Maverick discovers that MSM libs are not his “friends”
You know, there’s only one word that describes the proper reaction to the McCain camp feeling aggrieved about the NYTimes’ rejection of The Maverick’s op-ed piece:
Now, now, now–after years of chumming it up with the lib journalists and basking in the “maverick” designation–does Sen. McCain finally realize that these people are not his “friends?”
And as if you needed to be reminded of the obvious again: Rasmussen discovers that “Belief [Is] Growing That Reporters are Trying to Help Obama Win.”
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EitherBarack Obama or John McCain is going to bet the next president.
You can participate if you want.
If Obama is the winner, and you didn’t do anything to keep him out, then you are partly responsible because of your inaction.
I am planning on participating in the US elections this november. In 2004, my state went to John Kerry, and he received all of the electoral votes. Still, I’m going to try.
If you are living in a state that has a chance, then you need to understand just exactly who you are allowing to be the next president, if you stand back and do nothing while all of Obama’s supporters will be voting for him.
Remember this:
Ditto #96… lets start a write-in campaign for someone who is truly dedicated to protecting America… any suggestions?
“wise_man” #97
I will NOT settle for the lesser of 2 evils. John McCain’s support for shamnesty makes him a threat to our country. Illegal immigration is taking jobs, resources and contributing to the crime in our cities.
Until he changes his stand on this critical position, there is no difference between a America run by Obama or McCain.
John Ansell I’m surprised you feel that way. We had GWB and McCain and amnesty not long ago and we shot them down. Now GWB is gone and McCain is alone hes lost his number one wingman unless we think Hernandez is something on par with GWB. I think McCain is confused on things such as the environment, you know sometimes its hot other times its cold that sort of thing but we have a choice of eating a bug or eating dogcrap and I say bring on the bugs. Instead of giving it to BHO lets put McCain in there and we can beat up on him for the next four years. What say you?
The elites in THE PARTY have given us THEIR choices for candidates…
We know where that’s gotten us….
Now it’s time for us to support w/$$$ men and women of honor so they will be ready when the call comes 2- 4-6- etc. years from now…
Alan West
William “Bill” Russell
Tom Manion
Tom McClintock
L_O_T_E is the slippery slide to socialism
So a Supreme Court full of Obama picks isn’t any better than McCain’s?
I live the illegal problem every day. My city has been changed into Little Guatemala. It is the biggest issue for me as well and I’m still going to vote for McCain for all of the other issues. At least McCain doesn’t expect me to learn Spanish.
TGUSA, I understand your position all the way, but I vowed to never again vote for a Rino. The last one that I voted for was Gov. Arnold and man look at how bad that turned out.
I stay true to My conservative Republican values and will not/cannot support McCain and his push to grant amnesty to people who raise the Mexican Flag over the USA Flag flying in distress.
I can’t do it.
On another front, I’m biased. My wife had to work hard to become a US Citizen Legally (prior to us getting married) and it would be a slap in her face for following the rules and paying the attny fees just to have McCain wave all that for the invaders.
But make no mistake, I will not call you names for voting for McCain. It’s your right just as I have the right to write in Newt Gingrich.
Supersean, you know who I’m writing in.
Mistressjustice said:
Mistress, you are right on the money. The fact that Obama can’t get a moderate or conservative dem to run with him, is indicative of his weakness…if McCain would cut the crap and go after him…and do some serious fence mending with the various conservative groups he has disparaged ’till now he’d be CREAMING OBAMA.
The comment by our hostess “snort” is deservedly contentious considering how McCain has thrown his own party under the bus on a variety of issues, and to this minute leaves doubt for people who would be normally supportive as to whether a vote for him would be worth it-this part is what is hurting John McCain-he should be 10-20 points ahead in the polls over Obama, if he’d just ‘get it’.
People don’t generally vote for politicians who diss them…if they do it is only because they perceive the alternative to be worse…this is the camp I’m in.
There is hope for McCain but the window of opportunity is shrinking….
Sorry guys, wise_man is right on this one. Who are you going to vote for? Bob Barr? He’s started slobbering all over Algore, and he’s planning to retreat from Iraq. Thinking of trying a write-in? That won’t work unless you manage to gin up the support of millions to vote for the same person.
This is too important to throw away on a quest for perfection. Barack Obama is a communist, and the country will not survive if he’s elected. I’m as mad as the rest of you about McCain, but we need to help him win and spend the next four years working our asses off for a good candidate. At least the damage he’ll do is mostly fixable after four years.
Don’t tell me that if we have another Jimmy Carter we’ll get another Ronald Reagan; by the time Obama’s done with the country it’ll be too late for even another Reagan to save it. We’ll have monstrous increases in spending that might just break the economy, we’ll have countless new bureaucracies created that will never go away, and we will experience government intrusion into our private lives in ways Jimmy Carter could barely dream of.
Worst of all, we will surrender and accept defeat in the war in Iraq and leave Israel to the wolves, which will embolden al-Qaeda, Iran, the Taliban, Hizb’allah, and all the other Islamic kooks; it will allow them to regroup, re-take Iraq and Afghanistan, and destroy any chance those people have of experiencing democracy, let alone basic human rights. If Obama wins because enough people are in such a snit fit over McCain not being the perfect candidate, our next war in the Middle East will be longer, bloodier, and more damaging to everyone involved than anything that’s happening now.
I fully appreciate the need to vote with one’s conscience, but we have no choice. This election is amazingly difficult for me: it’s the first one in which I’ll have the ability to participate because I’m turning 18 less than three weeks before it happens. Look at the choice I have to make. I basically have my whole life ahead of me, and the way things go right now will decide how that future will turn out. I have to fight now and in the future to keep the country I love intact, and I do not want that chance destroyed by anyone, no matter how pure the intent.
To drive the point home, here’s an e-mail my dad sent me last week; tell me, if you can, which parts do not sound accurate.
Good Grief,
The cognitive dissonance is palpable.
John Ansell,
Look on the bright side the power doesn’t go out every other week anymore. I too voted for Arnold but I also voted against his plan, remember that? Yep I also influenced many others to vote against it, as a matter of fact I have pretty much voted against everything lately, my little protest. I understand and agree with every point you make they are all right on. But we are not voting for McCain and amnesty we are doing precisely the opposite and we are following an already successful model, the GWB /McCain/Kennedy amnesty destruction plan. To not vote for McCain is to go against all of your points and to give America over without a fight, that’s just my opinion and I too will not hold it against you whatever you decide to do. I’m just sayin, think about the future and how we can best control it. A vote for McCain at this point is not a vote for amnesty its a vote against it. He can tell the race that he’s going to give them all pink polka dotted pigs for all I care, they don’t influence policy, we do.
As long as you McCain desenters fight Obama with everything you got should he become president (the obama little p). I’m trying to get out of NYC metro. I don’t wanna die in a Obama “sanctioned” attack.
So write-ins better fight this Obama bastard hard if this incompetent gets in.
This one:
I think it should read “liberation”.
The fearmongering is strong in this thread.
Well, that’s barring unforeseen circumstances, of course.
My larger point was in considering some outcomes should Obama win.
Think of this, should that be the case;
Person A enthusiastically votes for who they believe to be the one best suited to be President, the candidate of the XYZ Party. Obama wins, XYZ loses.
Person B, holding nose and clutching stomach, woefully votes for The ABC Party nominee – someone who they believe is a bad candidate. That candidate also loses, Obama wins.
Of course, only one candidate can win. It doesn’t matter if the losers lose by 500,000 votes or 50,000,000 votes. Both the losing voters are in the exact same boat.
So you have one voter who did the right thing for the right reason and one who did the wrong thing for what they believed was a right reason. Both will have to live with their choices, but I can understand if the person who did the right thing for the right reason probably sleeps better than does the other voter.
At any rate you can take heart, as MsJustice noted above, that McCain is very much in the game according to the polls. I don’t think anybody should be surprised if that changes due to a continued misplaced trust in the MSM and a desire to run a low profile “respectful” non-campaign.
You are sadly mistaken if you think that a Barack Obama or a John McCain will be the same.
Why do you continuously say this when it is so obviously a lie?
Are you doing this to make yourself feel better about contributing to an Obama presidency, because if you tell others and yourself that they are the same, when they are clearly not at all, you might convince yourself of this fantasy?
Even if you are telling the truth, a president’s actions toward immigration is one one of hundreds of things that the president is going to be in charge of.
You will ABSOLUTELY settle for the GREATER of TWO EVILS in your selfish and self-destructive vendetta against the man you don’t want to become president.
I have mentioned this repeatedly. You are a conservative who can tell wright from wrong, and you would rather a conservative in office than a liberal, so why are you here doing this? What is your motivation? I can’t possibly understand the mentality that wants to see a democrat in power for 4 to 8 years just because the person you backed lost to McCain.
You have to speak to me in plain english, and tell me the real reason you are doing this for me to understand you.
Yup and double ditto on that.
TGUSA, I see your points. If McInsane would just change his position on amnesty….that 1 issue….many of us who are writing in a name would hold our noses and vote for him. But, he choses to pander to Mexicans and other illegals than to people (American’s) he’s elected to rep.
Serious, all he needs to do is fire Juan Hernandez, tell us that he’s wrong for supporting and pushing amnesty and that he’s willing to cut federal funding to any sancuary city/county and state and by the end of the day, he’d be beating Obambi 80% to 17% with “others” picking up the 3%
The old man just doesn’t get it. That’s why he’s even polling below Obambi in his home state.
I doubt it. The guy’s not that smart.
Man, some people have totally lost it!
Why not say that a vote for Obama is a vote against communism?
The “mav” was always a little slow on the up take.
By the way Gabe, I don’t think Allahpundit at Hot Air is in the tank for either of the halfwits running.
Supporting Mccain is not going to keep Obama out. If all the people who are acting so terrified of Obama are serious then they need to join us in dumping McCain and putting somebody sane on the GOP ticket.
What Flenser said.
And what is your plan when that fails?
What’s the difference in being deranged about McCain and claiming all sorts of things about him that aren’t true the day before the election or four months before the election?
McCain clinched the republican primaries. He’s the nominee. It’s going to be down to McCain and Obama.
You get one choice. What are you going to do, John Ansell, the day of the election? Are you going to sit by and do nothing as millions of democrats and moderates will be voting for Obama?
On July 21st, 2008 at 7:50 pm, franksalterego said:
It’s incredible. “Conservatives” who want to help the
liberalsocialist because they don’t think the consirvative is consirvative enough..We had the primaries to decide that, remember? Everyone else dropped out and have now endorsed McCain, well, except for Ron Paul. Having a perpetual hissy fit isn’t going to bring Ron back and voting for some other 3rd party misfit herder is only going to elect the surrendering appeaser.
It is Obama or McCain. Say that out loud flenser: Obama or McCain. At this point that is reality.
Reality.
Indeed. Some here have yet to recognize this. Or perhaps they are not who they say they are. Either way, they advocate the same thing. Obama.
Maybe sometime after “Maverick” discovers that the MSM libs are not his “friends,”
…. that more people here will recognize who among here are also not the “friends” of real conservatives, and their logical fallacy is finally seen for what it is, they won’t be poisoning this site.
But I am not holding my breath.
flenser,
Why don’t you drop that shortsighted thinking. I have already seen this movie its called Bush/Perot/Clinton 92, it infuriated me at the time and I said never again. 9-11 was a Pearl Harbor moment, there was a monumental shift of public opinion in just one day. The dems don’t recognize this, the reps are only barely grasping this monumental shift. The world was again turned upside down for Americans and and again many things must change. We need these next presidential candidates to come out and start talking to us via the internet talk radio etc. the day after the election. We need to get to know the next candidates long before the process begins. That was the biggest failure of conservative blogs and sources in the nominating process, they jumped from one candidate to the next as they fell without us ever getting the chance to compare them up front. The msm must be ignored they wont cover them, its up to the conservatives on the radio and the internet to fairly compare the candidates and produce the info for us to digest. The world has become even more dangerous and we can’t wait for a year before the election to get to know our future candidates/leaders. And guess what, there’s an added benefit to it all, that would force one such as McCain to compete with the future with the people who are getting the most support even as he lives in his present. And don’t forget Pearl Harbor had no images to shift thinking only a radio broadcast, 9-11 is much different but when will these pols recognize it?
This is what many o you, our host included, don’t seem to be scared shi*less of:
Obama’s 143 days of Senate experience
Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That’s how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days — I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.
In contrast, John McCain’s 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever.
On July 21st, 2008 at 5:44 pm, wise_man said:
You’re not.
But then, you already knew that.
unfortunately his positions:
against drilling in ANWR
for gun control
for amnesty for illegals
for closing club gitmo
for opposing what he mistakenly refers to as ‘torture’
for cap and trade
for mccain feingold
are just as bad, or worse as obaMahdi’s….at least with obama the republicans might grow a pair and oppose him. instead of going along with captain queeg as he ‘accomodates’ (bends over) for Uncle Keg (Teddy)
Off topic but with regard to the vote democrate vs republican (or else) argument…
Similar to the leftist who practices moral/ethical/spiritual equivalence on demand, republicans who practice an ambiguious philosophy for political expediency promote principals which cannot be trusted…hence the GOP’s problem.
Like many conservatives I’m not emotionally tied to seeing either the socialist (hussein) or the liberal (mctoad) in office. Regardless of who is elected though, conservatives main priority at this point is to promote and elect a solidly conservative congressional base from which to operate. I does not need to be a majority, just large and focused enough to put a crimp in the majorities agenda.
Conservative philosophy put to practice, the backbone of America’s greatest traits will not be denied regardless of POTUS/SOCTUS (or republicans)…we will prevail.
oh we already know that MCCAIN is definately absolutely NOT a friend of conservatives.
I’m glad all you cats are keeping an eye on the New York Times for me. I won’t read that nasty bird cage liner.
oops should read “(It) does not need…”
You might want to rephrase your query, WiseMan. According to Rasmussen, July 1, 2008, the breakdown by party affiliation is:
Republican 31.5%
Democrat 41.0%
Other 27.5%
If it’s 68.5% v. 31.5%, then “sitting by and doing nothing” is a moot point either way.
On July 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm, right4life said:
HIS OPPONENT SERVED 143 DAYS IN THE SENATE BEFORE HE DECIDED HE WAS QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. That is his resume. By contrast he went to the “damn America church” for 20+ years!
This is our country we are talking about. Can’t you realize that you are going to have to fight the good fight on those other issues in the house and senate but this dangerous, incompetent, arrogant child can not be allowed to drive the USA in to the ground?
Just call me “fair and balanced”:
Volunteers to protect B.H.O:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/07/terror-group-volunteers-to-protect.html#comments
I know, and I think the best thing is for obama to win, and have a principled conservative opposition. otherwise mccain is going to so poison the notion of conservatism, by saying he’s conservative, and governing like a liberal, that the left will have a generation of dominance.
is not a good choice, but its the best available. the next four years are going to be ugly, with liberal policies coming home to roost and we’ll see if it wakes people up.
but if the republicans continue to embrace ‘pragmatism’ like mccain, then forget it. we’re done…and we may be done no matter what
Throw out all the historical trends and polling numbers this election is historical, so the msm is right on one tiny part of it. There are people that will come out to vote for BHO that have never voted before. Same as there will be those who come out for the first time or in a long time and vote against him. The question is which group has the larger numbers? If I were in Vegas and putting my own money down I would bet on the latter. Americans in general are not quite as stupid as the media would have us believe. They are perfectly capable of understanding the not so subtle nuances of BHO and it doesn’t hurt when they when they hear them for themselves. I submit that many Americans have heard enough.
There ya go “wise”_man.. you are in GOOD company… lol
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Is this thing on?
McCain is a dangerous, incompetent, arrogant child, one who will drive this country into the ground. For some reason that does not seem to worry you.
You’re sadly and badly mistaken. It changed nothing.
Bill Grant said:
G@d, Bill- I hope you don’t keep food in that long!
Rest assured Bill -humor aside- I get the point. Despite the legitimate critcisms I or anyone else could lodge agianst McCain, the race will be won by either Obama or McCain. Therefore as I have said before, I will take the risk and vote for McCain, even though only time will tell us what transpires with his administration.
Reality is what you make it, Grant. We have free will. If your were an actual conservative instead of another refugee from the Democratic party then I would not need to tell you that.
Having turned your own party into a festering pustule you people are now trying to do the same to mine. Not if I can help it.
Only if that’s what you want to happen.
On July 21st, 2008 at 9:07 pm, right4life said:
You do not gain influence by losing elections.
What you are reciting is something tossed out by a Washington DC based PR firm that was hired by the DNC in order to keep the rubes on their tractors in the flyover states come election day. The idea that it will purify the republican party to lose an election is nonsensical. Regardless, what the democrats plan on doing (creating gigantic entitlement programs) pose an immediate threat to our economic stability and deliberately capitulating in Iraq (and probably Afghanistan when their base demands it) is simply traitorous.
No, it is an incredibly BAD idea.
The idea that the country can prosper or achieve anything while the other half is rooting for failure in order to blame the people in charge is another really bad one. That is what the democrats have done for the past 7 years, worked against success (even if it means getting our soldiers killed) in order to blame Bush. I thought we were supposed to be better then that. Additionally, in this race to the bottom that you propose, conservatives will lose because the other side doesn’t even pay lip service to loving the USA.
I love this country, I will fight for it every step of the way. I simply wont roll over and declare it “done”.
No, destroying the USA in the incredibly far fetched, unworkable, lousy idea that it will strengthen the conservatives is a bad idea across the board and one that was brought to you by the good folks at Hill & Knowlton via the DNC.
Flenser,
Even you don’t recognize the change in the minds of many Americans. But you are also willing to cut off your nose to spite your face so no big surprise there. Go ahead if you must mongo, it’s a relatively free country after all, for now.
Grant, you are not paying lip service to loving the USA.
If you believe that then you should be willing to take up arms against them. But you’re not, are you?
You want conservatives to bail you out of your liberal jam. But you’re not asking very nicely.
So you think the Nader voters in 2000 are sleeping well after 7 years of the Bush administration? I’m guessing they have fitful sleep every single night.
Will you be able to sleep well knowing that you didn’t do everything you could to prevent the socialist state we’ll end up with? Vote third party or write in if you want, but don’t be surprised if, two years from now, you’re on this site and people keep telling you “You could have prevented this.”
tgusa
Can you go into some detail about this supposed change? Because so far you’re blowing smoke.
I don’t know what you’re talking about and neither do you. I have no intention of cutting off my nose, from spite or not.
I also have no intention of supporting your left-wing candidate. Perhaps you consider that cutting off your nose, but that’s a different metter.
If John McCain hasn’t figured out the only Liberal friend he has is named Joe Lieberman then somebody need to smack him “upside the head”! And if Joe Lieberman hasn’t figured out that the Democrats are a party of traitors then he needs a couple smacks “upside the head” too!
That makes no sense. You do realise that, right?
We’re ending up with a socialist state due to people just like you, with your mentality that you’d vote for Hugo Chavez if he was running on the Republican ticket.
if you don’t want socialism then you have to vote against it. That means voting against Obama and McMain.
On July 21st, 2008 at 9:31 pm, flenser said:
That’s good, really good, I write something and you cut and paste it only with the really clever addition of pressing the delete key over “Obama” and writing in “McCain”. Now that’s discourse. Really, with such delete key skill it’s no wonder you are gravitating to some pide piper of misfits like Nader.
It should have changed more for you flenser.
Well then, by all means then go jump and start flapping your arms. The chances of you flying are about the same as someone other then Obama or McCain being elected.
I am actually voting for a republican. You?
The democrats, who you are supporting by prxy are something far worse then what you describe.
I don’t think Lieberman cares. He’s one of the traitors, after all.
I could but I’m not going to, do your own research. By the way, two questions, is it past your bedtime and where do you live, in a bubble?
Thanks, it was. But you did not respond to the point that McMoron is a spoiled, dangerous, incompetent, arrogant child.
When did you start doing that? When they stopped being conservative?
I’m supporting the Democrats by proxy, you doof. That would be you. You’re the one supporting the the Dem in Reps clothing, not me.
It’s not 68.5 versus 31.5.
Bush was elected twice. Of course the 31.5 percent of republicans (usually) vote republican, and the 41.0 democrats vote for democrats. And this time it’s not going to be too different from all other elections where the “other” or independents, or the undecideds will help to decide the election. If the moron wing of the republican party / conservatives sit this out, then Obama will most likely be the next president.
So it is not a moot point.
and you think conservatism gains influence by mccain winning? come on, he’s betrayed conservatives for years…and he will so discredit ‘conservatism’ that the left will be dominant for a generation. and I think thats what mccain wants, to totally destroy conservatism. if he wins then the repubs move toward the middle, and conservatives are given the shaft. they don’t want to represent me, then they can win without me.
it sure worked in 1976 when Ford lost. it discredited the moderates for 10 years until bush the elder raised his moderate head.
oh you mean like the prescription drug program like bush did? a few more years of ‘conservatism’ like that and ‘conservatism’ will just be socialism.
yeah bush spent the last 8 years trying to ‘work’ with the democrats…done a lot of good hasn’t it?? right. mccain will spend the next 4 bending over for the democrats…to be ‘bipartisan’ no thanks.
I don’t know how old you are, but this isn’t the country I grew up in. our freedom is being eroded in every way, and mccain had a great deal to do with that. if you want to ‘conserve’ what the country is now, then you’re not a conservative. you’re just another big-gov lib.
we’re already FAR down that road, and nothing mccain or obama propose will reverse that trend.
Made perfect sense. I notice that you spelled “realize” the commonwealth way, are you an American?
If the moron/liberal wing of the the GOP manages to get McCain elected, it won’t make any difference that Obama has been defeated.
At least, not to America.
How does it make “perfect sense” except in your own tiny and warped mind? You assume that the Nader voters could have/should have voted for Gore. But that simply highlights your near total ignorance of politics.
*yawn*
Amen to that.
It means that the “conscience” voters are probably sorry they didn’t vote for Gore. I’ll try to keep it simpler for you from now on.
So you’re saying that if I vote third party or write in Obama wins, then we won’t have socialism. Please explain to me how my third party/write-in candidate is going to win the election with 3% of the vote. Even lgm knows that’s not possible.
Sorry, Dorothy, clicking your heels and wishing really hard isn’t going to make Obama go away.
Been hitting the bottle again, Rose? Go sleep it off.
the race will be won by either Obama or McCain.
You betray any intelligence you might otherwise appear to have from the benefit of the doubt here, if you think that someone else will be the next president.
Bob Barr is polling at 6. In the last election, George W Bush got 50 percent, and Kerry got 48. Bob Barr is going to do the same thing that Ralph Nader did. Loose.
Intelligent people who can understand the difference between what is possible and what is fantasy know what you don’t.
If you want to gain any respect from people here, you need to express yourself intelligently.
So far, you are not. And this site is only pulled down by having you as a participant. You might as well be advocating your favorite plastic spoon for president. At least your idiocy would have a greater entertainment value.
I suspect since they voted for whom they thought was the best candidate that they are pretty happy with their vote. I have no idea why they would vote for a candidate they didn’t support. Makes no sense.
Now, if you want to find folks who are upset about 2000, you should check out Al Gore & supporters since he did carry the popular vote over George Bush in that election. Now they’re the ones who’re still fuming even after 8 years. Personally, I don’t care, it’s ancient history and I don’t think you’ll convince the President to retroactively concede anyway.
Then there’s this whole ‘nother thing called the “Electoral College” ya gotta ponder. Me, I’m “c’est la vie”.
On July 21st, 2008 at 9:55 pm, flenser said:
I was being sarcastic actually, I thought it was childish.
Because it is not a “point”, it is a childish transposition of the words from a very real “spoiled, dangerous, incompetent, arrogant child;” Barack Obama on to someone who has served this country in war and peace. Obama has simply served himself. Good of you to deflect all criticism of Obama on to McCain though… It shows that you do in fact understand that it is a choice between the 2.
I don’t think I need to establish my “consirvative cred” with a snotty kos kid like you.
Probably not by proxy.
BHO defeated by McCains pet pony sends shockwaves through the dem party like we have never seen before. The jilted ones are waiting in the brush if he loses they will go at each others throats. The Clintons brought the party to where it is and they got tossed under the bus, when BHO loses, look out. I think four years of restraining the mav is probably worth that.
McCain is not a socialist.
Good Lord, Michelle, why do you allow these people to poison your site?
You knumbskull, they were never going to vote for Gore. They hated him as much as Bush.
Can’t you read? I said the exact opposite of that you wrote after “So you’re saying ..”.
Let me try this. So you’re saying that we should blow up the Washington Monument?
Your lone ballot is worth 3% of the vote? Then we’re off to a good start.
Admit it – you don’t WANT a third party candidate to win and threaten the liberal hegemony.
Because she agrees with them.
Witless man.
Yes, he is.
flenser said:
We had these things called “primaries” You might have missed it, but McCain got the most votes. All the other guys endorsed him. Now you know.
Ok, so that’s why Gore won.
I don’t think that you are capable of establishing any conservated cred.
The words apply in spades to McCain. He is all of these things – dangerous, incompetent, spoiled, arrogant, and childish.
On a local talkshow in Boston this afternoon, a caller lamented McCain’s lackluster campaign, saying “He isn’t even trying”.
To which the host replied, “I have a more horrifying thought: what if he is?”
Given that Nader voters lean pretty far to the left, I’d guess they aren’t too happy with President Bush. The Gore camp begged Nader to drop out because he was cannibalizing their votes. If Nader hadn’t run, Gore would have become president.
That means they are probably not happy with the most conservative of the three choices. I can’t picture them saying, “Wow, this is the exact opposite of what I wanted, but at least I sent a message with my vote and chose the candidate I liked best.”
flenser said:
And you have intimate knowledge of their decision making process Ill bet.
LOL!
That makes even less sense than anything else you say. What does that comment even mean? That’s why Gore did NOT win, not that you are smart enough to grasp that.
Why would they be unhappy with Bush? Do you think he’s been a right wing President?
I’m familar with politics, which seeming is a lot more than can be said about you.
In a word, NO. It will matter it will matter enormously. So you are not getting what you wanted, maybe not what I wanted, so what? Are you going to pick up your toys and go sulk or or you going to keep your eye on a goal and keep moving. Will the “conservatives” who are determined to shill for the far left when we are in a war please do one thing? Grow up already!
flenser said:
Another lame retort from our commonwealth friend. Tell me are you Canadian or just a lousy speller?
Good work, Grant. Now lets see you get him elected.
We are not shilling for the far left. That’s what you McCainuts are doing.
And stop with the moronic “war” talk already. We’re not in a war, much as you wish otherwise.
How will it matter “enormously” whether McCain or Obama shafts the country?
That was the WHOLE point, idiot. That was the whole ORIGINAL POINT that you said didn’t make any sense you adolescent Trotskyite posing as an uber-conservative in order to split the republican vote and get Obama elected…
So you speak for the Nader voters and their motivations for tossing their vote away….
On July 21st, 2008 at 10:17 pm, Bill Grant said:
flenser said:
Canadian, would be my guess.
What’s the matter, English not your first language?
That is exactly what you are doing, you are trying to split the right and get Obama elected.
You aren’t but there are other people fighting and dying to protect your rights. the ones you abuse by being an uninformed, sanctimonious idiot.
I would hope that being upset at McCain’s great number of undesirable qualities and positions that he has on politics can have a finite boundary of hate that does not cross over into derangement.
As I have mentioned before, when organizations tabulate the voting record on our politicians, that Obama scores as the most liberal, and that McCain is further toward the center, but still heavily into the conservative end of the scale.
There has to be a rational explanation for someone to say that McCain is a socialist. I see a few possibilities.
An internet troll. Maybe someone who is a teenager, and loves to mess with people because they think it is fun,
A liberal who comes to a conservative web site to perpetuate their own operation chaos on to us. We know that there are unhinged liberals who hate Michelle. She publishes their email hate mail every so often. What better way to seek revenge for Michelle insulting their liberal heroes by getting posting privileges and then disrupting the commenting section of her website. I am sure that they are astounded that they have gotten away with it for so long.
And also, a ’small ‘r’ republican or someone who otherwise would categorize them self as some sort of conservative who despises someone like McCain because he won the republican primary. They could have supported Ron Paul. Or maybe Bob Barr. And they want the same as the troll and the liberal poser to this site. For McCain to loose, for Obama to win, and for whoever to win next time while Obama wrecks this nation for at least 4 years.
In any event, these three types, possibly more, all want the same thing, to attempt to lie about McCain, use illogical conversations in order to disrupt and make havoc to most sensible conservatives irritation and their own delight.
This is not in my opinion silencing a dissenting voice, as much as purging a disruptive force that is here for only one reason.
I would enjoy this site with more discussion and less childish trolling and outright lies that tarnish this site’s reputation. This is only a suggestion. The owner of this site may do as she pleases. I only hope that she does not allow her site to sink to the level of one of the disgusting liberal blogs in it’s poor quality of community.
As I mentioned at 5:44 pm, the huffington post closed comments when the published the news of tony snow’s death, because they knew what their members would say. I would like to see this site never sink to that level, and this is what to me seems to be the first symptom.
That was not the WHOLE POINT, idiot. The point you missed, being a brainless lefty, was that those people were not going to vote for Gore, ever. They’d have hated Gore if elected just as much as Bush. And they are getting something closer to what they wanted now with Obama.
Let me know if this is still unclear to you.
Nobody will ever be able to accuse you of posing as a conservative, that’s for sure. The next conservative sentiment you express will be your first.