Hey, how’s all that Hispandering working out for McCain?

By see-dubya  •  July 26, 2008 11:40 AM

McCain was quick to remind conservatives that former Mexican government employee and open-borders advocate Juan Hernandez wasn’t his employee, but rather an unpaid campaign volunteer.

Well, it looks like the McCain campaign is really getting their money’s worth from him:

Democrat Barack Obama has opened a big lead among Hispanic voters, winning support from the vast majority of those who had voted for rival Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primaries, according to a poll released Thursday.


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  1. #387351
    On July 26th, 2008 at 11:48 am, starlightwoman said:

    Perhaps John McCain needs to start pandering to his base more and not worry so much about other groups. There is a lot of people out there that does not want the Obamessiah to be president for a myriad of reasons. Perhaps his outreach should be to those groups. Forget what the MSM thinks, go conservative!

  2. #387353
    On July 26th, 2008 at 11:52 am, Rob said:

    Juan Hernandez is one of the only people that makes me change the channel immediately when I see him.

    Juan McAmnesty is sticking true to form by keeping him.

  3. #387354
    On July 26th, 2008 at 11:54 am, BOB said:

    Yep, McCain could trade his 23% hispanic vote for millions of conservative votes, (even if they were unenthusiastic ones), if he’d ditch the slick one Juan and forget his first priorty if elected is amnesty, but he won’t.

  4. #387355
    On July 26th, 2008 at 11:54 am, Bob in Myrtle Beach said:

    Do you think if McCain did a “Rock Star” Tour of Mexico and other Latin American Countries that all the MSN anchors and the whole press gaggle would come along?

    “Er… no thanks Mac, we’re afraid to drink the water”

  5. #387358
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, wise_man said:

    I hate Juan McAmnesty!!!! Hurr!!!!

  6. #387360
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, Rob said:

    I hate Juan McAmnesty!!!! Hurr!!!!

    It looks like the wise_man has finally seen the light!

  7. #387362
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, shooter said:

    Do what 73% of AMERICANS WANT, fire the hernandez liar and ENFORCE THE LAWS.

    You will gain votes. Period.

  8. #387363
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:15 pm, wise_man said:

    Oh, absolutely. Because it doesn’t matter if Obama is the president. It’s more important that we punish McShamnesty!!!

  9. #387364
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:20 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    CW: In his Denver speech yesterday at the 2008 American GI Forum, McCain laid the Hispandering on THICK, topping it off with a lengthy story of the actions of a Hispanic Medal of Honor winner from the Vietnam war. Some excerpts:

    “Let me close by expressing my gratitude for the contributions Hispanic-Americans have made to the security of the country I have served all my adult life.”

    “When you take the solemn stroll along that wall of black granite on the national Mall, it is hard not to notice the many names such as Rodriguez, Hernandez, and Lopez that so sadly adorn it.”

    “As a private citizen or as President, I will never, never do anything to dishonor our obligations to them and their families.”

    “Roy Benavidez was the son of a Texas sharecropper, a seventh grade dropout who suffered the humiliation of being constantly taunted as a ‘dumb Mexican.’”

    “I wouldn’t want to live in a country that didn’t recognize how much we needed such a good man. [...] I prefer to live in a hopeful country. I prefer to live in Roy Benavidez’ America.”

    I don’t care if he or anyone else is Hispanic, black, Asian, white, or albino. And race shouldn’t be the basis for deporting people or denying them the rights given to US citizens. If you’re an illegal alien, you shouldn’t be here. Why McCain even mentions Benavidez’s race is beyond me. It leaves me with a sour taste.

  10. #387365
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pm, love2rumba said:

    Rob, Wiseman…McCain will have to make a mid-course adjustment on Immigration when he discovers his VP pick only brings in a few votes-or perhaps no bounce at all..this is where I predict Juan Hernandez will be asked to pack his bags…I figure by mid-September.

    Relax, Gentlemen..get some sun

  11. #387366
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pm, Sly McNasty said:

    Coolness, the putz isn’t an employee, so he does’t even have to be fired. He could just be told to go away. If that doesn’t work, then give the “volunteer” a mission. McCain should give him an unending quest, something like finding 5 un-corrupted Mexican poloticians.

  12. #387367
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, nyc123me said:

    I guess even Hispanics recognize Juan Hernandez for the sleazebag that he is.

  13. #387369
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:25 pm, wise_man said:

    (hmm, maybe I should have used a ’sarcasm’ note at the end of my comment.) I thought is was sufficiently Hurrr!!!!able.

  14. #387370
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, wise_man said:

    Oh, he’s an absolute sleazebag, nyc123me! You’ve got that right!!!! – and Obama is so much better, Hurr!!!!

    (*wink*)

  15. #387371
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, tgusa said:

    I recently watched a movie called Confessions of a Nazi Spy, Edward G Robinson. All about the late 30’s and the rise of the German American bund, in the beginning the FBI knew nothing about them, but as they proceeded they began to realize how dangerous they were. They knew that most German Americans were against the bund but that the extremists were like a cancer on the rest, their ideology, of German unity no matter the location, spreading. Sounded a lot like what we have been hearing coming from Mexico lately. Anyway, you could substitute any one of these leftist or subversive groups we see today, confessions of a, la raza member, liberal fascist, islamist jihadist, they would all work instead of nazi spy. I recommend it highly every American should watch it. It’s actually shocking to watch a movie that in it has everything we are worried about today yet it was made 70 years ago and everyone seems to have forgotten the lessons learned. There’s a part in it where Robinson is interrogating a bundster, the bundster says I am an American but I also support our fuehrer. E.G. says, isn’t that a bit of a contradiction and the guy replies, you are not a German you wouldn’t understand. At which point E.G. replies, you’re right, I don’t understand. Now before anyone starts accusing me of comparing the Nazis with Latinos I’m not, the overall fundamentals of the movie are relevant. As E.G. sez in the movie, it’s a new kind of war, but its still war.

  16. #387372
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, Rob said:

    love2rumba, I hope you are right.

  17. #387374
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, normsrevenge said:

    Here’s to the GoP party leadership coming to their senses and a brokered convention.

  18. #387375
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    It so easy for a community, a nation to become Balkanized, fragmented. We see it around the world. Even here. Look at Los Angeles. But that’s not our model. We’re supposed to all be Americans. No Shia v Sunni, Hutu v Tutsi, Christian v Muslim, white v black, Protestant v Catholic, one side of the street v the other side of the street. Everyone who separates into their own group identity literally wants to tear the country apart, to cleave it into different groups. Why is McCain encouraging this in his Denver speech yesterday. He’s adding to the problem.

  19. #387376
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, wise_man said:

    “brokered convention?”

    So this is what this is all about? All these months on this site?

  20. #387377
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, zorro said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:25 pm, wise_man said:
    (hmm, maybe I should have used a ’sarcasm’ note at the end of my comment.) I thought is was sufficiently Hurrr!!!!able.

    Heck, I thought you had turned into a conservative for a minute there. (not really).

  21. #387379
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, simcoe said:

    Because their movements toward self-improvement in their own countries has been negligible for the last several hundred years, and because they have always looked at America as a giant pot of social freebies, these people have come to America, refusing to assimilate, but with hands stretched out and mouths hanging wide open for the freebies that bubble over the pots brim.

    They apparently now believe that the pot of the hispandering Obamessiah will be shallower and therefore afford more bubble-over than the pot of hispandering Juan McAmnesty. To bad for Juan and much to bad for the citizenship of our once great nation.

    Speaking of citizens isn’t voting in a national election supposed to be an honor and privilege held only for the citizens of the United States of America?

  22. #387382
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, wise_man said:

    Heh, I thought you might actually support the republican who won the republican primary from all of the other candidates because of the republican voters choosing him and not the other candidates – and do your part to get the republican elected and not stand back and do nothing but b*tch ans whine about McCain while millions of democrats plan to vote for Obama and help to put him into the whitehouse.(not really).

  23. #387383
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, rightisright said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:25 pm, wise_man said:(hmm, maybe I should have used a ’sarcasm’ note at the end of my comment.) I thought is was sufficiently Hurrr!!!!able.

    wiseman trying a new psychology? I must admit, it’s better than the usual ranting and name calling to anyone that is not a McCainite.

  24. #387384
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, wise_man said:

    Ha, ha, People who say “McInsane” and “McShamnesty” are now all offended by “name calling.”

    Now that is funny,

  25. #387385
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, nyc123me said:

    Oh, he’s an absolute sleazebag, nyc123me! You’ve got that right!!!! – and Obama is so much better, Hurr!!!! *wink*

    unWise_man, enough with your overzealous comments please – my comment was about Hernandez, not about Obama, so stop trying to turn it into something that it isn’t.

  26. #387387
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, WisCon said:

    Shocka!

    McCain is clueless.

  27. #387388
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, zorro said:

    Hey, let’s ask Mr. Hernandez and his boss what they thinks of this piece from John Wayne

  28. #387389
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, rightisright said:

    wise_guy, the name calling is obviously a 2 way street.
    You didn’t fool me for a minute, with your change in attitude about McShame…a different tone would be nice tho…you know the old saying, catch more bees with honey …you might wanted to try it.

  29. #387390
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, wise_man said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, nyc123me said: unWise_man,

    Like this form of name calling, rightisright?

    Is this what you are talking about?

  30. #387391
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, wise_man said:

    Wise_guy? And more mocking of my name, while you are upset about name calling.

    Just – too – funny.

  31. #387392
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:54 pm, simcoe said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, wise_man said:

    Heh, I thought you might actually support the republican who won the republican primary from all of the other candidates because of the republican voters choosing him and not the other candidates – and do your part to get the republican elected and not stand back and do nothing but b*tch ans whine about McCain while millions of democrats plan to vote for Obama and help to put him into the whitehouse.(not really).

    That moniker may be ill-chosen.

    Do you really think that all the illegal illiterates are voting D because they prefer it to the R platform?

    I think not.

  32. #387393
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, wise_man said:

    Maybe you might want to consider holding back some of your anger for Obama. You know, the democrat. And less for fellow conservatives who don’t want to see America harmed by Obama, and actually want the republican to win. Unlike you people.

  33. #387394
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm, wise_man said:

    Its my last name, simcoe.

    And I am regretting choosing it, because I should have chosen something more like “don’t do as democrats do” because more of you people here need to understand that what you are doing is benefiting the democrat candidate.

  34. #387395
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, flenser said:

    do your part to get the republican elected

    Why is it “my part” to get the “republican” elected?

    while millions of democrats plan to vote for Obama

    Unlike the GOP the Democrats actually gave their members a candidate who reflects their views.

    If McMoron ever relects my views, or even pretends to give a damn about what they are, I might consider voting for him.

  35. #387396
    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, nyc123me said:

    wise_man (there, I said it right, please stop crying).. I will certainly concede that Obama is worse than McCain for the POTUS spot, however that does not necessarily mean McCain would make a good POTUS by default – that is where most of us differ in opinion from you. We choose to put the United States of America before the Republican Party.

  36. #387397
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, flenser said:

    And less for fellow conservatives who don’t want to see America harmed by Obama

    I notice that these so-called conservatives don’t seem worried about the harm that McCain will cause. Why is that? Could it be because they are really pro-war liberals and not conservatives at all?

  37. #387398
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, robhic said:

    As has been said many times before: With all the millions and millions of people who live (legally, I might add) in the US, these two lamers were the best we could come up with?

    Oh man! It makes my head (or should I say ‘cabeza’) hurt.

  38. #387399
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, wise_man said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, flenser said: Why is it “my part” to get the “republican” elected?

    You’re smart enough to figure that out on your own.

  39. #387400
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:02 pm, flenser said:

    Its my last name

    Too funny.

  40. #387402
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, flenser said:

    No, witless, I’m not. Explain why it is “my part” as a conservative to help your lefty candidate get elected just because he has the letter R after his name.

  41. #387404
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, wise_man said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, nyc123me said: We choose to put the United States of America before the Republican Party.

    Then you might want to consider supporting the republican nominee, who is running against the democrat nominee, who is the most liberal senator in 2007. Just a thought.

  42. #387406
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, wise_man said:

    Whats your real last name, flenser?

  43. #387407
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, flenser said:

    With all the millions and millions of people who live (legally, I might add) in the US, these two lamers were the best we could come up with?

    We’d be better off picking the president by random lottery of all the (legal) Americans. Same with the courts and Congress.

  44. #387408
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, nyc123me said:

    Why would I vote for someone I believe would be bad for the United States? That’s lunacy.

  45. #387410
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, flenser said:

    Then you might want to consider supporting the republican nominee, who is running against the democrat nominee

    Why? It’s not like the “republican nominee” is a conservative, or even pretends to be one. In fact he’s spent his career kissing liberals butts while treating conservatives like dirt.

    Given those facts, why should conservatives support him? Let him get his votes from the Hispanics since he’s got such a crush on them.

  46. #387411
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, zorro said:

    Some of us support candidates who hold views similar to ours. We do not support candidates who’s views are distinctly different. Like Freedom of Speech, not limits on free political speech, like the power of the executive to nominate federal judges, not gangs of maverick senators who think they hold the power, like lower taxes, like secure borders, like not rewarding criminals with citizenship. The list goes on.

    It must be really hard for some people to understand that when both political parties stand for that same different view, neither political party wins the support of those who think differently. Too bad.

  47. #387412
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, simcoe said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm, wise_man said:

    Its my last name, simcoe.

    And I am regretting choosing it, because I should have chosen something more like “don’t do as democrats do” because more of you people here need to understand that what you are doing is benefiting the democrat candidate.

    That’s a good point. However, sometimes the best way to teach a fool (the Dems) a lesson is to let them go through with their fantasy. Yes, it will hurt all concerned but this once great nation will survive and go on. We must work to try to get back on track with conservatism.

  48. #387414
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, JHSII said:

    I’m still waiting for McCain to “reach out” to me as a Conservative with something other than a punch to the face.

    I will also point out that I don’t OWE McCain anything – it’s his job as a candidate to EARN my vote!!

  49. #387417
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm, Rob said:

    Why? It’s not like the “republican nominee” is a conservative, or even pretends to be one. In fact he’s spent his career kissing liberals butts while treating conservatives like dirt.

    No kidding!.. Joe Liberalman, Lindsay Grahamnisty, Ted Kennedy… these are McAmnesty’s homies. I can’t stand them either…

    McAmnesty loves to reach around the isle, except we are the ones getting screwed.

  50. #387419
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:15 pm, wise_man said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, flenser said: Why? It’s not like the “republican nominee” is a conservative,

    Oh, it’s that lie again.

    ACU releases 2007 ratings: McCain gets a B
    posted at 10:36 am on May 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
    That approximates his lifetime rating of 82.16 and gives McCain a little more ammunition for his argument to represent conservative values.

    How did Barack Obama score with the ACU? Barack Obama actually scored marginally higher than his caucus at a 7, having supported the ACU on earmark disclosure alone.

    For those who see no difference between McCain and the two Democrats, this serves as a reminder that while McCain drifts to the middle on some issues, a large chasm exists between the nominees that will face off in November.

    So why is Ed Morrissey lying to you, flesner?

  51. #387422
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, wise_man said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, simcoe said:(S)ometimes the best way to teach a fool (the Dems) a lesson is to let them go through with their fantasy. Yes, it will hurt all concerned but this once great nation will survive and go on.

    So you support the democrats.

    And you want them to win, and then hurt America by having a liberal president who will work with the liberals in the house and senate.

    Will you just sit back as Obama is elected, or will you vote for him and help this vision of yours come to pass?

  52. #387423
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, flenser said:

    The fact that you think Ed Morrissey is an authoritative voice on conservatism just reinforces my belief that you are a refugee from the Democratic Party.

  53. #387424
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, JHSII said:

    Yes, and Amnesty for illegal aliens, the unConstitutional Gang-bang of 14, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy – all of those things were just the dictionary definition of Conservative, huh, wise_man? :roll:

  54. #387425
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, flenser said:

    And you want them to win, and then hurt America

    America is going to be hurt if either McCain or Obama is elected. Both of these men are further left than anybody since LBJ. If you really want to help America, which I’m starting to doubt, you’d join us in dumping McMoron.

  55. #387426
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, wise_man said:

    Then why did Michelle Malkin hire Ed Morrissey, this non-”authoritative voice on conservatism” to work at hotair?

    And is the American Conservative Union, who tracks the votes of every member in the senate and house, are they also tools of the democrats, flesner?

  56. #387427
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, nyc123me said:

    Once again this has turned into a me! me! me! thread for wise_man.

    We know what you are wise_man, now go away.

  57. #387428
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, wise_man said:

    If you look at his voting record, it scores as a “B”, JHSII. Again, For those who see no difference between McCain and the two Democrats, this serves as a reminder that while McCain drifts to the middle on some issues, a large chasm exists between the nominees that will face off in November.

    McCain is not the evil man so many of you paint him out to be.

  58. #387429
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, wise_man said:

    I am attempting to talk some sense into people like you, nyc123me.

  59. #387430
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, rightisright said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, flenser, refuge or agent?

  60. #387431
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, flenser said:

    Then why did Michelle Malkin hire Ed Morrissey, this non-”authoritative voice on conservatism” to work at hotair?

    She explained that when she brought him on board. Don’t you read the site?

    McCain is not the evil man so many of you paint him out to be

    Yes, he is. And when did you Dems start caring about what the ACU says? Who did you vote for in 2000?

  61. #387432
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, nyc123me said:

    There will never be sense in voting for a person who does not represent what I believe is good for the United States over another just because one is marginally better than the other. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  62. #387434
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, flenser said:

    Every thread around here has the witless “wise_man” trolling on it.

  63. #387435
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, right4life said:

    Every thread around here has the witless “wise_man” trolling on it.

    thats for sure, especially when anyone dares say anything bad about the second hispanic candidate for el presidente (Jorge Arbusto was first)

    have you noticed that only hispanics are God’s children???

    does that make the rest of spawns of SATAN???

  64. #387436
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, Rob said:

    I don’t think McAmnesty is evil, he just supports the continued invasion of our country by evil people. I would call him foolish, old, misguided and insulated by all his wealth and position from the Mexicans that have moved into my community.

    There are not old cars on the lawns of the homes near McAmnesty’s house. He doesn’t have to worry about the loooong lines in the emergency wards should someone in his family need help. There aren’t push one for English buttons in his life… and I sure as hell bet there isn’t any gang tagging on his gated mansion’s walls.

  65. #387438
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, flenser said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, rightisright said:
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, flenser, refuge or agent?

    Refugee. He’s a pro-war liberal, as about thirty percent of the commenters here are.

    Hey, if I was a pro-war liberal I’d be doing what these guys are doing – trying to persuade conservatives to vote for McCain.

  66. #387439
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    “Let me close by expressing my gratitude for the contributions Hispanic-Americans have made to the security of the country I have served all my adult life.”

    “When you take the solemn stroll along that wall of black granite on the national Mall, it is hard not to notice the many names such as Rodriguez, Hernandez, and Lopez that so sadly adorn it.”

    Question is Johnny is, where they Illegal aliens?

    wise_man said:
    Heh, I thought you might actually support the republican who won the republican primary from all of the other candidates because of the republican voters choosing him and not the other candidates – and do your part to get the republican elected

    I’m not a Republican, I’m a Conservitive.

    wise_man said:
    Maybe you might want to consider holding back some of your anger for Obama. You know, the democrat. And less for fellow conservatives

    So, which is it are you a Republican or a Conservitive, because at this point I see a difference between the two.

  67. #387440
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    should be: is were they

  68. #387441
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm, flenser said:

    have you noticed that only hispanics are God’s children???

    Like any self-respecting liberal, McCain likes non-whites a lot more than whites.

  69. #387442
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, JHSII said:

    If you look at his voting record, it scores as a “B”, JHSII.

    So, wise_man, you believe that Amnesty for illegal aliens, the unConstitutional Gang-bang of 14, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy are all Conservative ideals.

    Whew. At least now we know where you stand.

  70. #387443
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, right4life said:

    McCain is not the evil man so many of you paint him out to be.

    yeah he is, he’s actually worse than Obama. He claims to be a ‘conservative’ when the truth is he’s a LIBERAL and he will discredit conservatism for a generation if he is elected.

    Mccain, not Obama, sponsored cap and trade, AMNESTY Mccain Feingold.

    Obama hasn’t done anything, but mccain has already been a blight upon this country, and done it great harm. probably as much as his good buddy, Uncle Keg.

    and anyone who thinks mccain is going to appoint conservative judges, like Alito, who would overturn mccain-feingold is smoking funny things as Kid rock would say….

  71. #387444
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    need to use preview: :lol: conservative

  72. #387445
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, right4life said:

    Like any self-respecting liberal, McCain likes non-whites a lot more than whites.

    I’ve noticed that white liberals are the real racists, condescending, arrogant, don’t think anyone of any color can do anything without them around to guide them….its like a BWANA complex…

    Mccain as the wise and beneficient ranch owner, taking care of his serfs-of-color…..

  73. #387446
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, beenthere said:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that Hernandez is actually working for the other side: that disasterous shrine photo-op had to be his idea and he certainly would have known how offensive it would be perceived. In any event, as if we ever had any doubt, there’s no fool like an old fool.

    Hasta la vista, Mr. McCain. Looks like Obama’s world tour gamble has paid off with a solid (6%) bounce. After the democrat convention, it will likely be all over.

  74. #387448
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, purplepeep said:

    flenser said:
    Every thread around here has the witless “wise_man” trolling on it.

    No, he is just expressing his support for the candidate he supports. And since we’re talking about the candidate he supports (scroll up to see the blog post topic) I’d say it’s a mighty logical place to do so.

    Though I expect it will be a moot point if McCain keeps running a passive tradional “respectful” campaign and conitnues to focus his team, time and money kissing up to voting blocs, like ACORNs illegal “voters”, that are already in Obama’s pocket.

  75. #387450
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, Alphonse said:

    The only difference between McCain and Obama is that McCain is more eager to use American blood and money to fight Israel’s wars for them. Owned by AIPAC.

  76. #387455
    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, flenser said:

    No, he is just expressing his support for the candidate he supports.

    He’s nagging everybody else to death. Although for a change he’s not demanding that everybody else be banned.

  77. #387457
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, right4life said:

    He’s nagging everybody else to death. Although for a change he’s not demanding that everybody else be banned.

    thats his next post…along with accusing everyone who dares disagree with Juan to be a troll

    and soon his alter ego carbon_foot_in_mouth will be along….

  78. #387462
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm, nuss said:

    McCain has no chance to win if he doesn’t abandon his hispanic antics and return to the conservative base. War heros can be idiots too, and McCain is proving this in spades (hope that’s not racist), or at least his advisors are.

  79. #387466
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:17 pm, nyc123me said:

    Sorry Nuss, but like black holes in space, spades are also black in color, therefore you must be racist, accordingly to a certain judge. Unless of course you are black yourself, in which case you are free to make as many racist comments as you please, including using the term ‘white hole’, which of course is not a scientific term, but is distinctly a racial epithet.

  80. #387467
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:19 pm, nyc123me said:

    almost forgot.. /sarc
    ;)

  81. #387469
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, lgm said:

    starlightwoman said (#1):

    Perhaps John McCain needs to start pandering to his base more and not worry so much about other groups.

    He would not be elected if he did that. Pander to the base, that’s our current President with his 30% approval and 60% disapproval rating. People are tired of budget deficits, corruption, incompetence, gay bating, immigrant bating, global warming denial, … . If McCain promises more of that, the voters will reject him.

  82. #387470
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, Old Scout said:

    If you don’t ask, then you don’t have a chance of getting what you want. McCain wants to be president, he needs to create a generalization about himself that will be appealing to that voting bloc.

    At a maximum, he’ll get the votes he wants. At a minimum, those who stay home and don’t vote won’t worry about having put him into office by their inaction. (Check out Tracy Morgan on 30 Rock)

  83. #387473
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:30 pm, nyc123me said:

    hmmm.. wise_man leaves and lgm arrives. Coincidence?

  84. #387475
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, Rob said:

    People are tired of budget deficits, corruption, incompetence, gay bating, immigrant bating, global warming denial

    I’M not tired of those things… I am against the first three could care less about the fourth and support the rest.

  85. #387477
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Rob, I second that…

    lgm, “global warming denial” ? You need to keep up with the talking points… since the planet is actually cooling, the term “global warming” has been replaced with “climate change”.

  86. #387481
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm, tgusa said:

    Moon bating again huh lgm? It’s spelled, baiting, idiot. Although I’m surprised you didn’t spell it bateing.

  87. #387483
    On July 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, JHSII said:

    They would not be elected if they were honest. Pander to the base, that’s our current Congress with their 9% approval and 91% disapproval rating. People are tired of budget deficits, corruption, incompetence, hetero bating, citizen bating, global warming fraud denial, … . If the democrats promise more of that, the voters will reject them.

    /edited for factual correctness

  88. #387484
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, Dandapani said:

    McCan’t is a joke. Nothing is going to stop Nobama. Our only Conservative Hope is that Nobama will be as ineffective a president as he was a US and State Senator. Four or five years and then he’s out. By then a true Conservative like Bobby Jindal can raise to the top and run as a Conservative, perhaps even as a Republican, if the party is still around by then.

  89. #387485
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, Papa Louie said:

    McCain has no chance to win if he doesn’t abandon his hispanic antics and return to the conservative base.

    McCain stopped pandering to the conservative base as soon as the primaries were over. He obviously thinks that conservatives have no other choice but him in this election and so he spends all of his efforts “moving to the center” and even going “past the center” like Arnold recommended. Apparently, this tactic is not a new one for Republican candidates. I found a quote from 1970 that makes this quite clear:

    The Republicans, on the other hand, have been identified as the genuinely “conservative” party which it has NOT been for a full generation. Whenever it has been in power it has tried to out-do the Democrats in both spending and big government. Its leaders have been largely Establishment figures serving as a backstop for the Democrats in case the Democrats fell out of favor with the public.

    Establishment Republicans have always insisted that the ideological base of the party be stretched out far enough to include a powerful Left-wing segment because they claimed that was the only way to obtain or retain power.

    …by restructuring the Republican Party it could be a place where men and women of honest convictions could rally without being betrayed by the Establishment’s pseudo-Republicans [RINOs].
    — W. Cleon Skousen , The Naked Capitalist, 1970, p. 120-121

    As old as I am, I had no idea this has been going on in the Republican Party since before 1970. Reagan was the only one who didn’t go out of his way to pander to the left, and he won in a landslide. When are Republicans going to learn their lesson?

    The time to learn from the past was before we picked a nominee. Now, unless a conservative third party candidate can actually get some traction, I can’t see any other way but to vote for McCain. But if he wins, the sad thing is, all the pundits will claim that his pandering to the left won it for him. McCain will then become a model for the next election. /groan

  90. #387486
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, nyc123me said:

    SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!

  91. #387487
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm, PTN 39 said:

    Here’s the thing McCain could woo many blue collar conservative democrats in the swing states especially my area in the midwest with a tough on border security stand and anti-illegal immigration.Just look at Novaks column today in townhall McCain has a event in a 2500 seat venue in PA. and draws 600 while anti-illegal alien fighter Lou Barleta from Hazelton PA. is currently running ahead in his district challenging the incumbent democrat.Novak points this is the only place this is happening.

    McCain is never going to out pander Obama for the Hispanic vote and could pick up valuable border security folks like working class democrats etc if his campaign wasn’t so inept.Keeping bascially the same position on illegal immigration as Obama many border security people and conservatives will sit out and conservative democrats will look at other issues.The 2006 fresman democrats in congress were made up of members who are strong against illegal immigration and have high ratings from numberusa.So go ahead McCain campaign keep chasing the Hispanic vote and see waht percentage you end up with and where it gets you!

  92. #387488
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, nyc123me said:

    Obama thanks you for your continued work for his campaign, McCain.

  93. #387489
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, purplepeep said:

    flenser said:

    No, he is just expressing his support for the candidate he supports.

    He’s nagging everybody else to death. Although for a change he’s not demanding that everybody else be banned

    Then you should really just skip reading any posts where McCain is brought up if it’s too much for you to deal with or if you feel unable to dish it right back.

    As for me, I’d get mighty bored real quick with one person writing “yada, yada yada” and nothing but dittos following it as a steady diet. I ain’t wild about McCain, but I can emotionally handle the fact that some people support him. No skin offa my schnoze.

    But if someone cannot handle it, I’d recommend applying the old adage about a hot kitchen. (Or to just not respond at all, that ends things pretty fast.)

  94. #387490
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, brooklyn red said:

    I find it humorous to listen to all of the libs at work whining & lamenting about how terrible the world is going to be after McCain is elected… oh, they all have their theories from election fraud to down right racism. (America is a mean place after all) But after all is said THEY don’t believe that Obama has a chance & that the (get this) right wing media is ignoring McCain to focus on scrutinizing Obama’s faults

    Oh, it is sooo bizarre!

  95. #387492
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, nyk said:

    Obviously, I’m an Obama supporter, so I don’t really have a stake in this McCain debate. But I have a serious, genuine question — and I’m asking out of real curiosity — do conservatives here who don’t support McCain (and there seem to be a lot of them) do so almost solely because of his immigration stance? I mean, as someone with diametrically opposed political views, I see McCain as having gotten far more conservative in recent years (granted — in his bid for the presidency, but that’s a given). His takes on abortion, on torture, on the war…So, I’m really wondering — and I’m asking because I genuinely would like to hear from the anti-McCain conservatives here — what are the other conservative stances you think he lacks?

  96. #387493
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, brooklyn red said:

    NYK, well there was McCain/Fiengold…

  97. #387494
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, Papa Louie said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, nyc123me said:
    SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!

    McCain may be a centrist and even left of center on some issues, but Obama is far left. Obama wants to stop work on all new weapon systems, not just the missle defense system, but the development of ALL new weapons. He also plans to start a new Global War on Poverty that will bankrupt the country. At the same time, he likes higher gas prices. He just wishes that oil prices had risen more slowly so the frog taxpayer doesn’t jump out of the pot too soon.

    These are just a few of the differences between Obama and McCain that make the choice clear. It comes down to a choice of potentially destroying the Republican Party or potentially destroying the country. I really hate to sound like wise_man here, but I will risk the former before I risk the latter. Which choice do you prefer?

  98. #387497
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, Speakup said:

    If Juan Hernandez is just a volunteer then it shouldn’t be such a big deal to let him go.

    Question is, who’s support is more important?

  99. #387498
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, Bill Grant said:

    This whole “Juan Hernandez” straw man is the lamest excuse for a controversy ever. Because this nobody has volunteered for the McCain campaign it somehow signifies that he has any say in anything is just beyond stupid. What’s next? McCain staff gets Taco Bell for lunch! Juan Hernandez indoctrinating by chalupa!

    Of course that is all that it is, an excuse to vent against McCain instead of advocating for steps that could help solve the problem. This blog won’t be happy until YOU have an Obama presidency.

    Obama on enforcement? From his pandering to europe: “The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.”

    Do you think someone who is so deeply addicted to this happy horse sh*t is going to prevent any immigrants coming here not just from Mexico but from all over the planet? This idiots whole view is every human has a right to take a bite out of this country, indeed, if they can’t make it here we should be shipping our wealth oversees.

    Juan Hernandez is a nobody. He is being cynically used to help a REAL open borders advocate, Barack Obama to break off the bone heads who wont allow themselves to see the breathtakingly obvious.

  100. #387499
    On July 26th, 2008 at 3:57 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On July 26th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, simcoe said:

    sometimes the best way to teach a fool (the Dems) a lesson is to let them go through with their fantasy. Yes, it will hurt all concerned…

    If you give a monkey a machine gun who ends up getting taught the lesson? The monkey or you?

    The idea that we should let the democrats wreck the country in order to say “I told you so” is an incredibly bad one. The country cannot survive and prosper with half of its citizens working for collapse at any given time to pin it on the other half. That is exactly what THEY have done during the Bush administration. So yes, lets not ““don’t do as democrats do””… Lets win this thing and actually demand that our government does a good job.

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