The pro deathers suffer from moral relativism. Again, it’s some sort of mental dysfunction. They are irrational in their thought processes.

Symptom of the mental disease that is liberalism.

How can that be if it is not alive/not human/not viable outside the womb?

Seems to me, that if it is ok to remove said “tissue” with a suction unit, medicine, or scrambling it and awaiting a normal discharge under the guidance and hands of a professional physician, then there should be no murder/manslaughter charge…according to the pro-deathers here. Yet there is.

How is that justified? Is it simply a matter of what the mother feels the child is at the time? If she is planning to have the child it is murder/manslaughter, but if she was planning on having an abortion anyway, she shold just be grateful and even take the offender out for dinner as a way of saying “thanks” for saving her the time and money?

Tell me, pro-deathers…just where do you draw the line in this regard? If it is murder for one, should it not be murder for all?

Or maybe is it just whether or not it was some minority child who was just going to be a drain on the economy and welfare. After all, there are also the ones advocating genocide of welfare and other “undesireables”. Where does it come into play with you guys? Do you think it would be best for roving gangs of “Unlicensed Neighborhood Abortion Professionals” to roam around the inner cities looking for welfare moms who are pregnant and then “stage” a mugging that “goes bad”?

Does this relaly sound that bizarre? Not really, if you take the pro-deather’s arguments to their rational conclusion based on their beliefs.

On July 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pm, Yashmak said:

But give it some water and a place to grow, and soon…you’ll have a wonderful pumpkin pie

Right, and give a fetus a place to grow and some time, and one day you might have a wonderful firefighter, or accountant, etc. etc. But that’s alot different than saying it’s a person from the moment of conception.

On July 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, Yashmak said:
So you recognize that the organism developing in those eggs is not a bald eagle yet.
It’s also important to note that while Bald Eagles are endangered species, the same cannot be said of humans (although that’s not entirely relevant to this discussion).

Actually that IS relevant. If a growing fertilized egg of a Bald Eagle is protected becuase it will grow into a Bald Eagle, then a growing fertilized egg of human being should be given AT LEAST the same consideration.

On July 24th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, Yashmak said:

Yes it is. It isn’t a fish, or a frog, or a cat.
It’s a Bald Eagle. Granted, it’s developing, but it’s genetic make up is no different from a full-grown Bald Eagle.
- englishqueen

No, you said it BECOMES a bald eagle, indicating it’s not one yet.
You’re right though. It’s not a fish, frog, or cat. It’s an egg.

It’s a FERTILIZED egg. Fertilizing an egg is a deliberate act. Having sex is a deliberate act wherein the ultimate consequence (depite all precautions) is the fetilization of an egg.
Once fertilized, barring complications, an egg will develop for about 20 years, then survive for decades more. Some of those initial years will require various degrees of external aid in order to survive.
At what point does it go from being a fertilized egg (subject to being killed without legal consequences) to a human being (endowed by it’s creator with certain inalienable rights, specifically, life); when it’s ready to go to college?

On July 24th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, abstractmind said:
The example of eating meat, however, is cold blooded to members of PETA. Persons of certain eastern philosophies believe killing anything on purpose, including ants, is wrong. It all depends on the view of the person involved. But those things pale, methinks, against the backdrop of detroying life when its the case of human beings.

True; some on the pro-abortion side do not value a human life as greater than any animal.

On July 24th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, birdlady79 said:
In my opinion, this issue is so passionate for many reasons, one of which is as elementary as control of another.
The Deacon sitting next to you in church – his daughter will have an abortion (legally) today, then he’ll be preaching against it tomorrow. This issue brings about so much hypocrisy, it nauseates me. As for me, it is NONE of my business what someone else chooses.

What nauseates me is people who think that everyone opposed to abortion came to that position becuase of religion. I went from being pro-abortion, immoral, and liberal to being pro-life, immoral, and liberal. Shedding the immoral and liberal parts came later.

On July 24th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, birdlady79 said:
I personally abhor abortion; however, it is not my business what another woman, under other circumstances, might choose.

I had asked about an hour earlier…

On July 24th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, KaosKlerik said:
How is,
“Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one.”
morally different from,
“Don’t like slavery? Don’t own one.”?

If I assume you personally abhor slavery, then I guess you don’t see a difference.

On July 24th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, HDFOB said:
Single parents w/o money ought to have a legal obligation to give their children up for adoption.

Legal obligation? You think the government should be allowed to take away their kids if they are unwed and poor?

On July 24th, 2008 at 11:35 am, Weary Citizen said:
Contraception IS the main focus of their business. They do however realize many are too irrespnsible to take advantage of it. So they also give abortion as another option along with adoption.

Our problem is abortion AS birth control.

On July 24th, 2008 at 11:50 am, RetFireman said:
You know…if these SOB’s could, I truly believe they would start performing “Retro-abortions” in order to rid the world of those pesky children that get in their way. I just plain think there is something almost evil about a person that does not like children, and would want to snuff out their lives before they even start.

The SOB’s already are.

Seriously, hellboy 2 is ok…but i’ve been back to see Batman twice! It’s seriously that good (but i’m biased and REALLY and a nerd)

I’d recommend seeing batman, if nothing else for the stellar performance ledger put there…incredibly well done.

I saw the first AVP..for what it was, it wasnt bad, but i could tell the ones after it were just on name of the movie alone, and didnt bother seeing them.

anyway, leaving here in 10 minutes.

And NH…i guess its a good thing i’m a productive member of society with FOUR kids, because you’d have to hunt me down.

And i promise, i wouldnt go down easily

Oh man, yah I totally agree there ref. Aliens.

After the 2nd one they just went downhill.

I had high hopes for the reboots with Predator. The Alien / Predator crossover happened I think with a Comic book, then a scene in one of the Predator movies where an Alien skull is seen as a trophy in the Predator spaceship, and then the video game (IIRC, in that order).

They really had a chance to tie two classics together and make a great movie. Instead, they made some cheesy plot with a bunch of special effects and plainly just tried to capitalize on the success of the video game.

Truly, a disappointment; I didn’t even see AVP 2 and probably won’t unless I am bored one day and I decide to watch it on On Demand.

#221

To me, it seems like “Batman” has been rebooted one too many times.

I agree it has been attempted one too many times, but I like the more realistic feel of the newer ones. To me it’s kind of like the aliens movie series but in reverse. I think they should have stopped after the second one where the Marines go in to the planet where the original alien ship was found and crashed. Then they should have waited 20 years to revive it with a fresh story line with the same alien badguys but instead they kept pushing it and pushing it and merging it too fast with Predator and it has lost its keeping-you-on-edge factor and interesting storylines in my opinion.

To me, it seems like “Batman” has been rebooted one too many times.

I remember watching the orignal series as a kid. It was campy and the modern reboots are kinda kewl in that they aren’t campy. Still, it seems like it’s just been redone one too many times, I can’t even keep track anymore.

To be honest, I think I am more interested in the dinner part of “dinner and a movie.” I’ll probably just defer the movie choice to the wife as long as I get to choose the resturant.

#219

Wife and I are planning on dinner and a movie tonight. I heard mixed reviews about “The Dark Knight.” I am leaning toward “Hellboy 2″ or “Get Smart.”

#217

But perhaps, another time
good weekend all!

Later Abstract, I don’t have much longer myself until it’s time for a cheeseburger and some Batman at the theatres.