Californians coming around on drilling
See what happens when you lead?
It took the Beltway GOP long enough to get in front of the issue, but now it’s paying off.
No need for “rebranding” or “re-imaging” or moving to the left. Just moving ahead in the Right direction.
Let’s see more:
A majority of Californians favor more oil drilling off the coast, according to a statewide survey released Wednesday, for the first time since oil prices spiked nearly three decades ago.
The support by 51 percent of residents polled this month by the Public Policy Institute of California represents a shift caused by renewed Republican advocacy for drilling as well as motorists’ reaction to soaring pump prices, according to the pollster.
With high oil prices and calls from President Bush and Republican presidential aspirant Sen. John McCain to open coastal waters to domestic production, support for drilling has jumped, particularly among Republicans, the poll says. Support increases with age and is slightly higher among men than women.
But as the price of oil hovers around $120 per barrel, double the cost a year ago, support for drilling has increased even among Democrats and independents, says the survey of 2,504 adult residents polled across the state July 8-22.
… the biggest single factor in the change in attitude to drilling, he said, is “much more political support among Republican voters for offshore oil drilling than there was a year ago. The Republicans are hearing both from the president and the presidential nominee, who are making the case that drilling is good for economic and national security.”
Republicans account for the greatest jump in support of offshore oil drilling, with 77 percent in favor, compared with 60 percent in the same poll last year. Democrats increased support to 35 percent in favor from 29 percent last year. Independents shifted to 44 percent in support compared with 33 percent in favor last year.
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The Foundry finds Babs Boxer on another planet.
Looks like more and more Americans ain’t buying Barack’s inflate-your-tires solution.
Rush Limbaugh has fun with Obama’s hot air:
Commenter JSR:
We might want to hold off on that drilling. I inflated my tires last week and prices around Atlanta are already down at least 10 cents.
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We might want to hold off on that drilling. I inflated my tires last week and prices around Atlanta are already down at least 10 cents.
ROFLMAO
Hey jsr, can you get a tune-up. I would like to see it come down another dime.
Translation: “I’ll tell you what to think and what is best peasants!”
jsr:
Yeah, inflating your tires was equal to drilling for about 2 million barrels of oil.
“Have you seen the price of
arugulaa tune up lately?”It’s official, Odumbo is still using.
Having lived in CA for 22 yrs…that’s complete B.S. The change in attitude is that Californians pay some the highest prices at the pumps in the entire nation. And now the stampede to drill is INCLUDING democrats.
Aj,
I sure hope so… at least then there’s some excuse for his stupidity.
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jsr,
Good stuff!
Can someone in California let us know how the rolling blackout situation is coming along? Maybe if we direct some of the hot air coming out of D.C. we can generate more electricity.
Between Babs wanting wind power, Teddy K against wind power (at least in his scenic view), BO wanting us to check the air in our tires, and Juan wanting us to import more illegals, I feel our great nation is being destroyed by our leaders.
Load ammo, stock up on supplies, it’s going to get rough.
Agreed. I don’t suspect it has so much to do with the minority of minority party in CA in favor as it does the majority party in CA getting tired of paying high dollar for fuel.
For more drilling, you bet. These politicians are really something else they talk about our beaches as if they are some pristine environments. The fact is more often than not in recent years you are liable to show up at the beach only to find little signs in the sand warning you that the water is not safe. Years ago I would see license plates from every state on our roads during the summer people came out here in their motor homes, with their motorcycles, boats and dune buggies. Well all of that requires, yep, gasoline, something these democrats are staunchly against. So her argument is once again nothing more than liberal doubletalk.
I used to live in Santa Barbara. The oil rigs off the coast were actually pretty at night, off in the distance in the dark with little twinking lights… and every now and then their was a flash of flame as they burned off the natural gas that leaked out.
Someone needs to check and see if there’s a air valve coming out of the back of Odumbo’s head.
The 51% that don’t live along the coastline.
Rush is having fun with bho filling the tires to save gas now. BTW, I wish Rush a happy 20th anniversary, he is great as you also Michelle.
L
Perhaps, a surge in drilling will make the bottomless money pit of a deficit that CA currently finds itself to be not quite as deep a hole.
However, I’m sure the ever-increasing numbers of fleeing Californians will find cheaper pastures (and cheaper gas prices) to be more satisfying when the CA Dem political machine decides against drilling in favor of more practical measures such as closing off streets to vehicular traffic. It’s the newest “green” sensation.
If Obambi flapped his ears we’d have enough wind power to use for decades.
I feel no sympathy for Californians, none whatever. If was California in 1969 that started the Get Oil Out campaign (”G00″) as a result of the Santa Barbara channel spill. There was a cartoon at the time, I think it was in the Christian Science Monitor, that showed a family arriving at the shore — and there to their horror was an oil derrick! Presumably the family got to the place by teleporting. The captian read: Why do we tolerate it?
They didn’t. The only surprise to me was that it took two generations but now the chickens have come home to roost. Too bad the rest of the country has to suffer as well, but California and their liberal masters deserve it.
Inflate your tires with nitrogen and you can inflate the profit of whoever is selling this sham to you.
You do, however, need to keep your tires properly inflated. It will increase your mileage a bit if they are currently underinflated…and make your vehicle less likely to suffer tire failure, especially with the very hot highways we have now.
Interesting fact: Obama is right and Limbaugh is wrong. Regular tuneups and fully inflated tires would save about as much gas as new US offshore drilling would produce. Listen to Limbaugh carefully and you will that he doesn’t actually deny the point, he just makes fun of it.
Obama’s point is that this is a small amount of gas. Bottom line: new offshore drilling will not contribute much to our gas supply. It is not the solution to our gas shortage. Saying it will is demagoguery.
We could have just taken ALL of Iraq’s oil, but noooooooo. We are wimps.
Take a look at the RCP poll for Cali. Obama up ONLY 10. Now McCain might not be able to win it, but it should force Obama to put some money there. Last night on MSNBC, Roy C. Koff said the McCain campaign is getting desperate. Seems like everything Obama gets a little threatened, he reminds us that he has a funny name.
It’s amazing how many true CONSERVATIVES there are in CA when we’re allowed to COME OUT OF THE CLOSET!
Okay. I’m going to attempt a discussion with you on this, lgm.
See. Here’s the problem. You only listen to part of the proposal. You are only focusing on the outer continental shelf drilling aspect. There are also domestic oil reserves in the 48 contiguous U.S. states, as well as billions of barrels in ANWR. Try not to get tunnel vision. Look at the broader aspect of what is available.
I understand that oil is not available to us in unlimited quantities. I’m all for developing alternative methods for producing energy. I also understand that these alternative sources are only in the development stage, some of them only in the theory stage. No one knows when we will see if/when they might come to fruition. Until then, we can drill for domestic oil, which can be used in the interim to reduce the price of skyrocketing fuel for families across the country.
Obama is the one who is selling this sham.
I can’t believe what I’m hearing from this ditz!
This is national security we’re talking about here. This is his plan for improving national security?? How is inflating my tires going improve national security??
This guy can’t even sound out a presidential talking point! As president, in a meeting with his national security council, this will his recommendation?
My name is R. Joseph Mann and I have been an oil man my whole life. From the plastic bottle that I used to get my vitamins from, to the Ponitac Grand Am which also was largely made of plastic, and used quite a bit of oil.
Over 150 dollars a week from my pay check goes to countries that hate me and the country I stand for. What’s even worse is we have oil available to us in the United States. Except they always give it some name as to imply fairy-tale like meaning: ANWR. Now I get it. Animals are cute and fluffy.
Here’s a fact:
There is also the California coast and the Gulf of Mexico, where even China is drilling. I understand it would be great to have windmills, and solar panels across the plains, but we’re not there YET. Let’s not go bankrupt waiting for the next school of energy to become a reliable source.
My name is R.Joseph Mann and I approved this message.
Yes, there are a lot of conservatives in CA (including me), however, we have such a lopsided Democtrat stranglehold here with gerrymandered districts, that it’s virtually impossible to turn that tide.
Besides, we also have a lot of very stupid people here who keep voting for people like Feinstein and Boxer over and over again. I go and vote against them every chance they’re up for re-election…
They’re here for life.
Silkyinfamous, that was pretty good!
don’t worry, Senator Obama’s only a sweater away from Jimmah
Fixed it for you, see abstractmind’s previous posts on the topic where he completely destroyed your “small supply” argument. If we had opened up ANWR and it’s potential billions of barrels in 1996 when it came up for a vote we would have had full production output and enough oil presumably along with other domestic oil drilling to be no longer dependent on foreign oil as the primary source of oil today. It’s not too late, we build refineries here and now and drill now and can give ourselves enough time to push for alternative energy and keep the economy running because planes, trains and shipping trucks don’t power themselves but without them the economy grinds to a halt.
Kalifornia Kafir said:
Probably true … those that can afford the obscenely expensive coastal homes in California are not the ones that are affected by things like the massive increase in costs of things like gasoline, food, electrical service, etc., etc., etc.
Well one things for sure never rely on beenthere and its type, we don’t want its sympathy take it and, well you know. Tell me, what big mouth do nothing state do you hail from? I have my suspicions the arrogance gives it away every time. This nation and her people can consider themselves darn lucky that you were not there in times of crisis, you don’t need a white flag yours is yellow. There are lots of us here, why do you suppose they are attacking the home schoolers, they are a threat to their leftist ideology. Why are we approving through the ballot, initiatives, only to see the will of the people usurped by the courts? The battle is here the frontlines against liberalism are where we choose to stand and fight. No we don’t want or need your sympathy and you stay right where you are we can’t afford to have you anywhere near us.
Yeah the tune up thing is a good idea too bad they already require that you undergo one every two years, you know, to get your smog certificate. Or maybe they don’t know I don’t believe they require a certificate for bicycle riders. The illegal’s appear to be exempt judging by the condition of their vehicles you can find them everyday along the coast, I know I live there always have.
-lgm
Problem is, many of us already keep our cars tuned up and tires inflated properly. There’s no gain to be had if that’s the case. Limbaugh doesn’t deny Obama’s point, because he doesn’t need to do so. It’s ridiculous on its face.
Limbaugh mocks Obama because his big solution is to repeat automobile common sense that most folks have known about for decades.
You obviously didn’t read the links above. If you had, you’d know that you might see a 3% improvement in gas mileage. . .if your tires aren’t already properly inflated and your car in proper tune. That’s a savings of 600,000 bpd, if EVERY car needed tire inflation and tuneups. The potential daily output of the proposed areas for drilling would far exceed that paltry sum.
Fully inflated tires and well tuned engines are good.
But, motorhomes,STILL need more fuel than the average economy car. A truck pulling an RV or a boat STILL burns more fuel than the average economy car. A boat pulling a water skier STILL burns more fuel than any car. And a car, even an economy car, being driven on a cross-country road trip STILL burns more than the same car driving to and from work and the store during the week.
What’s the Democrats solution to the above scenarios?
idle their suvs with the a/c on?
Congress will probably let the ban on Offshore drilling expire on Sept.30th so that they can get reelected. Millions of households will be buying heating oil in Oct. & Nov., this added demand will push the price of gasoline to $5.00 per gallon. Then, if the Dems remain in control of Congress, they will renew the ban. Sort of like what they did with the Secure Fence Act, pass it, then take away the money to fund it. The only way we will get more domestic oil is to take back both houses of Congress and that will take a miracle.
Yashmak, I think we have to understand that Obamas comment was directed at liberals who don’t know to inflate their tires without the government telling them. I also understand he is planning a tune-up tax credit to cover the cost of that as well to provide incentive to liberals that aren’t aware of the benefit of a well maintained car.
They might let us drill but how the he77 we going to get it out?
California said Thursday it planned to sue the US government for failing to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from ships, aircraft, construction and agricultural equipment.
California is already suing the EPA over the agency’s failure to approve the state’s proposed standards for vehicle emissions.
Yeah. Like that, AJ.
Obama’s argument is to tune up our cars and properly inflate our tires in order to save the same amount of money we would if we were to take advantage of our own resources.
I say let’s double our savings and do both… DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW, AND INFLATE YOUR TIRES!
Lord knows why I even try, but here goes, since there has been a Congressional moratorium on both drilling and exploration in the vast majority of federally controlled land for the past 30 years, how do you have any idea how much oil could be produced if we drill? Sure there are huge estimates, high and low, on both sides of the debate, but who really knows?
On the other hand, the additional amount produced if we don’t try drilling is zero. As Wayne Gretzky used to say, “You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.”
Actualy what you are seeing is a different phenomenon in California…
The numbers are changing because of the demographic change.
Latino voters, while voting Democrat are NOT as envirowhacko as the Rich white Bay Area crowd which has dominated California Political thinking for the last generation.
With White flight still happening in California (enviros movig to Boulder), and more and more Latinos moving in… the numbers are changing on THAT issue.
Face it, I used to live in California, and there were many years where I NEVER went to the beach… but I drive every dang day…
Why does anyone answer lgm? It’s like talking to a piece of particle board… and just as exciting.
I used to think that you needed to start thinking for yourself. It appears you are now. Please stop! Since your a math whiz and everything, here is a math problem for you. If we pumped 3 million barrels more of oil a day, how many more barrels of oil will we have everyday? You can use the Dora the Explorer calculator you got for Christmas last year, if it will help.
Ron:
I think lgm doesn’t know what “demagoguery” means. Better send him a dictionary as well as a calculator.
I get it now lgm is clairvoyant.
I knew he listened to conservative radio. Picture him just sitting there listening, twitching, blood boiling, wearing a burka.
These people are beyond stupid. Who’s going to stop the Chinese pollution that drifts across the Pacific in a giant cloud and is plaguing our state? Ten years ago our air was much cleaner, today you can witness the foreign pollution building up on our cars. Remember the Malibu fire, well the ash that fell was not anything like the ash that falls during forest fires. It was a thick gritty black substance that blanketed everything and was next to impossible to remove. Liberal homes burning and then falling on the rest of us, choking us out, I’m thinking of suing the city/state as soon as my illegal alien application is approved. Also, I am recommending that we start calling the guvner the kindergarten kop he’s no governator. The demographic change is right on, the liberals are running away from what they created to places like, well take a look at where the mayor of San Francisco recently married. Where do Robert Redford, Phil Jackson etc. etc. all Barack supporters live? They came here in the sixties and like locusts they ravaged the state, now they are moving on as locusts will do.
It would seem that even Californians are figuring out that the oil situation could force them to move out of their McMansions. Now THAT would be painful (for them). Glad that some of them are finally coming to their senses, though.
O
ROFL – a closet Rush listener. Maybe there is hope? NAAAAAA
This Californian is for it all. Drilling (put it in my own back yard, I don’t care!), refining, nuclear and whatever else is available.
Bring it on!
You are correct. And it’s funny because “demagoguery” doesn’t sound anything like “common sense” when you say it. Maybe he just can’t spell.
Yeah, riiiiight.
Who doesn’t recognize lawyers and third-rate math teachers as authorities on energy production? Whadda the engineers and geologists know? Certainly not the price of arugula at Whole Foods.
Oil is Ammunition
Link goes to a GREAT vintage WW2 Poster, send a copy to ALL your congresscritters.
MM – you might want to put this one up on your next drilling article.
– dan708
Some of us have been sensible about such things for decades.
Who’da thunk it? Or, who knew?
Well a lot of people, who coincidently vote the R side of the nation.
Don’t use the word “lead” here, at least not when referring to the GOP. They’ve led nothing. They’ve led nobody.
They have pandered – to us. I’m disgusted that it has come to this, but it has: if we don’t hold them by the short hairs over every issue, they turn on us. Again and again we have said, rightly, that Conservatism is dead in the GOP.
The fact that it’s not dead outside of the GOP is the only thing keeping them from completely caving.
RUSH led. SEAN led. MARK LEVIN led. MICHELLE led. The people who listen to them and – much more importantly – WRITE TO THE GOP AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES… THEY LED.
That’s US, for the most part. We made this happen.
We need a party that considers our values its own. We can disagree, and the tent can be plenty large – but this has become absurd.
Oil, borders, abortion, health care, Supreme Court justices, etc.
Is there ANYTHING that we don’t have to bully the GOP into doing right?
What core values DO we share in common at this point?
…and saying inflating your tires will do anything to ease a surrendercrat caused energy shortage is utter stupidity.
You admit there is a gas shortage, yet propose all kinds of insane solutions other than something that will actually ease the shortage.
What’s next? Inflating your tires with helium to further increase your mileage by making your car lighter?
Technically, Ms. Boxer is correct. She poses the question: “[I]f you knew you could get more energy from efficiency and clean technologies such as solar, wind and geothermal, would you rather do that or drill. . .?”
Now, you can get more energy from efficiency, solar, wind, et al, but (and here is the key point, which she apparently has not gotten) this is not an “either-or” situation; conservation, solar, etc are not enough. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, hydrocarbon is the way to go. At least, until the enviro-types start allowing huge windfarms and are okay with appropriating million of acres for solar panels.
RobM1981:
I understand your frustration. But don’t forget: When has Congress ever been in step with the people? Since its beginnings in the 18th century, Congress has always been filled with cowards, fools, and windbags. Maybe I’m cynical but I think that’s the nature of government. And that’s why having as little government as possible is a good thing.
At least we have easy means to be in contact with our
windbagsrepresentatives – and sometimes they do listen.Wind and solar have been around since the eighties, actually wind has been around prior to the 1880’s. Solar works good for heating water but requires mirrors to amplify it beyond that which probably creates a lot of heat. Windmills such as outside of Palm Springs work ok but take up massive amounts of land and are sometimes damaged by, yep, excessive wind. Geothermal works good but the trade off is increased seismic activity, earthquakes. Conservation, people must have missed the early 1970’s call for conservation, we didn’t have computers, cell phones, portable music players or much of the electronics that many of you have today in this electronic generation. We were more mechanical and used less energy as a result. We haven’t become smaller we have gone from muscle power to power tools we can’t go back, unless those who have grown up in this electronic world want to toss everything they have today, away. You want a world like that maybe you should see what it was like, watch Leave it to Beaver and look around the house at what the cleavers have, there ya go. So what we have here is the leave it to beaver congress, terrific.
I wish you would use paragraphs.
I’ll try. English was always a subject I didn’t give my full attention to, I’m today sorry to say. Which just goes to prove that whatever you do or don’t reinforce as a youth stays with you or bad habits are hard to break.
One more reason to drill. The fools are on their way to banning fast food in minority neighborhoods in LA. Evidently there’s a fat crisis going on but as with all liberal ideas there are the ignored consequences. Anyone think this will stop someone from eating a cheese burger if they want to? No, what will happen is they will need to drive further for that burger which will only increase demand.
On the other hand they could install scales at every ff outlet similar to what they have at Disneyland and their minimum height requirements on rides. Its starting to become apparent that the liberals have turned on all of us special interest groups, minorities you name it. I do believe we are witnessing them losing their minds. I don’t have any other explanation for what we are seeing.
This is the most ignorant statement made today on this website.
lgm, please show us your model, accompanying assumptions, and a sensitivity analysis. I really could use some funny reading material for the weekend….or was this “FACT” determined by some magical means?
lgm, I think this is the 2nd time I’ve asked you this, but are you really a conservative that pretends to be liberal in order to make liberals look silly?
No, corkie. lgm is that silly.
I don’t know about a burka but I have heard rumor that he has taken up some rather fashionable dress these days, JT.
P.S.
I still like that pic, BM.
lgm, it is true that properly inflated tires and a well tuned engine will increase gas mileage. I know, I used to turn wrenches for Chevron. However, conservation can only take you so far.
If every light bulb in this state was an LCF, what happens when you build more houses? Think! Somewhere, you hit the point of diminishing returns. Conservation is like that. Alone, it can only get you so far. Alternative energy like wind, solar, and geothermal, produce about 1% of all energy in this country. You MUST increase energy output along with reasonable conservation measures. This is just common sense. Read this issue of Imprimus from Hillsdale College. You will learn about the failure of alternative energy and how nuclear energy is safe, efficient, and clean.
If we stopped buring coal and oil for electricity, and substituted nuclear power, we would be better off as a nation.
lgm also attempts to forget the psychological effect that even the potential for new oil has on the markets. And the likelihood that we will be able develop resources such as oil shale in usable quantities is far greater than that of the proposed alternatives. That doesn’t mean they should not be developed, but that both will be needed to offset decreasing oil supplies and burgeoning populations in developed/developing countries.
The oil is there, it is in appreciable quantities, and will eventually be developed anyway (particularly when those Northeast liberals start freezing their butts off. To deny that will do nothing but make the costs of whatever energy we have to compete with the rest of the world to get, to the detriment of the “most vulnerable among us,” to use the usual reflexive liberal talking point.
Well, we’re all pretty much screwed if we don’t start drilling…Unless!…unless, we put large amounts of money into the only viable alternative energy source – Cold Fusion
Seeing how Obama fancies himself such an intellect, I am surprised he hasn’t mentioned that source even once.
/sarcasm off>
One more thing – thanks to the History channel, I learned something new. According to ‘Modern Marvels’ we do use 20 million barrels of oil daily in the US, but only 50% of each barrel ends up in gasoline, 15% goes to create diesel, but the other 35% goes to general use in everyday items from clothing to contacts to pharmaceuticals, etc. If this is true, I would love to hear how the Dems plan on replacing that much oil in the general marketplace without drilling…Anybody else heard this?
Offical statistics on petroleum usage here.
Oil mainly goes into transportation fuels, it only makes up a small part of electrical production. Alternate energy mostly is about producing electricity, so most of if doesn’t even address substituting for petroleum. And we’ve seen how well corn ethanol is working out.
By the way, there are a couple of techniques for fusion that are promising, but even assuming they are proved in the laboratory this year, it would be 5-10 years before they could begun to be deployed in any serious way.
And that still doesn’t address transportation fuels.
There is a program I saw on the history channel called Oil, a two hour show on the history and uses of oil it was a fairly good show. Be advised though all these channels, history, science etc are on board with the global warming agenda they never miss an opportunity to try to link just about everything to humans and climate change. You’d think with a name like the history channel they would know a little about actual history, well that would be my idea of an educational channel anyway.
These zealots even go as far as not even bothering to hide what they are all about, its Discovery Times, as in the NY times. They recently added a channel called planet green in our educational lineup, I cant stomach watching the liberals doing what liberals do best, sitting around scared to death discussing the impending doom, while they sit at a table eating a catered meal, of course. The propaganda is everywhere on TV they must think we are a bunch of idiots.
Thanks for the links on petroleum usage – I just find it interesting that there are a ton of other products that are based on petroleum that never get mentioned when we talk about oil usage. Granted it is a much smaller amount of the total, but interesting nonetheless. I am still waiting on a good fusion process to come out. It is truly one of the only viable alternatives with the potential to produce more energy than is consumed in the production, and with little to no waste.
True, so very true. I like the History Channel for its original programming like Cities of the Underworld and everything Roman Empire I can watch – but I have definitely tuned them out when they put on their global warming crap. You can’t even watch shows about dinosaurs or earth history without being bombarded with all the hype.
However, I did find a great show on global warming from Penn and Teller on Showtime called “BullSh*t” – yes, I know, not exactly the conservative bunch, but they go after Gore pretty hard in it as well as some of the other wackos in the environmental crowd. Pretty darn entertaining!