Gang-linked San Fran sanctuary case charged with murder of a father and two sons (UPDATE: Video interview with widow added)
These stories of preventable violence by illegal aliens are increasingly horrifying, and yet I suspect many of us have almost grown numb to them. But the San Francisco Chronicle’s Jaxon Van Derbeken, who has done a great job uncovering San Fran’s illegal-alien-crack dealer shuttle service, has now linked one of the sanctuary policy’s underage wards to a particularly heinous crime:
The man charged with killing a father and two sons on a San Francisco street last month was one of the youths who benefited from the city’s long-standing practice of shielding illegal immigrant juveniles who committed felonies from possible deportation, The Chronicle has learned.
Edwin Ramos, now 21, is being held on three counts of murder in the June 22 deaths of Tony Bologna, 48, and his sons Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16. They were shot near their home in the Excelsior district when Tony Bologna, driving home from a family picnic, briefly blocked the gunman’s car from completing a left turn down a narrow street, police say.
Ramos, a native of El Salvador whom prosecutors say is a member of a violent street gang, was found guilty of two felonies as a juvenile – a gang-related assault on a Muni passenger and the attempted robbery of a pregnant woman – according to authorities familiar with his background.
This is what the feel-good Sanctimony City policies bring upon their law-abiding citizens–and on the rest of the country. San Francisco had two opportunities to deport a violent felon with (if you’ll read a little further in the article) ties to the MS-13 gang, and they didn’t do it. They can’t even plead incompetence–the sanctuary policy worked exactly as it was intended.
The City of San Francisco wanted to keep criminal illegal alien juveniles like Edwin Ramos in San Francisco–or, at least, somewhere inside the United States. They were willing to frustrate a federal law to do so. And a devastating, preventable triple murder occurred because of their policy.
I hope that warm, fuzzy, liberal feeling of sanctuary sanctimony was worth it to them.
P.S. Looks like ICE screwed this one up as well: when they finally did get the suspect’s name in March, after a query from the SF’s sheriff’s department on a traffic stop and a gun charge, ICE didn’t report back that he was “deportable”.
P.P.S. I am so glad I left California–although I seem to be in a sanctuary area nonetheless. Hey Gerry Connolly, is this the policy you want to run on for Congress?
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UPDATE AND BUMP, 7/22: Here’s a heart-rending video interview with Danielle Bologna, who lost her husband and two sons because of San Francisco’s policy in contravention of Federal law. At one point, choking back tears, Mrs. Bologna says:
If my family wasn’t safe, what makes you think yours will be?
There is nothing I can add to that.
(Thanks to Allah.)
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Bush, Obama, McCain, and most of Congress are totally corrupt on illegal immigration, and without any shame. I see no hope there.
Isn’t there some way to get the subject of illegal immigration into the courts? Perhaps there remains some integrity in the Supreme Court at least.
Well, not us. The people who vote for these stupid politicians don’t care. Vote them out, early and often.
Can the family (if there is any family left alive) sue the state for this? Clearly it is their negligence and intentional ignorance of federal law that permitted this criminal to remain in the US. And what will happen now? The guy will get off ofter a couple of years or deported because he’s not a legal citizen, and he’ll be back on the streets a month later. Wait until one of these bastards murders a politician or their family, THEN you’ll see some reaction. Until it affects them personally, these arrogant idiots in government won’t do a damn thing. Maybe we should deport the politicians.
…emboldened “special non-citizens” who are held above the law. Thank you, liberals.
It is not that we have grown numb…it is that the media refuses to report these crimes. Well, that is not entirely true…they report them, they just seem to continually omit the fact that they are committed by ILLEGAL immigrants. Instead, they will just put down that the perp was a youth, or “possibly gang related”. Should the topic of the guilty party’s residency status come up, they will again conviniently leave out the “ILLEGAL” portion of it.
They have already succeeded in turning this into a call of racism by continually omitting the ILLEGAL status and turning all of us that support the deportation of anyone coming into this country without the proper proceedures into pseudo-racists, making all of us appear to be against anyone immigrating here, but then make it into where we are allegedly anti-Mexican regardless of the fact that we could care less what country the ILLEGALS came from.
This same tactic is used concerning Muslims who are wanted for or guilty of crimes…namely murders. They refuse to state that the person practices Islam, even though the name of the person could hardly be anything else. Should it be obvious that it is of a Jihadi nature, they will go so far as to completely omit the name all together. Should any of us point out the fact that the guilty party is a practicer of “The Religion Of Peace”, they begin the “Racist, Islamophobic” rhettoric immidiately, hoping to squelch any and all chance of having the truth of what took place.
It is truly difficult to believe that any staff member of the Chronicle is actually on the side of truth and justice, and could actually be exposing the true nature of the crimes and those that commit them…but thank God there is at least one there that will.
With any luck, some of his collegues will be swayed by his actions, and the truth about the epidemic number of violent and drug related crimes that are committed on a daily basis by people that are not supposed to be here in the first place, let alone have been assisted in committing their crimes by the very people and governments that are sworn and dictated by law to protect us from them, ceasing this almost conspiritorial plague of silence and covering up being done by news outlets all across this country.
Only when the lights are finally turned on will the blind idiots of the Left finally lose their arguments concerning the non-deprtation of all ILLEGAL immigrants here in this country.
/rambling soap box
I’ll go you one better.
Those city employees and Government officials that let the perpetrator go the first two times should be charged with three counts a piece of Accessory to Murder (First Degree). They are are a guilty as this coward is in the deaths of those three men.
It’s time to start holding Government, and the agents that comprise that Government, accountable for their actions. And if you can not, it’s time to think about what the Founding Fathers said about this, and what they did to fix their situation.
There has to be a lawyer who would take this pro-bono, because, until someone stands up to the city of San Francisco, and make them accountable for their actions, then horrors like this will continue.
For goodness sake, if McDonalds can be successfully sued for spilt coffee. this example of gross dereliction of duty should be a slam dunk.
Any person (and I use the term only because I can’t think of a replacement suitable for this forum) who would murder because of a traffic incident is eligible for immediate dispatch by the closest individual with a firearm. Cold blooded and remorseless is the mental condition of the perp, cold blooded and remorseless should be the punishment. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it’s time to stop this crap.
This evil has many fathers. Two of them are George Bush and John McCain. Another is Obama. All three care more for votes than American lives.
So what are you going to do, come November?
I’m waiting for the day someone finally sues the city, the mayor, the police chief and the city attorney for this crap. Sue them PERSONALLY, as well as city-wise, and hold them accountable for the crime of “aiding and abetting a felony”, which they did.
This tragic story just goes to show that immigration reform is a national security issue. How many illegal immigrants participate in gang activity, violent crime and other illegal actions that impact our quality of life.
My take on this is that we propose a zero tolerance policy for sanctuary cities which involves the freezing of all funding for non-critical (health care, police/fire, etc) services.
Come November, I’m voting for McCain.
The only ‘father’ of this murder is Gavin Newsom, beenthere .
It is past time to start suing individual politicians for this outrage. They have broken the law, and we are a nation of laws are we not?
If Col. West can be in trouble for threatening a bad guy, then Gavin Newsom and his cronies should be in trouble for committing actual crimes.
Let’s change the name of ICE to TTIASO (throw the illegal alien scum out)With a new title, they might know what their job is supposed to be about.
Jeepers Creepers! You people are just ignorant, mono-linguist meanies….
If the Bolagnas had been able to speak Spanish, this would have never happened. Poor souls were heard shouting “merci beaucoup” as they were being gunned down by one of “God’s children”.
wise_man,
Not very wise are you? Both the city of SF AND the federal government dropped the ball on this one.
How much is the McCain campaign paying you to troll here or are you doing it out of the kindness of your heart?
What till it happens to one of the families of the elite.
#14 That is good. Will we see this splashed all over the MSM? Will we see a call for the immediate resignation of Gavin “Scumbag” Newsom?
supersean,
How much is the Obama campaign paying you to troll here, or are you doing it out of the kindness of your heart?
Was that comment stupid? As much as yours was. I am attempting to bring some sanity to this page in a direct response to the insane people’s comments.
I just watched Danielle Bologna the wife and mother of the victims, on Fox, this women needs our prayers she lost her whole family, in a twist of fate that should have never happened, a gaping wound in her heart that cam never be filled. The public officials of SF and ICE are responsible for this tragedy and should be held accountable for this, as far as I’m concerned they are accessories to murder.
This is so sad. As long as there is more compasion for illegals by the open-border wackos than for the victims, these crimes will continue. Nothing will change until the body count gets high enough to cause public outrage.
“Wise_man” #18
Name 1 post of mine in support of Obama or his policies? I can count several dozen of yours directly supporting McCain.
As it can be seen from my post history, I am against amnesty, sanctuary cities, and in support of securing our borders.
#19
Concur with you 100%. Until we have accountability, these blatant and tragic errors (ICE) and disregard for the law (sanctuary cities) will continue.
To Leftists, these people were White, European, Christian oppressors. Their lives are meaningless in the context of the global struggle against climate change, income redistribution, imperialist white people, evil America, poor, poor little brown people who should be forgiven everything considering all the racism they suffer. It matters NOTHING to the people who write the newpapers, the people who produce the garbage on TV news, or the Country Club Republicans what happened to these people. They are nothing, and now they are less than nothing because they cannot vote. Unless and until a Conservative Pitchfork Rebellion occurs, people like these will continue to matter little to the Leftists, and the CC-ers.
I just watched the mother and wife of the father and tttwo sons who were murdered by this evil murdering messenger of Satan. I’m shaking riiightt now as I’m typingg I’mmm soo maaddee. The interview was on America’s Newsroom on Fox News with Megan Kelly. It was so so powerful. Words can not do it justice. My heart weeps for this lady and her family. The diabolical Gavin Newsom should be charged with being an accomplice to this murder. I’M SO DAMN ANGRY RIGHT NOW I’M AFRAID I’ll SAY SOMETHING I’LL REGRET.
“supersean”
Yes. I have decided to do what Fred Thompson is doing, supporting the republican who will win the republican nomination because he was the winner of the republican primaries.
And I already explained that my comment was in direct response to yours. It’s idiotic to claim that a person who is pushing back on the lame anti-McCain comments is being paid by McCain.
And if Obama wins, what do you think is going to happen to amnesty, sanctuary cities, and securing our borders?
I work for the city of SF. Not only is Newsom not backing down, he is still insisting that the feds had an “understanding” with the city over illegal criminals. The feds deny all of it. Worse, Newsom still insists that the city’s “sanctuary” policy be posted on all city websites, all department websites, and he insists that all city employees acknowledge the policy on threat of termination. Ever since the lefty invasion of this city during the 90s, the city has degenerated into third world status as the middle class fled and the city was overrun with illegals. The black community here is awash is violence, gangs, and drugs, and no one will dare criticize blacks for their failed families and their feral children. The “hipster” crowd votes far left, and they have run the show here for the last 15 years. The result is the destruction of a once-beautiful city and its decline into irrelevance.
These illegals don’t know how lucky they are that People haven’t yet reached the anger to arm themselves and go after these monsters themselves. The government doesn’t protect us, it’s getting to the point that we will have to do something ourselves.
I just saw that interview also, and I am totally outraged, and I don’t want to hear another bleeding heart liberal, including McCain or Oblama whine about these criminals!!!
I saw the surviving memeber of the family…wife and mother, on FOX this morning. She couldn’t contain her grief. If I were her I would get a machine gun and go after Newsom..Enough is enough!
It really is a shame what they’ve done to the city. And the victims.
Now I’m starting to see why politicians are so keen on shamnesty; just as DC ‘eradicated’ gangs by renaming them ‘crews‘, thereby removing the politicians’ culpability in the issue, the government hopes to make all these MFs into citizens, so they can then turn around and say they have removed the illegal alien issue. Unfortunately it seems the bulk of the American public will not even blink their apathetic eyes.
“From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
Anyone have a link anywhere to that interview on Fox this morning mentioned in the comments above? I found someone posted attempted to post it on youtube, but whadd’ya know, it was removed shortly after.
I wonder why.
#31
http://search2.foxnews.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=my_frontend&proxystylesheet=my_frontend&output=xml_no_dtd&site=story&getfields=*&filter=0&sort=date%3AD%3AS%3Ad1&entsp=0&q=megan+kelly
Click on Illegal not deported now murder suspect
#32.. link does not work
It’s a long link copy and paste into adress bar instead of clicking on it.
Thank you xler8, just starting to view it now.. sheesh since when does sanctuary city = illegal aliens are above the law. Certainly seems that way. Going to watch now, thanks again…
Click here. This link works.
You can use the “link” button to add a link to your comments.
It’s a lot cleaner for the page and looks like this:
Search results: Megan Kelly.
I also saw the interview with Danielle Bologna this morning on FoxNews and while the story was infuriating to hear the first time, it was doubly infuriating after hearing Mrs. Bologna’s anguished words. If I were her, I would sue the city government and ICE to make this an example to anyone harmed due to sanctuary city policies. Then I would haunt that POS Newsom the rest of his life. I would be like a tick on his a$$, disrupting everything and anything he does. I wouldn’t stop until they put him in the loony bin. He is the epitomy of the arrogant, I-know-what’s-best mentality that I despise the most about liberals.
But most of San Fran-freak-o is concerned with making money and dreaming of hope and change, and couldn’t care less unless one day it’s another protected illegal alien shooting them.
Newsome should be indicted on charges of accessory to murder. Period. The arrogant prick is still adamant about the city’s sanctuary status. I don’t think that pig Ramos should be allowed to live one more day, the sooner he gets to hell, the better, along with all his MS13 scumbag associates.
Greenfairie I agree re dedicating oneself to taking down Newsome (legally of course) in that position, and others equally culpable.
I’d like to know where all the libs are who are always hyperventilating about Republican policies killing people.
Welfare cuts, throwing Granny in the street, for the children, Katrina on and on, and the libs all say the policy is bad no matter what.
I have yet to see any Republican policy that does anything of the sort, yet here is a decidedly DEMOCRAT policy that clearly results in people being killed.
Being Democrat means never having to acknowledge the result of your stupidity.
What do you think of Gavin Newsom’s sanctuary policy? Let him know. gavin.newsom@sfgov.org
Unfortunately the only way for her to get justice is put a 50 cal in his POS head!
If anyone is so angry with Newsom to the point of emailing anything that you might regret in the future, please wait a day before sending anything.
Not that I think you would, xler8bmw. I’m just saying it in case anyone is so angry that they might not consider the consequences.
#43 thxs just talking reality and I live 3000 miles away from SF!
Newsom is a disgrace. Maybe next they will take out one of his family members and then he can go on about how SF is a sactuary city.
http://www.casadice.com/signs/pages/outside_sign083.htm
Edwin Ramos could not have possibly killed that family with a gun.
Former Mayor Diane Feinstein made possession of a handgun in SF illegal many years ago. She even handed in her own “piece.” Plus, an illegal alien cannot purchase a gun in California, as it is also against the law.
Liberals in this state, believe it is their Godless-given right to protect this poor boy, who only came to the US
for a betterto takea lifelives here and there….Sarc/off
Wow, Wise_man #43 actually gave some good advice. I agree – Newsome is such a hugely arrogant egomaniac, that sending an email of your own take on the situation would probably result in federal action. Funny how politicians like Newsome suddenly develop a respect for federal law when it is to their benefit.
#48 I had no intention of sending newsome and email. Nor Do I need my intelligence insulted that I would have entered my comment in an email. Believe it or not I am a professional in a particular industry.
Thxs!
No worries xler8bmw, I don’t doubt it for a moment. I was in shock that Wise-man made a comment without somehow turning it into a pro-McCain spiel. Those McCain points of his must be really adding up by now.
#50
That’s ok Wiseman made a big assumption that was giving uninvited advice.
I was making a comment like others do sometimes the only way for the woman to really get any kind of justice is to put this POS out of others misery. But, I certainly don’t advocate vigilante justice unfortunately it only gives brief relief and disrupts the justice system.
I said “Not that I think you would, xler8bmw.”
And I only recognize that there is a lot of justifiable anger here, and making comments such as ‘50 cal in his POS head!’ made me think of people who were actually contemplating emailing some sort of ‘you should be the one to die’ or whatever directed at Newsom.
All I was doing was mentioning that it’s one thing to make a comment here, but when you send anything that you might regret, please consider your words.
I re-read my comment and it still looks that way, not as insulting your intelligence, or somehow suggesting that ’sending an email of your own take on the situation’ shouldn’t be done.
Please learn to read what I say and try to understand it clearly, not in your fantasy interpretation.
#52 and that’s all I did was make a comment here. To assume that not only me but, anyone would send it to newsome was a broad assumption.
Again thxs for the advice if I choose or not choose to send an email I don’t need you to warn me of any consequences!
Again, and I said “Not that I think you would, xler8bmw.”
Not long ago, Michelle published a hate mail that she got. I wonder if the person who was obviously angry thought about what words they were going to choose. It was an interesting example to see what this person what thinking. And how they were not thinking.
I think it’s possible for us to make comments and not consider what might happen since we are doing so anonymously.
Obviously my comment of a concern in general was taken as an instructions that were specifically directed to you, despite my comments spelling it out that it was not.
It seems I can’t prevent you from being able to misunderstand me, despite my repeated attempts to do do. Such is life.
put a cork in it wiseman..you aren’t all that wise if you keep going on and on and on.
I am correcting a misunderstanding made against me. Again.
Or. At least I attempted to do so.
Hound Pelosi…that useless hag….She is preventing the SAVE ACT from being voted on.
Well, I would certainly contribute to any legal fund of the family if they decide to personally sue Newsom and the city of SF. I agree they should all be charged with accessory to murder.
Come november, you will be supporting Illegal Aliens along with their Illegal activities.
America gets what it votes for every time.
She spoke with John and Ken on KFI in LA for 45 minutes today.
They will be replaying it at 5 pm PST.
http://www.kfi640.com/main.html
Then click the Listen Live link in the top left.
Illegal aliens…slaughtering the American families that Americans won’t.
Wiseman, could point out the insane people’s comments you refer to? Inquiring minds really don’t care, but like Ron White, “I have the right to remain silent, just not the ability.”
and I’m not really that anonymous. There’s a lot of people, left and right, who know me pesonally because I have maintained the same internet identity for a number of years. It has caused me much joy and grief.
Come November I’ll be voting to protect this country. McCain has already said he heard the people and is for closing the borders. I’m willing to give him a chance to prove it. We can fight him and win on the amnesty thing. He’s wanting to fight and win the war against terror, and that’s my reason for voting for him. The commentors on here who aren’t voting for him mention his stand on immigration, and nothing else. They have actually influenced people to vote against McCain, by going fishing or write in some off the wall name, which
let someone like Hussein Obummer win the election, which means open borders, white flag of surrender to the world terrorist, higher taxes,socialized medicine, 30 to 40 years of a liberal Whitehouse, and Congress. Yep, America’s going to get what they voted for, and what they didn’t vote against.
I am not so sure ICE is an accomplice in this. Since the City decided to shield the illegal aliens previous crimes, they may have not had him anywhere in their system.
Hence, when the call from the SFPD came in he was not ‘guilty’ of anything they were aware of. Now just why the SFPD did NOT report him to ICE after the weapons charges were filed is, well, just another reason to sue the city!
And regardless of the final outcome, I do hope that the remaing family members do sue the City of SF, as well as all co-conspirators in this crime, in a federal court for any and all damages!
You McCain apologist are an outright trip. Are you serious? Have you been paying ANY attention whatsoever to McCain and immigration? Maybe Juan can help him to understand? Or as he is reaching across the aisle he can get more advice from Teddy on immigration, amnesty and the border. No wonder the Republican party is a GD mess.
Thanks for following this story Michelle.
I was in San Francisco and read it in the paper the day after it happened. It’s a travesty.
I wonder what our Republican L_O_T_E has to say about THIS!!!!!?
I wonder what our Republican L_O_T_E has to say about this poor woman’s loss!?
PS-When she has had time to recover from this blow-she must sue Newsome- the SF city council- ICE- and _____
Fed $$$ must be withheld from SF – LA – and et.al. sanctuary cities all..
I think she should sue the city. They didn’t uphold the laws to keep her family safe. Just WHO are they serving?
My heart breaks for her..poor lady. Damn san fran.
I don’t regularly support lawsuits. Most of the time, it’s a way to legally extort money. But, in this case, I agree. She should sue. She should also find a law firm that won’t collect most of the damages and leave her with the scraps. Illegals and the gangs are ruling the streets; the liberals smile and applaud. An “illegal army” has invaded, bent on control and change. Amazing that the politicians care only for their re-elections and power.
Illegal, criminal aliens with no legal standing.
SF is pandering to these gangs IMO because they have surrendered to them and are now trying just to keep them at arms length.
They are busy instituting Martial law in Washington DC and Chicago, and soon San Francisco, as it appears. It’s so hard to concentrate on the further development of Socialism when the Citizenry is demanding it’s Constitutional rights in order to protect itself.
In further news, Obama demonstrated his new censorship this week, as he prevented the New Yorker reporter from boarding the plane on his world-wide trek. Long story short: Write what I want you to write, publish what I want you to publish, or I will cut you out! In response, the NYT denied McCain from submitting an op-ed, unless he re-wrote it to language the Obama campaign would agree to.
Nothing, except that there are stupid – no, not ignorant, just stupid – fools that think they are either immune from such horrors, until it befalls them, or that there aren’t dangerous, murdering criminal illegal aliens and that MS-13 is just a figment of the VRWC’s imagination.
I heard the wife/mother interviewed yesterday on the John and Ken show out of Los Angeles. HEARTBREAKING!
I would have people like this illegal gang member eliminated on the spot, as well as all legal gang members. We are such bleeding hearts.
We are allowing our country to just be destroyed by political correctness. It is time for some tough butt whooping.
Calling an illegal alien an “Undocumented Immigrant”
Is like calling a drug dealer an “Unlicensed Pharmacist”.
I heard the mayor of Los Angeles interviewed also. He runs a Mexican city, illegals are his people. He didn’t blame the fact that the murderer was illegal, he blamed the evil republican run NRA that makes guns available to the poor, sweet illegals. FORCING them into violence and crime… give me a break!
HERE IS SOMETHING FOR ALL YOU MCAMNESTY SUPPORTERS TO THINK ABOUT! McAmnesty says he will determine that the border is secure when the governors of impacted states SAY it is secure. Well, two of California’s potential governors are the mayors of Los Angeles and San Francisco. Liberal nuts and amnesty supporters both. The day they are elected they will declare the border perfectly controlled… and will probably loosen the laws even more.
McAmnesty’s plans are and will be horrible for our country.
Ever notice how the lib trolls never come and preach their nonsense on threads like this?
So when an illegal alien is a drug dealer he is an illegal illegal so he is legal?
I better have another cup of coffee.
Hell, they probably didn’t know which laws they were SUPPOSED to enforce on that particular day. Doesn’t it depend on the last letter in the license plate of the detainee, as to which days they are deportable?
Oh wait. That’s which people can water their lawns, or which people can get gasoline…I forget.
What a screwed up mess we’re in.
I like what I read on this and similar MM blogs concerning illegal immigration. However, I am still bothered by the seemingly indisputable fact that we are “preaching to the choir”, “stroking each other’s backs”, “peeing against the wind”, etc. The question is: how do we become proactive on this issue. Force the MSM to report and acknowledge what is happening and think of ways to get to a much wider audience. Some of the brain washed left wingers will never really understand, but I think there are myriad Americans out there who never read beyond the headlines and are exposed mainly to the MSM’s crappola, who might be able to make informed decisions contrary to what they have been spoon fed. I think we are having too much fun rubbing up against each other and not thinking about how to make a difference. I am not a professional activist nor a natural leader, but I sure as hell am ready to throw in with anyone who has some good ideas and the charisma to make people listen. Too bad we don’t have an Obamaesque person on our side.
Wouldn’t it be “peeing WITH the wind”?
Hey Rob, depends on the nuance. “against the wind” if you are thinking about the good fight, “with the wind” if you are thinking about what we are all feeling….good point.
Possibly, but it was these Conservative blogs and talk radio that stopped McCain-Kennedy and actually shut down the Senate Switch board.
So let’s Keep On Preaching (o: .
Yes, there is a lot of work to do. So get down to the local Party Precinct and find out how you can go RINO hunting and offer CONSERVATIVES to the voters. RINOs are a pest and there is no bag limit. You can vote against all of them. Let them find a job at MickieDs, if they know a hamburger from a milkshake, IF.
Good advice ArizonaNeanderthal. I will pursue it and try to get others on board. BYW, I didn’t imply that we should stop “preaching”,….only that we should try to find ways to have a broader impact. best wishes
IF YOU DIDN’T TAKE THE TIME TO WATCH THIS VIDEO THAT SEE-DUBYA ATTACHED ABOVE… YOU MUST!
VIDEO HERE… IT WILL MAKE YOU PISSED!
# 81 taylork-
I noticed the same thing +++I also noticed that the supporters of Mighty Mc don’t comment on this type of thread either.
I’ve also noticed that “Mighty Mc” didn’t cause this problem.
Gavin Newsom did.
But I guess some democrats here would rather pin this on McCain than the man who is actually responsible, because he is also a democrat.
Well, here is a suggestion by a very strong conservative. Read this if you would please:
How do we become more pro-active? By fighting with the candidate that we only disagree with 20 percent of the time.
Wise words from a wise man, that Gingrich.
I hadn’t seen that wise_man thanks for posting it. What we have here is the establishment with the help of democrats picking our candidate. Dems crossed over in the beginning and pushed McCain over the top because and only because they believed Clinton could easily beat McCain. Do we really want to reward them for it by giving it to BHO? Shouldn’t we say, ok we learned a really valuable lesson and apply it now and in the future? That crossing over was what led to operation chaos which we are getting away from if we hand the election to them. The real fireworks will come after the election if the dems lose. Don’t forget, Jimma Carter should have ruined the dems for decades except that Bush/Perot/Clinton 92 allowed them to creep back in and years later look what we have going on. You know I agree with Mr. Gingrich, I just don’t see any other way. Unless you want to sit there watching obamnesty saying naner naner naner, learn the lesson deal with it and make sure you don’t forget it, ever.
Was that reported on by a news organization, or did you just hear that from a guy who knows a guy?
If there was voter fraud, then it’s you duty as a citizen to report it. I’ll be looking forward to seeing you on television as you testify in court that the democrats stole our election.