A cast of hundreds: Who isn’t an Obama foreign policy adviser?!
So Barack Obama has 300 foreign policy advisers.
300.
That’s quite a carbon footprint. But he needs that many–not just to compensate for his complete lack of foreign policy chops, but because he throws so many of his advisers and acolytes off the bus each week. Gotta have padding.
Jennifer Rubin points out that the man who subscribes to the Winnie the Pooh School of Foreign Policy is on the list and adds:
Most troubling is the possibility that the performance of the campaign’s foreign policy apparatus is a preview of the Obama administration’s foreign policy apparatus. There are apparently hundreds (if not thousands) of folks waiting to join the State and Defense Departments who hold beliefs that defy evidence and logic. They honestly believe that Iraq is unimportant, unconditional direct talks with Iran will unlock the promise of world peace, we can talk up protectionism at home without scaring our trading partners, and the less input from military commanders in war zones the better.
Take your pick as to which theory makes the most sense. But 300? I guess it takes a lot of people to script a foreign trip so tightly that there is no room for a gaffe.
To quote from one of the Obama camp’s favorite foreign policy texts, “Pooh’s Little Instruction Book:” “Those who are clever, who have a brain, never understand anything.”
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Let’s remember that when the Islamists took over in Iran they just replaced one totalitarian regime with another. The Iranians are Persians and not Arabs, the are generally well educated, and there is a substantial desire among the general population, especially young people, for Westernisation and democracy. When we won the cold war against the Soviets we did it by opposing the government but COURTING the average citizens and especially young people. Who can forget the smuggling and black market for Levis and Michael Jackson and Madonna music. I think the Bush administration, with its mix of militarists and Bush I “stability” types, has not done nearly enough in this regard. Of course, we should not negotiate or have meetings with Amadinajad and the Islamists, but we should engage with the Iranian people and convince them that there is a better way, which Reagan did so well and which would lead to much success in the region.
The top General in Iraq is neutral.
Well sambo, if by “fall short” you mean “Chap provided hard numbers and actual data from an actual source to back up his assertion that the lifting of the travel ban was revenue positive and not paid for by Americans while I, sambo provided …well, nothing to refute him”
then yes, I guess I did fall short.
atheling,
That’s simply priceless.
Yeah. It’s that simple Obie. Ending the war in Iraq is just a phone away. Geez….
Correction: Is just a phone call away.
30:
Notice how liberals are absolutely clueless about the military and how it works?
They simply do not live in the real world.
The fact that Obama, a United States Senator, does not even understand the basic chain of command in our military, frightens the dickens out of me.
atheling,
Understandably so. Perhaps, he’s thinking I’ll disband it anyway… so what’s to know.
I can’t wait to hear there reply.
DessertLover #81:
Thank you for the great informational rundown. Unfortunately, you will need lots of citations and references for both lgm and Chaps because they will cry distortion! and lies!
Those darn facts are tricky things. Then again, there was the insightful moment when Maddie Albright went “toe to toe” with North Korea by having tea with its dictator and watching a fawning performance for Mr. Slim Jim.
If that’s the kind of diplomacy that works, I guess a never ending World Poverty pump will do wonders for Obummer. Too bad that pump will be primed to suck yours and my hard-earned money into the black hole of “liberal compassion.”
Obama is not Carter 2.0 he is Henry Wallace 2.0.
David Petraeus…
Evidence or just off the record? Generals aren’t independent from the White House? Since you like moral equivalency so much I guess that lack of independence would explain how former Gen. Wesley Clark got to the position of NATO Commander then.
Oh, and there were plenty of generals (and field grade officers- that means those who are Majors, Lt. Colonels, or Colonels to Mr. Know-it-all), who have disagreed with Pres. Bush. Colin Powell disagreed, a former general. You’re being extremely disengenuous.
Mr. Armchair General, the military serves whoever is president, including generals. Despite the many accusations of politicization of the military, service before self (including politics) counts a great deal. Yes, some military folks are political, then again most are doing their job… just like you’re teaching bad math to another duped freebie class.
If you really want to know what the conditions are on the ground, why don’t you find out for youself, Math Man, instead of spouting your Code Pink talking points?
yep..that’s true
Really? You changed your tune quick, didn’t you? Didn’t you just say the following:
I believe, Mathman, you just contradicted youself. Which one is it? Do you know it? Is it situation dependent? The general you spoke of is the operational commander but what about the other leadership? There’s more than one person involved.
You really need to keep it straight here, Mathman. Neutrality or politicization. You can’t have both.
Oh, I’m sorry, you, like the rest of the American people think you can leave in the middle of a war (cough cough Vietnam) without an establishment of a secure, strong government. Thanks for the study in hypocrisy once again, Mathman.
You mean independence from the Commander and Chief?
Is this like the “solid evidence” that you have about why people should vote/support Obummer? As far as I’ve seen it, you’ve yet to answer any questions about his qualifications, experience, or policies.
So, did Sambo say something you didn’t like, Chaps? That you didn’t want to hear? Perhaps, he has concluded, along with the rest of us, that your mind is a steel trap and facts/figures/evidence (cough cough distortions) only contradict your personal belief or ideology.
The day, Chaps, you provide some “hard” answers to our questions about Obummer, then, perhaps you won’t be greeted with such skepticism. Anybody can manipulate numbers, data, public opinion as typical politicians and bad math teachers seem to do every day.
As lgm resides in his chrysalis of liberal stupidity he doesn’t even know Barrack himself is against a truncated military withdrawal. Ugh, so ignorant lgm, you don’t even know the views of your own candidate.
But McCain said we already won!
Doesn’t that mean we can leave now?
Chap:
Ever hear of WWII? We won that and we are still in Germany and Japan.
Hey, Goldwater Knight, could you pass on this statement to Chaps? Chaps doesn’t seem to think that Obummer has ever (evah!) flip-flopped on anything. Oh, I’m sorry, changed his mind… I’m still trying to get the lingo down, ya know?
Yes, right after we get all the liberals together and send them out to replace the troops coming home. They can provide security assistance to the Iraqi army and police and under the direct command of Iraqi generals and officers. The ones that live through their first deployment never have to pay taxes ever again. Deal?
emjem,
Stay out of this until you learn the definition of strawman, which I see in your last response on the kumbaya thread, despite it being spoon-fed to you, you continue to use incorrectly.
If you read the vast majority of my posts, I do not try to convince anyone of Obama’s preparedness or qualifications. What I do is call out either blatant lies or distortions about him. Subtle distinction that maybe you can’t grasp. You can call that being in the bag for Obama or whatever I call it keeping you people at least intellectually honest.
I understand that maybe 5 or 6 people on this board will vote for Obama in the fall and I am not going to change a single mind on that.
But I do know that I will celebrate Election Day eating $100 ham over a bed of lightly dressed arugala drinking an elitist martini mixed with your salty, bitter tears.
McCain needs to clarify his remarks. Technically, we’ve won the war. Now, we’re training both Iraq’s police and military which will involve us having some kind of presence in the country.
We leave when all 18 provinces within Iraq are fully self-governing and the national government is able to provide both defense and security to all of them. Do you think that it’s practical to go when the US military has only handed over 10 of the 18? Do we leave when we haven’t finished training all their police or their military? Who trains them?
Then again, we’re in Germany and Japan, and WWII is over. Reconstruction took an excruciating long time and unfortunately, the American people in their short-sightedness, has forgotten that. Have you?
I have never said that, and in fact I expressed disappointment on this board with Obama on the campaign financing. But just continue to throw crap out there.
Aren’t those your words, lg….wait I am sorry I meant emjem.
I’m cutting and pasting that post and its link for after the election, so that you will be eating humble pie instead, Mr. Arrogant Lawyer.
Forget it Chap’s a lawyer. It’s a lawyer thing you wouldn’t understand.
Chaps,
Let us all know when you’ve detached your lips from Obummer’s butt. Perhaps, we’ll all chip in and get you the same knee pads that the big 3 seem in desperate need of on the Obamamedia tour.
Well, I will definitely need them to sip my celebratory martini on election night.
And at least my lips aren’t planted on the butt of a guy whose been dead for over 4 years, as the majority of this board’s are.
chapoutier said:
That link defines what a strawman is if you’re interested.
I know exactly what it means Goldwater. emjem keeps insisting that one can strawman ones own argument.
You better not let HUSSEIAN OBAMA hear you say that! Infidel!!! Unclean, unclean! Muslims don’t eat pork!
You have? You’ve expressed disappointment? Well, color me surprised. Do I detect a diminished glow? Oh, it was distortion then it was “crap.” Yikees- I didn’t know the recent Washington Post Editorial, along with the recent Philadelphia Enquirer call on Obummer’s “reversal” fit your description.
Oh, Chaps, I’ll be sure to weep my “salty, bitter” tears if McCain should win becuse he’s as clueless as is Mr. HopenGlow.
Actually, that was a different post, not this one. Nice try though, dude. I’ll give you props for lack of originality.
No kidding. But I am not the one one day insisting that analogies or comparisons to other regions or eras are inappropriate with respect to the Middle East and then on day two trying to make an analogy and comparison of the Middle East to a different region and era.
Flip-flopping on the issue, are you?
Wow, color me shocked that you’re agist as well. Really, the ignorance and spite of the left knows no bounds.
Well, listen, Chaps, your Messiah keeps on shooting himself in the foot with your lips strongly attached. It’s a wonder he can maintain his balance.
Your analogy needs some work- at least McCain isn’t trying to steal the words of a dead president or resurrect him (cough cough Kennedy). Now that’s originality we can believe in!
If anyone is dumb enough to buy Obama’s straw man rhetoric about a complete Iraqi withdrawal they’re smoking banana peels laced with nutmeg. There’s always going to be a force there between 30,000 and 40,000 troops for decades.
Huh? Who do you think I was referring to there?
And when will you address your blatant flip flop on the issue of comparing the Middle East to other regions?
Actually, since the Middle East is part of Africa, and I did use Africa in my “social work as gospel, I am Chaps I’ll be your savior” comparison, I do believe I didn’t divert.
Now, Turkey, who’s to say which geographical region it belongs too. It’s a tossup between Asia and Europe.
You tell us… you seem to be struggling with whatever point you were trying to make.
Like the whole, I’ve expressed my disappointment but I’m a firm, die hard Obummer supporter remark? Dude, look in the mirror.
BTW, the Middle East is part of Africa so I didn’t depart from my personal rule.
Mr. flippy floppy,
Last time I checked, Germany and Japan were not in Africa, so any comparison to those situations, by the standard of your post yesterday (if you stand by those statements) is inapropos.
Constantinople is in Europe.
atheling said (#119):
But not fighting the Germans of the Japanese.
Bush must be using some of Obama’s advisors:
Diplomatic talks with Iran. Check.
Withdrawal timetable from Iraq. Check.
Thanks for stateing the obvious.
and for your info moron it will take up to 36 months to remove all of our equipment and soldiers safely.
lgm said:
The hamster wheel goes round n’ round.
Just curious. How big is the choir at Trinity Church? If it’s about 300 bobbleheads, I think I know who’s advising him.
“Bush agrees to time ‘horizon’ on Iraq troop cuts” http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080718/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
Isn’t that like Obama’s time horizon?
I have really enjoyed the comments on this thread today. It was frustrating not to be able to join in the banter about the Obamessiah’s 300 foreign policy advisors. With as many people as he has thrown under the bus I wonder if they will end up like the ancient Persian immortals (this gang sure ain’t Spartans) taking from other unit’s ranks to keep their numbers constant. When a decisive decision is required I seriously doubt this cabala will be able to recommend any competent course of action other than Monty Python’s Holy Grail strategy of “Runaway, Runaway, Keep Running!”
Merely precursors - the obligatory exhausting of the diplomatic channels - before we lower the boom on Iran, like we should have under that military master-mind, Jimmy Carter.
SOMEBODY has to do it.
From the inimitable Charles Krauthammer:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/07/18/who_does_he_think_he_is?page=full&comments=true
Hypocrisy, thy name is Barack Hussein Obama.
Yup, Charles K nailed it.
POOH
P - pick
O - Osama
O - Obama
H - Hussein
I’m shocked. As the insufferable emjem was getting her hind parts kicked up and down this thread by chap, she didn’t once announce her ultimate moral authority as evidenced by her husband being deployed to Iraq (like the rest of us don’t have friends and relatives in the line of fire). Nor did she cry about being an out of work teacher, the poor and beleaguered victim of a bankrupt and corrupt public education system. Get over yourself. Try a little logic and reason every once and a while, rather than cluttering up this site with your overwrought emotionalism and bitterness. You sound like some sort of far left moonbat.
Good evening dental plan dakine. Out chasing ambulances lately or catching up on gay Hawaiian magazines?
Goldwater,
Too funny.
chapoutier said:
Right like dental plan dakine, the tough guy on the board. A true keyboard warrior but really just a straw man a hollow man.
Yeh dak there’s some iron workers down at WTC that I want you to meet.
Goldwater, if you are going to insult me, at least make it make sense.
Dakine, if you want to see something really funny, go to the Kumbaya thread and watch me force Goldwater into agreeing with an Obama foreign policy position.
It’s almost as funny as me wiping the deck with you on the Denmark discussion.
I wouldn’t waste my time insulting you chap. You don’t even know when you’re not being insulted.
So you don’t consider Denmark a socialist country Goldwater? And also are you going to take me up on my congress bet?
So now we’re back to leading questions?
Is that sort of a thought process without volition? Kinda why I accepted your leading question the first time.
Do you like satire chap?
Here’s how it broke down. Right_on said people that live under socialism suffer or don’t prosper or whatever. It was hard to tie him down to one argument. I said “Well I think the people of Denmark would disagree seeing as they are the happiest country according to a recent study.” You said “Wait…they have elected a conservative PM.”
We will ignore the fact that 1) this guy was conservative in a relative sense as compared to our average Scandanavian politician and 2)this PM basically moved toward the left after getting in office for right now.
Now electing a conservative PM is not irrelevant. But to refute my argument you would have to show that this guy made Denmark, by your standards, a non-socialist country. (and again, for the sake of argument, we will ignore all the other countries in Scandanavia and Canada that also topped the lists that also supported my point).
So….again I ask “Is Denmark a Socialist country?”
Unless you answer “no” to that you can stuff your “wiping the deck” comment.
Take your leading question and stuff it esquire. Self serving asshole.
Goldwater admits defeat.
And shows just how classy he is in doing so.
Not quite asshole. Leading questions aren’t allowed in courtrooms and I won’t allow them here either.
if you think having class is being a prick to everyone on the board you better look the word up in a dictionary bro.
when I call you asshole I mean it in a classy way.
you don’t want to answer the question because either way, you lose the argument. I would think you would be used to that.
And btw leading questions are perfectly acceptable in cross examination. But please continue to amaze us all with your uncanny ability to be so very wrong so very often.
Well by all means continue being an egotisical prick it’s quite the show piece here at MM.
That’s hilarious. Man, where would the board be without you chap. You are the lighthouse guiding us all to shore.
Goldwater Knight said:
Honestly: Denark is a socialist country. Does that ego feel saturated now? Man, you’re OK in my book chap. Don’t take sh*t from nobody.
chapoutier said:
And you tell me this after what, basing your argument on some hack survey I can find on page 12 of the National Enquirer.
A happiness scale? Who took that survey? The Care Bears? It’s kinda hard to win an argument when it’s really just a shell game isn’t it chap. Prick. Have a good night.
300 Foreign Policy Advisors???? And he STILL can’t get it right?
300…boy, if THAT isn’t ripe for parody based on the movie of the same name…I just don’t know what is.
“THIS…IS…OBAMA!!!!!!”
Well there it is. If lgm has not heard of it or is mot made aware of it, well then it just plain does not exist.
I am convinced that this joker does not believe any of the fecal matter he produces, and is one of theose people that like to go on comment boards to post the most inane, outrageous things that come to mind simply to get a rise and make people write about him.
Why do I think that?
Because I refuse to believe that anyone in this country could possibly be as uninformed, conspiricy laden, and all around foolish as this guy.
Seriously…if we are to believe that what he says is truly what he believes, then there is someone on here named lgm that has to be, without a doubt, the biggest moron walking the face of the earth…and frankly, I belive to much in this country to belive that anyone that ridiculous could still remember to breathe. But I covered that on a previous post.
So hats off to you lgm. Keep up the satire. SNL’s writing staff has suffered for years. Keep it up, because that must be what you are trying for. A staff writier for some sort of comedy show.
In relation to Chapoutier’s question earlier in the thread, I too am wondering if anyone has read anything from Granite or Texas Tiger lately? I hope everything’s alright with them, and they come back soon; I miss their posts.
300 advisors - just like the 300 Spartans. How heroic. And there will always be someone to throw under the bus when BO screws up - “I had to fire Piglet - he let us all down when he reported that mass murdering Muslim fanatics can be trusted when they swear on the Koran. My sympathy to the 500 US soldiers killed as a result of this bad information. But this does NOT mean all Muslim fanatics are not to be trusted. Islam is a religion of peace, as the 500 US soldiers who are now at peace, prove.”
Actually, the University of Michigan, but close with the Care Bears. And they have been compiling records on it for 20 some years. And not just happiness, but all of the more objective studies on quality of life I have seen from any source always have the Scandanavian countries ranked highly if not tops.
I am suffering in a Nation run primarily by lawyers. And run very badly I might add.
About 60% of our senators and roughly 36% of the house have law degrees. Lawyers make up about 1% of our population. I’d say we are not being adequately represented.
The biggest reason for term limits folks.
On July 18th, 2008 at 5:58 pm, TheOtherSide said:
Bush must be using some of Obama’s advisors:
Diplomatic talks with Iran. Check.
Withdrawal timetable from Iraq. Check.
Oh and now Maliki agrees with Obama
Looks like he is getting it right!
So what. Even a stopped clock is right twice in a day.
Since they have America to keep them safe (saving them billions) they should be quite happy indeed.
I know, myself, not having any “foreign policy” experience and running for POTUS, I would need advisors. But, I certainly wouldn’t need anywhere close to his bunch. I would, though, sincerely doubt I would need more than 8. 5 conservatives with FP experience, plus Pelosi, Reid and Murtha. The last 3 to show me what not to do. They would be my top advisors.
Malaki is wrong. If U. S. troops are pulled out of Iraq too soon, we will be forced to go back within days and fight a third more deadly, more destructive, more expensive war.
Malaki only has the luxury of playing up to B. Hussein Obama because John McCain’s plan for a military Surge in Iraq was finally put in place - and it worked!
If B. Hussein Obama’s plan of NO SURGE had been put in place, Malaki would not have the luxury of condoning anyone’s plan for an early withdrawal of American troops.
Malaki is wrong and Obama is incredibly naive.
3 kinds of people.
Whitehouse publicizes that
Osama’sObama’s plan is approved by Iraqi Prime Minister.And pocket protector makes his predictably lame appearance with his junior high school insults and his Yugo level intellect. Chap then takes his measure, finds him lacking and proceeds to kick his former body builder ass up and down this thread. You’re now “White Goodman” to me seige.
dental plan dakine said:
You’re a miserable prick dak why don’t you get that amazing wife of yours to show you some attention before I show her some attention. Maybe you’d like to confer with your partners so you can dredge up some more hollow man insults, I don’t want to get your hamster wheel spinning to fast freak. You’re just a mean spirited scumbag and you’re less than human. I wouldn’t even piss on you if you were in fire kid.
Its funny dakine. Seige and I were actually having a reasonable conversation about Obama and his promise to go into Pakistan without permission if necessary (Kumbaya thread). He was being civil and coherent. I kept thinking “This is not he undrseige I knew.”
And then we go on here and rather than admit being wrong on what was 1) not really his battle and 2) what was not really all that interesting a discussion, he gets all defensive and starts spewing profanity.
Which makes me wonder…why DID he change his name, do you think?
Was he finally shamed from his lack of spelling ability or do you think he got banned or chastized from a mod and was forced to reregister under a different name?
Inquiring minds want to know.
But I LOOOVE how the rudest, most profane person on this site thinks it necessary to tell ME I am being a “<> to everyone on the board.”
No, seige/goldwater. I actually get along with most everyone here. Just not the kind that spew your filth. There was a time, I think, when I was a lot more confrontational and sometimes mean and unnecessarily rude, I will admit. But I adjusted my attitue, realized this is just a freakin’ comments section and lightened up. Didn’t change my ideas, just my tone. Made me a lot more popular here.
Might wanna try the same, buddy.
Hmmmm. Specious.
Wow, all I can say is life to short to be so serious.
And angry.
Nothing like a bunch of Clinton has-beens advising the Messiah-of-Change about foreign policy. It’s not as if they got it right when they advised Clinton. So BO will be the Clinton 3rd term without the blue dress. Whoopeeeee!
I mentioned no names, the 3 kinds of people video was not meant as a criticism it was meant to add some humor to a vicious conversation, and maybe calm down those who were involved, don’t assume I was’nt including all parties.
With all due respect, Blind, Mule, the “viciousness” really seemed to be concentrated on one side.
And was that video from Team America?
One of those movies I have never seen that everyone references and I kinda have to nod like I know it.
Used to be the case with Office Space, but fortunately remedied that.