Nancy Pelosi defends San Francisco values…silent on S.F.’s bloody sanctuary legacy

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 28, 2008 03:16 PM

Just how out of touch is Nancy Pelosi?

Go look at her defense of San Francisco values, if you must.

See what’s missing?

Not a word about the San Francisco values that led to illegal alien Honduran crack dealers getting subsidized escort shuttle service back home to escape deportation and proseuction.

Not a word about the San Francisco values that led to illegal alien drug lords getting sent down and dumped on San Bernardino group homes– only to walk out of them scot-free.

Not a word about the San Francisco values that gave bloody sanctuary to the illegal alien killer of the Bologna family.

Illegal alien sanctuary policies have been an inhumane curse on untold numbers of families in the Bay Area.

Let’s hear about those San Francisco values, Nan.

Nan?

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  1. #388663
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pm, Barry F. said:

    Let’s hear about those San Francisco values, Nan.

    Nan?

    *crickets*

  2. #388671
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:20 pm, zorro said:

    Let’s hear about those San Francisco values, Nan.

    She doesn’t have the guts to address those issues. Like most democraps, she is a coward.

  3. #388674
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, California Conservative said:

    What else can you say. It’s clear that reality escapes these people. Maybe in their ivory towers they don’t see or feel the effects of illegal immigration, but regular people do. Liberals simply do not operate on facts.

  4. #388677
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm, letget said:

    Michelle,
    Every time I see that picture of Nan you use, she looks like someone just told her the FDC had banned botox. I doubt she or any other politician in San Francisco cares one bit about the sanctuary and the harm they are doing.
    L

  5. #388678
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, atheling said:

    This woman will go down in history as one of the worst Senators ever to serve in that House, if not the worst.

    Not only is she a coward, she is a stupid one, at that. I remember after President Bush gave a State of the Union address, she gave her customary response as Speaker of the House, and all she could do was blink in front of the camera and stammer, “He must be stopped. He simply must be stopped”. That was the mantra of her entire response. No reason why, no details, just “He must be stopped”. It was amazing.

  6. #388686
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, twiggman said:

    With the notion that I’m about to insult pigs…SHE IS A PIG!!!

  7. #388688
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, chapoutier said:

    This woman will go down in history as one of the worst Senators ever to serve in that House, if not the worst.

    Huh?

  8. #388689
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, Barry F. said:

    In San Francisco we respect the dignity and worth of every person and respect is the order of the day there.

    Except for conservatives, the military and others they choose not to “respect.”

    Issues like protecting the environment aren’t issues for us — they are values and ethics.

    a.k.a. a tenet of their religion

    But what they are really afraid of is economic justice.

    a.k.a. income redistribution

    thank god (sic) there are a few of them that vote with us on the issues.

    a.k.a. RINOs

    Anybody besides me notice that they couldn’t bring themselves to capitalize God as a proper noun?

  9. #388691
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, chapoutier said:

    I suspect it is merely a typo. Having watched atheling post for a while, I believe the difference is known.

  10. #388692
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, sonofdy said:

    chapoutier: Maybe the worst is not accurate but pretty bad. She has failed to produce almost anything she promised. Corruption is just as high as every and she has failed to regin in spending. She blames all of her problems on republicans yet SHE has the majority. She is a worthless leader.

  11. #388693
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, atheling said:

    Whoops, I should have said chamber.

  12. #388694
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, Ty85719 said:

    The city of San Francisco should be denied ALL federal funding and brought to court by the federal government

  13. #388697
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:38 pm, chapoutier said:

    Whoops, I should have said chamber.

    I hope you are kidding.

  14. #388699
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:42 pm, Ron Rockstar said:

    San Transisco has a fair for their “values” every year. They hold it on Folsom Street. They have a “right” to entice your son into street sex, but the Military doesn’t have a right to offer him a career. I am pretty sure these are Nancy Botoxi’s values as well.

  15. #388700
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, FruNobulux said:

    Are the First 100 Days over yet? How’d they do?

    Maybe it’s hard for them (including Barry “8 or 10 years” O’Bama) to operate a calendar.

  16. #388701
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, J S Ragman said:

    “San Francisco values to me means that every child in our city has health insurance until they are 25 years old the age that most people are considered adults. San Francisco values say we don’t have a minimum wage, we have a living wage an ever-increasing share of your wallet. In San Francisco we respect the dignity and worth of every person, whether they are here legally or not and respect is the order of the day there. Issues like protecting the environment aren’t issues for us — they are values and ethics yet another way for us to scam you out of your hard-earned dollar.

    “I think they highlight them because they are the forces that are fighting health insurance for our children… more government giveaways. . . they are the forces that are fighting increases in the minimum wage for those who shouldn’t be here in the first place but vote Democrat. And they are the forces who are actually fighting the war on terror. So when they sort of use their winks and nods about San Francisco values, they are talking about the fact that we respect our gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community disgusting public displays of sexual deviance. But what they are really afraid of is economic justice the prospect of the “wealthy” paying more than 58% of every tax dollar collected, as they do now.

    There you go, Nan. Fixed those couple of things for you.

  17. #388702
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, evilned said:

    Barry F. said:
    Let’s hear about those San Francisco values, Nan.

    Nan?
    *crickets*

    Here ya go, fixed it for ya. :)

  18. #388705
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:44 pm, atheling said:

    You want to debate disconnects, chapoutier the Pharisee lawyer?

    While you strain a gnat, how about the camel you let through?

    You are a lawyer. You took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

    You vote for people who are socialists – who violate the rights delineated in that Constitution and its amendments, therefore you have broken your oath. That makes you a scumbag. Indeed, the Founding Fathers would have had people like you tarred and feathered.

    But of course, to mercenary scum like you, that means nothing.

    Traitor.

  19. #388712
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, Barry F. said:

    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, evilned said:

    Thanks, Ned. ;-)

    I had lost the link to the .wav file I had like that. :lol:

  20. #388717
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:51 pm, chapoutier said:

    Wow. Way to overreact, atheling.

    i just think it is interesting that you expect anyone to take what you have to say about Pelosi seriously when you don’t even know what chamber she works in.

    I fully thought it was just a stupid typo the first time. And I even tried to give you an out with my “tell me you are joking” comment.

    But in any case, maybe you should go read up on Nancy, and/or develop a basic understanding about how our bicameral Congress works (its right in the Constitution! Ya know….the one you profess to be such an expert on?) before embarrassing yourself further.

  21. #388719
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:53 pm, Southpaw said:

    “One has to be a lowbrow, a bit of a murderer, to be a politician, ready and willing to see people sacrificed, slaughtered, for the sake of an idea, whether a good one or a bad one.”

    Henry Miller (1891-1980) American author.

  22. #388722
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:54 pm, atheling said:

    Chapoutier:

    You’re the one who needs to read up on the Constitution, Pharisee. Start with the First and Second Amendments.

    Now, attempt to figure out why you, who took an oath to uphold that document, are voting for Obama.

    Traitor.

  23. #388725
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:56 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    before embarrassing yourself further.

    Embarrassing? Swearing to uphold the Constitution while spitting all over it in word and deed is embarrassing. Any liberal who tries to destroy the second amendment or work to make it impossible to use those rights like the liberals in D.C., NYC, Chicago, and San Fran and then claims to uphold the Constitution is a laughable joke worthy of being tried for obstruction of justice and a traitor to this nation for attempting to subvert the Constitution.

  24. #388727
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:58 pm, FruNobulux said:

    What strikes me as funny is all the “dumb Bush” stuff we’ve had to listen to for years, and Rocket Scientist Nancy can’t “end the war” with a majority in both houses, and in fact gets whupped by Pres. Bush on funding the war effort and FISA (inter alia). If he’s Mr. Monkey Man, what does that make Reid & Pelosi?

    I guess if O’Bama gets elected, we can take some, perhaps cold, solace in the fact that he’s likely to be such a s*ftc*ck that he and “our” elected representatives will disappear up their own nether regions and be completely unable to more forward with their Marxist agenda.

  25. #388728
    On July 28th, 2008 at 3:59 pm, chapoutier said:

    Say what you want about me. It is just as idiotic and ill-informed as your views on Pelosi’s employment.

    For some reason, I am reminded of this when I think of you.

  26. #388729
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, jsr said:

    In San Francisco we respect the dignity and worth of every person and respect is the order of the day there.

    In my one-week visit to the city I saw more random hatred towards Christians prominently displayed on signs, bumper-stickers, flyers and graffiti than I have seen in my entire life seen publically displayed towards minorities, gays, immigrants etc… That is the order of the day that I saw.

  27. #388730
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, atheling said:

    Alaskangrizzly:

    Worthier men have been tarred and feathered for their treachery. At least some of them did it out of a misguided sense of loyalty to some kind of principle (i.e. allegiance to King George III).

    The Pharisee does it out of pure greed.

  28. #388731
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, FruNobulux said:

    more=move

  29. #388733
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, chapoutier said:

    You took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

    I was secretly crossing my fingers behind my back, so I’m good. Don’t worry.

  30. #388739
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, vickisoup said:

    Dear atheling:
    Nancy Pelosi is not a Senator; she’s a Congresswoman. I think that’s what chapoutier was getting at.
    ;-)

  31. #388740
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, atheling said:

    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, chapoutier said:

    Wow, you are such a great lawyer. Such gravitas in your responses!

    You must have some real dimwits for clients if they are paying for your services… I bet your legal malpractice insurance premium is sky high…

  32. #388741
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, chapoutier said:

    Congrats atheling. You have officially replaced Goldwater as the most rabid, unhinged poster on this board. Just try to stay away from any high powered rifles and clock towers till you’ve taken your meds, okay?

    The Pharisee does it out of pure greed.

    I love this. I thought if Obama was elected all our taxes would go up, everyone would be sucked dry, etc… Wouldn’t that be working directly against my greedy nature?

    Try to be consistent in your ramblings.

  33. #388742
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, no2pcbs1 said:

    pelosi and reid are controlled by two brain cells, one fighting the other for control of both bodies. what a waste of space these two cretins are.

  34. #388743
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, atheling said:

    Yikes, vickiesoup:

    I stand corrected! And thank you.

  35. #388746
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:08 pm, Barry F. said:

    In my many years, I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two useless men are a law firm, and three or more is a congress.” – John Adams

    I borrowed that from atheling on another thread. It seems fitting here for some reason. ;-)

  36. #388748
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:09 pm, sonofdy said:

    I thought if Obama was elected all our taxes would go up

    They will, or he will not be able to keep all his promises. The only way he can hand out all those goodies is to rasie taxes or borrow more.

  37. #388750
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:09 pm, atheling said:

    Barry F:

    Chapoutier has proven the second, and of course, we have ample proof of the third!

  38. #388753
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:10 pm, Surveyor said:

    Fancy Nancy’s husband runs a construction firm. He needs all the illegals he can get. ICE needs to raid his business and publicly embarrass Nancy and then the FBI should look into ALL the city and federal contracts he has to insure he got those bids fair and square. Something tells me his bitter-half has probably pulled strings for him somewhere, sometime.

  39. #388755
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:11 pm, no2pcbs1 said:

    san francisco, the septic tank for northern california.

  40. #388757
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:12 pm, The_Livewire said:

    #29 ok that made me laugh. You and i don’t agree on much. but that was funny.

    Athling. Please fess up to your error in putting Speaker Pelosi in the wrong chamber and relax. Medication optional.

    As to the body of the speech, I firmly believe that if San Fransisco belives this, then we should let them live by their beliefs. Pull federal funding now.

  41. #388758
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:13 pm, atheling said:

    Livewire:

    #34.

  42. #388762
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, John Ansell said:

    Fancy Nancy’s husband runs a construction firm

    And a restaurant. Meet the hypocrite Pelosi I wonder if Piatti hired illegals.

  43. #388765
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, atheling said:

    I wonder if Nancy’s restaurants serve fried food?

  44. #388767
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, atheling said:

    Yup, fried calamari…

  45. #388773
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, The_Livewire said:

    athling thank you. When I posted when #29 was the last post.

  46. #388775
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, bit_boy said:

    San Francisco’s governmental values are despicable but they are Nancy’s based. Guess what, she’s loyal to that base and for that she deserves respect. May I ask what base does McSwish have and to who, what, where, when, how, is he loyal. Oh yes, he is loyal to the photo-opt best garnished by the American flag.

  47. #388783
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, John Ansell said:

    LOL Atheling, another do as I say not as I do.

  48. #388793
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm, atheling said:

    John Ansell:

    Yup. Hypocrisy, thy name is the Democrat Party.

  49. #388811
    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm, Jeddite said:

    >presumptuous< It must be so nice to live in a gated community, or other upscale residence far removed from the dregs of society that plague the common folk. Or, when that’s not enough, to be able to afford guards – or be appointed protection by the taxpayer – to insulate yourself from the problems faced by the average American, eh Nancy?
    >presumptuous<

  50. #388846
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:06 pm, supersean said:

    As a SF native, I can share with Nancy and the other loons that they surely do not represent my values

  51. #388853
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:08 pm, atheling said:

    Jeddite:

    And Nancy couldn’t even tell us what the price of a gallon of gas is.

    It’s one thing to not know the price of a gallon of milk (George H.W. Bush). You’d have to go inside a supermarket to find out, which he apparently had not done in a long time. But to not know the price of a gallon of gas requires blinders when you go outside.

  52. #388877
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pm, John Ansell said:

    Can’t believe it. I was just listening to Sean Hannity kiss McAmnesty’s arse during an interview and not one mention of the Illegal invaders. Not One. When will “concervatives” start demanding McAmnesty fire Juan Hernandez and denounce Amnesty? When will a conservitive ask McAmnesty if he supports cutting federal funding to Sanctuary cities and states?

    The Bologna and Shaw Famiy and the many million like them deserve and answer to that.

  53. #388882
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:31 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Pelosi’s policies & inaction allowed the Bologna family to suffer needless loss. And yet Pelosi doesn’t even pretend to care. I don’t see how she has the nerve to face her constituents in seeking reelection. But then again, she’s a Democrat: there’s nothing beneath them, when it comes to an election!

  54. #388884
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:32 pm, atheling said:

    John Ansell:

    Our government has miserably failed in doing what its basic role is: national security.

    That is reason enough for a revolution, in my book.

  55. #388890
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:35 pm, greenfairie said:

    I saw on Townhall a video where San Fran Freaky Nan call abstinence education “dangerous” and called on more pro-aborts to stop it.

    I don’t think sex ed ought to be in school at all, but it goes to show you more of the San Francisco values of that lil’ Italian Good Catholic Grandma!

  56. #388902
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pm, Les in NC said:

    Can we give a 30 day notice for the sane people of California and then build the d#mn fence on the east side of the state?

  57. #388903
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:41 pm, txvet2 said:

    On July 28th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, bit_boy said:

    Oh yes, he is loyal to the photo-opt best garnished by the American flag.

    You haven’t seen any video of any Obamessiah rallies lately, have you?

  58. #388907
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:43 pm, txvet2 said:

    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pm, John Ansell said:

    When will “concervatives” start demanding McAmnesty fire Juan Hernandez and denounce Amnesty? When will a conservitive ask McAmnesty

    Wow. Sex monz ago, I culdn’t even spel “conservative”, and now I are one.

  59. #388910
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm, Southpaw said:

    Hey, without illegal immigrants, who’s going to pick the grapes up in Napa Valley, wash the dishes at the restaurants in San Francisco and Marin, work the construction jobs in San Francisco and Oakland? All you honest, tax paying American citizens just shut up. There is a corporate/government cleptocracy to support here and they can’t be bothered with messy details, like the slaughter of innocent American citizens.

  60. #388912
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm, John Ansell said:

    LOL Les, let me know when that fence is going up in the east. I don’t want to be trapped with a lot of these people. :lol:

  61. #388916
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:47 pm, John Ansell said:

    Sorry for the typo Texvet2, sure you’ve never made one.

  62. #388925
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:53 pm, txvet2 said:

    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:47 pm, John Ansell said:

    Sorry for the typo Texvet2, sure you’ve never made one.

    Frequently, but I usually clean them up with “preview”. I just thought the juxtaposition of the two different spellings was funny. Sorry if you don’t agree.

  63. #388928
    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pm, Les in NC said:

    On July 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm, John Ansell said:

    I’ll personally pay to get you and yours airlifted out if necessary.

  64. #388943
    On July 28th, 2008 at 6:06 pm, John Ansell said:

    Yes, Texvet2, I should hit the preview button more. :lol:

    Thanks Les NC, I’ll help build that wall too. For the L.A. City leaders to openly oppose Jamiel’s Law say a lot. They rather protect known Illegal alien gang bangers rather than go after them and arrest/deport them. Sick.

  65. #389015
    On July 28th, 2008 at 7:26 pm, DannoJyd said:

    Has anyone heard Juan McAmnesty make any statement concerning S.F.’s bloody sanctuary legacy?

    Anyone?

  66. #389022
    On July 28th, 2008 at 7:30 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    Old Pelotas said:
    “San Francisco values to me means that every child in our city has health insurance until they are 25 years old…”

    Mmmmmmaybe that’s why so many Bay Area twentysomethings act like children. Ya think?

  67. #389030
    On July 28th, 2008 at 7:38 pm, starlightwoman said:

    Maybe we could give San Francisco back to the russians! After all it was there’s at one time!!!

    brewhahahahahahahahaha

  68. #389036
    On July 28th, 2008 at 7:40 pm, tpierce2 said:

    Nancy Pelosi is either as dumb as Barbara Boxer or she thinks of all of us as her San Francico base and thinks we, as citizens in general, are as dumb as the base. Both explanations will work for me.

    The Bologna and Shaw Family should sue San Francisco, the city council and the board of supervisors and that mayor with 1/2 a brain, Gavin Newsom, back into the stone age! I watched Mrs. Bologna on t.v. over the weekend and it was absolutely heart breaking to watch her and to see the faces of her family that were gunned down. All because of those damned liberals and their feel good policies.

  69. #389047
    On July 28th, 2008 at 7:47 pm, chapoutier said:

    That is reason enough for a revolution, in my book.

    Traitor.

  70. #389052
    On July 28th, 2008 at 7:52 pm, Alphonse said:

    Nancy and John McCain should elope to Mexico.

  71. #389062
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:03 pm, John Ansell said:

    tpierce2 said: #68, I heard her on Friday on a local Radio show in Los Angeles. When Jamiel Shaw Sr. called in to speak with her, I am sure anybody listening did not have a dry eye. I bet the illegal invader would have wept. What a real POS. And to think that the invader’s brother is a lawyer backing open borders is another insult.

  72. #389067
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:14 pm, prendad said:

    You have to understand that SanFranNan’s brain is all RAM memory and it dumps every time she blinks. That explains why she cannot string two thoughts together to form a coherent opinion about anything. Oh, do I hear congressional approval ratings dropping again? Is it possible for them to go negative?

  73. #389069
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:15 pm, Rob said:

    Can you imagine having such an ignorant, self-absorbed old woman as your grandma.

  74. #389078
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:23 pm, Southpaw said:

    That is reason enough for a revolution, in my book.

    Traitor. Patriot

  75. #389083
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:28 pm, chapoutier said:

    Traitor. Patriot

    Only if you win.

  76. #389097
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:43 pm, Southpaw said:

    Traitor. Patriot
    Only if you win.

    I’d rather be a dead patriot than living and subjugated.

    “Don’t tread on me”

  77. #389098
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:44 pm, dakine said:

    chap, I believe atheling may be guilty of sedition in her comment #54. Under the Smith Act it is a federal crime to

    “knowingly or willfully advocate, abet, advise or teach the duty, necessity, desirability or propriety of overthrowing the Government of the United States or of any State by force or violence, or for anyone to organize any association which teaches, advises or encourages such an overthrow, or for anyone to become a member of or to affiliate with any such association.”

    Atheling long ago surpassed seige (aka, Goldwater Knight) as the most unhinged and delusional poster on this site. Full of bluster and demagoguery. I believe she’s actually being extremely un-American when she suggests that anyone who votes for Obama is a “traitor”. I’ll be voting for McCain, but won’t consider the millions of voters who vote for Obama to be traitors. I’ll simply be grateful that I live in a country where all us are free to exercise our right to vote for the candidate of choice. Quite astonishing that someone would actually suggest that someone who supports Obama is a “traitor”. How unbelievably arrogant and offensive.

  78. #389100
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:45 pm, dakine said:

    “the candidate of our choice”. Sorry.

  79. #389101
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:46 pm, chapoutier said:

    I’d rather be a dead patriot than living and subjugated.

    Careful with that talk or you’ll find yourself considered an “enemy combatant”, whisked away for “rendition” and be subject to “interrogation.”

  80. #389106
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:53 pm, Jaded said:

    You see people like Pelosi will never have to worry about illegals in their neighborhoods killing them….which is why they are “above” these issues which effect us little people….the woman is a tramp!

  81. #389110
    On July 28th, 2008 at 8:56 pm, atheling said:

    I guess the Pharisee and the Scribe never heard of the Declaration of Independence.

    “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience [has] shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” –Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:429

    “Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery.” –Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. (*) ME 1:193, Papers 1:125

    “The oppressed should rebel, and they will continue to rebel and raise disturbance until their civil rights are fully restored to them and all partial distinctions, exclusions and incapacitations are removed.” –Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:548

  82. #389115
    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:02 pm, Boomer said:

    The arrogance of our elected officials that no longer obey, support, or defend the rule of law given by the U.S. Constitution are driving many of us to visit another famous document that lead to the creation of this country:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    The abuses and usurpations of the 110th Congress are quickly equaling those of George III and his feckless Parliament. Many of these arrogant fools now consider themselves to be royalty above the law of the unwashed masses, which continue to bend all of us over due to voter fraud and/or just plain stupidity of the uninformed sheeple. We have very little hope of throwing them out of office via the ballot box, because if the liberals lose they take it to the courts until they find a friendly liberal judge to legislate from the bench. If talk of rising up to do something about this rapid decline of the country I love and the desecration of the document I have sworn to protect and defend for over 30 years is a violation of the Smith Act I guess that makes me just as guilty as anyone else willing to fight to the death against these abuses.

  83. #389117
    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:02 pm, atheling said:

    Parse this, Pharisee:

    “Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really against one’s country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former, because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries.” –Thomas Jefferson

  84. #389120
    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:08 pm, chapoutier said:

    Oh I am well aware, traitor. I am also aware that, from Britain’s perspective, all of our founding fathers were guilty of treason right up until the point that they won and would have been punished for such had the lost.

    But by all means. Feel free to start your revolution and see how far you get. But don’t wuss out. Do it old school. Raise real arms against the US and see how quickly those US soldiers I am sure you profess to love take you down like they do any other enemy combatant. Maybe you and John Walker Lindh can swap dirty bomb recipes in prison.

  85. #389123
    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:12 pm, atheling said:

    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:08 pm, chapoutier said:

    But by all means. Feel free to start your revolution and see how far you get. But don’t wuss out. Do it old school.

    Old school would be my pleasure. I’d first come to your place and have you tarred and feathered, traitorous scum.

    Still no response to the Declaration of Independence, with which you have less than a nodding acquaintance, Pharisee?

  86. #389129
    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:20 pm, chapoutier said:

    Old school would be my pleasure.

    So take up arms against the US, traitor. And if you aren’t killed before you are dragged into court, see how far quoting the Declaration and/or Jefferson gets you. And I am sure Lindh would LOVE to know your thoughts on the subject.

    Come on. At least have the courage of your convictions.

  87. #389132
    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:22 pm, Floyd R. Turbo said:

    I may be wrong, so please advise me if so. But. As I recall, we have the raging incompetence and insolence of Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid because…back in the election of ‘06, assorted Republicans across this land decided to express their disgust and general p***ed off-ness against the Republicans in Washington D.C. (and other selected sites). They did this by going to the polls and casting their votes for candidates other than those running as Republicans. Now, I think we all agree that they were very correct in their various grievances against the Republicans in WDC, for their screwups are and continue to be horrendous and numerous. However, what they accomplished was to give the congress pretty solidly over to the Dems and we are now drinking the results, i.e., San Fran Nan and Dingey Harry (and their fellow incompetents, which also are many). So, really, it seems to me that the result speaks VOLUMES about what some of those same Repubs are about to do to “show those RINOS a thing or two” and not support John McCain. I see Casey Jones at the control of ol’ #9 screaming down the same track to that same horrendous train wreck, which this time could very well give them all three branches of government, which will REALLY put us in a PICKLE of hugemongusgantuan proportions. Or am I remembering somewhat fuzzily, the recent past events? I am open to correction, my fellow posters. I stand (sitting actually) ready to receive your slings and arrows of outrageous rebuke. Or applause as the case may warrant.

  88. #389140
    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:39 pm, dakine said:

    Atheling, don’t be so dense. If you want to start an armed insurrection against the US government, you’ll need a new declaration. THE Declaration of Independence was written and signed in connection with a specific revolution…you know, the one by American colonists against the British. You are un-American.

  89. #389151
    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:56 pm, atheling said:

    Wow, Pharisee. You are some lawyer.

    I label you a traitor because you broke your oath to uphold the Constitution, and you, in turn, call me a traitor. Kind of like PeeWee Herman, “I know you are, but what am I?”

    I bet you’re hilarious to watch in the courtroom. “You’re honor, she called me names!” or, “No, YOU ARE!” Hell, even dakine the Scribe has a bigger vocabulary than you do, though it’s just by one word. You two together can’t even manage to avoid sounding a kid in a schoolyard, “Oh yeah? Make me!”

    Yawn.

  90. #389153
    On July 28th, 2008 at 9:57 pm, atheling said:

    dakine:

    You forgot to use the word “sanctimonious” somewhere in your comment.

    Yeah, and your opinion means something. /sarc

  91. #389154
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:00 pm, chapoutier said:

    No. As you recall, you called me a traitor for daring to vote for a Democratic candidate. You are a traitor for proposing insurrection against the US government.

    We’ll see who ends up with an FBI file and who doesn’t.

  92. #389156
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:03 pm, JohnHolliday said:

    During the mayoral campaign that elected Gavin Newsome, one of the candidates, Matt Gonzalez was furious about the Republicans being able to vote. He said, “This race is going to be determined by the Republican vote!”

    Mostly because, as the typical wack-a-doodle socialist in the race, no intelligent person would vote for him. So he knew the Republican vote would be for Newsome. That rankled him no end, much to my amusement.

    However, his statements were broadcast on the evening news. I immediately noticed the typical lack of SF “journalistic” follow through. The reporter didn’t ask the obvious question: “Mr. Gonzalez, are you saying the Republicans shouldn’t be allowed to vote in this election?” Regardless of his answer, the next question should have been, “Don’t you believe in our two-party system?”

    That’s the type of “values” that spew from San Francisco.

  93. #389159
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:05 pm, The_Livewire said:

    Chap,

    What is a citizen to do when the government becomes something less than it was intended? When we have a congress that avoids debate, courts that legislate, and executives that steal from their own people?

    The first ammendment is tattered and torn. The second was almost decomissioned and I don’t know how close we are to having the others gutted.

    even our right to petition is being torn away, so that’s no hope.

  94. #389162
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pm, JohnHolliday said:

    Got another one.

    During the hotel workers strike in SF a while back, a friend saw and heard this exchange between a hotel patron and a member of the hotel workers union in the picket line.

    The picketers were very noisy and the hotel patron leaned out his window at 6:30am and requested they be quiet. He’d put in a long night and wanted to sleep in. The response from the diversity-proud, non-racist, democrat union member? “Shut the f*** up, NI**ER!”

    The hotel patron was african-american.

    Gotta love those liberal values!

  95. #389168
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:26 pm, Jaded said:

    “chapoutier said:
    No. As you recall, you called me a traitor for daring to vote for a Democratic candidate.”

    I take exception to something you said, specifically Democratic candidate….they are Democrats because there is nothing Democratic about them…so when arguing in the future please utilize the correct name of the party you are blinded by….thank you.

  96. #389170
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    You betcha Jaded. You betcha.

    I would be careful about getting too cozy defending atheling, though. Never know how loosely the government will define “conspiracy to commit treason.”

  97. #389174
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:39 pm, Jaded said:

    Not defending him just pointing out what really irks me and that is you and everyone else who uses Democratic when discussing the Democrats…..it is just wrong because it implies that Republicans are not “democratic”
    ….your post just happened to be the one I saw with it…nothing on you man.

  98. #389180
    On July 28th, 2008 at 10:50 pm, Jaded said:

    You know though capoutier it occurs to me that you are saying our government under your President Obama is going to be “watching” posters on conservative websites and coming after them….like brownshirts….might you be saying that because the Imitation Christ is talking about a civilian security force?

    “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” I suppose the netroots will be running this security force?

    http://www.babalublog.com/archives/009042.html

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