering in regard to the increase in foreign oil imports and the costs.

    I just watched his video, where he details more of his plan on his site.

    I read above where someone mentioned that he is voting for McCain. I must have missed that part on the site. But, it doesn’t really matter. But, if we did go with wind energy, which he outlines mostly for Midwest construction of the mills, would Teddy Kennedy finally concede that it is okay for one to go up in his neck of the woods too, if the heartland accepts the majority of them in their back yards?

  93. #93
    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:36 am, Barry F. said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:21 am, cicerokid said:

    What will we call the kool aid when we cannot use energy to cool it?

    Kool-Aid® Juicy Juice®? ;-)

  94. #94
    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:53 am, derel3433 said:

    Wow. This just proves it’s stupid to conserve energy.

  95. #95
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:02 am, sonofdy said:

    There is a man-bear-pig, I am cerial!!!

    apologies to south park and the english language for my spelling today.

  96. #96
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:03 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On July 17th, 2008 at 9:45 pm, greenLibertarian said:
    I think environmentalists should walk the walk when practical, but high-profile celebrities cannot safely drive small cars.

    …and a family fo five has to somehow, some way make it work? Who gets to decide what is or isn’t practical, you?

  97. #97
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:03 am, Rob said:

    Barry F said: I read above where someone mentioned that he is voting for McCain. I must have missed that part on the site.

    I saw him interviewed on Fox this morning. They asked him who he was supporting and he said that he was a republican and was supporting McCain.

  98. #98
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:06 am, Concerned Citizen said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 8:07 am, Barry F. said:
    My wife would probably argue that there is nothing like a sweltering Mississippi summer with the humidity so thick you could cut it with a knife, AG.

    I think South Florida’s got you all beat. At least everyplace else cools off overnight. Not South Florida.

  99. #99
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:14 am, mileslibertatis said:
  100. #100
    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:17 am, Barry F. said:

    On July 18th, 2008 at 9:06 am, Concerned Citizen said:

    Maybe, CC. I lived in North Florida in the central part for a few years and it was pretty miserable around all those swamps, especially given the mosquitos the thrived in that area.

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