Next stop, Germany: Ich bin ein beginner!
Germany awaits The One. After getting heckled at the Western Wall, a fact you will be hard pressed to find reported in the American media, Barack Obama has arrived in Germany.
Wonderful Tennyson Hayes has once again produced a special Obama poster to commemorate the occasion:
The Citizen of the World is ready for his photo-op:
“Barack Obama arrived in Germany Thursday morning to much fanfare, as local television stations aired live coverage and fans gathered in the streets for a glimpse at the U.S. Democratic presidential candidate who will be delivering a much anticipated speech here later today.
Obama said the speech, which is to address transatlantic relations, isn’t comparable to famous ones in Berlin by Presidents Kennedy and Reagan because “they were presidents. I am a citizen. But obviously Berlin is representative of the extraordinary success of the post-World War II effort to bring the continent together and to bring the West together and then later to bring the East and the West together. So I think it’s a natural place.”
Yeah, never mind all that Nazi symbolism and stuff…
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Regulus #177:
Wow. Spot-on.
Obama’s comment about racism and discrimination today must have hit the Germans hard, given their treatment of the Turks living there. And if it didn’t, it should have.
It’s unbelievable that the countries that are so willing to suppress and limit their minority populations are the first to tell us that we need to elect Obama.
Europe isn’t perfect. It’s time that Americans stop living la vie en rose by pretending that it is.
May this be branded on Obama’s backside forever….. “Quam se ipse amans – sine rivali”
or better yet his forehead.
Bitter and cling to their guns and Bibles ring a bell?
Not that the great Uuuhbama respects the Constitution or anything. Before his half-hearted flip-flop of late he actually had the gall to say the D.C. gun ban was Constitutional. Wow, just wow. Did he jump up to defend and call out for the illegal gun bans in D.C. NYC, SF, and Chicago after the Supreme Court ruling stating the obvious that has been in the Constitution since it was drafted?
/crickets
That’s one down, how long till the others on your list follow suit
Proof? Or are you basing your information on a skewed poll from the Military Times?
This isn’t what I’m hearing from many in the military. This isn’t what my husband is hearing at work. He’s not hearing it from a lot of the enlisted or the commissioned officers. Many in the military are a very skeptical crowd.
SWISH! SHORT AND SWEET. STANDING O.
emjem,
First, I don’t think anyone has any delusions of convincing you to vote for Obama. And do you know why? I’ll bet that first and foremost you pretty much fundamentally disagree with the Democratic platform.
So then, why is is so hard for you to believe that Democrats (and many independents) support Obama because he is the Democratic nomi-friggin-nee and therefore has policy positions that most closely mirror mine or yours?
Or are you just curious as to why we chose Obama over Hillary?
Mistress Justice, you are talking about Muslims, right? They meet all your criteria above. . .and who is their savior? Obama does have Hitler-like adoration from the weak-minded masses. No one can miss it.
alaskangrizzly #202:
Don’t be silly. The bitter clinger comment doesn’t count because white people make up the majority and should therefore be blamed for EVERYTHING. Because it’s all their fault.
I love the spin that he is somehow faltering. Look at this newly released gallup poll where, since June Obama has improved his numbers with in Blue, Purple and Red states since June.
The daily tracking polls are meaningless, but if we are going to cite them, why was McCain, when given a 4 month head start on beginning the GE and watching Obama have to go through the grinder in her fight with Clinton, unable to pull ahead of Obama at any point?
I’m no expert but it sounds a lot like black liberation theology also.
Because you like empty suits who promise hope and change that has less experience than 99% of his political peers?
I was a military brat under Carter, Reagan, GW I, and partially under Clinton before joining the military myself under Clinton as President. I hear the same ramblings from my military friends about Obama that I did about Clinton and Carter… and that is not good news for the military.
You are a little confused. Obama’s comment was a little elitest and condescending, but there was no blame going on. Obama was poorly explaining a certain type of discontent, not blaming anyone for our country’s problems. You know better. Do you really wanna compare the San Fran speech to Hitler blaming Germany’s military and financial woes on JEWS??? Really?
Would you like a mulligan?
emjem,
I am basing it off of figures for donations to political campaigns, which is at least something other than anecdote. I am also not saying that Obama has the support majority of those in the military.
I will try to find the article and link to it. But I am absolutely certain those were the top two.
Chaps:
Where is your proof? How many in the military do you actually think will vote for Obummer? Not the civilian population but the military.
I’m not very surprised about why people would vote for either Dem candidate. When you treat your military like a social thought experiment, then military members learn pretty quickly who reallys supports them and who doesn’t. And I’m not talking about basketball, phot-op pictures at a military base in Kuwait.
True military leadership takes more than “paying a visit.” It’s not hard to believe at all that there will be independents who will vote for Obummer. You don’t need to convince me, you need to convince the 34% of independents who remain skeptical of either candidate.
Because we don’t buy hyped up propoganda. And quite frankly after 8 years of abuse from liberals, I probably would have a hard time voting for anyone who is a democrat. I am sick of liberals looking down on anyone who doesn’t fit thier world view as stupid, or bigoted in some way. You side has EARNED my distain. I sure didn’t feel this way about democrats 8 years ago.
Only a few people in America are socialist. Socialism is NOT the American way. Personal freedom is the American way. We fought a revolution to excape opression and to promote freedom and liberty, NOT socialism. NO American would support the democratic platform. Only a few people who live here would.
From another blogger (scroll to Obama in Berlin):
sonofdy said (#199):
I think they have. They bought and listened to every word of Reverend Wright’s hundreds of hours of DVD sermons. The twenty objectionable seconds were looping on Fox for a month. They’ve examined his birth certificate to the micron.
LGM, Why do you support a person who believes in black liberation theology?
A little? Heh, complaining to some rich elitist Democrats in SF in a city that defies the Constitution on so many levels about people who actually stand up for what this country was founded on is a little elitist and condescending? Try flat out traitorous and Constitution shredding. What is his stance since the Supreme Court ruling again that you so deftly ignored? Why is isn’t he taking SF to court on their not following US laws on immigration and for violating the fundamental rights of its citizens in regards to firearms and instead sucking up to them for votes? Wasn’t he a “Constitutional lawyer”? What a joke.
Please provide the link. If you link to the Military Times I won’t be surprised.
Donation statistics do not represent overall support. People give to multiple campaigns as well. Many military members don’t donate to political campaigns, preferring to weigh their options.
Of course there will be military members who vote for Obummer. I won’t be surprised by this, since the military, like other sub groups of the population, contain weak-minded Obummer supporters. The military is just not convinced of Obummer’s leadership skills, that’s why he can only drum up the likes of Merrill McPeak.
Yup. You nailed it. Maybe because we thought Obama gave us the best chance of winning? As far as that goes, I don’t think we were too far off, seing as Obama seems to be holding Penn, Ohio and Mich, is taking Colorado and Iowa and is very competitive in Fla and Va. He will take at least one of those two. Not to mention New Mexico, Montana, Nevada and Missouri where he is running extremely competatively, if not leading.
But I also admit I really like his pretty words.
For as much hand wringing that goes on here about McCain, you all should really thank your lucky stars that your party lucked into nominating McCain this year. He is the ONLY candidate that is able to pull in enough independents that would otherwise comfortably be Obama’s to make this a competitive race.
“I know my country has not perfected itself.” Thanks for the kind words there, Barack. I think he forgot to add “but it’s a lot better than yours!”
He’s basically just apologizing to them on our behalf.
I think you people really need to take a long hard look at the definition of “traitorous” and step back from the ledge a bit.
emjem,
I do not recall where it was from, but I think AP. What is wrong with the Military times, btw?
And of course donations do not necessarily match overall support, but it does give a good indication of intensity of support.
Okay Alaskan, I’ll give you “a lot” over a “little”, if it will spur you to answer the rest of the post. How does the San Fran speech in anyway compare to Hitler’s views on the Jews? You brought it up, so what’s your explanation? #218 is a cute way to shift the focus, but we were on another issue. Again, would you like a mulligan, a takeback, a my god this Godwin’s Law blabbering is getting out of hand and unhinged?????
Panic time for Charpoutier and lgm and other liberals on this site:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390301,00.html
Barack Hussein Obama leads by only ONE point in the latest poll. Crash.
Let’s consider that Dukakis was leading by 20 points at this time. No wonder Democrats, like Susan Estrich, are extremely worried.
chapoutier: How about someone who actively seeks the defeat of a us army in the field in a time of war? Who you call that person a tratior? I would.
Actually, it’s a good point, Chris – it is based on fact.
200,000 Germans cheering President Bush is a fantasy, correct? Hypotheticals nichts machen.
This is related to the point I made earlier. For having started two World Wars Germans feel guilty but have learned the wrong lesson; they see no option but surrender. That way they believe they can relieve their guilt and somehow manange to survive. Real life does not work that way.
Cuba was just one day from being bombed – and invaded within a week – under orders from President Kennedy in 1962. If Kruschev had not backed down and removed the Russian nuclear missles from Cuba, a nuclear World War III would have very likely been the result.
Spot on. McCain actually has a shot of winning the damn thing due to his charm and ability to woo moderates/independents. Some still have hope that he’ll return to his maverick ways….giving two middle fingers to the ultra-right.
Romney and Huckabee would be getting their clocks cleaned right now.
Because he holds those that follow and believe in the inalienable rights endowed to us by our Creator in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution in contempt for everything we believe in and is with every breath and deed trying to exterminate those rights?
Not a tough one for those of us standing up for the Constitution that you still so deftly avoid answering questions on why Obama would be opposed to the Constitution when he was a “Constitutional lawyer”?
emjem,
Here is a link. Not the article I remember seeing, but actually this is probably more current.
I have no idea if the “Air Force Times” is okay in your book, but they did not do the study, just reported it.
And Kerry was leading at this time, and Gore was leading at this time, and Carter was leading. The Democrats ALWAYS lead early on because of the media bias and the fact that the people who will lean Republican are too busy living their lives to be engaged at this point, but as soon as there are debates and people become more engaged and see their choices, the more they find that they simply cannot stomach the Dem and appear out of nowhere to vote Republican. Polls at this stage mean next to nothing and are always biased in favor of the Democrat.
All the polls have shown a consistent tie – actual or statistical – for a long time, Gabe.
Of course, the key is how individual states will be adding up in the electoral vote.
AP, like the Military Times, believes in biased reporting. I’m well-acquainted with the Military Times, being that I’ve had the opportunity to read it, as a military spouse. The Military Times thinks nothing of promoting Obummer to the military without any concept of how he will lead.
I’m also quite familiar that many in the military don’t subscribe to it and they usually only use those who subscribe to it in their polling.
Intensity does not mean an assurance of victory. I’ve also noticed that many high profile folks (Hollywood A-listers and corporate bigwigs) are supporting both candidates. Is that a signal of intensity?
What do you mean? We won in Iraq! McCain said so himself! He was very clear. He said “not that we are winning but that we have won.”
chapoutier: The air force times and the army times are run by the same people however from the article the military supports the gop at a rate 0f 62% which is down but still a win in the gop side which is probably why the dnc will not help millitary vote more easily.
Purplepeep – Let’s also not forget the Bay of Pigs fiasco brought about by Kennedy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_pigs
And didn’t something in Vietnam also start up under the revered JFK? I think I remember something about that.
Heh, you mean like my 25 dollar donation to Bill yesterday that doesn’t require reporting on whom you work for and how much you gave?
mistressjustice #227:
If Omniscient, Omnipotent Obama can’t even tell where Iraq would be today if they’d adopted his “plan,” how can you possibly claim to know how any other Republican candidate would be doing if they had been the nominee?
(I’m with you on Huckabee, though. Don’t get me started about Huckabee…)
You totaly avoided the question.
Which would include most of the enlisted who can’t afford $200 plus to give to ANYONE.
emjem,
It was a nonprofit that did the survey based on FEC filings, you know how you have to put your profession. So regardless, it is pretty hard to make up those numbers or skew them one way or the other.
And of course intensity does not assure victory, but all other things being equal I would rather have an enthusiastic base behind me than an unenthusiastic one, which by all indications, including this board’s lukewarm (at best) support of McCain is what he is facing.
On July 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm, alaskangrizzly said:
How does the San Fran speech in anyway compare to Hitler’s views on the Jews?
Check Please.
I reject the premise of your question. You might as well ask me, “Why does John “Maverick” McCain plan to turn American on to Communsism as a brain-washed Manchurian Candidate?” “Why did George Bush do lines of coke on the floor of the Lincoln bedroom?”
It’s all silly adn off-base.
Only required if the donation is over 200 dollars.
OBama wants change allright…he wants to abolish the USA and become King of the entire world…Listen to his speech…walls coming down….joining everybody together…This guy thinks he is either Jesus or Hitler…..
I think with his proposed ‘security force’ you can figure out which one he is…….
Okay…so the military brass are giving more to Obama?
You want to concede that point?
Look. I fully admit that this is a far from perfect rubric with which to gauge overall support. My only point was to dissuade the notion that somehow those in the military are lockstep anti-Obama.
Another odd comment by Barack Hussein Obama that prove that he should be anywhere but in the White House:
Is Barack Hussein Obama saying that he does NOT support the wall Israel put up, preventing Muslim terrorists from suicide bombs?
Is Barack Hussein Obama saying that the Berlin Wall was a wall between “allies?” The Soviet Union and America were “allies?” Should they have been?
Should Muslims and Jews BE allies?
Considering that France, Germany, and Italy are governed by conservatives, what “walls” currently are dividing us?
How does he envision breaking down the “wall” between those who love freedom and democracy (Americans and Israelis) and those that don’t (Muslims)? Why is this “wall” a bad thing?
Forget ANY comparison between Jimmy Carter and Barack Hussein Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is exponentially more clueless than even Carter was as president.
sonofdy,
I do not consider withdrawing from Iraq as the same as actively seeking the defeat of a us army, in any case, so I reject the premise of your question.
Was Bush Sr. a traitor because we pulled our troops out of Iraq in the first Gulf War?
It’s really just an opinion. I could be wrong. I do believe that the country has polled to be leaning more democratic. You could google head to head matchups of Obama v. Romney, and see the results.
Again, I’m just giving an opinion here, and I could be wrong. There’s no way to ever no.
No, what he is saying is that hopefully, someday, such a wall will not be necessary.
Chaps, again, you’re being slightly deceptive in your use of “donations” equaling enthusiasm. The study only counted donations of $200 and up. Here’s the breakdown that also needs to be considered from the study:
So you see, Republicans are still favored by the military. There are disaffected members of the military who will flock to the anti-war candidates. There is also a significant, libertarian group in the military community who find Ron Paul appealing.
As to the Air Force Times, they’ve done their own deceptive polling about donations and even the GWOT. They only poll subscribers, not the entire military population. I’m also not surprised about the Air Force Times reporting this study because they’re pretty biased in their news reporting to begin with… that’s why many military members don’t even read them, or their other counterparts, any more.
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= ever know.
too many typos, sorry.
I’m heading home. “Have a nice day” to all.
Another thing: These “walls” no longer stand. Chirac is gone, Schroeder is gone. France, Germany, and Italy woke up and elected conservatives.
If Barack Hussein Obama wants no “walls” between America and France, Germany, and Italy, isn’t he saying that McCain should be elected?
That is what sounds like to me. After all, if we elect Marxist Barack Hussein Obama, we will instantly put up a “wall” between America and the conservative leaders of our “old allies” France, Germany, and Italy.
Or does he only want to break down “walls” with our enemies?
Funny, Michelle! If Obama affects a Massachusetts accent, I’ll fall out of my chair!
emjem,
Not disagreeing with anything in the post, but did you not find the last paragraph you quoted pretty interesting? 62% down from 75%?
That doesn’t frighten you?
sonofdy,
I do not consider withdrawing from Iraq as the same as actively seeking the defeat of a us army,
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What else do you call it when an army leaves the field of battle in the hands of the enemy?
in any case, so I reject the premise of your question.
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I am not suprised.
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Was Bush Sr. a traitor because we pulled our troops out of Iraq in the first Gulf War?
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We left after the enemy was beaten. We are about 95% of the way there now in iraq.
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Pretty naive, isn’t he, Charpoutier?
First, it’s perfectly reasonable to ask if you’ve been to Germany. Upon what, precisely, are you basing your claim of pervasive German ressentiment? Your interpretation of German love of Obama depends on their actual being this sense of ressentiment; without some reason to believe that that is the source of their antipathy towards Americans for the last 8 years, everything that you’re saying is nonsense.
If there were evidence of massive ressentiment, then your analysis would be reasonable and probably pretty correct. But there isn’t. The 5 parties that have seats in the Bundestag are all more-or-less pacifist. Even in a multi-party system, pan-Germanist, neo-Prussianists, neo-Nazis, etc. can’t get even one seat. They have proportional voting. Libertarians have more seats than anyone who would want to invade or who would stand to gain another country. Show me some evidence of resentment.
If the enemy was beaten why did we end up back there a decade later?
Maybe, but I would rather have someone who is naive and falls short of their goals than someone who dismisses any hope for improvement at the outset and lets an unacceptable status quo fester.
Because the UN couldn’t do its damn job. If it had we would have been done with this by 1995 and this war would have been avoided.
The percentage decrease is pretty predictable, given that there’s only a limited number of the American population even involved in the GWOT or the Iraq War. We also have many folks involved in both the Reserves and the Guard who aren’t very happy at multiple deployments. Nobody is exactly enthusiastic about them.
I’m not frightened at all by the change, since it shows the wear and tear of a two front war, a hostile media, and an apathetic American public. I find it interesting that your attention is so fixed on that change. What does it prove?
Wars have impact, especially on the military and their families. We’re showing the wear and tear. Are American civilans? Not so much.
Let me get this straight. He said this in Berlin but not in Iraq?
Should he win in November, I think it would be a good idea for Americans to begin the process the next day. That doesn’t mean Congress, just your average Jane/Jone Does getting the ball rolling. It’s a given that an Obama presidency will give many a rise to occasions of impeachment, so getting the paperwork started on the grassroots level would make sense – if nothing else as a time saver. Of course, unless his handlers saddle him with someone less bad as a successor, that paperwork should also include others.
Right, it is predictable. But would you call these service members who support(ed) anti-war candidates all of the vicious names that are otherwise thrown out to Obama supporters on this board?
Scurrilous Traitors Unite? I plan to give a President (God help us) Obama about as much deference and respect as the Leftist gave President Bush. I hope I was raised better than to use the language some of these Leftist used, but I have my moments. I know I would not use the word “Kill, Shoot, or Hang” the way the Leftist have.
War? We saw the Great Draw Down of our military under Billy Boy Clinton; I imagine Comrade Obama would do worse. Comrade, President, the Anointed one, take your pick, has given me every reason to believe, indeed KNOW, he plans to strip up of almost all our Rights and lower us to the level of the Europeans. I don’t plan to go there.
Scurrilous Traitor? When in the course of Human Events is becomes necessary and such. Possibly. It it up to Obama and Congress, but I will not surrender my Natural Rights as a free man, not even for chapoutier, mamaObama’s kids or the Touch Feely drones.
Traitor? Only if you lose.
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JRoberts, I’ve lived in Germany for four years during the 1980′s. Do you forget all the resentment at that time towards Reagan there? Hmmm, and we hadn’t even attacked Iraq yet? What could have been the cause? Resentment, perhaps?
I still remember skiing in Garmisch around Christmas 2001 with my brother and sister and we were standing next to an old German couple. They were very nice, but they asked “Do you like Bush?” hoping we would say no. We all said, “We like him very much; we think he is doing a great job.” They were aghast.
My point is: It is specious to argue that somehow President Bush has soured opinion of our country. They never like Republicans because they don’t then feel superior. They want us to have weak leaders: Democrats.
They were upset that we invaded Afghanistan. They were as anti-American back in the 1980′s. President Bush’s last 7 and a half years did nothing to INCREASE anti-Americanism, just as invading Afghanistan and Iraq did nothing to increase Muslims’ hatred towards America any more than they already hated us, as demonstrated by 9/11 and their wild cheering.
ArizonaNeanderthal: Guess what side I would be on?
You are quite ignorant of history – recent and remote.
We could not hold the coalition together in order to take Baghdad. Remember, we are infidels fighting Muslims, with Muslim (Saudi Arabia) “support”. The goal was to liberate Kuwait, not invade Baghdad. We did not have the support of Europe either. I recall that Germany refused to permit our wounded soldiers to land on their soil for treatment during that war – such staunch allies they turned out to be /sarc.
Secondly, your naive statement about “walls” and “hoping” that they would no longer be needed demonstrates wishful thinking, and an ignorance of the history of the Middle East.
Tell me something, Mr. Lawyer-Pharisee, do you have locks on your doors? Do you have walls in your home? Why is that?
When you are willing to remove all locks on your doors, and take down all walls that divide your home, then we can talk about taking down the “walls” that separate countries.
Fool.
I realize I am preaching to the choir here but this guy is scary. He MUST NOT become President of the United States of America.
If the enemy was beaten why did we end up back there a decade later?
Of course, it can be argued that the US made the very bad mistake of letting a den of thieves, crooks and incompetents (the UN) even near the situation. Take Hans Blix (please!) for example, even Slate looked at this idiot sleezeball and asked:
Incompetent bureaucrat or cowardly diplomat?
One more thing, JRoberts:
People forget the difference between being “liked” and being “respected.”
Good teachers know the difference. You always have a few obnoxious brats in the classroom. The strict teachers curb their behavior and punish it with consequences. Bad teachers coddle them, with disastrous results for the classroom as a whole. The strict teacher is “respected” but may not be “liked.” The easy teacher is “liked” but not “respected.”
Those wildly cheering on Obama the Messiah are like obnoxious kids in the classroom, rebelling against the grown-up: President Bush. They want a kid, Obama, running things so that they can “like” America again. But they sure as hell won’t respect us.
I lived in Korea from 1997-2002. We were NOT respected around the world during the Clinton presidency, and Europe loved it. They love feeling superior.
With President Bush, we have been respected. That is a lot better than being “liked” by a bunch of Nazis cheering on Obama.
Yeah you are right. We did have a limited, attainable objective. Going after Saddam would have been a disaster. I guess this is why Cheney said this in ’92:
Prescience I tell ya.
Purplepeep,
I generally dig your posts, even when disagreeing. However, #263 didn’t make any since to me. If it was meant as tongue-n-cheek, or as a joke, sorry it went over my head.
You know how impeachment works right? Again, sorry if I’m just being a little “lost”.
since = sense, dammit, I’m taking a nap.
The only problem with your analogy, Gabe, is that Obama is more like the substitute teacher who has no idea of what he’s doing and so the obnoxious kids know they can get away with anything.
What, exactly, is your point? Some people don’t have the nerve to stick wars out. They’re not doing their buddies any favors with that kind of attitude. You don’t just get out of wars ’cause they’re unpopular or tough. If that were the case then I guess we would never have been in WWII.
I would call these members deluded or naive. They signed up for the very thing they now oppose. If that’s not a contradiction, I don’t know what is.
It’s also interesting that we have members serving who oppose the war, while others took a stand against it, and were discharged. What makes some stay and some go? You don’t always get the military at peace time that you want. That’s what people forget when they enlist or become officers.
If you’re going to support someone like Obummer who’s never even served in the military, then you’re only kicking yourself. At least with Paul, he was in the military. I can respect that, even if he learned nothing from his service except a one-dimensional view of what the military “should” be.
My husband has and currently works with people who are liberal (mostly civilian). They coexist, but the atmosphere is hostile, and these people make my husband’s job more difficult. They don’t always put politics aside which is a given in the military world. If politics weren’t put aside, then the military would never get anything done.
That is so true! That is why they are wildly cheering him (Muslim/Nazis/communists) and hoping he becomes the “leader” of America. It will be a party for Iran, North Korea, Iraq, the Palestinians, and all our enemies for the next four years.
A crowd of 200,000 in Berlin…countdown to the right arguing that they were only there to see a free concert by The Decemberists in 3…2…1…oops there was no free concert this time.
Did you support Bush or Kerry in 2004?
McCain or Bush in 2000?
Obviously military service can bring a component of experience and point of view that is useful, but clearly there are other factors that go into the mix, right?
That is unfortunate, to be sure. But does the hostility work both ways? Does your husband treat them differently because he knows them to be anti-war/liberal/whatever?
For example, if a new guy came on this board and said “Hey! I want to join in the discussion and oh, by the way, I am a liberal” the amount of hostility thrown his way by some here would (is) pretty intense.
If Obama is elected, the chances of a nuke going off in the world somewhere greatly increases. The idiot wants to do away with ALL our nukes. ALL of them. If I were an enemy of the usa I would simply claim to be disarmed and when obama does disarm us, THATS when I would use the nukes I had hidden. He wants to slow down new weapons development giving our enemies a chance to catch up and costing more lives in the next war where ever that is.
Did you support Bush or Kerry in 2004? Bush.
McCain or Bush in 2000? McCain
@Gabe: You should really stop pretending that Germany is full of Nazis. Since the end of WWII, no political party that even remotely resembles the Nazi party has been able to score even one half of one percent in any national election. Believe me, you are just fooling yourself. It makes as much sense as believing that the US is full of Native Americans, living in tents and hunting Bisons.
Shhhh…..don’t give our enemies any good ideas!
Because I am sure that NO ONE has given any thought to actually monitoring the disarmament process. We were totally just gonna take their word.
ChrisFromGermany :
Isn’t the nazi party illegal in germany?
There are probably more Neo-Nazi’s living in the U.S. than in Germany…and I’m guessing the vote Republican.
Oh like they are doing with Iran??? Please. Its not that hard to get arround un monitoring.
sarc/on
By the way, Germans also love David Hasselhoff.
They have such good judgment of character, those Germans. Substantive and discerning people, too. They’ve never been swept away by a forceful, impassioned leader feeding them a pack of lies. If the Germans like him, what more is there to say?
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I doubt they vote.
Why not Kerry? At least he had real military experience under his belt. Not just some National Guard duty that he never even showed up for.
Oh wait…I’ll bet the reason was that you don’t pick your prez based solely on their military service or lack thereof.
So what was your point with this:
Did you support Bush or Kerry in 2004? Bush.
Why not Kerry? At least he had real military experience under his belt. Not just some National Guard duty that he never even showed up for.
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Bush service the minimum required. Kerry destroyed any value from his very short veitnam time by stabbing those still in the field in the back when he returned from vietnam.
Oh wait…I’ll bet the reason was that you don’t pick your prez based solely on their military service or lack thereof.
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I never have, but it helps if you plan to be president. How is Obama going to relate to the military? answer, badly.
So what was your point with this:
If you’re going to support someone like Obummer who’s never even served in the military, then you’re only kicking yourself.
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I didn’t write that.
If I were to vote on those two just on their military records I would still go for Bush. At least Bush didn’t come home and bash his fellow troops and make up complete lies that took 30 years of constant fighting for truth to expose him for his lies. I see no one has claimed the million dollar reward for any evidence disproving the swiftboat vets
claimstruths about John Kerry’s militaryservicedisgrace to the uniform he pretended to wear with honor.My apologies re: the last quote. You answered the question I posed to emjem, which led to the confusion.
And the French think Jerry Lewis is a comic genius.
Kinda makes you wonder why we’ve repeatedly saved these countries from both themselves and one aother, doesn’t it?
#278, that’s not true:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-lures-massive-german-crowd-with.html#links
It’s stuff like this that makes me wonder if McCain even wants to win.
Hey! Help needed!!
I don’t have photoshop or any of those fancy tools, and I have an idea for a Obamessiah poster…
I think a fitting image/message would be somehow combining him with the images from “Bewitched,” that old T.V. show…
Because, that is what he is doing, isn’t it? He is bewitching everyone, and let’s face it, I think he and his fans believe he can make everything better by wiggling his nose…or maybe it would be his ears..
Bad girl! No making fun of his ears.
Germans also love David Hasselhoff
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An argument for a full scale nuclear strike on germany!!!
Just kidding
I actualy admire the germans, besides the hitler time, they have been a remarkable group of people!!!