The only place Democrats want to drill

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 25, 2008 08:58 AM

Scroll down for updates…Senate GOP holds the line on energy…



Not in ANWR.

Not offshore.

Where?

Yep: Your wallet.

Gotta get me one of those bumper stickers.

Meantime, another failure from the Nancy Pelosi and the 14 percenters:

The House of Representatives on Thursday failed to pass legislation intended to cool off gasoline prices by requiring the government to sell 70 million barrels of light sweet crude oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, the national stockpile.

Democrats had pushed the legislation, hoping to lower surging oil prices by putting more of the reserve’s light sweet crude, sought by refiners, on the market. Sweet crude is desirable because it has less sulphur and is more easily refined into gasoline, diesel fuel and other petroleum products.

The White House had threatened to veto the measure, arguing that Congress should work toward increasing domestic supply rather than tap into a strategic reserve.

Although the House voted 268 to 157 in favor of the legislation, the measure fell short of obtaining the two-thirds “yes” vote that is required when the chamber suspends its rules to act quickly on a bill.

Michael Franc at Heritage says public pressure is working:

For the first time in a while, House Republicans are on the offense on an issue of national importance: removing obstacles to the production of more American energy.

House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey abruptly shut down his committee indefinitely rather than allow Republicans to offer an amendment to open more areas to drilling for new sources of oil and natural gas. Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid concur. According to the New York Times, she and Reid “appear intent on holding the line against calls to approve drilling in areas now off limits.”

Obey fears that the amendment, by drilling advocate Rep. John Peterson (R., Penn.), would win. As many as eight of the committee’s Democrats have supported similar amendments in the past, while only a couple of the committee’s Republicans (who represent well-heeled suburban districts) have stood with the environmental lobby.

Democratic defections, moreover, likely would spread beyond the Appropriations Committee. A careful analysis of previous floor votes on a wide array of energy production issues indicates that as many as 40 House Democrats would join the overwhelming majority of House Republicans in support of an agenda to increase American energy production dramatically…

…Quietly, in recent weeks House Republican leaders have adopted precisely this strategy. Rank-and-file Republicans have been filing one discharge petition per week (five thus far), demanding floor action on a far-reaching energy agenda. The agenda includes bills to construct new oil refineries; drill for oil and natural gas offshore as well as on a tiny portion of the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge; repeal regulations that needlessly increase the price of gasoline; produce energy from alternative sources such as oil shale, tar sands and coal-to-liquid; and explore the next generation of oil and natural gas fields in deep-sea regions far off our coasts.

With little media coverage, and lacking the visible support of business groups, conservative organizations or talk radio, these petitions have nevertheless garnered as many as 153 signatures, with one Democrat — Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D., Hawaii) — even risking the wrath of his leadership by signing on.

An informal head count suggests there are an additional 75 to 100 House members, including those 40 Democrats, who, based on their previous support for proposals to increase American energy production, could be open to signing these petitions, thereby pushing the number of signatures over the required 218.

Should the conservative media, the conservative movement, and, yes, the president (his soapbox still carries weight) catch on to this strategy, pressure would increase on pro-energy lawmakers to sign on. Voters would learn that the Speaker’s word isn’t final. And we just might get a real debate on the merits of producing more American energy.

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Ed Morrissey checks out the latest WSJ poll on energy and points to WaPo taking on do-nothing Pelosi over her drilling intransigence.

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  1. #386140
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:01 am, sausage said:

    “The polls are unequivocal – the American people are ready for an energy policy that encourages more domestic oil production in addition to focusing on conservation, energy efficiency and developing alternative energy technologies

    From the Tennessee Republican Party… how times have changed. Good one chaps.

  2. #386142
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:05 am, twiggman said:

    San Fran Nan will not even allow a vote…How can that be possible? How many people elected this idiot,12,000 and now she stands in the way of 300,million…

  3. #386145
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:09 am, twiggman said:

    Oh, wait I get her logic…let’s release oil from our emergency stash because more oil will bring down the price…but let’s not drill for more oil …HMMMMM yea right….I get it…..

  4. #386146
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:09 am, ACHefty said:

    Let’s see, now. We “can’t drill our way out” with seven hundred Billion barrels, but suddenly prices drop with seventy million barrels gifted down to us from a feel-good, do-nothing Congress?

    Jerks! Pompous, arrogant, lazy, self-centered, feel-good Jerks!

  5. #386147
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:11 am, backwoods conservative said:

    At a time when tensions with Iran are increasing, the Democrats want to reduce our strategic reserve, while opposing anything that would increase our domestic production. Stupidity personified.

  6. #386148
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:12 am, twiggman said:

    And besides releasing that oil under these circumstances is illegal…. IDIOT!!!!

  7. #386149
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:15 am, meatpieandtatters said:

    Serve your country: fire a politician; preferably a liberal.

  8. #386150
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:15 am, abstractmind said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:01 am, sausage said:

    I’ve been here for several years in Tennessee. This has been their stance for a while…this isnt something that rolled off the press yesterday, Sausage. If nothing else, its been there stance ever since i’ve been here.

    You forgot to highlight the important part liberals dont like though:

    energy policy that encourages more domestic oil production

    Times really havent changed. Some of us want alternative energy sources that work better for our wallets and are cleaner in regards to environmental impact. But I’m not willing to pursue those endeavors just because some liberal fatcat tells me to, or because ManBearPig tells me to (and wants me to buy carbon offsets that his company sells…). Being a good custodian of our environment is one thing, but being clueless over this sort of thing is quite another.

    but in understanding that, we also understand we need to have access to AND use the resources we have at hand. Alternative energy is nice, but..its not going to replace other things overnight. And until it becomes more abundant in all its forms, we’re stuck using oil. love it or hate it, but we need to increase the amount we have, domestically. Using our own resources just makes good sense.

  9. #386153
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:17 am, mytake said:

    Can you call Nancy Pelosi a twit on this site?

  10. #386154
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:18 am, tarpon said:

    I wonder what would happen if we had a real candidate?

  11. #386155
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:18 am, mytake said:

    Guess so.

  12. #386157
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:21 am, Ron Rockstar said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:17 am, mytake said:
    Can you call Nancy Pelosi a twit on this site?

    Only if you want to insult twits.

  13. #386158
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:21 am, ajmontana said:

    Nancy Pelosi would make the perfect wife for Dr, Evil.

  14. #386159
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:22 am, sonofdy said:

    sausage, this is not a new policy. Drill now to cover the short to mid term and change to something else as quickly as possiable without destroying the economy. After all, we have over a billion cars in the usa so we are going to have to fuel those cars for decades yet. Despite Al Gores wet dreams.

  15. #386162
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:26 am, Craig said:

    …with one Democrat — Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D., Hawaii) — even risking the wrath of his leadership by signing on.

    A ‘pigs do fly’ moment I’m sure.

  16. #386167
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:31 am, sonofdy said:

    sausage, unless you are willing to pay to convert those billion plus cars to some other form of energy or replace them all. This is the point at which 99% of all liberals disapear. the 1% mutter something about not private cars…

  17. #386174
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:37 am, Mister P said:

    With little media coverage, and lacking the visible support of business groups, conservative organizations or talk radio, these petitions have nevertheless garnered as many as 153 signatures, with one Democrat — Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D., Hawaii) — even risking the wrath of his leadership by signing on.

    The old hippie, Neil has been getting an earfull from the Democratic faithfull in Hawaii. High oil prices are devastating the economy. These HOUSE LEADERS are going to get an earfull when they come home. Time for a massive defeat of the democratic members of the house.
    IT has become more and more OBVIOUS that they are to blame for our current situation.

  18. #386178
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:38 am, swmbo said:

    Sure wish Obarfarama would tell them it is okay to drill here, drill now, pay less. The democrats are not going to do anything to upset his applecart at this point.

    I also wish he would stop by his office in Illinois and read his mail, I know for a fact he has heard from his Illinois constituents saying Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less.

  19. #386180
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:38 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    /Pillosee mode on

    :blink…blinkity-blink…blink.blink.blink…

    “Neil Abercrombie”

    :blinkity-blink.blink.blink….blinkeroo

    “I got my”

    :blink.blinnk…blinkerooblinkityblinkblinkblink…

    “eye on you!!!

  20. #386182
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:39 am, Hannibal said:

    #13 …”we have over a billion cars in the usa”…

    Please, at least attempt to be in the ball park when you give us information. For 2006 the USA has approximately 251,000,000 passenger vehicles.

  21. #386185
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:43 am, Mister P said:

    I also wish he would stop by his office in Illinois and read his mail, I know for a fact he has heard from his Illinois constituents saying Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less.

    He should be fired for not doing his job. Same with McCain. We are too tolerant of our politicians.

  22. #386186
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:44 am, sonofdy said:

    hannibal, ok 251,000,000. My point still reamins the same.

  23. #386187
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:44 am, sonofdy said:

    reamins = remains.

  24. #386190
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:45 am, JohnnyD said:

    According to the New York Times, she and Reid “appear intent on holding the line against calls to approve drilling in areas now off limits.”

    I don’t get it. Either they have been bought and paid for by environuts or by OPEC. Don’t they understand that this policy ensures our dependance on foreign oil?

    And how much will replacing the oil from the SOR cost us taxpayers?

    I’ve not heard any questions of this type being asked of them, which doesn’t surprize me one bit.

    What losers! They deserve every one of the 14 persenters support!!

  25. #386191
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:46 am, geokstr said:

    I believe the democrats understand that we will have to drill, and soon. However, if they give in now, McCain and the Republicans win big over their reversal. So, they have made one of their usual cold-blooded political calculations. If they can just hold on until November 6, the voting public, in its infinite lack of wisdom, will blame the party in power for the high price of oil and Obama is a shoo-in. Then, very quickly thereafter, they can argue how they “feel the pain” of the average American and allow a limited amount of new drilling.

    Their nutroots will get over it soon enough, since their real goal – power – will have been achieved. By the next election, the oil will be flowing, the gas prices will be down, and they can claim all the credit for their tough decisions, spun as if made, of course, in face of violent opposition from the McBusHitlerites.

    And Chris Mathews will start having to wear a prophylactic on his leg.

  26. #386192
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:46 am, IndyRich said:

    Mytake #8…LOL. Reminds me of the “Rescue Me” episode about female slang terms…

    Hannibal #19…sonofdy was INCLUDING the number of vehicles that the Gore and the other limo-libs use in their convoys!! (just kidding…I was actually thinking along similar lines)

  27. #386199
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:49 am, JHSII said:

    This could be the ONLY thing that saves the Republican party this election…

  28. #386200
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:50 am, sonofdy said:

    indyrich, I may be quoting a figure like every gas and desiel burning engine, but I do remeber the 1 billion from some where. Can’t remember where right now but it doesn’t invalidate the rest.

  29. #386202
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:54 am, DBNinKY said:

    For the first time in a while, House Republicans are on the offense on an issue of national importance: removing obstacles to the production of more American energy.

    YES! I really do believe the Republicans can hold the line in this fall’s election – if not outright win back both Houses – by holding the Dems accountable on this issue.

  30. #386206
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:57 am, sambo said:

    sonofdy said:
    indyrich, I may be quoting a figure like every gas and desiel burning engine, but I do remeber the 1 billion from some where. Can’t remember where right now but it doesn’t invalidate the rest.

    That’s regerstered vehicles Sonofdy. Wonder if it includes the mail trucks, police cars, and military vehicles?

  31. #386210
    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:59 am, James Felix said:

    The House of Representatives on Thursday failed to pass legislation intended to cool off gasoline prices by requiring the government to sell 70 million barrels of light sweet crude oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, the national stockpile.

    That’s like dipping into your retirement account to pay this month’s Visa bill. That’s about the level of abject stupidity I’ve come to expect from Congress in general and Democrats in particular.

  32. #386215
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:02 am, Wade said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:05 am, twiggman said:
    San Fran Nan will not even allow a vote…How can that be possible? How many people elected this idiot,12,000 and now she stands in the way of 300,million…

    Hard to understand. We had something similar happen here in RI when it appeared a bill to make all employers use e-verify. One woman, Senator Theresa Piva-Weed would not allow it up for a vote.

  33. #386217
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:03 am, mchristian said:

    What I want to know is where the “won’t see a drop of oil for ten years even if they start now” mantra came from. I live in NM and work in oil & gas production. Perhaps it would take years to drill in ANWR or the OCS, but land based wells are drilled in a matter of days. Yes, all these activities are scheduled far in advance, but they go forward at a swift pace. At least they do if environmentalists or ranchers or even the governor of your state (potential VP nominee Bill Richardson) don’t stop the process.

  34. #386219
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:04 am, DBNinKY said:

    “…focusing on conservation, energy efficiency and developing alternative energy technologies, yet Democrats refuse… .”

    Conservation? Fine. As long as it’s non-coercive, i.e., no government dictates for me to drive less or buy hybrides, and there are no attempts to unduly guilt me into it by over-bearing pressure groups like the Sierra Club.

  35. #386220
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:04 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 9:59 am, James Felix said:

    That’s like dipping into your retirement account to pay this month’s Visa bill. That’s about the level of abject stupidity I’ve come to expect from Congress in general and Democrats in particular.

    Bingo.

  36. #386221
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:04 am, James Felix said:

    That’s regerstered vehicles Sonofdy. Wonder if it includes the mail trucks, police cars, and military vehicles?

    That 251 million number can’t include all vehicles. It’s just not possible that totaling all the privately owned cars, cop cars, ambulances, delivery trucks and governmental SUV’s you come out with less than one vehicle per citizen.

  37. #386222
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:06 am, Mohawk said:

    We are the only country in the world limiting our energy production.

    And we can say thanks to the idiots in the dymocrite party!

  38. #386224
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:07 am, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Obey shuts down his committee because he’s afraid his own party will submarine him?…. Wow talk about a species eating their young… this is getting fun!

  39. #386229
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:09 am, sonofdy said:

    250 million, 1 billion, 100 billion, it doesn’t matter, the point is who do the democrats think are going to convert all those vehicles to alternate fuel? Because a vast percentage of them can only just afford to fill them with gas let alone spend thousands on converting them to say CNG.

  40. #386235
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:12 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:04 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    Bingo.

    I’ll see your Bingo and raise you a craps!

  41. #386240
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:17 am, wighttrasch said:

    My wallet cannot stand much more drilling…

  42. #386241
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am, RedDog said:

    Price controls and wishful thinking. Pis*ing in the wind. This is the Democrat way. Get them out of here. The incompetence is overwhelming.

  43. #386245
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:24 am, swmbo said:

    Should the conservative media, the conservative movement, and, yes, the president (his soapbox still carries weight) catch on to this strategy, pressure would increase on pro-energy lawmakers to sign on. Voters would learn that the Speaker’s word isn’t final. And we just might get a real debate on the merits of producing more American energy.

    You mean, Nancy can’t just say “because I say so” and have the final word? OH WOW, come on conservatives pile on the pressure! We might still have a say in how things run.

  44. #386246
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:26 am, RedDog said:

    …Quietly, in recent weeks House Republican leaders have adopted precisely this strategy. Rank-and-file Republicans have been filing one discharge petition per week (five thus far), demanding floor action on a far-reaching energy agenda.

    You know, it seems this is the kind of environment Republicans are most comfortable in. Behind enemy lines guerilla war. When in power, they go into a drooling brain-dead coma. Dang it. I wish they would pull out all the stops.

  45. #386247
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:26 am, Trollman said:

    Seriously. This is (supposed to be) the Democrats’ year, and it is starting to get interesting.

    Let’s see, gas is quickly becoming the #1 issue, and Iraq has turned around.

    (pops some popcorn)

  46. #386250
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:29 am, sambo said:

    On Thursday, Reid told reporters he offered Republicans “separate amendments” as well on oil shale drilling and on OCS drilling, although a review of floor proceedings this week shows no such specific offer.

    Reporters tried to pin Reid down Thursday on the amendment issue.

    In the exchange, Reid told one reporter she should “watch the [Senate] floor more often. … You might learn something.”

    Another reporter explained she had watched the Senate proceedings and said it was not clear he was … offereing separate amendments, to which Reid asked the reporter if she “spoke English.”

    “Turn up your Miracle Ear,” Reid added.

  47. #386253
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:29 am, Hannibal said:

    #34 James Felix

    “…It’s just not possible…”

    I certainly was not trying to detract from the point of the posts but:

    251 million – 2 axle 4 tires
    6.6 million – 2 axle 6 tires
    2.1 million – truck combination
    6.6 million – motorcycles

    266.3 million total

    And yeah, it really doesn’t matter.

  48. #386255
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:32 am, sonofdy said:

    Hannibal, Perhaps my figure was the total produced in history? or the total including unregistered? What is your source?

  49. #386263
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:38 am, Dimsdale said:

    Just another instance of the Democrats sacrificing the security and economic well being of this country for the sake of an election.

    Given the polls, I suspect that this will truly and deservedly backfire on them.

    It is all nice and rosy to be a greenie when someone else has to pay the freight (see Gore), but when it hits your pocketbook, or job, or price of food, or, most importantly here in the Northeast, the price of heating oil, things become less theoretical and more practical. See Hawaii.

    This is the linchpin the Republicans can and should use to hammer the do nothing Dems and their enviroweenie overlords.

    An election can be won or lost on this issue. The Dems are counting on the liberal media to keep the lid on this story, but the internet (along with talk radio) will once again whack them upside the head.

  50. #386277
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:49 am, Dimsdale said:

    Reporters tried to pin Reid down Thursday on the amendment issue.

    In the exchange, Reid told one reporter she should “watch the [Senate] floor more often. … You might learn something.”

    Another reporter explained she had watched the Senate proceedings and said it was not clear he was … offereing separate amendments, to which Reid asked the reporter if she “spoke English.”

    “Turn up your Miracle Ear,” Reid added.

    Hmmm. Arrogant, condescending pr!ck comes to mind on reading that.

  51. #386278
    On July 25th, 2008 at 10:51 am, LC said:

    The decision in part by the Democratic leaders not to drill is merely an indication of their strong desire to “ween” the public off of all oil dependency. If they make us forget that we ABSOLUTELY need oil to run this economy, and fool those people into thinking we’re fresh out of oil, then they’ll be one step closer to imposing their rule of law – carbon credit and cap/trade.

    This has got to be the sneakiest, most undermining ruse I’ve ever seen Polisi and Reid take with the American taxpayers. I can’t wait to see them tossed out on their butts come next election. Let’s hope the people who live in those districts at least have enough sense to say “enough is a enough, we need someone new (better).”

  52. #386294
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:01 am, xler8bmw said:

    Pelosi and Reid are too worried about not lining their pockets from the environmental lobby that this should SPEAK octaves about the democratic party.

    Anyone that would vote for ANY democrat really needs to have that right of voting taken away from them!

  53. #386295
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:02 am, pueblo1032 said:

    The oil futures have been doing a lot of correcting since GWB removed the PRESIDENT’S ban on off-shore drilling. This AM it was around 123.00/brl.. With these corrections GAS should be around 3.50/gal by Labor Day. Probably 3.25/gal by election day. One guess as to who has the shortest memory on record at ELECTION TIME??? The VOTING PUBLIC that’s who…Anybody want to make book on the CHANCES most of these MORONS get re-elected??? 4,3,2,and 1, silence???

  54. #386301
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am, sambo said:

    pueblo1032 said:
    The oil futures have been doing a lot of correcting since GWB removed the PRESIDENT’S ban on off-shore drilling. This AM it was around 123.00/brl..

    use your imagination and just think what it would drop to if it were legal to drill…and then go even further out and imagine if we were actually drilling….

  55. #386303
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:06 am, swmbo said:

    I understand they have their Party Loyalty, but they have become rabid dogs on the subject of oil. Their arrogance boggles the mind. Insulting the media that kisses their butts is a joy to watch. Somebody throw water on them to speed up the meltdown.

  56. #386312
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am, madchef said:

    Harry Reid’s preventing the bill to come to the floor for a vote because he knows that it would pass. The will of the people be damned.
    Yet this hypocritical jacka$$ had the nerve to call Sen. Tom Coburn (OK. R) an “unprecedented obstructionist” yesterday for trying to block an omnibus earmark bill. S.3297 “the Advancing America’s Priorities Act” a bill so loaded with pork that it drips bacon fat.

    Harry and Nancy must go!!!!!

  57. #386325
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:23 am, swmbo said:

    Harry and Nancy must go!!!!!

    ‘Nuff said.

  58. #386330
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:26 am, Gabe said:

    Again, they LOVE higher prices because it causes you to use less. They don’t want to drill because prices will go down.

    Then they have the hubris to RAISE the gas tax because they are getting less tax revenue because the high prices due to lack of supply forces us to use less.

    It is a controlling thing that obnoxious people use to have power over others. Never mind that thousands of people are losing their jobs because of the high fuel prices and that offshore drilling would be a huge boost to the economy. The Democrats don’t care. These Democrats must be kicked out of office.

    Get that bumper sticker and Newt’s “Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less.” I just ordered the one above. This has to be a grassroots effort because the North Korean-style MSM is only going to push “alternative” energies.

  59. #386332
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:26 am, xler8bmw said:

    Pelosi and Reid both represent one of 18 states that allow recall of a senator.

    Those of you on this board that live in these two idiots states might want to look into a recall of tweedle dee and tweedle dum!

  60. #386333
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:27 am, pueblo1032 said:

    SAMBO @ 11:05AM; Agree 100%, and it would not take 10 years, as DEMS are wont to say. Not even 5 years, it would correct immediately. We need to be self supplying for our ENERGY needs. Keep alternatives on the front burner, but still DRILL HERE. We needed to do this 30 yrs ago, 20 yrs, and 10 yrs.

  61. #386348
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:34 am, swmbo said:

    Besides that, my wallet already leaks like a sieve.

  62. #386352
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:36 am, sonofdy said:

    Just bought 3 of the stickers. I have this liberal I know… ;-)

  63. #386373
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:50 am, lgm said:

    You want to drill in my back yard so you can have cheap gas. I say no! Suck it up.

  64. #386376
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:52 am, Blind_Mule said:
  65. #386377
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:53 am, RogersUmp said:

    The Democrats should be referred to as the REGRESSIVE party as they attempt to lower our standard of living and diminish our freedoms in general.

  66. #386378
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:53 am, xler8bmw said:

    #61 brilliant insight!

  67. #386385
    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:58 am, sonofdy said:

    LGM: Unless you live in anwar or one of the other areas, nobody is looking at your “backyard”. Expensive gas is killing the economy. Your alternative energy is at least a decade away, so are YOU going to help pay for my gas??? Are you? Are you telling us to suffer so YOU can feel better about yourself while you do nothing to help? What an arogant ass you are. I thought you cared about this country but clearly you don’t. “suck it up”. Why should we when we can stop the pain at the pump for us who DON’T live in isolated unreal worlds like colleges. I will tell you what, why don’t you try to explain to the person who has to choose between gas money to get to work and food to “suck it up”. Perhaps we can plant you down there so you can explain how they should take the bas for 3 hours before and after work because they can just “suck it up”.

    LGM in summary, kiss my ass. arrogant jerks like you are why I am proud NOT to be a democrat.

  68. #386387
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, abstractmind said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:50 am, lgm said:
    You want to drill in my back yard so you can have cheap gas. I say no! Suck it up.

    MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Normally, i’d ask if you were kidding, but….you’re not.

    so, I have to surmise based on your poop and flee tactic, something along the lines of:

    1. You LOVE the high price of gas.
    2. Your backyard is located on our continental shelf, underwater (though i bet you have low property taxes!)
    3. You’re ok with us having to mostly buy oil overseas and want to be dependant on others rather than ourselves. This makes sense because you’re all about delegating out personal responsibility to anyone but those responsible.
    4. You’re a drill-o-phobic.
    5. You’re out of touch with reality.
    6. You’re just talking out of your rear and don’t really have a point to make or anything to make it with…

    Do me a favor, lgm. Go over to the thread where people are sending well-wishes to Randy. At least TRY to say something nice about someone who was a professor, as you claim to be.

    Or do you not have the stones to do it?

    And thats 18.

  69. #386405
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, Ron Rockstar said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:50 am, lgm said:
    You want to drill in my back yard so you can have cheap gas. I say no! Suck it up.

    Your a real thinker aren’t you. Now tell me where is Nancy Botoxi and the other greenies such as yourself going to get the Mercury for their CFL light bulbs. I believe you have to mine that. And it is difficult because you have to heat the ore to get the mercury out. That requires heat and it is amazing the destruction to the natural resources (cutting trees to burn) to get said mercury. Please square all this up genius. If you would like more examples of your stupidity just ask. I be glad to supply them. Remember, it is not the republicans hanging around your “back door”.

  70. #386411
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, lonewolf said:

    Aside from the fact that releasing a few million barrels from the Strategic Reserve would not lower retail gasoline prices, there is the absurdity, if the Reserve is replenished, of replacing oil bought for as little as $10/barrel with new oil purchased for over $140/barrel.

  71. #386412
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, Hannibal said:

    #46–Sonofdy– source?

    I kind of knew because it was once part of my job, but I checked for the latest figures and they are from the US Bureau of Transit Statistics for 2006. Found it in Wikipedia but that doesn’t instill me with much confidence though. Note, the figures do not include buses or trains.

  72. #386413
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, sambo said:

    abstractmind said:
    Your backyard is located on our continental shelf, underwater (though i bet you have low property taxes!)

    explains the lack of oxygen going to his brain.

  73. #386414
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, sonofdy said:

    thanks hannibal.

  74. #386454
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, madchef said:

    LGM, that’s fine. They CAN drill in my backyard, then drill horizontally under your back yard, which is what Cuba is doing off the Florida coast.

  75. #386459
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:36 pm, emjem24 said:

    lgm said:
    You want to drill in my back yard so you can have cheap gas. I say no! Suck it up.

    So you want more economic pain, Mathman? I’m sure you can do the math, right?

    Talk about being selfish… you and your liberal buddies have ensured our continued dependence on foreign oil until it cripples us all. Have fun getting to work on your bicycle… the rest of us who don’t live in major metropolitcan areas actually need a vehicle to get to work.

    If you want to ensure poverty and pain for the rest of us, then your true colors are really showing. :roll:

  76. #386467
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, madchef said:

    BTW lgm, you got it backwards, first we drill, then we suck it up.

  77. #386473
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, abstractmind said:

    lgm said:
    You want to drill in my back yard so you can have cheap gas. I say no! Suck it up.

    I would also point out, now that I have a second, a simple irony with lgm’s fun little statement.

    He’s using a statement that’s been repeated here many times, about people taking personal responsibility.

    It’s a double whammy because not only is he using a statement associated with that sentiment for his own purpose, but also for the fact that by drilling our own oil we would, in fact, become more independant…which is something he’s saying is a bad thing now.

  78. #386491
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:51 pm, emjem24 said:

    abstractmind said:

    lgm said:
    You want to drill in my back yard so you can have cheap gas. I say no! Suck it up.

    I would also point out, now that I have a second, a simple irony with lgm’s fun little statement.

    He’s using a statement that’s been repeated here many times, about people taking personal responsibility.

    It’s a double whammy because not only is he using a statement associated with that sentiment for his own purpose, but also for the fact that by drilling our own oil we would, in fact, become more independant…which is something he’s saying is a bad thing now.

    If only it were that simple, abstractmind. It’s obvious that lgm and the liberals want economic pain for the rest of us. They get off on it. That’s the sick, twisted part of the issue that I don’t understand.

    Now, I don’t mean to say that there aren’t a few Dems who haven’t seen the light. However, there are those like lgm who prefer selfish attitudes toward something that benefits us all. Perhaps, he and other liberals are projecting their disdain for the little guy they pretend to care about.

    I’ve enjoyed your posts, Abstractmind. Keep them up. Anything that will reveal how some liberals will do anything to obtain power and supremacy over the rest of us. I don’t take such deceit and stubborn, contrary behavior lightly.

  79. #386499
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:54 pm, mytake said:

    Nancy Pelosi and lgm are both twits!

  80. #386500
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 11:02 am, pueblo1032 said:
    The oil futures have been doing a lot of correcting since GWB removed the PRESIDENT’S ban on off-shore drilling. This AM it was around 123.00/brl.. With these corrections GAS should be around 3.50/gal by Labor Day. Probably 3.25/gal by election day.

    Due to GWB removing the presidential ban? I sincerely doubt that. Now if anyone believed that congress would follow suit, I might buy it, but I think anyone with half a brain nows that won’t happen. It has has a lot more to do with the demand numbers that have been coming out. Take a look at domestic consumption numbers from the EIA:

    (weekly consumption in Thousand Barrels per Day)

    07/06/07 – 21,069
    07/04/08 – 20,320

    07/13/07 – 21,008
    07/11/08 – 20,198

    07/20/07 – 21,006
    07/18/08 – 19,903

    A 1.1 million barrel/day drop in US demand is huge considering that the current IEA forecast for 2008 GLOBAL demand growth is 0.89mbd.

  81. #386506
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    The only place Democrats want to drill is our wallet is true enough. But Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the DNC WANT this oil crisis, the run up in prices and the resultant economic pain so they can blame President Bush, the Republicans and John McCain. Night after night we see the same Democratic Party operatives on the news chanting ‘worst economy since the depression’, ‘two oilmen in the White House plus two terms equal $4.00 gas’.

    And they lie about other things. The worry and irritation for me is I see so few Republicans hitting back. It is as if each Republican is only worried about his own fiefdom and willing to let the Party sink.

    And we know Obama isn’t upset about the run up; he just wished it had been a little slower. And there are millions willing to vote for the man.

    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, lonewolf said:
    Aside from the fact that releasing a few million barrels from the Strategic Reserve would not lower retail gasoline prices, there is the absurdity, if the Reserve is replenished, of replacing oil bought for as little as $10/barrel with new oil purchased for over $140/barrel.

    That is Speaker Pelosi’s plan–the effects would not hit until after the election and the Fairness Doctrine was law. We would have no way to fight back.

    Well not in the way we do now.


    Allah be Praised
    Allie OOP OOP 2

  82. #386507
    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, mytake said:

    It has to do with speculation. These guys and those making money in oil have to bring the price down for a while until this “drill” fever abates. Once things calm down the price will rise again.

  83. #386509
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, sonofdy said:

    Those numbers have been out for months, but I am glad to see that LGM is not the only lib enjoying americans pain. TOS are YOU going to help me pay for gas to get to work since I can’t take the bus? LGM was quite on that one. You liberals seem so willing to sacrifice my money.

  84. #386510
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, mytake said:

    Only after the Dems kill this drill fever in Congress can the oil nations go back to work working consumers over.

  85. #386514
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, sonofdy said:

    Independant truckers going bankrupt also helps reduce demand. I am sure TOS and LGM will gladly go to thier soon to be foreclosed housed to tell them and thier families to “suck it up”

  86. #386518
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, IndependentTom said:

    It seems to me that we may be overlooking something. Could it be possible that the obstructionists in Washington are trying to use social engineering to shape American society as THEY think best?

    Oh….wait a minute….I’m belaboring the obvious here…

    My apologies…..

  87. #386519
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, mytake said:
    It has to do with speculation. These guys and those making money in oil have to bring the price down for a while until this “drill” fever abates. Once things calm down the price will rise again.

    And the interesting thing is is that it was the Republicans in congress who voted down the Stop Excessive Energy Speculation Act of 2008 today.

  88. #386534
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, corona said:

    Why are “comments closed” on the Korrupt Kwame post?

  89. #386535
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, Regulus said:

    If only it were that simple, abstractmind. It’s obvious that lgm and the liberals want economic pain for the rest of us. They get off on it. That’s the sick, twisted part of the issue that I don’t understand.

    It’s easy to understand: Although they’ll never admit it, libs’ and lefties’ sense of misplaced collective guilt requires them to believe that America, and Americans, should be “punished.” Hence the term I first saw on National Review Online, “Punitive Liberalism.”

    “You desperately want to rule America, but you don’t seem to like Americans very much.”

    - Peggy Noonan, to a donkey acquaintance

    It’s like the old quip about the Marxist and the Capitalist who look at a wealthy man’s mansion. The Marxist says, “No man should have that.” The Capitalist says, “Every man should have that.”

    When we have a return to the 55 MPH limit, gasoline rationing, food rationing and rolling nationwide brownouts and blackouts, then libs and lefties will be truly happy: because American will finally be paying for its “sin” of its past prosperity vis a vis the rest of the world.

    We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen.”

    B.H.O.
    Q.E.D.

  90. #386537
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, jsr said:

    lgm said:
    You want to drill in my back yard so you can have cheap gas. I say no! Suck it up.

    lgm, let me put this in a way you can understand.

    1. Price of oil goes up.

    2. Lots of bad things happen to the economy (This is beyond your understanding since you have so little experience in this area)

    3. This causes tax revenues to go down (I’ll leave out details because it is also beyond your comprehesion)

    4. Lower tax revenues mean budget cuts like in California. (You might be able to understand this.)

    5. No more raises for college professors. (That means you!)

    Now when #5 happens I’m sure you and your peers instead bemoaning how underpaid you are will “suck it up”

  91. #386539
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:14 pm, abstractmind said:

    On July 25th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    Decent post. I would point out that the majority is holding it up at this point.

    Emjem,

    Anytime. I like to muse from time to time, but unlike lgm and some others, i try to approach the topic from the standpoint that there are facts to be dealt with, and that there are consequences for actions taken.

    I would reference the government study that estimated 90 million(?) barrels of oil that i read yesterday or the day before (bonus points if someone can find the info before me!).

    90 million barrels (if thats in fact the number, again, i’ll stand corrected if i’m wrong), and based on barrels TOS referenced would break down something like this.

    I’m assuming, by the way, that when it was said “thousands per day” and the 21,069 was listed, that its exactly that and not something like 21,069 x 20…i’m not a mathmatician, so..lets get lgm in here lol

    90,000,000 barrels of oil
    divided by
    20,000 barrels per week (ballparking from the number provided)
    =
    450 weeks worth of oil from that source.

    that would be the average consumption we could replace on average for weeks, for the next 8.6 years.

    8 years of our own oil, not going overseas, cutting dependance on foreign sources, and buying a decent chunk of time for development of viable alternative sources.

    Even if i run the risk of being off in the math, which i conclude is a distinct possibility given i’m horrible at math…ANYTHING is still better than nothing, and i’ll take whatever i can get to at this point.

    If i’m off the mark, please let me know so i can be corrected and more informed.

  92. #386543
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:15 pm, sambo said:

    TheOtherSide said:
    Due to GWB removing the presidential ban? I sincerely doubt that.

    Oil consumption has been like that since November (which is not well known unfortunately). So how come the price still was going up since then?

  93. #386544
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, sonofdy said:

    So far neither LGM or TOS have said they will back up thier words and tell bankrupt truckers to “suck it up” to thier faces. Niether plan to help out struggling commuters either. Waiting…

  94. #386548
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, sambo said:

    here is what we Americans want to here Obama say when he gets back from Germany.

    if you seek prosperity for the USA, if you seek liberalization from our enemies : Come here to this gate! Mr. Reid, open this flood gate of oil in ANWR! Mrs. Pelosi, tear down this democrat wall that you have put up between us and the OCS!

  95. #386553
    On July 25th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, Craig said:

    Why are “comments closed” on the Korrupt Kwame post?

    Michelle must’ve had a couple of Off-color comments and had to shut it down.

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