What should the House apologize for?
Talk about warped priorities. The do-nothing/14 percent approval-rated Congress, led by Nancy the Navigator Pelosi, refuses to allow debate on drilling; the appropriations bills are in limbo, and judicial vacancies abound.
But hey, they’ve found time to take action on that all-important apology for slavery and Jim Crow laws:
The House of Representatives was poised Tuesday to pass a resolution apologizing to African-Americans for slavery and the era of Jim Crow.
The nonbinding resolution, which is expected to pass, was introduced by Rep. Steve Cohen, a white lawmaker who represents a majority black district in Memphis, Tennessee.
While many states have apologized for slavery, it will be first time a branch of the federal government will apologize for slavery if the resolution passes, an aide to Cohen said.
By passing the resolution, the House would also acknowledge the “injustice, cruelty, brutality and inhumanity of slavery and Jim Crow,” the period after slavery was abolished in which African-Americans were denied the right to vote and other civil liberties. The resolution states that “the vestiges of Jim Crow continue to this day.”
“African-Americans continue to suffer from the consequences of slavery and Jim Crow — long after both systems were formally abolished — through enormous damage and loss, both tangible and intangible, including the loss of human dignity and liberty, the frustration of careers and professional lives, and the long-term loss of income and opportunity,” the resolution states.
Next stop: Reparations!
What a sorry lot.
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Flashback: New Jersey apologizes for slavery
Flashback: Get out your reparations calculator.
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My head hurts because of all the answers that flooded to the front at once.
For once, there are no apologies for this abortion called Congress.
The only thing the african americans still suffer from is being treated like incompetent children by the liberal democrats.
Wasting oxygen.
Why is the entire house being dragged in to this? These policies are democrat policies many Republicans who opposed them were lynched for doing so. Shouldn’t the democrats apologize to the entire country instead? I for one don’t appreciate being dragged in to their horrible policies of the past, its an insult to all of us.
The House has no authority over judicial appointments.
Good progress — Now maybe they can apologize for Eve eating that apple that forced us all out of the Garden of Eden.
Working on 7% approval I assume.
So instead of fixing todays problems, they are deeping concerned with saying sorry for yesterdays problems. Worthless drones.
They can apologize until they’re blue in the face, but no one in that godforsaken House is responsible for slavery any more than I am. Apologizing for the mistakes of past generations does nothing for the people living today.
Incidentally, I refuse to apologize for something in which I had absolutely no part. Anecdotally, where would American music be today if not for slavery? American cuisine? That’s something I’ve been contemplating lately.
Yeah, I want reparations for the money I’ve lost in the Stock Market since the Dems took over in ‘06. Oh, and I want reparations for having to pay $4 a gallon for gas since these intellectually challenged pansies won’t let us drill. And I want……
these clowns are truly intellectually challenged. these so called politicians have set a standard of incompetence that will never be matched. even the very stupid think at a higher level.
She should be tarred, feathered and run out on a rail. Unbelievable.
The Democrats’ idea that a five hundred billion dollar deficit can be erased through higher taxes! Taking money out of the economy will raise prices and increase unemployment. It cannot and will not decrease deficit spending or lower the national debt.
That was the first thought that came to mind when I saw the mention of “Jim Crow.” The donkeys are as transparent as an open window.
In a sane world Republicans should have a field day come November, with the donkeys too busy apologizing for America to do anything about what Americans care about most: energy policy.
But in this bizarro world, I’ve become so used to Republicans being the “Oakland Raiders of politics” — i.e., finding ways to snatch defeat from victory with such distressing regularity that their opponents need only show up in order to win — that I’m not hopeful they’ll do anything with this gift-on-a-silver-platter that the donkeys have laid before them.
Liberals are always fighting yester-year’s fight. Silly bustards keep losing, too.
What should they apologize for? The list of that for which they needn’t apologize is much shorter.
I do note, however, that they’ve stopped taunting Pres. Bush with 33% favorable taunts; considering they’re at less than 1/2 that number, Pres. Bush is looking good by comparison.
Apparently, there are alot of black people who didn’t get the memo, and live successful, full lives just like…well, everyone else.
Obama, in fact (as a man of color, right), MO, and their kids apparently missed the memo as well.
The fact this comes from someone in my state though, makes me ashamed.
geeeze already! get over it!
It was a very cruel world alongggggggg time ago for alot of people, not just of color.
I demand Congress have drug testing.
This is a monumetal mistake. You are indeed correct. This does nothing but pave the way for future reparations. We have all seen in the past that the demands for more are never ending. We apologize, which is an admission of guilt to the greeedy lawyers, which opens the doors for the grievance monger groups to file lawsuits and pressure our PC congress. Sigh. It never ends. I fear that will become a priority for obummer. I just wish I could get the stomach to vote for mcamnesty.
Off the top of my head, I can think of two meaningful and timely apologies due to the black community other than some historical second guessing.
An apology for programs implemented that facilitated the evolution of the majority of black families from two parent families to a majority of single mother families.
The second apology would be the resistance to school choice. Having no options to the educational opportunities available, it is no wonder that it is almost impossible for many blacks to break out of the circle of poverty and public dependence.
How about for being pathological prevaricators? Or, for being hateful American ingrates? (And being able to do both with a straight face.)
BTW…
I’ll be good for reparations for people, when we FIRST give reparations to the displaced Native American tribes, make reparations for the injustices that the United States has perpetrated such as the Trail of Tears, issues formal apologies for those things, and gives their lands back.
Then we can talk about this travesty.
The House should apologize for cashing their paychecks when they have done nothing of any worth for the amount they are paid.
The apology was made when the South was defeated. Enough is enough. This “poor me” victim scamming is getting old.
Can someone in or out of Congress point out one instance of Jim Crow in the last 30 years? And I’m not talking about individual acts of racism, I’m talking about an institutional policy of any legitimate institution, of Jim Crow. Or even a consequence of Jim Crow policies.
By legitimate institutions, I’m talking about government at any level, and publicly owned/traded private entities.
Private corporations, foundations or non-profit groups (i.e. KKK, Black Panther, Weathermen Alums, Moveon, Code Pink etc.) can do what they want, just don’t expect the rest of us to apologize for it.
I’m not sure how they can say that after the boost up at the expense of others that affirmative action has given them.
All those owed an apology are dead! Why can’t the liberals get over that? The decendants of slaves are living a much better life thanks to the price their forefathers paid as are every other American. Many suffered and died to give us the life we now have in America. I don’t think that anyone owes me an apology for that. Maybe a tribute would be more in order.
My head still hurts.
Causing all of our founding fathers to roll over in their graves in disgust.
Re-districting in order to get relected to the tune of over a 90% rate (when most of us do not want most of them).
Being liberal.
Keeping abortion alive and well while killing babies (and spending my tax dollars while doing same).
Telling the American people to shove it.
Should I go on?
Gee, while Nancy’s at it…can I get a personal apology for the way my ancestors were treated?
Not allowed to attend public schools in NYC, so they had to create their own parochial school system.
Not allowed to apply for any offered jobs, so they had to resort to menial labor and unionize themselves into dangerous civil employment like police and fire departments.
Not allowed to join or attend any social organizations, so they had to create their own; like the Ancient Order of Hibernians and Knights of Columbus.
Were laughed off the social stage and lampooned in cartoons for being grotesquely disfigured savages, rubes and Papists.
Were conscripted right off the boats and into battlefield duty during the US Civil War, often fighting their own families across lines, in different uniforms, for reasons they couldn’t fully understand as freshly-minted immigrants.
So, c’mon Miss Pelosi…while your at it, how about a nice, big, sloppy, wet kiss and a big ‘ol “I’m sorry” for BrianNY. I’ll be waiting.
Well said Orlando (with a small edit of my own).
What about the thousands of people, black and white, who lost their lives fighting the South to end slavery? Will they get reparations too?
They will have us all apologizing for them somewhere down the road. We all get smeared with the same democrat turd. Republicans that go along with this are spitting on the graves of those honorable ones who came before them, but I wouldn’t expect anything less from these modern sellouts.
Each and every democrat should be held accountable for his/her party’s appalling misdeeds and be forced to pay reparations for them. Apologies simply do not cut it.
And real Republicans should demand no less of the traitors. Real Republicans, unfortunately, are as plentiful as moderate Muslims. On the other hand, GAGA (i.e. get along/go along) Republicans are everywhere, so once again we have to endure a guilt charade. Black Americans do love such, after all, and keeping them happy so they vote the proper way is all that matters.
I was held-up with a 9-mm to my head by six black teenagers, on bicycles, in Jersey City, NJ back in the summer of 2003. This, after having my paycheck garnished for 20 years to pay for these same teenagers’ upbringing: food, clothing, housing, education, condoms, etc.
Can I get an apology for that too?
BrianNY, you are correct. The Irish were one of the most discriminated-against immigrant groups in this country, often treated as poorly as blacks. The sign “No Irish Need Apply” was a frequent sight in the 19th century. But no apologies for you, Mick!
Hey Nan, how about you and your longterm parasites (on both sides) apologize to all Americans for the tax and spend free for all that’s been going on inside the beltway the last 60 years. It’s like the entire U.S. Navy went to Washington on shore leave and never got back on the boat.
Australia has a similar situation with its Aborigines. The Liberal (relatively conservative) government refused to apologize. Since the Labor (unabashedly socialist) government was elected, they issued a formal apology. “Not far enough” was the response of the Aboriginal Pity Industry. That is to say, where’s the money?
What happened in the past happened in the past. I’m sure I could troll through history books and find some relative somewhere who was wronged (my ancestors were Danish and fled Denmark because of persecution by the Kaiser, as one small example). I find it interesting, but certainly don’t carry a grudge against Germany or Germans as a result.
The whole “reparations” thing is a scam perpretrated by charlatans who have a vested interest in perpetuating “discrimination” because it represents a nice, fat paycheck.
Compact history of the “Stolen Generation”
Calls for Compensation
On July 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am, Die Hippie, Die said:
WIN!
There is nothing to apologize for, that was then, this is now, those issues were corrected… end of story now start living life and stop being victims . These reps are such tools. Wonder when my Irish ancestors are getting their apology( sorry, had to do that)
Let’s see if this covers it: I appologize (as a person of white, black, American Indian, asian and misc. other ancestory) to myself (as a person of white, black, American Indian, asian, and misc. other ancestory) for any bad thing done by some of my ancestors to others of my ancestory, or vise-versa.
And I want to pay reparations to myself, but not much since I can’t afford it.
greenfairie #34:
I have a hunch that my ancestors’ refusal for any considerations or apology is a major reason for who and where I am today.
I have also admired how the Chinese were also able to convert the most deplorable of situations into the American Dream as well. They weren’t treated like slaves while building the railroads, they were treated like dogs and cattle.
By far the vast majority of black Americans that continue to suffer do so because they are, after more than a century, still refusing to assimilate into American society, and are kept down by the repressive, pandering, patronizing socialist politics of the Donks.
Raised in a home culture of hatred for non-black Americans where they are taught that the “system” is rigged against them. And it is, however they’re blinded to the fact that the Socialist Donks are the ones holding them down with, what is now, several generations of freebie-giveaway “entitlements”, and such nonsense as quoted above.
Many metaphors are available to illustrate the point but I resist using them for being labeled anti-black.
Sorry, folks; if we start issuing reparations, the Native Americans will get it all. Of course, the English owe me for what they did to my Scottish ancestors.
One other question: does Obama simply pay half of what’s owed to himself?
Treasonous Congress – just as bad as the Monarch of England in the 18th century.
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Pelosi, Reid and Obama are on a power trip. None of these individuals represent the USA and its interests. We are hurting as a nation because of these people.
You are missing the point MNUSMCDavid, Irish need not apply. It reminds me of the line in Blazing Saddles, we’ll give some land to the ******* and the ******, but we wont take the Irish!
Boehner should say ok under one condition and then offer an amendment honoring Abe Lincoln and the other honorable Republicans over the years who lost their lives battling the racist democrats and their policies. Just sayin.
Anyone ever wonder what reverend wrong is so mad about? Jim Crow and such that’s what, and he joined them anyway, the definition of an idiot.
Throw the bums out, vote challenger regardless of party.
I would contend that, when you now have generations of publicly-subsidized, able-bodied individuals who had all of the autonomous skill and wherewithal (to even transport themselves out of a hurricane zone) stripped from them years ago…an empty congressional apology isn’t going to help jack-squat.
Regulus, MY Oakland Raiders indeed know all about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but so does MY democratic party. Just look at the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. You can go all the way back to 1988, when Dukakis got in the tank like a goof, and came off like a wuss in the debates.
You are wearing a cloak of fake victimhood. Your party has dominated American politics for damn near 30 yrs.
Anyway,this resolution hurts Obama with moderates and independents. White guilt is getting very old and tiring. Obama can succeed as a candidate who transends race like Oprah, Tiger Woods or Will Smith. If black issues keep dominating the media, it can become exshausting, and make people less likely to vote for Obama. They could think that an Obama presidency will cause contiuous scrutiny and racializing of everything. Race relations are at an all-time high in this country, and guilt mongering like this is very poorly timed. I wanna kick my TV whenever CNN does their Black in America segments. It’s gonna help cost Obama the election.
Slavery and Jim Crow were undeniable evil, and there are residual effects. Though, some of the policies put in place to remedy past evils also set the black race behind in many respects. I was born in 1974, and I am the first person born in my family post Jim Crow. It’s up to the Black community to remedy fractured homes, educational setbacks, and poor self esteem.(You so-black….., “good” hair…..). There are still white racist pieces of trash out there, and some are in positions of power. But most people are now good, and Jim Crow will likely never make a comeback. It’s time to turn the page, and I don’t need to hear any apologies right now, but just want to see quality, fair actions. I don’t understand what Congress is thinking right now. Is there some vast conspiracy going on to get McCain elected? Otherwise, I have recipe after recipe of how to cost a black man a shot at the WhiteHouse during this election.
AMEN! How the
IndiansAmericans were treated is absolutely unforgivable.I’ll apologize for slavery as soon as they apologize for “Gangsta Rap!”
Unfortunately, because they are our elected REPRESENTATIVES, by extension WE are the sorry lot. We complain about how “those bums” are ignoring the will of the people, yet we keep reelecting them. If they’re truly ignoring us, why do we keep ratifying their actions by leaving them in power?
I guess 14% approval is just not low enough.
What next? Dare I ask? All these lib sheep who will vote more of these clowns in need to wake up…
Slavery was a state policy, not a federal one, and the Supreme Court had told Congress it had no business interfering with it. If any branch of the government should apologize, it’s the Supreme Court, but I’m not holding my breath.
The lives of 600,000 Americans dead in Civil War battles, disease, starvation, etc., would be apology enough if this were about principle. It’s not; it’s about money and power, like it always is with liberals. ‘Principle’ is just a tactic to them.
I’m sick of hearing about how badly the indians were treated. They were a stone age culture and they were warring amongst themselves for a thousand years before the first white man showed up. Does anyone believe for a minute that if any given tribe had developed steel weapons and gunpowder before the rest of the tribes, that they would not have wiped out the other neiboring tribes?
I agree 100 percent with fourstringfuror. I am stunned that people smart enough to be elected to congress are never-the-less so stupid that they don’t understand that it is impossible to apologize for something you didn’t do to people that weren’t even alive when the action took place. Such apologies are as meaningless as a pig’s scream in a slaughter house.
So, what was done to them is okay by you? Hell, even to this day there is an Indian Bureau of Affairs.
Great post.
/sarc
My ancestors were from the North and fought to free the slaves. Does that count for anything or am I forever condemned for being caucasian?
Is he sure that he isn’t talking about the Great Society?
So many answers, so little time.
Since none of my ancestors came to America until 50 years after the end of slavery, not much apology needed here. I do however, apologize for my Viking ancestors invading Ireland. As far as apologizing to Normandy and France for the Viking invasions, well, they had it coming; all those fat monks with all that gold were just too tempting.
Trillions in subsidy since 1965 doesn’t seem to have done the trick.
Ripping up entire neighborhoods by transplanting and treating people like potted flowers waiting for a check once a month doesn’t seem to have done the trick.
Does anyone honestly believe that an apology or a one-time, class-action settlement will do the trick?
Will any amount of transfered wealth do the trick?
#61:
Finally! Now I can move on with my life!
mstressjustice, # 48,
Well said! I would add that there are black racist pieces of trash also. All of this victimhood being played by the likes of CNN and pandering politicians may just wake the new discriminated American….the white male!
Bravo!
You nailed it.
Time for a revolution. Peaceful, I hope, but a revolution nonetheless.
#58:
I believe the term is “whitey,” or “cracker.”
Helloooo! Doesn’t anyone see the real purpose of this resolution? It is to get Republicans to oppose it just in time to be used by Nancy and the Dems as a bludgeon in the November election.
I guarantee that any Republican Representative – especially in districts that might be considered in play – will see this morph into TV and print ads accusing them of being heartless racists.
Nancy knows that principled conservatives will vote Nay and she has the campaign material she wants handed to her and her cronies. Disgusting.
The apology I would like to hear would include the following:
All Americans continue to suffer from the consequences of irresponsible congressional budget and tax policies and excessive regulations by both parties which has caused enormous damage and loss, both tangible and intangible, including the loss of human dignity and liberty, the frustration of careers and professional lives, and the long-term loss of income and opportunity.
Then why do you support Dems? This is what they are all about and shows no signs of abating. Rather, it only promises to get worse. Nothing will ever satisfy the race-baiting PC crowd on the left.
The Indian Bureau of Affairs was a mistake which kept American Indians poor and seperate from the rest of society. No governmental organization should be based on ethnicity or race.
Am I ok with what happened to the indians? Yes. I will not judge what happened over 100 years ago with today’s moral standards. I will not get into a “My great grandfather was treated badly by your great grandfather” argument. The people harmed on both sides are long dead and any appology by anyone on the subject is a waste of time and breath.
Besides, I have ancestors on both sides. Had they not been treated so badly, I might be trying to kill a deer with a stone tipped spear instead of the good life I have now.
#64 rooster:
Agreed.
#48 mistress:
I always chuckle when I see them heralding Soledad O’Brien for that gig. I keep thinking she should be telling me what it is like to be “half black, a quarter white and a quarter indigenous Cuban” in America.
Being native american myself, I find that offensive that you even try to make that kind of blatantly ignorant argument. And it makes me less than civil to hear people like you say such things.
Time for a history lesson, you ignorant piece of crap.
In truth, Indians in Virginia for example, WERE given guns and traded with the English. Other tribes peacefully traded with foriegn people who came to THEIR soil. Indians taught their guests how to farm, and fish, and where the best game could be found. They helped them during the winters by providing pelts to keep them warm.
My ancestors specifically, the Cherokee, were considered one of the 5 Civilized Tribes. And guess how they were treated?
In the early 18th century, the govenor of South Carolina decided to hunt down and start killing the Cherokee wholesale, and the ones who were not killed were sold off by white men into slavery. And the govenor himself allowed it, and then split the profits with the slave traders as a reward.
I guess it wouldn’t be a stretch that these people decided they’d had enough, and at some point and fought back.
Another well known example is the Trail of Tears. 4000 indians died as a result of being forced from their homes and made to MARCH to a new place, all because the government wanted to expand their territory. This was taken by force. Those who died on the Trail were killed by starvation, disease, and exposure to the elements. However, before they were forced to make the trip, they were placed in a concentration camp, where i’m sure the conditions were less than pristine. There were also a significant number of Choctaw who stayed behind, electing not to be so easily removed. They were subject to intimidation, harassment, arson, destuction of property, and death.
13000 people were rounded up, altogether. approximately 4-5 thousand died. Do the math. Almost 40% of those rounded up like so much cattle died as a result of greed by whites. that’s more people than were killed during the 9/11 attacks. These people were persecuted and butchered, all so someone else could make a profit.
However.
I’m not the bitter type. I wasn’t there. It wasn’t -me- on the trail. And i dont scream about people paying me anything for the awful suffering someone else endured. I just dislike when others do, and then discount the plights of others.
And if you want to talk stoneage….maybe you should take a look at the VAST history on the European continent. How about you read about that and then come back and talk about this again, kid.
Or do you need another history lesson?
done with you, idiot.
After reading your next post, its not worth the time.
And since you dont believe organizations should be kept in that respect, your next call should be to the NAACP.
Let me know how that turns out.
Good points all Brian. But since the Dems are so fast to apologize, do you think we can get them to say thanks to our common ancestors for clearing out the swamps so Mayor Nagen can enjoy his “Chocolate City”?
“Lord, I apologize for that and please feed all the starving pygmies in New Guinea.”
How about an apology for No Child Left Behind?
Nancy opened the door we should use it to expose the truth about the history of slavery and discrimination. Until the truth is told no matter how bad it looks we will continue on this road to no where. Don’t you see, the democrats supported these policies and reverend wrong is the product. Now we see them in bed together and we say nothing all because it might offend democrat sensibilities. The silence and refusal to confront the truth has led us where we are today and we should cower in fear again because we are afraid that democrats will use their history against us? Its time to crawl out from under the bed, grow a spine, act like an adult. These are nothing more than schoolyard bully tactics. The democrats have not changed, they want to apologize for stuff that they are still doing to select citizens today. Unbelievable audacity. They stabbed blacks in the back for years and now in this Orwellian world they have harnessed the hatred they created and are directing it against the true enemy, republicans/conservatives. It should make prefect sense to all of you why they hate us so much, we are their nemesis, to them we are unbearable. They used to control them blacks before we horned in dontcha know.
Have we apologized to the trees yet, for using them for houses? Those microorganisms that got paved over when we built Eisenhower’s freeways? To the Chinese for displacing their itinerant descendants?
Seriously, how about an apology to the wounded soldiers in Germany for the Dem candidate working out in the Ritz-Carlton Spa instead of giving them a visit?
Oh wait, how does this talk help Obama’s kids?
Total BS TOS
I will NOT apologize for anything I didn’t do. I will man up when I do something good or bad… but that is it. if that makes me racist for the rest of my days…. I don’t give a rat’s ass anymore. I am weary and tired of what my country has become or is becoming. Sorry for the rant… but I’m tired of all this. See there’s a “Sorry” …. take it and choke on it, reparationists.
People who wanna compare the Italian-American or Irish struggle to the Black one really crack me up. I usually avoid this type of discussion, because it shows a certain level of cluelessnes, and there is no common ground. It doesn’t make you bad people, but simply ignorant to the Black struggle. It’s okay, if you’re not Black, it’s really not your problem. Irish, Italian and Black. Why do you think we have to say Black or African-American. Any you can say French, Greek, Irish, Italian ect… It’s not your problem, but the moral equivalence being used here is nuts.
- I don’t want justices like Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito on the bench at any level.
- I’m not a hawk,or into nation building.
- I don’t think all other religions are inferior or wrong, compared to Christianity.
- I believe gays and lesbians deserve the same rights as straight Americans.
- I believe universal healtcare should be mandatory for all children.
- I support very temporary government sponsored welfare and foodstamps, until a family is or should be back on their feet. I did support Clinton’s Welfare Reform Act.
- I don’t mind paying higher taxes to support the last two issues.
- I am completely pro-choice, but against partial-birth abortions unless mother’s life is in danger.
- I believe the Iran-Contra fiasco was the most offensive, chickensh*!, and corrupt scandal ever(worse than Watergate).
- Outside of a brief flirtation with Maverick McCain back in 1999-2005, I’ve never seen a Republican worth voting for who shares my values.(Charlie Crist may change my mind in Florida, if our budget situation improves).
Notice I didn’t mention anything about race. My party has screwed my people at times in history, and so has the Republicans. Both parties have also, in their own ways, led our country out of the gutter of racial discrimination and global shame in the past 40 years.
I just have ideological differences with the Republican party, and few are really race related.
Sorry about typos or style issues, but I’m in a hurry. Later.
Anyone who thinks the US, as a whole, owes reparations to blacks, has forgotten their history lessons. I also wager that they have never visited Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell exhibit. A visit to this amazing location makes it abundantly clear that a large portion of the early government & population opposed slavery. Furthermore, during the Civil War, the Union Armies numbered 2.5 million fighting men, and suffered the death of over 350,000; 110k battle deaths. These men died fighting to free the slaves. By contrast, the Confederate Armies numbered around 1 million fighting men, suffering roughly 94k battle-related deaths. Those fighting AGAINST slavery were 2.5 times the number of those fighting to preserve slavery. Nobody ever talks about that.
It’s discouraging how little truth is actually proferred when this santimonious pandering takes place.
Oops! I meant, “sanctimonious”.
MJ,
good post. i appreciate the fact you can be rational and discuss things, and bring issues to the table that can be talked about intelligently.
In reading your list of reasons you support Dems, most of what I have to say is “to each his (well, her, in this case) own”. I take a little issue with some of it (i believe that those justices listed provide a balance that, should it be removed, would certainly be for the worse…i think those combined with the others help bring about a certain balance to things), but i do agree and respect your views for the most part. I could go into vast detail about the points, but its not really productive except for me and maybe you.
And yet, I dont support dems. I see the same things happening on the other side here, but often times its spun so its “we’re taking social security from someone” or “children will starve” when its an -R- beside the person’s name.
For instance, welfare vs workfare. In virginia when that was first looked at years ago, people cried foul play. the supporters were painted as people who wanted to starve and subjugate people, when really…it was a program to help people get on their feet and help ween them off the state rosters. I think people working for what they earn, and being allowed to keep as much of it as possible, is a good thing. And the list goes from there.
An interesting dichotomy, that we 2 can agree and disagree in such ways
I totally agree misstressjustice. Oh..you didn’t say that..my bad. Sorry.
Well, they’re “my” Raiders too — since before you were born, young one — so your point is well taken in terms of things being cyclical. With any luck, hopefully soon the donkeys can go back to being the new, self-destructive Raiders, and my party can return to the winning ways of the “old” Raiders.
Au contraire, on a couple of counts. First of all, it’s not “victimhood” but teeth-grinding frustration that led to the original comparison; Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for their recent poor fortunes, and as far as I’m concerned you can’t be a “victim” of yourself. Second, how you can claim that Republicans have dominated politics since 1978 is a mystery… but perhaps it was meant for dramatic effect more than precision.
Anyway, as one Raiders fan to another, in this limited context I’ll refer to you as “Sister Blood.” Let’s hope Russell and McFadden turn out to be the Wunderkinds they’re cracked up to be, hmm?
- I don’t want justices like Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito on the bench at any level.
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I prefer strict constructionists. In fact the supreme court should be massively conservative at all times in my opinion even if the other branches change.
- I’m not a hawk,or into nation building.
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Me neither, except during wartime.
- I don’t think all other religions are inferior or wrong, compared to Christianity.
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Agreed since i am not a christian.
- I believe gays and lesbians deserve the same rights as straight Americans.
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Agreed. I don’t believe marriage is a right.
- I believe universal healtcare should be mandatory for all children.
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I am flexable on this as long as you accept the bad with the good. And believe me there is bad.
- I support very temporary government sponsored welfare and foodstamps, until a family is or should be back on their feet. I did support Clinton’s Welfare Reform Act.
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Me too. except it never stays temporary does it? I also support government sponsored work training to get people off welfare.
- I don’t mind paying higher taxes to support the last two issues.
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Thats one of the bad things about it
- I am completely pro-choice, but against partial-birth abortions unless mother’s life is in danger.
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I would mostly agree, i dispise abortion but understand it. Not girl under 18 should be able to get one without perants or court approval, just like any other medical procedure.
- I believe the Iran-Contra fiasco was the most offensive, chickensh*!, and corrupt scandal ever(worse than Watergate).
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I disagree. The only difference is they got caught.
- Outside of a brief flirtation with Maverick McCain back in 1999-2005, I’ve never seen a Republican worth voting for who shares my values.(Charlie Crist may change my mind in Florida, if our budget situation improves).
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After 8 years of constant insults from democrats because i dared to not hate this president, i would rather chew off my left arm than vote democrat.
Vickisoup,
Have you been to see the Liberty Bell recently? They have moved it across the lawn from where it used to sit. They’ve placed in a cool new building that gives context to the Bell. But when they were digging up the grass, they found something they didn’t know was there: The slave quarters for slaves that lived in the area. The Liberty sat on top of slave quarters. Ironic.
vickisoup,
The Civil War was not fought to free the slaves. That is a misconception that isn’t often addressed. The Civil War was fought to preserve the Union. No more, no less. The emancipation of the slaves was done to both punish the South and satisfy those who did want to free the slaves. However, the Civil War was not fought TO free them.
Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell are bittersweet reminder’s of the cruelty of man. The fact that some were cognizant of how significant freedom was enough to put their lives on the line for it, and then turn around and allow the enslavement of those “less deserving” of this freedom is a shame.
It’s easier to suck up to black people to continue to leverage their vote instead of actually doing REAL work. Anything for the sake of political correctness.
And this notion that Jim Crow continues to affect the “professional” lives of blacks? Please. How do these geniuses explain the existence of Affirmative Action? How does Jim Crow influence the personal choices of black people? What does Jim Crow have to do with black personal choices such as having babies out of wedlock, drug dependency, crime, poverty, and jail?
People (including myself) have encountered discrimination. I’ve seen my mother face age discrimination as she got older in her career. Military spouses (like myself) encounter discrimination because we’re thought of as “transients” even though we’re qualified to be employed in a given field. We’d love to have the breaks that Affirmative Action has given many minority candidates.
I didn’t know you could scapegoat a dead system like Jim Crow but I guess I was wrong. If Congress is going to give reparations to blacks they better give it to Native Americans and Japanese Americans, oh and those poor Hispanic Americans. These political bafoons really need a crash course in relevancy and reality (and I’m talking both political parties here).
No one is asking you, MNUSMCDavid, AlohaGuy, or any other individual here to apologize. You, as private citizens can be as little or as much racist as you want.
The United States Government is apologizing for racist policies that it enacted.
emjem24,
Firstly, Affirmative Action give preference to females over males. You are a minority, being female, so yes, you are getting “the breaks”.
And how has that worked out for you?
Urban myth, that one. At least, when it is attributed to Irish experience in the US. No one has ever produced an actual sign, or a photo of a sign, or an advertisment in a Newspaper, with that language.
http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm
but hey, imagined grievances are what drive many people!
I have a question:
What is the over-under number on the prediction
for the exact date that race-hustlers like Jackson
and Sharpton say:
“If Obama is not elected President then:
No justice, no peace”?
OT, Earthquake! Felt like a big un.
There is a case to be made that slavery actually helped all of the “Afircan Americans” that are US citizens today. Had there ancestors not been tranported to this country, they would be living in Africa. What is the standard of living there? Maybe the “African Americans” should stop trying to be different and start trying to fit in. Those that have have succeeded.
Good because I will not apologize for things I didn’t do.
Disagreeing with you does not make me racist so you can shave that one where the sun doesn’t shine.
1/ Slavery existed BEFORE the usa so it did not enact it. It condoned it and then lost 350,000 lives to remove it. You are welcome.
2/ Jim crow laws were STATE and LOCAL laws not federal laws. In fact it was federal actions that removed it.
I’m not at all racist. And I think slavery is an abomination. Once it was legal here, now thankfully it isn’t. Hasn’t been for generations. Go to school, study hard, get a job, work hard. Nothing about race in any of that. It’s all available. Black people can go to Harvard and Princeton and run for President. There are no limitations, only in your mind. And I have no guilt and think the freaking Congress has better things to do than pander.