Late-breaking: Supreme Court consideration delays illegal alien rapist/double murderer’s execution; Update: No reprieve; executed
Update: Good riddance.
Update: Phew..Just in…”The U.S. Supreme Court has denied Mexican-born condemned prisoner Jose Medellin’s request for a reprieve. The court denied the request late Tuesday, more than three hours after Medellin’s execution was to take place. The death warrant remains in effect until midnight CDT.”
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Original post 10:27pm Eastern…
After backing the sovereignty of the state of Texas and rejecting international meddling, the US Supreme Court’s consideration of a last-ditch appeal has put illegal alien rapist/double murderer Jose Medellin’s scheduled execution tonight on hold.
Reader Sean O’Brien clarifies: “Texas chose to wait for the Supreme Court to actually rule–it could have, in the absence of a stay, carried out the execution.”
Stay tuned for late-breaking developments.
Blood pressure alert squared:
Injecting last-minute uncertainty into a case that has garnered international attention, the U.S. Supreme Court considered a late-hour appeal by Texas death row inmate Jose Ernesto Medellin on Tuesday night, disrupting the timetable for his scheduled execution in the 1993 rape and murder of two Houston teenagers.
The 33-year-old Mexican national, the center of an international dispute over U.S. treaty obligations, was scheduled to die by injection shortly after 6 p.m. Texas time. But the execution remained on hold nearly two hours later as justices considered his request for reprieve.
“We’re waiting for a ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court,” said prison spokeswoman Michelle Lyons in explaining the delay.
The case became entangled in international politics over Medellin’s assertion that he was denied his right to contact the Mexican consulate after his arrest. Under a 1963 treaty signed by the United States and 165 other countries, citizens from any of the participating nations are entitled to contact a consular official “without delay” if they are arrested overseas.
An unlikely cast of legal allies, including the Bush administration and much of the world’s diplomatic community, embraced Medellin’s position, warning that the United States will be accused of violating the treaty if Medellin is executed without a hearing on his consular access claim. The case pitted President Bush against his home state of Texas.
Medellin and five other members of a gang called the Black and Whites were convicted of raping and killing Jennifer Lee Ertman, 14, and Elizabeth Pena, 16, after the two girls stumbled into a gang initiation while hurrying home from a party.
Witnesses said Medellin later bragged about the assault and described using a shoelace to strangle one of the girls because he didn’t have a gun. Medellin, then 19, also “put his foot on her throat because she would not die,” according to a state legal brief.
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The Supreme Court seems determined to drive me crazy lately.
Please just off this worthless piece of garbage.
I think the best idea at this point would be to let everyone know that all charges will be dropped and he will be released at the front gate tomorrow morning at 10:00am local time. I am fairly certain that the correct sentence would then be carried out by someone in the great state of Texas.
I wonder if he let his victims contact their consulate before he raped, strangled and murdered them.
This will the norm under an Obambi administration.
Maybe the feds could save everyone some time, money and heartache, and just arrange for some fellow inmates to off him. Preferably with a shoelace, after raping him.
What agent for Mexico whats to side with the World Court? Plus, more tax payer money. Bill Mexico!
Third world trash.
He’s going to die guys:
link
EXECUTE HIM!
then
DEPORT HIM!
then
Bill his familia for the cost of both!
See update. SCOTUS denied the reprieve.
Vntnrse stands and applauds the Supreme Court of the United States for getting one right
Oh please let it be so.
Plan A
Plan B.
I still feel we have become to sanitary and squishy about executions: public hangings. Death with dignity my arse. I am STILL willing to be a hangman. Too hot to play golf right now.
Plan C
I am feeling happy tonight, wonder why?
As long as he has accepted Christ as his lord and savior, sought forgiveness, and fully repented, he will live forever with our lord in heavan.
Interesting concept.
Michelle,
That link says that he has already met his maker (The devil)? Has the execution been carried out?
The SOB is dead. Execution carried out!
Now grind him into poo and send it to the doo doo flingers in Denver.
Good riddance to bad trash. Next?
Hunter - Yes. Read ALL the updates.
lol, mistressjustice are you trying to troll with that? it’s like the lib rag putting a pic of obama and wife in terrorist gear on the front of their magazine. they meant it to be funny but it was too close to the truth and bit them in the hindquarters. you speak the truth yet that doesn’t negate any justice he gets while here on this mortal coil. Jesus Christ is big enough to handle it, are you?
Thanks Michelle,
I don’t know what it costs to actually push the plunger, but I am sure it will be less than the trial that would have come about if one of the good citizans of Texas would have had to take care of this issue one their own.
It’s so comforting to know we have people in such high places concerned about the security and well-being of US citizens (14 year old girls) walking home at night. This “Justice” is a travesty of justice and is not much better than the gang who took these innocent lives.
Finally.
On August 5th, 2008 at 11:08 pm,
Snarky comment by liberal Mistress Justice, making fun of Christians. Well, for Catholics, in addition to heaven and hell, we believe in purgatory, which has several different levels, where souls are purified before being allowed into heaven. Even if he did somehow repent on his deathbed (I doubt it), he could have thousands of excruciating years in the lowest level of purgatory to make up for his sins, which is just like hell.
To the best of my knowledge the treaty-guaranteed Consulate contact would only pertain to persons arrested and charged under Federal Law. Never the less medellin had more rignts observed and life lived than the two young girls he so savagely murdered. Fifteen years was too long by fourteen years.
If this “International Community” some Federal judges and others think Mr. Medellin was treated wrongly they can join him in Hell. Yes PatriotRider, Good riddance to bad trash.
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His Messiahship be mocked
Allie OOP OOP be praised
OK, Mexico, you can have him back now.
And Rusty the Misogynist defends this POS.
Justice was finally served.
Take a look at this outrageous headline on socialist Yahoo right now:
Oooooooohhhhhhhhh! We’re in BIG trouble now! We executed a MEXICAN in DEFIANCE of the “world court!” Obama better go back to Europe to give another speech to his constituents.
I say execute some more Mexican criminals.
C’mon, leave mistressjustice alone.
She knows that this guy suffers from low self esteem. /sarc
The blood thirsty rabble have their latest death and the USA rises on the ranks on the global execution scale with Iran, Saudi Arabia and China….
Gabe - perhaps it’s time to start acting like a true Catholic.
This same scumbag, shortly after murdering Jennifer Lee Ertman, 14, and Elizabeth Pena, 16:
He sure was a tough guy back then, wasn’t he? He had the “balls” to rape and murder two innocent, little girls back in 1993, even complaining that they didn’t die fast enough for his taste. Then he spends the next fifteen years whimpering and groveling like a little b*#ch in front of world courts and everyone else who would lend him a sympathetic ear towards a reprieve.
What a little, illegal alien wuss.
I hope tonight’s justice gives the Ertman and Pena families something as comparable to closure as they can possibly receive.
And to the degenerates who spawned Jose Medellin, thanks for nothing.
And just as soon as the USA starts executing homosexuals and adulterers like Iran and Saudi Arabia, or executing political dissidents like China, you might have a point, sausage.
Works for me a$$hat! I am sorry you were ever born. The “honest” remorse was touching and a symptom of bad guys that get caught.
sausage: Non sequitur. Just because many third world nations still use the death penalty doesn’t mean they are wrong. Many third world nations also have rice as a staple. Is rice bad?
As far as being a true Catholic / Christian; well, that won’t get much traction with me. I’ll just say, IMHO justice can only be served here on Earth. This POS got what he had coming and it should have been much sooner.
On August 6th, 2008 at 12:37 am,
Sausage, are you for abortion? Do you vote for candidates that are pro-abortion? Yet you seem downright depressed that a GUILTY murderer has been executed. But then you vote against pro-life candidates. Your moral compass is off kilter.
I’m working on an M.A. in Theology from a conservative, orthodox Catholic college. A real Catholic can never vote for a pro-abortion candidate when there is an option of a pro-life candidate. Abortion is the execution of INNOCENT life, just as this Mexican monster executed two INNOCENT lives in cold blood.
The Church has never been against the death penalty. I challenge you to find any teaching from the Magisterium or in the Bible that is pacifist or against just punishment, which includes execution for heinous crimes.
Justice demands death in this case, and God gives nations the right to utilize this option.
Bloodthirsty eh? How about all the blood he spilled on the innocent victims? Do you have an answer to that? I didn’t think so…
The world court can go to hell. The minute they start running business here in the U.S.A. is the moment our country’s sovereignty is dead.
I feel no remorse about this killer’s death and that his executions was short of payment on the two lives he cut short. I don’t intend to attempt to stand on self righteous platform of liberal minded better than thou because I don’t believe in taking a killer’s life attitude. Screw the bastards and let’s get more executions under way right now. We should televise them and sell viewing rights just like a baseball game. Their death can be viewed by the public with a small payment for those who want to see the action. That way they can pay some of their debt back to society as they leave this world.
Maybe we can round up all the killers and have them living among all the people who want to protest their death sentence on the same island. See how honky dory their perfect world is among their pleasant friends.
#28 sausage said:
So you think that stoning people to death because they are gay (Iran) or beheading someone because they have defiled Islam (Saudi Arabia) or executing someone because they petitioned the government (China) resides on the same level as justice served after fifteen years of appealing the following incident?
I was about to ask you what you would demand from 4-5 scumbags after they smashed in your daughter’s teeth, raped her orally, vaginally, anally, strangled her with her own shoelaces, and then stomped on her head and neck until she was finally dead. But if you are already comparing this heinous case with the arbitrary calls for death in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia and China, then you obviously lack the moral comprehension to even understand such a question.
My apologies for assuming to much from you.
God Bless Texas!
Yo, sausage, have you nothing to say over here?
Crawl out of your cave, Gollum?
On August 6th, 2008 at 12:37 am, sausage said:
Not blood thirsty, relieved that it wont get the chance to hurt anyone else tough. Getting rid of something that evil is a good riddance.
Way to go Texas. Good riddance indeed!
He has now been denied the ability to ever harm another living person.
I don’t see a down side to that.
We need to bring back the electric chair. Ol’ Sparky will quickly cause the murder rate to drop off to nothing. …and don’t forget the Pam. Makes clean-up easier.
jose’s family claimed that “only GOD has the right to take lives”…guess they forgot to teach junior?
Meaning what? The Catholic Church teaches quite clearly that the state does have the right to take guilty life inorder to protect the innocent. John Paul the Great proposed that while this right always does exist, in first world countries there are ways to protect society from dangerous people without executing them. However, he was not discussing a society where judges fail to allow society to protect themselves from predators, or situations where predators are so despised they can’t be kept safe in prison.
Long and short of it is….The Catholic Church supports the state’s right to execute the guilty in order to protect the innocent.
So I ask again, as a Catholic, what did you mean by that?
How genteel are our ways, in stark contrast to the brutal rapes and murders Jose and friends inflicted on two barely teenaged girls.
Adios.
Not a bad idea - the Church didn’t wait over a decade to carry out the death sentences it issued during the Inquisition. There’s a indeed a lesson to learned from that!
Next stop for this heinious and evil-driven criminal - Judgment.
Oh, that’s just vintage Rusty Relativism™, atheling, i.e not knowing right from wrong.
But, to be fair, such moral confusion is common amongst almost all liberals; it is one of their shared madnesses that defy all common sense and logic.
Personally, I would have rather seen him go into the wood chipper feet first but. . .at least the POS is dead.
Now that’s what I’m talking about!
FYI, Sausage, while there’s not much I approve of with respect to Saudi Arabia, their crime rates are very low. Murderers and rapists are brought to justice and executed very quickly. The fact that they do this manifestly keeps many innocent people safe from rape and murder.
Our problem here is that justice is neither certain nor swift, which mitigates against capital punishment’s deterrent value. We have gone overboard in protecting against the (admittedly tragic) inadvertent execution of a few wrongly-accused. We pay the cost with the lives of thousands of truly innocent people who are killed by those who would not offend if they knew they would get arrested, tried and executed within weeks instead of decades.
with Iran? Not hardly. Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument.
What a great way to start my day. I’m gonna head into the city and get me some Texas style brisket BBQ today!!!!
WOOOHoooooooooo
Tomorrow is the turn of the Honduran Heliberto Chi
MJ, you are right. I realize that you may have intended something else by your statement, but consider this: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23) and “the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23). Finally, “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Romans 10:13).
It is precisely because of God’s grace that people such as Jose Medellin, and you and me, can live forever in heaven if we choose it.
God also has said to Noah in Genesis 9:6, that “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.”
God has already established an earthly justice for this type of crime. This is distinguished from the heavenly justice that will be dispensed to anyone who has NOT repented and sought God’s forgiveness while on this earth. Jose’s crime was disgusting and despicable and it breaks my heart to think of how these children suffered at his hands. But if God couldn’t allow him to repent and be forgiven, He couldn’t allow me or you to enter heaven, either.
Make your choice TODAY.
This is a great day. Their might be some fear of revenge considering all the illeagal alien gangs here but I will be ready.
It is not for us to judge who will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. People go to jail and play the God card in hopes to save their lives. Some do find salvation and some do not. None of us are smart enough to know the difference.
This person will stand before The Creator and will be judged.
As for his demise here on earth, buh-bye. You will not be missed.
Now, about these disgusting child molesters…
or will not
Soap, you are right. I just added a few words to your statement.
No one knows what’s in a person’s heart. Only God. But you know that He offers His redemption freely for all, regardless of our sin on this earth. It is up to each of us individually, to accept it or reject it.
Final Score.
Texas-1
Scumbag-0
My little sister is a teenager, and I shudder to think what would come of my life if something like this happened to her.
May the families of Jennifer and Elizabeth rest easy knowing that this subhuman will never hurt another child, again. I pray that they find solace in that.
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Way to go Texas!
Another cafeteria Catholic mockingbyrd ?
I’ve said countless times I am against abortion. But this isn’t an abortion argument.
The Pope has been quite clear on the subject of the death penalty. It is allowed only in cases of absolute necessity - “such cases are very rare if not practically nonexistent” these days.
But hey, America wants to join the ranks of Iran, China and Saudi Arabia with state killings….welcome to the dark ages indeed.
The new evangelization calls for followers of Christ who are unconditionally pro-life. I renew the appeal I made most recently at Christmas for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary. (Pope John Paul II, St. Louis, MO, January 1999) Punishment cannot be reduced to mere retribution, much less take the form of social retaliation or a sort of institutional vengeance.
Adding…
It is clear that for these purposes to be achieved, the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon, and ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: In other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today however, as a result of steady improvements in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare if not practically nonexistent. (Pope John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, 1995)
Amen. Sadly some people around here think they can read a mans soul! What an incredible gift!
Wow!! Is this death penalty something new America just concocted? Welcome to the dark ages? There are less and less capital punishments executed each year and you think it’s something we just started? Your holier then thou brilliance is showing.
I know you have a problem with most everyone on this blog and Americans in general (The blood thirsty rabble have their latest death and the USA rises on the ranks on the global execution scale with Iran, Saudi Arabia and China). So, you have included yourself as judge. Plank in you eye pal.
Sausage, where did you get this idea? I know you meant to be sarcastic here. But I think it has been made clear that NO ONE knows what’s in a man’s heart (or soul), only God.
Medellin has paid for his crimes with his life. Each of us is appointed once to die, and after that the judgment. This heavenly judgment is made by God and Jesus Christ alone, not by man. Medellin’s time of earthly judgment is over, just as all of ours will be one day.
Do you want to accept God’s grace, or reject it?
Saving the Planet
I’m about to make a few enemies..or at least peeve off a few. I’m not going to make this as a rail against religion, as much as I am able, but…
Take your sanctimonius religious BS and stuff it.
If there even is a God, i seriously doubt this person found mercy.
And if he did, its not a god I would EVER want to devote myself to, ever.
This piece of human refuse brutally raped, beat, and murdered 2 innocent girls as part of a gang initiation. He bragged about it. He laughed about it. He cared -nothing- for the lives he took, nor for the lives of their loved ones that were broken and harmed as a result of his disgusting actions.
Only when faced with the penalty of his actions did he suddenly not think things were funny anymore. Only when faced with having his own insignificant and abhorant existance erased did he stop the bragging and the smiling. It wasn’t funny anymore when his appeals ran out, and he wasn’t doubled over with laughter while they were sticking the needles in his arm.
Who’s laughing now?
It isn’t him.
But trying to play some religious sympathy for this b@stard…spare us. He was shown much greater mercy by those who judged him, than those whom he raped and slaughtered.
Keep that in mind the next time you advocate keeping animals from receiving their just punishment.
snausage spewed,
You don’t have to be Karnak the Magnificent to read this scumbags soul.
I feel no pity for murderers and rapists. The punishments fits the crime. I am tired of my taxes paying for criminals who get life in prison instead of the death penalty. I am tired of lawyers trying to get these guilty scum acquitted. I am especially tired of illegals committing heinous crimes on American citizens and then getting protected for some reason. By the way, who is mourning or caring for the victims. Who gave them pity as those murderous bastards laughed whilst snuffing out the breath of those innocent girls? I hope he burns in hell for eternity.
Abstract, Medellin did receive his just punishment.
Think about it. The wages of sin (all sin) is death. There is no distinction between greater or lesser sin. Only God’s grace spares us from eternal judgment. You may pay a fine or go to jail or pay with your life for a crime on earth, but that’s NOTHING compared to the payment for rejecting the FREE GIFT of God’s grace, which is available to all.
Dum, dum, dum, another one bites the dust!
No Sandra, it’s about ordinary American children who shouldn’t be afraid to walk home without being gangraped and brutalized then tortured to death you imbecile. If “ordinary Americans” go abroad and gang rape young girls, they deserve whatever the country serves up for them.
The Reformation occurred as an attempt to reform the Catholic Church and return the church’s teaching to the authority of scripture. The authority you seek is contained within the Bible. Those words, not the Pope’s are your directive. But, use him if must to make a point. However, weak and nonsensical it is.
He killed these two girls in cold blood. What punishment (if any) do you think he deserved? Why shouldn’t states have the right to execute those who have proven they aren’t fit to live amongst us in civilized society?
I swear I’ll understand the lib mindset. Never, ever.
I’m aware. That was for sausage, or for others advocating that he should not have been executed. He did in fact receive his reward, and now he can do no more harm to anyone else.
The remainder…I wish to simply and respectfully ignore. You’re welcome to your views, but…this is not a subject you can sway me on.
One down….
Fair enough.
sausage, I for one do not buy the liberal BS about the death penalty. In fact I support EXPANDING its use to child rape.
I really don’t care about his soul. I don’t care what happens to him after death. I care that he is removed from this planet like the human garbage that he was. I hope he suffered and died in extreme pain for what he did. As a non-christian i am not required to worry about that.
Oddly enough…Amen.
He was given a chance to search for his sole and prepare for the next life. It is well beyond our ken to guess what happens on the other side of the veil. So this is possibly the kindest thing we could have done for him. Had he lived out his life in relative luxury he might have never made this search. (prisoners in the US live much better than most people in the world)…………Don’t Mess with Texas, other states have more tolerance for molesting and killing little girls…..
abstractmind, Still works, i am spritual, just in a different way. I have seen far too much to write off the spirtual world. But if I am right, or you are, we get what we deserve in the end.
Worms need food too. At least Medellin will be providing a useful function once he’s in the ground.
thirteen28: ironic justice, he comes back as a worm to feed on his own corpse!!! he he
It gets old when religion is inserted in all of these debates.
Did Medellin and the Fun-Time Gang kill the girls in a brutal fashion? Yes.
Should they all be executed for their crimes? Yes.
It’s a crime and punishment issue, nothing else.
If God had anything to do with this he would have stopped the murders in the first place.
The world court isn’t going to be happy. Oh, well.
Harris #79, see MJ’s post #12 above. She may agree with you on that.
Room temperature attained. world court will continue to be insignificant and mexico will continue to be corrupt as ever.
Harris,
And your stance that a just God wouldn’t allow anything bad to happen is rather stale, as well.
I know, I know, the ‘Mysterious Ways’ defense.
“We can’t understand his plan,” and, “It’s not for us to decide.”
All I’m saying is that God may or may not care a great deal about justice, so we better do it here.
There is a verdict for Usama Bin Laden’s driver.
I hope it hurt.
A lot.
Laree: death by impalement. I know, i am skipping ahead and channeling a certian romanian, but hey I can dream.
See post #52,
esp. Genesis 9:6.
Here in Texas, you kill us, we kill ya back.
100% deterrance achieved; that scumbag will never rape and murder again, in or out of prison.
“jose’s family claimed that “only GOD has the right to take lives”…guess they forgot to teach junior?”
HHHHMMMM so does that mean his parents raised GOD because he killed two lives….
I have no problem with this individual being executed, as his guilt seems not to be a point of contention.
But with regards to the death penalty in general I don’t think the state should be entrusted with the power to kill in cold blood. Nifong was just the highest profile example of a justice system that is entirely too vulnerable to political and idealogical manipulation, and I don’t think such a system should be empowered to make life & death decisions.
No system is going to be perfect of course. But if you wrongly imprison someone you can at try to make it up to them. If you wrongly execute them there’s no possible remedy.
I’m a life member of the NRA, pro-war, pro-border security, anti-tax guy who voted for Reagan, Bush, Dole and Bush. It’s not just Liberals that object to capital punishment (though admittedly they usually object for different reasons than I do).
#58 sausage said:
Was John Paul II stating official Church Doctrine or an opinion?
After fifteen years of due process, the State of Texas obviously found this to be a case of absolute necessity. What’s the problem here?
After your earlier post, #28, I thought you were constructing weak examples of moral relativism just to be a wise-ass. Now I see that you are just obtuse. (Please reread #35. I don’t feel like typing again.)
I wouldn’t know about that, but I am comfortable with the facts - that the State of Texas met many of the requirements laid out in John Paul II’s Evangelium Vitae:
1. …the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon - Fifteen years of due process…check.
2. …ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity - Four to five grown men brutally raping, murdering and celebrating the deaths of two defenseless and innocent teenage girls. Oh, and the ringleader, Jose Medellin, then complaining that “the bitch wouldn’t die”…check.
3. …when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society - This one strikes me as a bit subjective, but if an individual like Jose Medellin was ever allowed to escape or be released, furloughed or paroled…well, that certainly wouldn’t be defending our society. In this case, Medellin’s death absolutely guarantees the defense of our society against this particularly brutal murderer…check.
Pope John Paul II and Texas due process. Perfect together.
How did Texas put this heathen down in “cold blood”? Seems to me punishment fit the crime. Okay well if I had my way, I’d revive him and kill him twice for BOTH of his victims, which he and his cohorts DID in fact kill in cold blood. Who gave THEM the power to do that?
Mexico- go to Hell.
World Court- go to Hell.
Scumbag defense attorneys- go to Hell.
Osama Bin Laden’s Driver Guilty, Guilty, Guilty,
Laree, I’ll get the spike ready…
I do not believe that Medellin’s death and the murder of Ertman and Pena are on the same level. I may be arguing semantics here, but the “cold blood” label being applied to someone who died of lethal injection isn’t palatable to me, for whatever reason.
The system isn’t foolproof. You have abusers on both sides. Medellin exhausted appeal after appeal. The state made their decision. The Supreme Court stepped in and as they say: what’s done is done.
I believe my statement above addresses this comment, as well. However, I will add that there are not enough cases that fit this mold, for a lack of a better term, to justify removing states rights to carry out the death penalty. I agree that there is no possible remedy if the accused is found innocent after he is executed, which is why I believe we have the appeals process.
You’ve stated above that you do not take issue with this man having been executed and that’s good enough for me.
James,
There is a big difference between Nifong and what happened in Texas last night.
Mike Nifong deliberately ignored evidence that would have exonerated the accused and he went ahead with his case anyway. It was because of the way our legal system works that the accused were cleared.
Jose was tried, evidence was presented which included his confession and he was allowed legal representation. He was found guilty and punished accordingly.
“In cold blood” means “not in the heat of the moment”, ie done after a period of deliberation and preparation. I think you are erroneously using it as a synonym for “wrong” or “immoral”, which is not what I mean.
That statement has nothing to do with any point I made. I didn’t say there aren’t people who deserved to be killed (in fact I think there are plenty of them). What I said was that I don’t trust the same people that invented the IRS and DMV to make that decision.
This also does not address my point. They committed multiple savage crimes and of course they deserve to be punished severely. To my mind that means life imprisonment in 23-hour lockdown in a cell without TV, videogames and college courses.
I know that a lot of you are going to pile on here talking about heinous, vicious crimes that need to be punished. In so doing you’re arguing against a point I haven’t made.
My only point is that the same government most of you agree is incompetant and too powerful shouldn’t be trusted to deliberately kill its citizens. If you have some reason that the goverment should be trusted that much I’d love to hear it.
To Sausage’s point that state executions should be reserved for situations relating to the preservation of society, I think that was what occurred with this case.
The carrying out of this ordered execution sends the world and our neighbors to the south a clear message: When the federal government of the United States fails to protect the better interests of its citizens - by observing ancient, outmoded treaties that revoke states’ sovereignty and render its citizens’ subject to foreign court edicts, and by failing to secure our borders and enforce immigration laws - the states and (sometimes) the SCOTUS will step up to the plate and act on OUR behalf!
My sincere prayers for all involved in this terrible situation.