Whom to root against? CAIR sues Abercrombie & Fitch
Okay, this is ridiculous on many levels.
The Oklahoma chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-OK) announced today that it has filed an EEOC complaint on behalf of a Muslim woman who was allegedly denied employment at an Abercrombie Kids store in that state because of the applicant’s religiously-mandated headscarf, or hijab.
The woman told CAIR-OK that a district manager claimed he could not hire her because her Islamic headscarf “does not fit the Abercrombie image.”
What, wasn’t the OKC Hooters hiring? This plaintiff is fighting to preserve her modesty while going to work for a company that’s injected more soft porn into our cultural bloodstream than Cinemax?
Next up: the Bada Bing Strip Club gets sued for refusing to let their dancers shimmy inside a burqa.
Of course the plaintiff was going to work for Abercrombie Kids, which is a pretty creepy bit of branding synergy right there. I didn’t even know such a thing existed. But I can see the niche it fills–parents worried that modern society is too sheltering. Some dad’s out there going, “my kids are going to preserve their innocence too long…is there a store where I can get them a head start on that lucrative streetwalker career?”
I remember when Abercrombie and Fitch was basically like Cabela’s or Bass Pro Shops for the Weatherby and Orvis set. I still have a faded T-Shirt of theirs, with the rhino logo, from the late 1980s. It’s a great loss.
On the other hand, as with Jamal Miftah, this is radical Islam asserting itself yet again in the heartland. This isn’t Manchester or Khartoum or Basra. Based on the A&F store locator, this is apparently either Penn Square Mall, or Quail Springs, or Woodland Hills malls in Oklahoma.
Which shouldn’t be surprising–after all, terrorism expert Steven Emerson first encountered radical Islam at the Oklahoma City fairgrounds on Christmas day, 1992.
So whom do I root against? The worst reactionary impulses of the seventh century, or the engines of postmodern degradation? A pox on both their houses.
UPDATE: It’s Tulsa, again. Thanks to reader MikeOK.
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{Post by See-Dubya. H/T to Cuffy at Perfunction–but a CONTENT WARNING on his post. He’s included some catalog samples of what “the Abercrombie image” is all about, which aren’t safe for work.}
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brokn-red #100, ya got me on my court comment.
bit-boy, no dis to you but we can’t wait for the courts, the congress or the anything… any sober man can see that we are on our own… God bless America.
Why did she pick A& F unless she wanted to make a statement and sue the company.
Here are alternative places to work:
PetCo (opps, dogs)
Sam’s Club (opps, ham and bacon products)
Vickie’s Secret (opps she would have to wear one of those ear thingys)
Hair Cuttery (opps, Jews, blacks, and Christians, gays and – gasp-men)
Christian Book Stores (opps Christians)
Movie theaters (opps, R-rated movies, might touch Jews when taking tickets or money)
Tattoo parlors (opps, might see uncovered men and women)
Manufacturing plant (opps, scarf might get caught in machinery)
Vet clinic (opps, dogs)
Walmart (opps, bacon and Christian books)
Hardware store (hmmm, this might be ok)
Running out of ideas here
Just curious, why was a district manager involved in the hiring process?
Where I work, we carefully structure the interview, have group interviews and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER provide details about why we did not pick someone.
Something smells here. This is now a he said she said situation.
Helene re: “Something smells here.”
Ya think?
It’s easy for me to take sides – GO A&F.
We should all support their efforts.
I guess the irony of using naked people to sell clothes is lost on their target audience. On the other hand, sorry, it’s their business – even if a sorry one – and this lady needs to find employment elsewhere.
When 7th century clothing met 21st century employment…
Really? Where are the devil worshippers going to keep their goats and chickens? Dress the way you want – expect blowback.
No. We are guaranteed free expression of religion by the First Amendment. Businesses are not allowed to discriminate based on religion, period.
If someone refused to hire a Jewish man for wearing a yarmukle, you’d all be flipping out. It is no difference.
And why would a modest Muslim woman apply to A+F? The same reason men apply at Hooters. Because those hiring practices are illegal and someone needs to put a stop to it.
Back to Country of origin, works for me. They don’t like it here, go home. Why even come to the U.S. in the first place?
So does that mean we can have prayer in school? Can we also allow our children to read the Bible in public schools as well?
Do enlighten us, Rusty.
rusty, re: “Because those hiring practices are illegal and someone needs to put a stop to it.”
Uhhhh, actually there is no “right to work” in a free society. It is a free market thing… for example, let’s say someone was willing to pay more than you to live in yer mamma’s basement…
yeah, it is like that in the real world. Oh & check this out, an employer can let you go for any reason… like poor performance… ooooh scary. OK I don’t log on to call people names, unless it crosses the line & I must call out treason… but really , if anyone deserves to be sued here it is your teachers.
Although I have to admit I rarely get a peek inside Abercrombie & Fitch I suspect that there aren’t too may Haredi Jews behind the register cranking the tunes and selling tank tops to teenybopers.
Who to root for?
NEITHER.
The bright spot here is that secularists and Muslims will go at each other. Let them!
Seriously, it’s better than them joining forces to destroy conservative Christianity.
Wait a minute, Rusty may have a point there. If indeed the first amendment applies at work so too does the second amendment. Is it worth the trade off, maybe.
BTW the Hooters on NW Expressway in OKC is just WEST of May Avenue
I think it depends on the state’s laws. Some do not recognize “at will employment”.
Let me get this straight…
A&F are being sued into submission because they will not hire a woman that does not fit their image and…more than likely…stated dress codes…basically stating that she refuses to follow their ways ths they should have to pay…
However, she is refusing to folow their way and thus they cannot do likewise?
If you ask me, if anyone should be sued in this case, it should be the person who is obviously holding the gun to this poor woman’s head, making her apply in a place that obviously does not even sell the same clothes that her own children are allowed to wear.
This is another prime example of a frivilous lawsuit, meant to strong-arm SECULAR BUSINESSES into become Islamic and following the Islamic brainwashing techniques.
Next thing you know, they will have to supply her with a special prayer room, special washing facilities, and so many other of Islams things that are slowly being forced on this country and it’s schools, businesses, and so many other things.
Somewhere along the way, people have mixed up tollerance and acceptance.
We must tolerate them…that does not mean we have to accept, support, sponsor or anything else that backwards, medieval, racist, sexist, biggotted, violent religion.
And neither does A&F Kids…regardless of the horrible clothing they sell to children.
Enlighten I will. State sponsored prayer is obviously unacceptable as it infringes upon the religion of others.
However, I always get my LOLs when people pretend students aren’t allowed to read their Bibles in public school. Guess what, that right is protected! Read your Bibles, pray in the cafeteria! It’s when that religion is state sponsored that it becomes a problem.
As for A+F, no business or organization is allowed to discriminate based on religious reasons unless that organization is religious in nature (ie Boy Scouts). A+F doesn’t apply.
If this were any religion other than Islam, Satanist, or Atheist, you’d all be freaking out. This isn’t just speculation on my part. Be honest with yourselves.
And if you support fighting discrimination against Christians and Jews but not Muslims, that makes you a bigot. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
“Businesses are not allowed to discriminate based on religion, period.” – Rusty #110
The problem was not her religion, the problem was her clothing versus their staff dress requirements. Do you think they should employ someone wearing KKK regalia? No, it’s not a religion, but the same argument applies, since you want to start bleating about 1st Amendment rights. A&F don’t have a problem with her religion, they have a problem with her dress code conflicting with theirs. If you want to work for them, a certain dress standard is required, and if you can’t meet that standard, then you’re outta luck, and that’s all there is to it. Religion is not part of the equation, at least not for A&F.
And secondly, why the hell should A&F have to put up with her dress code if she won’t put up with theirs? What about the rights of A&F? This is about the clothing, not the religion.
I will take a healthy American breast, even if the girl is being stupid, over these creeps till the day I die. End Story.
This isn’t discrimination, it is granting someone an exception to the stores policies. They know this by the way. They are waging their little jihad in our courts. They have done this in Minnesota where factory workers sued over being forced to wear pants (no kidding) and muslim cab drivers were refusing to carry seeing eye dogs because of their “religious objections”. They are suing McDonalds in Michigan because they can’t wear a hijab while getting you to super size your Grease McSalt. They have been doing it in the UK as well. They tried the whole “I wont drive people who have alcohol in my cab” bit in Australia and they got their asses fired. They have been doing it in Canada and the Netherlands and extorting money and concessions out of their governments.
Simply put, they can’t be allowed to get away with this.
I am actually a minister in the church of “I will hire or fire whomever the hell I want” and I object to your bigotry against my flock and our sacred texts.
You really need to take a look at this link. I love things that are infuriating yet funny at the same time. It cost the 32 year old hairdresser/business owner nearly $80.000 US to defend herself from this BS. Guess it’s more infuriating then funny.
I gotta hand it to you, that was perhaps the longest route you’ve ever taken before labeing one and all on the board “bigots” for not throwing common sense out the window in support of what you perceive to be a civil slight. You waited until the fifth short paragraph but, by-dingys, you eventually got there!
Rusty, are you telling us that A&F doesn’t hire anyone that practices her religion? If so, then this is serious. Please provide us with the facts to support your claim.
BTW, does this mean that I must hire models and actors that refuse to wear the required wardrobes?
Rusty supports islamists he’s nothing more than a fifth columnist. Does he support rape and honor killing on the job, nah probably not. It only makes us bigots if we buy in to the assertion that islam is a religion. There is no separation of mosque and state in islam it’s a regimen not a religion but rusty knows that so why the line in the sand, fifth columnist, what else? You think this ios a game rusty you just watch, most of us Americans are not fooling around with the life liberty and pursuit of happiness the constitution guarantees us. If I were you I would keep a low profile otherwise you are going to end up living with them permanently.
Bill Grant, the difference between the examples you provide and the A+F case should be obvious. This isn’t an employee refusing to touch clothes she finds improper. This isn’t the Christian worker who refuses to work on Christmas. And this certainly isn’t a Muslim refusing to transport seeing eye dogs or alcohol or handle pork. Those examples, I’m right there with you.
This is someone refused a job because she wore religious garb. Can you honestly tell me that you would support A+F not hiring Orthodox Jews because of their yarmukles? I believe that many would rush to defend the potential Jewish employee in that case. But because we’re dealing with a Muslim, the bigotry comes out.
This is a lot like the ridiculous Michael Savage case against CAIR that a judge wisely threw out. That was a real attack on free speech and on fair use that the authors of this site use every day. But because someone was suing CAIR you immediately took their side, consequences be damned. People refuse to think this through because their knee jerk reaction is to hate Muslims in any legal case. And that is bigotry.
Rusty:
You call me a bigot because I find Sharia law, which says that a woman’s testimony is worth half of a man’s offensive?
You call me a bigot because I find female genital mutilitaion intolerable?
You call me a bigot because I find a “religion” that commands its believers to kill unbelievers unacceptable?
You call me a bigot because I find that polygamy is degrading to women?
You call me a bigot because I think pedophilia is an abomination?
You call me a bigot because I believe that honor killings are murderous attempts to control women?
Sure, call me a bigot. I have good reason to loathe Islam.
Your support of such atrocities tells me that you are nothing but an animal. You are a misogynistic POS.
I wonder if and when we Americans will have had enough and rise up and shut down the people that want to “change” our country!
The way Rusty uses the Jewish card it makes you think, islamist. That’s why he uses the islamist playbook, when islam is criticized bring in the other religions to distract from the discussion. Its so predictable it has become annoying, Jews set up shops muslims destroy shops. I’ll tell ya what I’ll use the Jewish shop you use the muslim shop. Let free will and the market decide if you dare instead of attempting to force your despicable ideology down the rest of our throats, which when pointed out you automatically whip out the constitution as protection.
The Bund had the same idea its nothing new, are these guys capable of any original thought, no, they just copy what has been tried before. If I have to choose between being a so called bigot and being a murderous wife beater and child molester I choose the so called bigot every time. Bigot, bigot, bigot, bigot, bigot, bigot, bigot, bigot….bigot. Ladies and gentlemen its time to play the Jewish/Christian/Atheist card, start applying at muslim owned shops in your particularly offensive ideological garb. You see, some American stores just wont hire you, muslim stores it could get you butchered they cant handle it they will lose control. So everyone start pushing buttons and don’t forget to duck.
ahhhh, religion, how much it helps…
I’m wondering what the official religious attire and matching accessories of Satanism and Atheism are, so I can be sure to avoid wearing them next time I find myself in a job interview.
Atheling, I support none of those things. I have the same problems with fundamentalist Islam that you all do.
That doesn’t mean that we’re allowed to treat that religion differently under law. If you support that, you don’t support the Constitution and you are an unpatriotic “POS.”
God I hope A+F fires someone for wearing a cross necklace and you all can eat your idiot words.
Well its time all of us unite, a Christian might believe that an atheist is wrong but they don’t hate them for it. There’s a minister or two in my ancestry a few atheists as well and sometimes they were siblings yet strangely there was no family divide, great debate, you bet, but everyone walked away unscathed afterward. You see in Christianity there is no forcing of belief, its all about faith and free choice, no real Christian would force anyone to embrace their religion, it would be counter to faith and choice and probably would get you tossed in to hell for doing it.
The left has tried to make people believe that Christians are the haters but listening to Andrew Breitbart on the radio regarding his uncle and the 50’s Hollywood commie blacklist, he knew that the anti commies didn’t hate him they just thought he was very wrong. The left is where the hate exists its obvious, they know that Christians are not the haters and that they are, the ole switcharoo, we see it all the time these days.
You see a cross which is under the clothing invisible to all and would require a strip search to uncover is the same as a scarf. Yes if someone wears a cross on their forehead I say fire em too.
We’re a nation of immigrants. Chamberpot immigration demands a little give-and-take until we exchange our core values for political correctness.
Rusty:
You’re full of it and you know it. All you libtards secretly hate women. That’s why you support abortion, easy on criminals, Islam, anti gun rights, anti anything that supports those who are weaker and/or more defenseless.
You pretend that there is “fundamentalist” branch of Islam – well there isn’t. Islam is a totalitarian system and has a 13 century history of oppressing women. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
You are a misogynistic POS.
Liberals want change… let’s change that law.
You got it, Atheling!
Liberals want the defenseless and weak to remain dependent on them and Democrat intervention; otherwise, their dated agenda would have no role in contemporary American society or politics and they would be promptly routed from source of power or influence.
Without some perceived wrong to guide them, liberals are truly a sad and insipid lot.
CAIR is an agent for the Muslim brotherhood, and is part of a false religion called moon god worship which is Satanic.
Abercrombie, and Fitch appears Satanic on it’s focus on sex outside marriage. At least, Abercrombie, and Fitch does not cut your head off for not shopping at their store.
I still hope CAIR loses, and is thrown out of America.
On August 3rd, 2008 at 11:50 am, Rusty said:
No, it is the inverse. When someone is hired to sell cloths, shouldn’t they wear the cloths that they are supposedly selling? If you want to project the image of teenage cool can you imagine anything more contrary then inserting oppressive religious dogma in to it? What’s next, the government mandated Abercrombie & Fitch female circumcision kit?
I can honestly say I would support Abercrombie & Fitch not hiring an orthodox Jew who refused to dress in the manor set out by the store, yes. I suspect that most orthodox Jews would have the common sense to realize that their religious attire was incompatible with the image that the store was trying to project.
You are using the word “bigotry” to invalidate an argument that you can’t invalidate rationally. If you are going to try to argue for something stupid and then call people “bigots” if you can’t otherwise address their points it just gives me license to invalidate you as an idiot. You wouldn’t want that, would you?
I haven’t taken anyones side on that specific instance. CAIR is however an extortion racket. They push for islamization and shake down companies for money and concessions. They are doing this world wide. It isn’t “bigotry” to hate parasites and bullies. It isn’t bigotry to resent someone who wants to replace the law with their law.
LOL, tell that to the judge. It is a stupid argument. Store owners have a right to protect their image, indeed they have a duty to the shareholders. What’s next if they let this woman work in her hijab? Lectures about immodesty to the customers? (It’s freedom of speech and you are a bigot for not letting them tell the teenybopers they look like whores in the tube top.)
Nope Rusty, this girl, Samantha Elaus of Tulsa is a part of a larger shakedown racket that is going to get special concessions for muslims or money. They should be treated like the crooks they are.
I for one support the right of a woman to wear a tube top! All women should wear tube tops to stand up the muslim extremists!!!
You sure about that, Rob?
Whoa, some things are better left to the imagination. As far as tube tops go, eh, now if you really want to drive them crazy, animal skins will do it every time.
I support the Constitution. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” Congress hasn’t passed any law saying this woman cannot work for A+F. You put up the money for the business, run it the way you want. You have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders, do what maximizes profit. This woman can practice her religion but why does that obligate A+F to hire her and possibly turn away the young hip cool customers they want? You’ve brought up Hooters, wouldn’t a burkha – ummm, negate the whole point of the restaurant? Doesn’t management have the right to project the image they want in order to attract the customers they want? If not, why doesn’t the government just run everything Soviet style? No differentiation, forced to hire anyone who walks in the door? Thanks for calling me a POS bigot by the way. I’m concerned about the Constitution and the way liberals have “interpreted” it for years in order to advance their agendas irrespective of what the Consitution actually says. I’m off to see if I can get a job at the FBI wearing a Che T-Shirt…
On August 3rd, 2008 at 6:31 pm, atheling said:
Yikes…I don’t know whether or not I’m going blind or turning into stone…
If you think that’s the way things work then there is no hope.
I don’t have the right to only hire white people. I don’t have the right to only hire Christians. I don’t have the right to refuse service to someone who is gay.
Businesses are not allowed to discriminate. Every single state will not allow businesses to have discriminatory hiring practices.
Now, if this woman is refusing to wear any A+F clothes, that’s one thing. Plenty of jobs have uniforms. But a hijab along with these clothes is as protected as a yarmulke.
If the ADL were filing this suit, the truth is that most of you’d support that. Bit because it’s CAIR (who I don’t fully support, I’m just looking at this particular case), you automatically oppose. In what way is this not bigotry?
“All are protected against those I don’t like.”
Atheling, if you don’t have anything intelligent to say, shut up. Us libtards are doing a pretty good job defending women’s and religious rights.
There are a thousand and one ways around this so called “right,” and there’s not a single thing the EEOC can or will do about it. (I know from experience…I was denied a job, for which I was the most qualified applicant, because of my political affiliation.)
On September 11, Islam ceased to exist as a valid “religion” in the eyes of nearly all Americans. The bigotry label is moot.
I think it is important to state that discrimination is illegal in our country on the basis of race, creed or religion. It is not right that the manager said what he did and A&F will rightfully have to pay for this.
As American, we need to stand up for and enforce our laws not selectively decide which are PC and which are not.
And obviously applying as a stripper in a burqua is a different story.
Suppose a member of the “Cowpie Hat Baptists” showed up, and his religion called for a fresh cow pat on his head every day.. (You may think this is strange, some people think a hijab is strange.) Can A+F refuse to hire him because the cow pie “does not fit the Abercrombie image.” ? And as odd as you may think it is, the cow pie is an essential teaching of his religion. Or is deciding whom to hire based on an educated guess as to how that person helps or hinders the business a legitimate right.
#150,
While 9/11 opened our eyes and showed the true threat of terrorism to our country it did not change the beliefs and morals that make our country so grand. We respect and welcome all who wish to peacefully and respectfully and legally exist within our society.
As a Catholic I welcome friendship and open arms to my Muslim friends with the knowledge that peaceful coexistence between our faiths is a reality. Not every Muslim is a terrorist, and I know personally many American Muslims in uniform who are proud and serve our country well in our fight against terrorism.
So step down from your soapbox and stop the hate.
#145
I’ll be sending you a bill for the Costco bottle of eye bleach I had to buy after reading the NSFW link
yuck
You should be saying that to lgm. He’s the
queenking of idiotic comments.
Secondly, you are full of it, Rusty. You libtards have been attacking the rights of Christians for 50 years. You don’t want us to display any religious symbols, i.e., crosses, mangers, etc… anywhere. You libtards have participated in concerted efforts to squelch any Christian discourse in politics and in our society.
You’re not only a misogynistic POS, you’re a lying one, at that.
You said it. Islam is an ersatz religion. It’s more closely aligned with totalitarianism than any true religion. It has no mysticism. It has no charitable impulse. Its founder was a thief, murderer and pedophile. It qualifies as a cult, rather than as a religion. It forces conversion. It murders apostates. Its aggression and will to dominate has been its underlying theme for 13 centuries.
Any honest, intelligent person can see that.
I guess that excludes libtards like Rusty.
I thought this was America…
There is a place uptown called B&H photo run by conservative Jews. (An excellent camera/photo store) I am going to go dress like the Ayatollah Khomeini and apply for a job. Then when they toss my idiot ass out I am going to sue because they have no right to run their business the way… Never mind, I am not an parasite who can’t earn a living honestly and I am not out to push Sharia law.
“We libtards…”
One more – suppose an evangelical came in for a job with A+F and explained it’s part of their religion to attempt to convert others to Christ and that they would tell every customer that Jesus loved them. Can A+F turn them down for a job?
Would they have to hire both, and have dueling cashiers?
Evangelical – “Come to Christ.”
Hijab Woman – “If you do we will kill you for being an infidel”
Yarmulke Guy – “Oi Vey.”
Next they’ll want to work at a pet groomer…but won’t handle dogs; or a Christian book store…but won’t handle Bibles; or a kosher food shop…but won’t serve Jews. We gotta figure a way to get them all to kill themselves…when we’re at a safe distance. Can’t we just make them go away? They give me the heeby jeebies.
Give her a job. Put her in charge of the thong table. Make her work with thongs 24 x 7. Surround her with posters of women in thongs. Then play rock the casbar ( spl )on the PA system 24 x 7. She’ll quit.
I’m with Rusty on this one. Better to be consistent in the application of the law even if its CAIR complaining about the alleged violation. I wonder if the A&F Kids store has the music turned up so loud you can’t talk in a normal voice? To show you how old I am, I bought a backpack and other camping gear at the A&F store in San Francisco in the 1970′s. They used to sell rifles for shooting lions and elephants there. Hemingway and Teddy Roosevelt used to buy their safari gear and firearms there. Now, if a woman in a burka showed me an elephant gun, that might make me a little nervous.