Sanctuary v. enforcement in neighboring counties: a natural experiment.

By see-dubya  •  July 27, 2008 10:02 AM

Here’s what the social-science types might call a “natural experiment”: have one county take a hard line on illegal immigration. Have the adjacent county adopt a sanctuary policy. What happens to crime rates as a result?

First, let’s see what happens in sanctuary land (under the auspices of aspiring congressman Gerry Connolly):

Overall crime in Fairfax County increased by nearly 22 percent for the first quarter 2008 compared to first quarter figures from last year.

Overall, property crimes, including burglary, larceny and car theft increased 24 percent, echoing “what appears to be happening in other localities in the region,” police said.

Well, not quite everywhere in the region: here’s a report from Fairfax County’s pro-enforcement neighbor, Prince William County:

Recently, Prince William County reported a 19.3 percent decline in crime, with chairman of the Board of County Supervisors Corey Stewart attributing the downturn to the hard line the county has taken toward illegal immigrants.

So, pretty much what common sense tells you would happen, then.

While I’m still on the subject, do check out this AP Report of a Congressional hearing about the Postville raids. The Congressional Hispanic Caucus is angry that ICE did its job in Postville, and the sob-story coverage is utterly infuriating:

Postville Mayor Robert Penrod told the congressmen to take the message back to Washington that immigration raids do not work.

“This raid did nothing for this community,” he said. “It downgraded us substantially. It caused people to suffer, and it caused our reputation to suffer clear across the country.”

Sires, the New Jersey congressman, said he was convinced.

“I don’t see this type of thing working someplace else,” he said. “We don’t want it to ever happen again.”

Wow, that’s some chutzpah right there. The federal government raids your town for an ongoing criminal enterprise and the mayor whines that the Feds are making you look bad?

Next up: Harley “Bubba” Drinkwater of Idabel, Oklahoma testifies before Congress that a DEA raid on the meth lab he was running out of his basement has severely “downgraded” the value of his property.

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{Post by See-Dubya. H/t on the Fairfax county item to Mrs. See-Dubya}

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  1. #387789
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:08 am, englishqueen01 said:

    But don’t expect liberals to understand this. Much like they can’t get their heads around the statistics proving gun-control laws do not decrease crime, they’ll try to explain this away with equally specious logic.

  2. #387793
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:22 am, Laree said:

    Dallas wants to be a Sancuary City but the suburb cities surrounding Dallas are making their positions on illegal aliens crystal clear. There should be a legal way to bring people into compliance, issue a Temporary Visas, to people who are working, and have been veted through a medical and criminal check. Yes I know this isn’t popular and should have happened before they entered OUR Country but that isn’t the reality. I can’t go to Mexico and expect to be treated as a citizen of Mexico if I have no Legal documentation.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/carrollton-tx/T8BNCMTRM6ML05PIU

  3. #387794
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:23 am, Laree said:

    Sancutary City

  4. #387796
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:32 am, Boomer said:

    It is amazing how adhering to the rule of law can have a significant impact on the crime rate of a community. Illegal invaders have already broken our county’s laws by being here so why the heck should they bother to obey any others. The liberal hispandering Fairfax County government is receiving all the pain it deserves. Hopefully the citizens that can’t escape will rise up and throw the bums in their local government out. Time will tell if the sheeple have had enough or just bend over and watch their community continue to turn into a third world cesspool.

  5. #387797
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:33 am, Laree said:

    Reverse Migration, now I don’t understand this, if it is so econimically bad down in Mexico, that people had to come into the Country illegally, then why is returning to Mexico an option? Is it possible all those citys, Carrolton, Farmers Branch,Irving, are onto something?

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/carrollton-tx/T8BNCMTRM6ML05PIU

  6. #387798
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:36 am, Laree said:
  7. #387799
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:39 am, simcoe said:

    HENRY C. JACKSON ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Originally published 08:32 p.m., July 26, 2008, updated 08:23 p.m., July 26, 2008

    Reps. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., Albio Sires, D-N.J., and Joe Baca, D-Calif., members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, heard three hours of often emotional testimony. Women whose husbands are being detained talked about their longing to be reunited, underage workers detailed deplorable working conditions and city and religious officials lamented the impact on the community.

    Yep, heard it all before. Boo-Hoo!

    Hears an idea, try living within the law. I can speak from first-hand experience that its worked for me for several decades. Got a feeling it’ll work for you too.

  8. #387802
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:42 am, nyc123me said:

    I’m at the point of giving up. These people are stupid beyond comprehension, and it’s all out of fear of being labeled racist if they dare do anything to uphold federal law. I guess they don’t mind being labeled criminals though.

  9. #387804
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:50 am, txvet2 said:

    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:22 am, Laree said:

    Dallas wants to be a Sancuary City

    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:23 am, Laree said:

    Sancutary City

    You should have quit while you were behind.

  10. #387805
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:53 am, tgusa said:

    Well if you are allowed to get documentation to become a citizen of Mexico don’t think they will ever let you become a citizen of equal rights they wont, read their constitution, its all in there. Calling these criminal invaders immigrants is an insult to every loyal law abiding immigrant that ever came to America. Compliance, what compliance, these invaders all have multiple names and when they are busted they just change it again, and again and again. These invaders and our law makers/enforcers are responsible for the deterioration of race relations we are seeing today, congratulations traitors. I grew up in southern Ca. and many of my school mates of 30 years past had names like Ramirez Garcia Ochoa but these people were no different than I when it came to being Americans. They spoke the language a as well or better than I, I never saw a Mexican flag flying on their homes, they didn’t want to be Mexicans in America any more than I consider myself British in America. We’re British that is true but that didn’t stop us from giving them the boot when it came down to a choice between Britain and America. Do you see the same thing here, anything even close to the same? I don’t either. The whole country is being overrun and some people talk about southern Ca, well we here that have stayed to fight the founding fathers would be proud of anyone who runs from the Mexican army would not have their respect. I heard an LA criminal invader advocate on the news last week, he said that if you oppose this invasion you are committing a hate crime I’m telling ya I have a nasty gnawing in the pit of my stomach regarding the true motives of these people, I’ve had this feeling before, its my God given early warning senseometer.

  11. #387807
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:56 am, Marshall Russ said:

    I’m tired of being told I have no compassion towards illegal immigrants. Liberals have tried intimidate everyone into proving they are not racist just because we want immigration laws enforced. I have compassion for hard working American families that contribute to American society being gunned down by illegal thugs just because they looked at them wrong. This family in San Francisco that had a father and to sons shot to death recently is the perfect example of liberalism run amok concerning sanctuary cities. I hope the family sues the mayor and the city for malfeasance.

  12. #387808
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:56 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:42 am, nyc123me said:
    I’m at the point of giving up. These people are stupid beyond comprehension, and it’s all out of fear of being labeled racist if they dare do anything to uphold federal law. I guess they don’t mind being labeled criminals though.

    nyc123me I hope you can pull back from that point and never give up. There does seem to be a large chunk of the population who live in fear of being labeled something or other. The correct name for such people is “Chicken Little“. This time Prince William County and next time somewhere else.
    And don’t let the leftist press set the agenda and tell you who supports what–they are lying.

    YOU DON’T SPEAK FOR ME (Coconuts?) (o;


    Allah be Praised
    Allie OOP OOP 2

  13. #387810
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:00 am, meatpieandtatters said:

    Illegal and immigrant are mutually exclusive.

  14. #387814
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:04 am, katieanne said:

    If a 22% increase in crime against US citizens is of no concern to politicians, they need to be replaced. Once again, welfare of illegals takes precedence over US citizens. Unbelievable.

  15. #387815
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:09 am, tgusa said:

    Actually if you take the 22 % increase and you add the 19 % decrease it ends up being 41%. Now if we had the numbers on their numbers we could figure out how much of the crime is attributed to them. Are 5 or 10% responsible for 41% of the crime?

  16. #387817
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:10 am, Rob said:

    We have Mexicans increasing like cucarachas around here in Southern Cali, and the tagging in my neighborhood has increased at the same rate… go figure.

  17. #387818
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:10 am, ajmontana said:

    The asshats we have elected are more concerned with this “climate change” hoax than they are with REAL issues tearing our great nation apart.
    We give Mexico 1.6 Billion dollars and all they do is poop all over us and want expect more for doing Nothing in return.

  18. #387819
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:12 am, gayle said:

    Here’s some news from the late great state of NC.

    Homeland Security informed the community college system that there was NO PROBLEM in enrolling illegals.

    Check out the WRAL website to read it for yourself.

    Makes me livid and yes, I am one that cannot stand the sight of an illegal.
    It is what they represent that ticks me off! My taxes are paying for those squatters and what do they do in return? Nothing. Leeches. Kill people, get all the freebies they can, drink and drive, take no birth control, live in nasty conditions, etc.

    Do not move to NC. Stay far, far, away!

  19. #387820
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:16 am, ajmontana said:

    good morning gayle, and I feel your pain. :(

  20. #387830
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:23 am, Mojave Mark said:

    Almost a quarter of inmates in California are illegals. Hey! I know how to reduce crime by exactly 22% in California. Don’t tell ’cause it’s obviously secret information that politicians don’t know about.

  21. #387832
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:24 am, gayle said:

    Hi AJ!

    If you could see them hanging around my area, it would make you sick to your stomach.

    They go up and ring doorbells, probably scouting out potential breakins.
    I do not answer the door btw.

    They drive like maniacs. Some do not have licenses that have done work on my home. ( NO, I did not pick these workers!)
    Drink on the job, urinate in public, etc. GROSS, GROSS, GROSS.

  22. #387834
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:26 am, zorro said:

    Thank you democraps.

  23. #387837
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:28 am, purplepeep said:

    These stats would make a good ad for pro-enforcement candidates and organizations.

    Good points, see-dubya, thanks.

  24. #387838
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:31 am, irving said:

    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:56 am, Marshall Russ said: Liberals have tried intimidate everyone

    Intimidation is the Liberal way.

    You must treat “undocumented workers” as good as, or better than actual citizens!

    You must believe in Global Warming!

    You must let them teach your children about the wonderfulness of “sexual freedom.”

    You must accept that America is evil and everyone else is better!

    Liberalism über alles!

    They never debate. They just demand compliance. Yes, it gets pretty old after a few decades. But I don’t see it changing. Keep fighting them anyway!

  25. #387848
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:52 am, DougHagin said:

    Will the Left ever learn?

  26. #387849
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:59 am, Marshall Russ said:

    When has the Left learned?

  27. #387851
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, Laree said:

    There is alot of money for lawyers, who represent what they call “undocumented immigrants” They don’t want pro law enforcement legislation passed, it drys up some of their revenue.

  28. #387853
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, Tennessee Dave said:

    Postville Mayor Robert Penrod told the congressmen to take the message back to Washington that immigration raids do not work.

    “This raid did nothing for this community,” he said. “It downgraded us substantially. It caused people to suffer, and it caused our reputation to suffer clear across the country.”

    Yes mayor, your personal reputation should suffer when you have lawbreakers and you do nothing about it yourself.
    Mayor, you should see the positive side of this. If you have an unemployment rate that relates to legal citizens they should be able to get jobs now and get off the welfare and unemployment. Get them to do “the jobs Americans won’t do” and change that phrase. Your town could be a beacon to the rest of the United States if you choose to shine.

  29. #387854
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:13 pm, letget said:

    Gail,
    Here in S. TX I feel your pain also. I just wish the federal government would cut off all funds to these cities. That would get their attention. But, that is not gonna happen.
    L

  30. #387855
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, letget said:

    Sorry on spelling on #29 on Gayle.
    L

  31. #387859
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, jroberts said:

    On the other hand, the number of rapes is decreasing. The jump in numbers is mainly larceny. Apparently, letting illegal immigrants in increases larceny but decreases rape. I could live with a few more larcenies if woman are safer. We need to open the borders now!

    Or, perhaps, this is just sloppy post hoc ergo propter hoc thinking. One county’s increase in larceny in one quarter is a statistical nothing.

  32. #387860
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:31 pm, pueblo1032 said:

    Just remember, when a LIB is losing a debate the first thing is pull the race card, people ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT is not a race. Here in MARICOPA COUNTY, Phoenix AZ Sheriff JOE has this to say to his DETRACTORS. “I am only enforcing the law, if you do not like the law, change the law”. Still one of the best arguments I have heard for the ANTI-SANCTUARY movement. Get on the PHONE, use the INTERNET, this is the only way to get the attention of the MORONS you and I elected… And force CONGRESS to pass an EMPLOYER SANCTIONS BILL before the November election… If you get no response from your REPS on this proposal before ELECTION DAY, vote them out!!!

  33. #387861
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:35 pm, apacherat said:

    I’ve been watching the illegal invasion from the south for almost forty years now. I live at ground zero of this illegal invasion. I have first hand experience of what illegal aliens have brought with them. I live in Mexifornia.

    I’ve noticed that anyone who enters our country illegally don’t respect our country’s sovereignty. They don’t respect our laws. And once these illegal aliens enter our country, the first thing they are doing is breaking the law. And it’s very likely that they will continue to break other laws in the future and most of them do. ID theft, driving with out a license or insurance. Driving while drunk is highly common with illegal aliens. Not filing income tax. Possession of a gun that is not legal for a illegal alien to posses. Violating state and local occupancy laws.Using our hospitals emergency rooms for general health care and not having any intention of paying that hospital bill and sticking it to the tax payers.

    The idea of sanctuary policies was the thinking that illegal aliens would come forward and report crime to the police with out fear of deportation. But they don’t, they refuse to snitch on their fellow illegal alien criminals. Show me one community in California that has a large illegal alien population that doesn’t have a high crime rate. There aren’t any.

    Then you have city governments who say that illegal immigration is a federal job and that only the federal government should enforce federal immigration laws. How many times have we heard Mayor Vilalraza of Los Angeles make this claim ? And when ICE comes to Los Angeles and conducts one ICE raid and start enforcing our immigration laws, the first person to complain that the federal government shouldn’t be enforcing our immigration laws is Mayor Vilalaraza.

    A few months ago I watched the Mayor of San Francisco proclaiming that his city was a sanctuary city and that all illegal aliens are welcomed and that the city would protect them from deportation from the federal government. They even have a large bill board proclaiming that they are a sanctuary city. The city government of San Francisco went as far as protecting illegal aliens convicted of a felony from deportation. Now the Mayor and the people of San Francisco have blood on their hands. One of those illegal aliens who they protected three times from the federal government has murdered three Americans !

    Sanctuary policies are a criminal act. Aiding and abetting criminals is a criminal act. Mayor’s Newsome and Villalaraza are criminals.

  34. #387865
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, brooklyn red said:

    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:56 am, Marshall Russ said:
    “I’m tired of being told I have no compassion towards illegal immigrants

    I, on the other hand am not.

    You are on the right side of the issue for sure…

  35. #387866
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:39 am, simcoe said:

    HENRY C. JACKSON ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Originally published 08:32 p.m., July 26, 2008, updated 08:23 p.m., July 26, 2008

    Reps. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., Albio Sires, D-N.J., and Joe Baca, D-Calif., members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, heard three hours of often emotional testimony. Women whose husbands are being detained talked about their longing to be reunited, underage workers detailed deplorable working conditions and city and religious officials lamented the impact on the community.

    So these nitwits from the jackass party are going to be holding hearings on the increased crime rate, impact on the community hospital, jobs taken from legal residents, etc. when?

    This really pi$$es me off. Using tax dollars to hold some show hearing to beat up on evil law enforcement agents or others who want the law enforced, and are tired of open borders.

    This idiot mayor should realize its not just his little worthless town that is affected by this. With that many people detained, it affects quite a few surrounding communities as well.

  36. #387867
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:51 pm, tgusa said:

    If you are waiting for the left to learn you are missing the point. The left is a collection of thuggish groups all with their own particular grievances and vision for America. They have learned they are taking a page right out of our history, united we stand. The trouble is if they gain power it ends up being nothing more than anarchy as these groups are about as diametrically opposed as you can get and still be in the same species. If they get their way law abiding citizens will be forced to group together living behind walls while angry yet diverse mobs ravage the countryside, sound like the middle ages to you, me too. Its time for us to learn, no accept, that this is the way that it is. We can elect anyone but when the law usurps our vote as they did in 1994 with prop 187 it really begins to look like a battle between the people and the law. Do we forsake our heritage to appease these lawyers and judges? Do we sacrifice ourselves to the altar of the law, if so, what comes after that? And think about this, foreign jihadists have now been given rights, the slippery bloody slope grows larger.

  37. #387869
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:24 am, gayle said:

    Hi AJ!

    If you could see them hanging around my area, it would make you sick to your stomach.

    They go up and ring doorbells, probably scouting out potential breakins.
    I do not answer the door btw.

    They drive like maniacs. Some do not have licenses that have done work on my home. ( NO, I did not pick these workers!)
    Drink on the job, urinate in public, etc. GROSS, GROSS, GROSS.

    You should start taking pictures, then sending them to your local, state and federal representatives demanding to know what they will be doing to stop it.

  38. #387871
    On July 27th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, Speakup said:

    During World War II Nazi Germany occupied all or parts of the following countries: Poland, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, France, Yugoslavia, Greece, the Soviet Union, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Egypt and Italy. The term of “Collaboration” was coined by Marshall Philippe Pétain, who proclaimed the Vichy regime in July 1940 and actively supported Collaborationism with Germany.

    Collaboration ranged from urging the civilian population to remain calm and accept foreign occupation, organizing trade, production, financial and economic support to joining various branches of the armed forces of Axis powers or special “national” military units fighting under their command. Apart from active forms of collaboration, there was also “passive collaboration”, where people on the occupied territories just went on with life, but were necessarily influenced by the occupation authorities.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_during_World_War_II

    Collaborationism, in general describes the act of two or more individuals[1][not in citation given], groups or organisations up to and including national governments doing something together to gain mutual benefit through making use of the concept of economies of scale. Another term often used to represent this is alliance, an agreement between two or more parties, made in order to advance common goals and to secure common interests. A secondary definition of the word Collaboration is “Traitorous cooperation with the enemy”,[2] and carries a pejorative connotations.[3]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborationism

    I have never understood the difference in tactical result between the blitzkrieg measuring in thousands with war machines and the yearly millions of, illegal, foreign nationalists, invading en camouflage. The intent is the same, occupy and overcome, with help from local and national collaborators who gain from their betrayal.

  39. #387876
    On July 27th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Speakup, re: #38 Ouch! harsh! (more please).

    So it’s get up, or shut up huh?

  40. #387877
    On July 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pm, tgusa said:

    Secret Armies. Free E-book. Examines the use of “Fifth Column” techniques in pre-WWII Europe.

  41. #387882
    On July 27th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, JohnnyDilznik said:

    Unfortunatley what we are up against is a large portion of local, state and federal politicians with latin surnames who fight for the rights of 1 sect of the population. Frequently that sect is illegal to boot. Sounds like racism. In this generation they get to do all this under cover of “if you don’t agree you are a racist”. Try a white politician running that program these days and see how fast the msm and special interest start with the labels. All these dirt bags up to the POTUS took an oath and it includes supporting and defending the constitution. Santuary policy violates this. Therefore, these scumbags are violating there constitutional oath. Impeach them for this.

  42. #387894
    On July 27th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, right_on said:

    … it caused our reputation to suffer clear across the country.”

    Clearly, with the above emphasized code-words, it is just more liberal whining. Appearances are once again, more important than is reality.

  43. #387907
    On July 27th, 2008 at 3:08 pm, PJ said:

    And Gerry (aka “the Jerk”) Connolly wants to take his scamnesty proposal to the US Congress along with “ToyBoy” Mark Warner. God save Virginia and the USA from these two DIMocrats and all their anti-citizens collaborators.
    What a nightmare: B-Hussein (the “citizen of the world”) in the White House (along with MeeShell) and the Dimocrats in complete control on the Hill. The USA will be forever lost to Americans, I fear.

  44. #387912
    On July 27th, 2008 at 3:13 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    I’m glad I escaped Fairfax County when I went to college in the 1990’s. It was just starting to turn into a 3rd World cesspool at that point.

    Whenever I go back to visit family I am shocked and saddened to see how horrible things have become. It is a good example of how unchecked illegal immigration can quickly and effectively destroy civilized life for American citizens.

  45. #387913
    On July 27th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, Laree said:

    Always follow the money, Immigration Lawyers how much do they make off the Invasion?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSlDtWQBSnc

  46. #387917
    On July 27th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, Chief RZ said:

    What, affecting the slave laborers that are illegal aliens? They don’t want that, it would affect their scams.

  47. #387919
    On July 27th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    jroberts said:
    Or, perhaps, this is just sloppy post hoc ergo propter hoc thinking. One county’s increase in larceny in one quarter is a statistical nothing.

    Come on down to the border counties and have a look see, if you can get away from the HuffingtonPost and DailyKos long enough.
    Hang around the “guest worker” neighborhoods for awhile, after dark would work. Here in Maricopa County, Phoenix area ALL the increase in crime is due to illegal aliens, the crime rate is dropping among other demographics. Then visit Sheriff Joe’s jail and the state prison.

    Believe what you will jroberts but as soon as this latest tide of illegals got going Mexico dumped their prisons on us as has Honduras just as they have before. Look for the prison tattoos.

    But if that doesn’t fit your Kumbayaism don’t. But rent a house in one of those neighborhoods for a month and get back with us. You could try Broadway and Gilbert Roads in Mesa, Arizona. Get your prescriptions filled at the farmacia.
    jroberts de la buena tarde.


    Allah be Praised
    Allie OOP OOP 2

  48. #387922
    On July 27th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, Gabe said:

    And Gerry (aka “the Jerk”) Connolly wants to take his scamnesty proposal to the US Congress along with “ToyBoy” Mark Warner.

    “The Jerk” is an apt nickname. I used to work at the government center before becoming a teacher. This guy threw a ridiculous temper tantrum at a woman for “blocking” his way into the government center parking garage. She was waiting for me and another guy in the other lane to finish refueling the county car and couldn’t block us in.

    He jumped out of his car and hurled invectives at this woman. She didn’t know who he was and told him to “go around her.” But he wouldn’t. He had to make a huge scene. She then pulled up next to my car and said, “What on earth is his problem? He could easily have gone around me.”

    Then “Geraldo” Connelly got out of his car in a big huff and took down the license number of her County Car.

    He has a real reputation, but sadly Fairfax County voters have become so liberal, he will easily win his election.

    Here’s what the social-science types might call a “natural experiment”: have one county take a hard line on illegal immigration. Have the adjacent county adopt a sanctuary policy. What happens to crime rates as a result?

    I’ve noticed that gang graffiti has increased a lot in the past year in even very nice areas of the County, since the Prince William illegals have moved into out County. I call the Police Department every time I see a new piece of gang graffiti. They just want me to report it to VDOT, so they don’t have to deal with it. We have very incompetent police officers in Fairfax County. It is because they have become so emasculated by liberal policies and “multicultural” hiring practices.

    By the way if you live in the Springfield District of Fairfax County (that is parts of Burke, West Springfield, Fairfax Station, Clifton, and Fairfax) we have a Republican County supervisor; complain about the increase of graffiti and crime to him. Maybe he will do something about it if bugged enough by citizens:

    http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/springfield/bio.htm

  49. #387928
    On July 27th, 2008 at 3:53 pm, PatriotRider said:

    Hey! I know! We could have Glenda (the good witch) go around and ask, “Are you a good illegal or a bad illegal?” and then sit around knowing the problem has been dealt with.

    OOOrrrr… we can let the federal authorities do their jobs starting with the bad ones first. I would add with extreme predjudice but I fear I might be labled a racist. So I won’t because I didn’t so there.

    PS-Bite me La Raza!

  50. #387940
    On July 27th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, JT said:

    The whole goal of the libs is to turn the people into liberal voters. If liberals cared about crime, they’d have fixed Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Newark, Camden, Philadelphia, DC, before we had an immigration problem.

    The liberal elite long for a ruling one party state. Increasing the proletariat with more victims, is way the socialist libs are trying to achieve it.

  51. #387948
    On July 27th, 2008 at 4:47 pm, JHSII said:

    So, pretty much what common sense tells you would happen, then.

    Common sense in the United States government? Where? When did this happen? Why didn’t someone tell me?!!

    The liberals won’t let common sense into the government. It would destroy their base.

  52. #387954
    On July 27th, 2008 at 5:04 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    At that kind of crime rate trend it won’t be long until Fairfax county turns into a complete hell hole. I would expect that as the pickings there dry up the criminals will start raiding counties like Prince William. I hope the good people are prepared for that – armed to the teeth.

  53. #387959
    On July 27th, 2008 at 5:12 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:10 am, ajmontana said:

    We give Mexico 1.6 Billion dollars and all they do is poop all over us and want expect more for doing Nothing in return.

    perhaps you are overlooking the strategic point…. one day we will take their petroleum reserves from them and they will never see it coming.

    Consider this all a down payment

  54. #387966
    On July 27th, 2008 at 5:39 pm, Papa Louie said:

    the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, heard three hours of often emotional testimony. Women whose husbands are being detained talked about their longing to be reunited…

    You could get the same testimony from wives of other men detained for criminal activity. Should we empty our prisons so wives can be reunited with lawbreaking husbands? Or should we enforce our laws to protect the public and let those who choose to risk illegal behavior suffer the consequences?

    I don’t suppose the Hispanic Caucus took testimony from the wives of Ignacio Ramos or Jose Campeon, did they? Why is their story any less heartbreaking?

  55. #387974
    On July 27th, 2008 at 5:49 pm, Silkyinfamous said:

    Oh my, a corrolation between illegal immigration and an increase in crime. Really, when is action going to take place. It seems these politicians are afraid of making policy. Or perhaps, they live excusively away from these neighborhoods where illegals thrive and don’t realize the haphazards effects.

    They(Our uninvited guests) have nothing to lose and everything to gain in this country.

    Let’s start making them have something to lose. I’m tired of this “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” Policy on these lawbreakers.

  56. #387986
    On July 27th, 2008 at 6:01 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Liberals love Sanctuary Cities. It makes them feel warm and fuzzy to help illegals enjoy a better life than they would have if they were deported. But when people improve their standard of living they tend to produce more CO2. So, when liberals finally realize they have to choose between “saving the planet” and saving lawbreakers from the law, which will they choose? It’s a tough choice – for liberals.

  57. #387989
    On July 27th, 2008 at 6:10 pm, Rob said:

    … we can let the federal authorities do their jobs starting with the bad ones first. I would add with extreme prejudice but I fear I might be labeled a racist.

    Racist may just be something we are going to have to accept being called if we are going to be able to discuss things and actually move forward on the illegal alien invasion.

    Just like blacks have embraced the word nigger, we may have to embrace the word racist… write songs where we shout it out, wear shirts with racist it on the back. Give each high fives and yell, “Yo, racist, wat up homie g?” It will become a word that only we can use when we talk about each other and non-racists can’t use it!

  58. #387990
    On July 27th, 2008 at 6:12 pm, twoninerkilo said:

    Now understand this; I have no compassion for illegal aliens. They could all eat $hit and die for all I care. You can call me a racist, or just one pi$$ed off, fed up white man; I could care less. Got that!

  59. #387994
    On July 27th, 2008 at 6:19 pm, gayle said:

    Wow! Twoninerkilo!

    LOL! Got that from Steele Magnolias??
    haha!

    I feel the same way.

    I was just a tad more ladylike!

    To the above poster who suggested I take pictures. YUCK!
    I’d be charged with voyeurism instead of the illegal for indecent exposure.

    I saw one man urinating beside his truck at a Walmart store. He saw me noticing too and did not blink an eye.

    Guess that why there are so many mud puddles in their yards.

  60. #387999
    On July 27th, 2008 at 6:34 pm, brooklyn red said:

    twoninerkilo said, …or just one pi$$ed off, fed up white man; I could care less.

    Pi$$ed off enough to get behind a national ID program??

    Just askin…

  61. #388009
    On July 27th, 2008 at 6:58 pm, verogolfer said:

    Yes, liberal pro-immigration folks will never let facts stand get in their way. They will just ignore the statistics.

  62. #388023
    On July 27th, 2008 at 7:29 pm, ptg said:

    Postville. The town that gave the old saw “dumber than a post” its meaning.

  63. #388026
    On July 27th, 2008 at 7:36 pm, starlightwoman said:

    Cut the funding, once these cities realize that there piece of the federal pie is gone based upon their decision to be a sanctuary city, it’s amazing how fast they will fall in line.

  64. #388044
    On July 27th, 2008 at 8:08 pm, rooster said:

    On July 27th, 2008 at 6:12 pm, twoninerkilo said:
    Now understand this; I have no compassion for illegal aliens. They could all eat $hit and die for all I care. You can call me a racist, or just one pi$$ed off, fed up white man; I could care less. Got that!

    Please, tell us how you really feel. In all fairness, I couldn’t have said it any better than what you have.
    When will the corrupt media and politicians be held accountable for their treasonous behavior against the USA?

  65. #388055
    On July 27th, 2008 at 8:58 pm, Azygos said:

    You could try Broadway and Gilbert Roads in Mesa, Arizona. Get your prescriptions filled at the farmacia.

    AN how about 22st and Southern?

    You forgot to tell him make sure he has a gun.

    Here in Peoria we regularly hear gunshots at night. Because of an incident a few months ago where I chased four guys off by grabbing my 45 I now arm myself to take out the trash. This is no way to live.

  66. #388063
    On July 27th, 2008 at 9:20 pm, thefoundingfathers said:

    I had to do a fire investigation in Springfield, VA in a residential home in a residential very nice neighborhood. The home had a daycare center.

    The fire did not do too much damage. We noticed the basement steps had been sealed off to the upstairs and the basement doors were locked with different set of keys. We were able to get in and found the basement was configured into 10 small rooms with two bathrooms and a kitchen area. The rooms were occupied by hispanic tenants and they did not appear to be here legally. There was also a large addition being added. The permits were only for the shell but not to finish the interior. I suspect the addition was for more “rooms” and would have been finished without the permits.

    The insurance company reps were not very happy, because they were supposed to be insuring a single family residence.

  67. #388071
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:11 pm, Gabe said:

    The insurance company reps were not very happy, because they were supposed to be insuring a single family residence.

    TheFoundingFathers,

    I used to work for the County. I don’t work for the County anymore, so I have no fear about being fired or anything by exposing all the corruption there. In one department (Permits) I worked in, there were 8 supervisors for 12 employees, 3 of which did absolutely NOTHING. One just played video games all day.

    Another section I worked in (I was working for the County while working on an Master of Education (Tax Administration), so I could quit and start teaching, which I have), I had to walk an older section of houses in North Springfield. The County had us take pictures of fronts and backs of houses to bust anyone who had things on the houses that weren’t being taxed. Tax Admin is actually walking EVERY neighborhood in Fairfax County to increase revenue. They have been doing this for 3 years now, so in the next 3 years, all the neighborhoods will have been walked.

    THAT is the extent that Fairfax County cares about anything–to get more taxes. In the neighborhood I walked in North Springfield, there were houses that had numerous cars and families living in one house. The older citizens, many of whom lived in the neighborhood for decades, were constantly complaining to me about the zoning violations.

    When you walk townhouse neighborhoods, townhouse after townhouse is for sale because of foreclosures by the illegals that Wachovia and other banks stupidly gave mortgages to.

    But “Geraldo” Connelly does NOTHING about these violations. Why? He simply cares about tax revenue. PLUS, all the Hispanics are voting. I know this for a fact. Guess which party the Hispanics are voting for? So what incentive does “Geraldo” Connelly have to do anything about illegals?

  68. #388073
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:16 pm, Gabe said:

    Another section I worked in (I was working for the County while working on an Master of Education (Tax Administration),

    Clarification: I was working for a Master of Education in the evenings and working in Tax Administration. . .not working on a Master of Education in Tax Administration, though I can definitely see Fairfax County inventing something like that.

    What a corrupt County! I think there are about 16,000 employees, and yet they can’t tax us citiznes high enough for all these employees, half of which could easily be laid off to save citizens taxes.

  69. #388078
    On July 27th, 2008 at 10:37 pm, see-dubya said:

    Wow..I hope this anti-Connolly animus will translate into contributions to his Republican opponent.

    Gabe, comment #48:

    We have very incompetent police officers in Fairfax County. It is because they have become so emasculated by liberal policies and “multicultural” hiring practices.

    Incompetent, or…just on the other side?

    #64—that’s pretty scary that it has gotten that way in Peoria.

    #52–I’m having a couple of quotes from alarm companies for my new home in suburban Fairfax county. I see the writing on the wall, and it says “Chinga tu madre”.

    Plus I’m serious about this sort of thing. And I would guess a lot of my neighbors are, too.

  70. #388087
    On July 27th, 2008 at 11:19 pm, Gabe said:

    Incompetent, or…just on the other side?

    The best thing to do is to constantly pester the Board of Supervisors in person about the grafitti problem and the fact that we taxpayers are going to have to pay for thousands of new illegals in the public school system from illegals moving here from Prince William. If you email them your concerns, they don’t do anything about it:

    http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/government/board/

    The graffiti problem is getting extremely annoying. http://www.bvbl.net I reported to the police graffiti along the sound barriers on Ox and Lee Chapel, the Fairfax County Parkway and Lee Chapel and Waterline Drive and the Parkway. I was going down the list, and the police woman became impatient and claimed that she couldn’t imagine that the police had not already taken note of it.

    My question is: Are they not patrolling the Fairfax County Parkway? How can anyone get away with elaborate graffiti and not be caught? She said it was VDOT’s responsibility to clear the graffiti.

    That is “Geraldo” Connelly and the Fairfax County police’s solution to everything: pin the blame on the state, the Federal Government, anyone but themselves for encouraging a sanctuary county.

    Wow..I hope this anti-Connolly animus will translate into contributions to his Republican opponent.

    I hope so, but I doubt that Connelly will lose because Fairfax County has become so liberal.

  71. #388217
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:06 am, DaveC said:

    Next up: Harley “Bubba” Drinkwater of Idabel, Oklahoma testifies before Congress that a DEA raid on the meth lab he was running out of his basement has severely “downgraded” the value of his property.

    Since when did trailers have basements?

  72. #388238
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:23 am, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    My hope is that Mrs. Bologna who lost her husband and both sons to an illegal gang member has connections with some otherwise reputable criminal organization and that this reputable criminal organization is willing to take on the disreputable bunch of criminals in City Hall.

  73. #388243
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:32 am, sonofdy said:

    HOW DARE THEY ENFORCE THE LAW!!!

    /liberal freakout mode off

  74. #388262
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:56 am, MacUser said:

    I live in PWC… There is still A LOT of work that needs to be done here. Hopefully the trend to fight illegal immegration will continue and the crime and other problems will continue to decline, but there is so much pushing for illegal immegration to continue, I have a really hard time holding out hope. We have both political parties ignoring the issue. We have major incentives for them to come here still: Free Healthcare, Free birthing including pre-natal care and car seats when they leave the hospital, Free baby formula, amazing (compared to mexico) free schools, food stamps, welfare, and coutless other minority benifits that an average white-guy like me would never qualify for… Add in a Catholic church that is heavily funding the legal fees for people fighing deportations and the take-over is all but complete.

    (Sorry for the rant…)

    I think the whole “Press 1 for English” and the easy availability of spanish speaking TV channels and spanish speaking businesses is making the whole “assimilation” into the US culture, a thing of the past. Going forward we are going to have these cultural divisions, and they are going to cause big problems.

  75. #388389
    On July 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, John Ansell said:
  76. #388397
    On July 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, James Felix said:

    Are 5 or 10% responsible for 41% of the crime?

    Generally speaking it’s a truism that a small, recidivist minority is responsible for a disproportionaite amount of crime. I suspect the same is true among illegals (except of course for the crime they’re all committing by being here).

  77. #409444
    On August 15th, 2008 at 11:52 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    We don’t have that problem in Tulsa County, OK. Our Sheriff Stanley Glanz has partnered with I.C.E. on immigration enforcement. This is from the 2007 Annual Report:

    On September 18, 2007, twenty-eight Tulsa
    County Sheriff’s Office personnel consisting of
    deputies and detention officers, graduated from a
    Federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement
    Academy (ICE), which was held at the David L. Moss
    Criminal Justice Center. The five week training in
    Immigration law, fraudulent document identification
    and other related immigration courses prepared the
    officers to assume their new federal authority as ICE
    officers under 287(g). This section of the Immigration
    Nationality Act (INA) authorizes Federal authority
    to State officers and employees to investigate, apprehend
    and detain those aliens found to be in violation of
    Federal immigration law. The TCSO is the only nonfederal
    law enforcement entity in the State of Oklahoma
    with this authority and one of the few agencies throughout
    the entire country with 287(g) authority.
    287(g) Statistical Data for 2007:
    DETAINERS LODGED: (Equates to detainers
    placed on illegal aliens.)
    September – 107
    October – 116
    November – 110
    December – 109
    Total – 442
    Number of aliens transported from DLMCJC to
    ICE custody:
    September – 104
    October – 123
    November – 96
    December – 102
    Total – 425
    Aliens processed: (Information provided by ICE
    staff detailed to the DLMCJC and equates to Alien files
    completed for the removal of an alien or to place into
    immigration proceedings.)
    Sept. (09/16-09/30) October November December Total
    41 114 96 88 339
    Mexico 37 102 81 77 297
    Guatemala 01 04 07 07 19
    Honduras 02 05 04 03 14
    El Salvador 01 02 01 01 05
    Peru 02 02
    Vietnam 01 01
    Yemen 01 01
    Charges Alien Was Booked Into DLMCJC on:
    Sept. (09/16-09/30) October November December Total
    A&B 10 10 02 10 32
    Alcohol (P.I.) 16 36 23 25 100
    B&E 0 0 01 0 01
    Drugs 26 37 28 11 102
    DUI 08 21 20 30 79
    Firearms 04 06 08 03 21
    Fraud 01 02 04 02 09
    ICE/287(g) 02 09 03 03 17
    Larceny 01 09 01 01 12
    Murder 0 0 0 0 0
    Robbery 0 0 0 0 0
    Sex Crimes 01 02 09 0 12
    Traffic 100 215 249 199 763
    Trepass 0 01 01 0 02

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