The Tennessee church shootings
I was unplugged over the weekend and am catching up on the horrible church shooting in Tennessee. Two churchgoers died and seven were injured as they watched a children’s performance yesterday in Knoxville:
The gunman was tackled by church-goers and taken into custody by police. He was charged later with first-degree murder, but police declined to give a motive for the shooting and the Tennessean newspaper said his motive remained unknown.
Jim D. Adkisson, 58, of Powell, Tennessee, was being held on a $1 million bond at the Knox County Detention Center, said Randall Kenner, communications coordinator for the city of Knoxville.
The gunman apparently concealed a 12-gauge shotgun until he entered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church and then fired several shots before being subdued, police said.
Initial reports said the gunman targeted the church because he hated Christians. The latest developments have revealed a four-page letter he wrote expressing hatred towards liberals and gays.
Whatever his motives, this man committed evil acts in a house of God. He will be judged accordingly.
Bob Owens zeroes in on what’s important and gives thanks for small miracles:
While many in the political blogosphere will no doubt focus on the fact that Adkisson said he hated liberals and gays, the fact of the matter is that the didn’t target a gay club or local progressive political groups, he specifically targeted a church. He did so after expressing beliefs to neighbors in the past that he had an abiding anger against Christianity, an anger that appears rooted in his childhood. The church appears to have been targeted because it embodied at least three things this pathetic human being hated, not just the one or two things I know certain critics will single out as they view the world through their own warped prisms.
Adkisson had apparently planned to keep murdering church-goers until gunned down by police. He planned to keep killing innocents until he died in a hail of police bullets… suicide-by-cop. But he was instead tackled and restrained by church-goers just seconds into his attack as he attempted to reload after shooting his shotgun’s magazine dry.
The two people that died were 60 and 61. Those wounded were 38, 41, 42, 68, 69, 71, and 76. Though Adkisson walked past an assembled group of children outside the sanctuary awaiting their stage call, he did not fire on them. No children were physically injured, and no parents of young children were killed, creating orphans. There is reason to be thankful for that…Sunday was a horrible day for the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, and there will be terrible days ahead as they seek to recover, and to heal.
But most will heal, and a day that could have been far worse was not, thanks to small miracles.
Amen.
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If he hated libtards, whey didn’t he go shooting at some college campus?
I smell a rat.
The media will always take advantage of a situation to pillory a conservative whether by direct or indirect means: Police: Killer targeted church for liberal views (courtesy of MSNBC).
The assumption being that he’s a radical right-winger…
Radical, yes. Political affiliation is moot when the subject is a murderous thug.
I’m all for the death penalty but when sick freaks like this plan on going down by suicide-by-cop, it almost makes me wish they get life.
Doesn’t pass the smell test.
Ya know, because of nutcases like this, I have started packing heat when I go to church. I don’t tell anyone in my parish about it, but I am prepared for the event that if some evil bastard attempts to do the same, he will get a head full of lead in return.
First I’m hearing of it too. Condolences to those who have lost loved ones.
My heart goes out to everyone in that church. It just drives the point home that you must be on guard at all times… regardless of where you are.
I pray that I would have the strength to run towards to sound of gunfire, and may God bless those who did.
Well from what I have seen he pretty much hated everyone except a narrow group. Liberal and christian. The guy is just a nut.
Why? Are you aware of the Unitarian Universalist position on homosexuality?
From Wiki:
You know what I think? He didn’t hate liberals. He hated Christians. He wanted to leave the impression that he is a conservative who hates liberals, however, to discredit conservatives.
Evil.
Are you a 9/11 truther too?
Nope, but anyone who is as evil as this guy, to go into a church and shoot up innocent people, is capable of doing something as low as this kind of obfuscation.
You’re just a naive Obamaton, what the hell do you know? Nothing.
Oh, and go back to reading your People magazine, dimwit.
I guess you believe that the first place to look for liberals and gays are at the nearby church….
Thanks to MM who had the courage to cover an act of violence that shows that even Christians (as the shooter was) can kill in the name of hatred.
I know that you just hate the fact this this guy was a conservative nut job. Look both sides have them…deal with it.
Exactly. Why go into a church shooting people, if your beef is with liberals and gays?
Okay, where are the church’s links on their beliefs and their stands on social justice not working or their main page, for that matter?
WBIR, the local NBC affiliate, gives a timeline of this horrific event. while WVLT, the local CBS affiliate, has what they claim to be insight from neighbors of the shooter. WATE, the local ABC affiliate, has a couple of articles.
Only a liberal would find delight in a tragedy such as this.
Some of both group actually do go to church, 30. But my point is that some nutjob wanted to attack a community because of its gay-friendly stance, you could do a lot worse than the Unis.
Man, you must have swallowed two stupid pills today instead of your customary one.
Did you follow the links? The neighbor said that the guy hated Christians.
Nutjobs come from all phases of the political spectrum, but the left has more than it’s share. I’m packing everywhere I go too, as long as there are no metal detectors, to hell with the stupid local laws that make you a sitting duck for any psycho looking to make the front page.
And, how did you deduce that?
I doubt if he is a conservative:
Hates Christians, unemployed, and on food stamps… hmmmm….
The guy was anti-liberal, anti-gay and anti-christian. In other words a nut.
Being in Nashville, this is all over the radio and tv down here. A dark day for those folks over there.
TOS, while i disagree with the way he positions it, and even lgm with his comment, post a valid point. There are crazies on both sides. This guy was clearly disturbed. And whatever awaits him on the other side (no pun intended) will not be pleasant i’m sure.
As you know from your history text, many have killed in the name of God. This does not make a man a Christian. The bible and the 10 commandments very well spell out not to kill and to also love, That is L. O. V. E. your neighbor. Thanks LGM for posting an idiotic comment in so allowing me to correct your error.
lgm is a Christian hater so it was not a big leap for him.
lgm:
1. The fact you thanked Michelle and then invoked Christians kill because of hate makes you a complete IDIOT.
2. This is not about a Christian killing in hate.
3. Michelle did not cover this story as “a Christian killing in hate”.
4. Why she would put up with you afeter this is beyond me.
There are nut cases on both sides; I say this as a Goldwater era conservative. The one thing these lunatics have in common is an inability to accept personal responsibility for whatever their problems might be. That is the one thing they have common, other than deserving one last trip on a gurney next to Death Row.
We tolerate lgm because he is a symbol of libtard idiocy. A daily reminder.
sickening
The Unitarian Universalist Church is on the extreme left of the Christian spectrum – not unlike the radical afrocentric church that Obama attended. For example, this very liberal church organization planned to host sex shows in my local area but at the last minute changed their mind because it was against the law not because it was immoral or perverted.
My church is a Bible based evangelical Christian church and we would never condone hateful behavior. Quite the contrary as our job is to be missionaries to even the worst of mankind. Having said this, evil is to be confronted but violence should be a last resort.
Did I miss something in my perusal of the articles on this shooting where lgm and his friends have determined Jim Adkisson, the shooter, to have been a “Christian” and a “conservative” or are they just taking personal liberties with the story?
A correction on the 10 Commandments. Thou shall not kill is incorrect. Thou shall not murder is correct.
A correction on the 10 Commandments. Thou shall not kill is incorrect. Thou shall not murder is correct.
Unitarian Universalists accept everybody, both to their credit and against it. The church I attended for about a year — but like many, did not join — included not only Christians but those from other religions who were less ritual-oriented, plus agnostics and some very staunch athiests. (One man harrumphed every time the word “god” or “corporate” was mentioned, rather missing the point of the church: “God” means whatever you want, just so it is something bigger than you, and that something can be the group because it is the corporate worship — coming together as a corpus, or body — that is important to the UUs, not doctrine.)
Part of accepting everybody includes accepting gays and, though I gathered it didn’t mean endorsing what I consider their skewed self-images, the transgendered. The word “liberal” was heavily applied to their belief system, though not necessarily to their politics. (That said, very few of us favored the Iraq war, but we were all allowed our say.)
If the saying “there is no compulsion in religion” applies anywhere, it is to the UUs. So this twisted man, to the extent his anti-Christian bias drove him, was driven to the wrong place to avenge his ‘being made to go to church all his life.’ As usual, making sense of insanity fails.
I pray that those who died knew Christ as their savior, and that he is merciful to them.
I don’t think this passes the smell test either.
If he hated Christians then he could have found a ton of fundamentalist Churches in the phone book.
If he hated gays and the liberal agenda then he could find a gay bar or the ACLU office.
For him to pick a place that tolerates gays and is more spiritual than Christian is a poor political statement.
P.S. LGM, MM is always courageous enough to point out any failings of conservatives. I think her point here is more that there is a human tragedy that we should be aware of and have compassion on the victims of, rather than a cheap grab for political points.
If he cannot accept personal responsibility for his problems, then he is not a conservative. That inability is a violation of a basic conservative tenet.
This guy was a confused nutcase.
Thanks for the correct. but I was paraphrasing… “Thou shall not murder.” —can’t please everyone!
I can say in the strongest tone possible that I denounce this animal as being a Christian. A true Christian would never commit an act like this. For you lgm to try and label this animal as a Christian is off the charts.
Michelle please consider banning lgm for he has insulted all true Christians and leaves the impression for other faiths and beliefs that we condone this heinous behavior.
Azygos:
I disagree. We should not ban lgm – he’s the libtard mascot – the pinata for libtard follies.
Keep him. You can always count on his being her to kick around.
Ooops, here.
I agree. Nobody enjoys bashing this idiot more than me. When he suggests Michelle is covering this story as a Christian killing in hate, I feel he has crossed the line and should, at the very least, apologize – and then be banned. Even Southernboy never did anything this bad and he got the axe.
Apparently they’ve changed a lot since I last attended, many years ago. I was raised in the Universalist Church, and they were none of those things. Of course, that was before they merged with the Unitarians.
A report I read about this tragedy, I forget where, reported the man was angry that his daughter converted to Christianity. He didn’t believe in God and hated Christians.
So, lgm, you’re wrong. He wasn’t a Christian shooting people. He was an atheist shooting Christians.
#35 rignerd, I agree with you. I pray those two men who died, especially that hero who placed himself between that murderer and the congregation, had Jesus in their hearts, and that they are with God now.
To answer some posters: There seems to be a double standard. If someone raised in a Christian community kills out of hatred (as this person seems to have done), he’s not a true Christian. If someone raised in a Muslim community kills out of hatred, then Islam is a religion of hatred.
I don’t care who this madman hated or why. It isn’t relevant. He deserves a bullet in the head (or at least a needle in the arm) for his actions, not his thoughts.
lgm:
Your analysis is incorrect.
Islam and Christianity have two very different doctrines. Christianity teaches that one should love one’s enemies. Islam teaches that one should kill unbelievers. (It’s there in the Koran).
Another stupid pill. Methinks you are overdosing.
Duh. Clearly the guy is a Christian because he knew where the church was. Christians have special Church Radar to help them find like-minded people so they don’t have to bash liberals and oppress minorities by themselves.
Snark aside, I know someone who attends this church and narrowly missed being there when the shooter was. What happened tragic, and it shouldn’t be politicized.
lgm,
That is two times you have come to this thread trying to pass this off as a Christian killing people in hatred. You should shut up. What you are doing is just wrong. There is no double standard here. If a Christian was killing Muslims, you can bet we would be the first to condemn it.
You are the worst kind of idiot. You will spread you vile tripe to all who will listen. I pray those that hear you vile mess – much like those of us here – will just call you out as an idiot.
Now, go away.
A very silly comment, lgm. Where in the New Testament (you know, the book that introduced and defined Christianity?) does it order the killing, or condone the killing of non-believers or those who defile Christianity?
Therefore, when someone raised in the Christian community kills out of hatred…he/she isn’t a true Christian.
If some raised in the Islamic community kills out of hatred, then he/she is being true to Islam (according to many Islamic clerics and followers) because that is what the Koran states and allows them to believe.
Either correct your logic, or demand an Islamic reformation that can houseclean their antiquated book.
Which is why you are blind to the truth because you fail to see it. Most (not all) Muslims preach from the pulpit that it is “justified” to commit “jihad” aka killing infidels and see nothing wrong with honor killings. In fact there was a recent poll among Muslim teens in Britain that showed that over 30% of young Muslims think killing infidels (like most of us are classified as) in the name of Allah is justified.
Christianity, and Judaism, both preach that murder (that is killing someone without the righteous justification under which killing is justified) is wrong and evil. You will not find one Christian preacher who is true to the Word and practicing true Christianity who would ever advocate or condone walking into any church of any kind and murdering people.
So that is why you are a fool who affronted millions of Christians who actually walk the walk to match the Word of God with your posts today by associating a loon with those who actually follow what Jesus preaches. Be thankful our host is more lenient than I am, if this was my blog you would have been banned for making such insulting and ignorant statements.
OT, but WHOA you’re in Nashville?! I am too! At least until school starts and I go back to Knoxville…
I heard about this through my Twitter friends, but yeah, the media has really been talking about this down here. It’s so sad and frightening.
Taquiya, Sharia and the Hadith require death to unbelievers,what will it take for some of you to understand??!!! That being said….. this murderer needs to be found guilty if the evidence supports it and punished in the way he made others suffer. My support of Christianity in this thread is that it doesn’t require death to unbelievers.
LGM. I wouldn’t fight the battle on this thread, out of respect. Any idiot should know that so-called, christian conservatives are capable of evil acts. Only an idiot would argue with that point, so why not just let it go? Morever, nobody knows “jack” about the killer’s personal beliefs.
It’s just a sad story all around. Nobody should feel like they could be killed while attending a church service. I’m very much in favor of concealed weapon permits.
There is no double standard.
When Christians kill in the name of Christ they are acting as individuals, and they are immediately and forcefully condemned by the religion they are claiming to act in the name of. Please don’t attempt to refute this by throwing up the Inquisition or something else that happened 15 generations ago.
When Muslims kill in the name of Islam they do so because their holy book specifically instructs them to. They do so because their Imams and religious thinkers exhort them to on a regular basis. Violence in Islam is institutional, not individual.
If you’re so secure in your belief it should be simple enough to prove me wrong. Show me the Christian authority figures preaching that it’s a duty to behead infidels. Show me the hordes of Christians and Jews rioting in the streets because someone “defamed” their religion.
Go ahead, show me.
I’m an athiest, and I think all religions are equally invalid as an explanation for anything. But to suggest that they all behave the same way is simply lunacy.
Hey jelli
Yeah, i work in Franklin, off Cool Springs Blvd. Live in the ‘Boro, but Nashville is how we call it around here, you know the drill. You should look me up sometime!
MJ,
You wouldnt think you’d have to carry a weapon into a place of worship…but such are the times we live in, sadly.
Good to see ya. A level headed post, kudos
I carry “heat” at all times allowed under the law Abstract. It’s a tiny 38 special. Sometimes, I don’t always follow the local laws, but I want to be safe first, and then defend my actions later. I hope to never have to use it, but I wouldn’t hesitate to use if some worthless piece of garbage tries to harm me or mine.
Have a good day.
and that is one of the reasons i like having you around MJ
One of the rare occasions I can say I agree with you. Liberals usually spit on and attempt to subvert the second amendment (see NYC, D.C, Chicago, and San Fran) and handguns in general. The idea of people carrying concealed makes the overwhelming majority of them go into fits. But at least you won’t have to deal with a bad situation like Suzanna Hupp did, nor will I with my Glock 26 that can’t be seen even with close fitting clothing.
Asking lgm to apologize for offending Christians is akin to muslims asking the Danish newspaper(among many others) to apologize for offending muslims.
As has been mentioned on this blog many times, the U.S. Constitution does not guarantee you the right to not be offended, but it does guarantee lgm the right to say something offensive.
Banning him for exercising his right of free speech is a bit left wing for a conservative blog, don’t you think?
As long as he follows Michelle’s rules for posting, there is no need to call for a ban. And if he violates the rules for posting, then he should be banned.
And I pray for the souls of those two brave people that were killed, and the speedy fair trial and execution of the perpetrator of this terrible act.
lgm
please go away. this tragedy has nothing to do with the Christianity vs Islam argument… it is a time to reflect and morn and ponder how we can prevent tragedies like this one from reoccurring (sadly #4 seems like the most logically solution).
The idea of having to fear attack in a place of worship is just wrong.
Really? Because there are approximately 90,000 dead Iraqi civilians, most of whom were presumably Muslim, that would still be alive if it weren’t for a certain Christian president and Christian vice-president.
And regarding people who want to see this horrible killer executed…
So let’s serve the memory of those killed by not executing this monster.
One major difference though is that Muslims were asking for an apology for a cartoon. We are asking for an apology for lumping millions of believer’s who walk to the walk for being compared to a murderer.
Lgm spits on the first and second amendment on a nearly daily basis. You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t easily forgive a man who uses part of the first amendment to shred the rest of the Consitution to fit his utopian Soicalist/Marxist/Communist worldview.
Have you read his posts? He has broken the ToU for this blog countless times. The only reason I think he is left around to post is to be the daily pinata and be a warning and example of how far left and deranged one can be and an example of how not to raise your children.
Here comes Rusty with his moral equivocation.
You rival lgm with your appalling ignorance and disinformation.
Always on the side of the enemy. Always.
Sheesh, what is wrong with me today? Equivalency!!!
Equivalency!
Swallowing the liberal pill as usual eh Rusty? You and lgm should get together and have lunch.
…except I think you miss a huge point. People of all kinds can commit evil acts. Someone who commits evil acts is NOT a Christian. A Christian is someone who “belongs to” (“ian” suffix = belonging to i.e. Bostonian is from Boston) or simply put, is a follower of Christ. As a follower of Christ, one does not commit evil acts – period.
On July 28th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
I agree, 30. Rather than focus on the real victims in this horror, the innocent church goers, the media here are already putting this out as part of a “hate crimes” narrative.
FYI MSM: all crimes evolve from hate – even those against Christians – so why not focus on the victims, and stop attempting to connect it to some third party social group.
Oh, good lord. Congress is mostly Christian?
Quiz: Who had the honor of killing more Muslims than the “Christian President” or in the world for that matter? Hint, he was President of Iraq and a Muslim.
Bingo!
Rusty – Do you believe that 90,000 have been killed by US forces? Or have they been killed by terrorists and you will blame that on Bush? I would not put men killed standing in line to be a soldier or policeman, or killed by a bomb in a marketplace on Bush. How many would have been murdered, raped and tortured by the animals we kicked out of that country?
Sorry to get off track, but we have saved more muslims lives then we have taken, and I get a little sick of the observers with 20/400 hindsight.
On July 28th, 2008 at 4:59 pm, Rusty said:
Wow, how sensitive of you! I didn’t realize that a church shooting in Tennessee was relative to the Iraq war, but I guess it does in your view.
#71On July 28th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, wrcnossen said:
Excellent point! And who’s to guarantee that Hussein (hmm, that sounds familiar) and sons would not have “disposed” of them.
I need to let this go, but I can’t. Christians commit evil acts all the time. Murder is a sin. No christian claims to be incapable of sin. Allegedly, Jesus died for your sins. There are “Crimes and Misdemeanors” when talking about sin, but all sins can be forgiven if you accept Christ as your savior and ask for forgiveness.
This point is pretty arrogant, loaded, and quite frankly, DANGEROUS. A lot of twisted, evil can be done with that statement as the basis of a belief system. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Athiest, yadayada are capable of acts of uncommon good, or upspeakable evil. It’s not about the title, or label, but rather the person who commits the act. It’s all about free will, and no label or membership defines an act in a pre-determined fashion.
This is something an abuser could say to a victim to exonerate himself of moral culpability. I’m not saying you would do this, but I just think it’s a dangerous thought. Sometimes people do horrible things to other people. That’s it. Sometimes these people are Christians. Sometimes they’re not. Hell, sometimes they’re Bostonians.
So if it’s a big enough offense, the free speech doesn’t apply? Who decides when the offense is aggregious enough to warrant an apology?
Now that’s a Christian thing to say. Again, whether or not I agree with what he says (rarely if ever) he still has the right to say it without apologizing if someone is offended.
I have read his posts and can’t remember a single instance that I’ve agreed with him. I do believe the first amendment guarantess his right to be an ass if he so chooses, without apology.
And I believe it is up to the owner/moderator of the blog to decide if someone should be banned, and whether one or even most of the readers/commenters are offended by what he says is irrelevant.
Nutz! Hit submit and changed threads!
Excellent point! And who’s to guarantee that Hussein (hmm, that sounds familiar) and sons would not have “disposed” of them. The Husseins were eliminating millions – not an unreasonable number – but rather than be glad those days of carnage are over and with a regrettable but minimal number of collateral casualities, some people choose to blame the unavoidable on a president who did the right thing.
Fixed it for you
Well done Alaskangrizzly.
I think you need to go back and reread the first amendment. It specifically states the “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press”
If a blog owner decides the person’s speech was defamatory (as is being accused by the other “guests” in this case) or libelous or vulgar they have every right to ban said person on their personal property. Just like a home owner can ask a vulgar guest to get out of his house and then use force if needed if they refuse to comply.
Asking for his ban is no different than being another guest in the owner’s house suggesting the guest in question is violating the owner’s rules and is making a mockery of his/her house.
I’m not meaning to be a pain walterc, but I think we just disagree on the grounds of what speech is being called for being silenced. I think lgm has every right to be as obnoxious and ignorant as he wants to be. I just don’t think it should surprise him that one of these times violating the ToU’s mention of vulgarity/defamation/libel eventually will get him banned.
alaskangrizzly:
I agree.
I agree with your point that a guest can ask that another guest be removed from the premesis, but asking for an apology on behalf of Christians worldwide is akin to muslims worldwide asking for an apology for a cartoon or a movie quoting the koran.
And the purpose of a political blog is to participate in political/social discussion and debate. If we ask people we disagree with to leave, there’s no debate. There’s not much point in having a blog with no discussion. If I want to read a blog where everyone agrees, I’ll read the left wing “it’s all Bush’s fault” blogs.
But thank you for a good debate this afternoon.
For the most part we agree. I’m just a devout opponent of thought/speech police.
As someone once said, “I may not agree with what you say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it” (or somthing along those lines).
Granted there is also a right to assemble with those of like minds and if the group doesn’t like what a person says, then they can ask that person to leave. I’m just not thin skinned enough (and I’m not implying anyone else is either, I just know that what is offensive to one may not be to another. My Grandmother used to swoon at what I thought was the silliest things) to be so offended by anything lgm has to say as to ask him to leave. I like the discussion he (and rusty and their ilk) bring to the table.
Is anyone else here or did Alaskangrizzley and I chase everyone else off?
Actually, judging by this interview with a neighbor, the guy was an atheist who resented going to church as a child:
So, nice try, but that doesn’t wash. The guy didn’t know Johnson Bible College was Christian, so he hasn’t (clearly) been to church in a long time.
Had the Unitarian church not been there, he probably would have shot up ANY church – the guy didn’t do it because he was going to
the conservative Baptist church down the road.
And for all you liberals who hold this up as proof of Christian hatred, two names for you: Mary Stachowicz, butchered by a homosexual man who didn’t like her Catholic faith, or Jesse Dirkhising. Tell me how these two cases are any different, or why they warrant different coverage.
Here’s a hint: Stachowicz was a conservative Catholic. She *deserved* to be butchered for being a Catholic. Her murderer, and the murderers of Jesse Dirkhising, were gay.
Imagine the uproar of we said this was evidence of violence and hatred in the gay community.
And why is it this will receive more coverage, than those two deaths – which were equally as brutal?
I feel tremendous sympathy for the congregation, and my prayers are with them. I hope this SOB rots in jail. He is, in no way, shape, or form, representative of Christianity or Christians.
But it’s not surprising this is blamed on me, and the rest who share my faith, when I’m willing to bet this guy hasn’t been to church in several decades.
He’s many things, but Christian certainly isn’t one of them.
Prayers for all the victims here.
I see that the left side blogs are departing from their usual gun control message on this one and because of the note left by the perp are calling this out as a right wing killing spree.
A couple of them have even pushed it up to being domestic terrorism.
englishqueen01 said (#86):
Someone born in a Muslim country and given a Muslim upbringing (made to go to Mosque regularly) would be called a Muslim if he killed out of hatred.
I do not mean to insult Christians or call them violent. I only wish certain Christians would not judge other religions as they would not have theirs judged.
(NIDMBA)
See #50, not all types of upbringing are equal, nor all people’s faith or lack thereof equal.
See – the difference is, in Islam, murdering for the faith is one of the tenets of that faith.
Not so with Christianity.
And every person who thinks this guy is a Christian, or acted out of Christian teaching, is insulting all Christians – including the victims.
While every Christian is capable of sin, anyone who murders in the name of Christianity (and I don’t believe this guy did – he hated Christians) is not following the faith. Period.
In Islam, they are.
lgm:
Can you ever admit it when you are wrong? Are you that arrogant?
More than any other troll here, you have been consistently wrong on so many different threads, on so many different topics, yet I NEVER see you admit it when you are wrong. NEVER.
If this guy really hated gays and liberals, why didn’t he go after Rusty and lgm? Or let loose in a public restroom?
On the other hand, if he hated Christians, what was he doing at a Unitarian church?
Baffling.
NIDMBA = NAMBLA splinter group?
Maybe Rusty or lgm was the shooter?
This is exactly the kind of case that I think justifies bringing back Public Hangings. If this guy wanted to die or not it shouldn’t matter. Once convicted he should lose all choice on all matters. The reason I think that Public Hangings would be better is that we have bent over, maybe backwards – maybe not, to show these vile MURDERERS Respect, Dignity and all that silly nonsense. All we have managed to do is make punishment a crap shoot and give these vermin a sense of fame.
I do believe that if a lot of these punks, thieves and rapist were to see the death twitch, ugly and all, they just might think twice. The ‘reports’ or studies that show public hangings were ineffective are bull. Ever notice how speeders slow down when they see someone getting a ticket?
And I also believe public hangings would give the families of victims and us a since of finality that a cold dark night in the prison parking lot wouldn’t. I would be willing to take the training as a hangman—I would pay to take the training as a hangman.
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Allah be Praised
Allie OOP OOP 2
It was a combination of both. Had this group not been nearby, I’m 100% certain this guy would have gone to a Baptist church, a Catholic Church, a Lutheran Church.
He’s a sick, demented individual. A nut job. And – by all accounts – an atheist.
What he did was inexcusable and indefensible. But I am not going to have people give me the “judge not” shtick when this guy is clearly not representative of Christianity – even a minority of Christians.
Indeed, methinks this guy was – if anything – taking his cue from those wackos at Westboro Baptist…a group decidedly un-Christian as well.