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Tyson Foods reinstates Labor Day holiday

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 8, 2008 11:10 AM

Well, isn’t that interesting. Four days ago, I linked to the Shelbyville, Tennessee Times-Gazette’s report on the decision by the local union at Tyson Foods to replace the paid Labor Day holiday with the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Fitr.

New development: The Labor Day holiday has apparently been reinstated.

Here’s an e-mail from Tyson:

From: TysonResponse@tyson.com
Subject: Tyson Foods Shelbyville Plant - New Statement
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:15:37 -0500
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Labor Day Reinstated as Paid Holiday at Shelbyville, TN, Plant
Tyson Foods Requested Change from Union
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Springdale, Arkansas - August 8, 2008 - Tyson Foods, Inc. announced today it has reached a new agreement with the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union (RWDSU), an American union, reinstating Labor Day as one of the designated paid holidays under the contract for covered employees in the Shelbyville, Tennessee, plant.

Tyson made this request on behalf of its Shelbyville plant employees, some of whom had expressed concern about the new contract provisions relative to paid holidays. In an effort to be responsive, Tyson asked the union to reopen the contract to address the holiday issue, and the union agreed to do so. The union membership voted overwhelmingly Thursday to reinstate Labor Day as one of the plant’s paid holidays, while keeping Eid al-Fitr as an additional paid holiday for this year only. This means that in 2008 only, Shelbyville employees will have nine paid holidays.

For the remainder of the five-year contract period, the eight paid holidays will include: New Year’s Day, Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day and a Personal Holiday, which could either be the employee’s birthday, Eid al-Fitr or another day requested and approved by their supervisor.

This issue concerns only the plant at Shelbyville, Tennessee. Labor Day has always been celebrated, and continues to be, at the other 118 Tyson plants across the country.

The Shelbyville complex employs approximately 1,200 people. Approximately 1,000 workers are covered by the RWDSU union agreement at that location.

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  1. #1
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:12 am, DanMan said:

    I’ll start buying Tyson again next year.

  2. #2
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:15 am, Ron Rockstar said:

    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:12 am, DanMan said:
    I’ll start buying Tyson again next year.

    I won’t. I sent them an email when the story broke letting them know that the six people in my house will not be eating their products any longer.

  3. #3
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:17 am, vickisoup said:

    The union membership voted overwhelmingly Thursday to reinstate Labor Day as one of the plant’s paid holidays,

    :shock:
    Gee; who could have seen THAT coming?
    /sarc off

  4. #4
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:17 am, BOB said:

    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:12 am, DanMan said:
    I’ll start buying Tyson again next year.

    You think they will have stopped employing illegals by then?

  5. #5
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:17 am, letget said:

    I still will not buy Tyson food.
    L

  6. #6
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:19 am, Boomer said:

    Our in house boycott of Tyson products stands until they quit hiring illegal invaders over American citizens. This means it will probably be on until “pigs fly” with the failure of the Department of Homeland inSecurity, other government agencies, and leaders to go after those that violate Federal law in hiring them.

  7. #7
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:21 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Nope, I will not buy Tyson Foods-I will try to find out which store brands are Tyson. Their loyalty is not to my country, my people and my God.

    His Messiahship be mocked- the Botox Broad 2 :)
    Allie OOP OOP be praised

  8. #8
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:21 am, mojoe said:

    What about Arbor Day?

    I’m offended on behalf of all trees everywhere.

    Where’s Dumpster Muffin when you need her?

  9. #9
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:25 am, thetoysurgeon said:

    Still something about those fingercups doesn’t sit well with me. Still no more Tyson’s in my house.

  10. #10
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:26 am, DBNinKY said:

    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:15 am, Ron Rockstar said:

    I won’t. I sent them an email when the story broke letting them know that the six people in my house will not be eating their products any longer.

    Ditto! Too little, too late for Tyson’s! We’ve switched to Gerber’s Amish (better brand at only a slightly higher price) and will never go back.

  11. #11
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:28 am, sonofdy said:

    what they should have done was allow for an individual choice, muslim holiday or christmas. Let them work on december 25 in replacement.

  12. #12
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:34 am, Rusty said:

    It figures that the factory workers who opposed the Muslim holiday were the same people too stupid to read the company contract. You know, the contract that over 80% of the factory voted for?

    So, what happened between then and now that so many people would want to betray their 20 coworkers who fought for change within the system and earned it.

  13. #13
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:35 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    Personal Holiday, which could either be the employee’s birthday, Eid al-Fitr or another day requested and approved by their supervisor.

    Pointing out the extra holiday can be use for a Muslim personal holiday? Why not a Jewish Personal holiday?

    We have never bought Tyson products. We sure will not start now.

  14. #14
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:37 am, no2pcbs1 said:

    Must have been all those calls and e-mails they got letting them know tyson would be selling less chicken this year. Money has a way of getting people’s idiotic decisions reversed. tyson the deed was done there will be less chicken sold regardless.

  15. #15
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:37 am, jrlingreenbay said:

    Is George Costanza still a hen supervisor there, or not?

    :lol:

    Just wondering….

  16. #16
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:41 am, katieanne said:

    At least the outrage from people was heard and acted upon. The Muslim holiday should have been another day off, not from taking away an American holiday such as Labor Day. I don’t think these people care to assimilate to the US and therein lies the problem. Our customs and holidays mean nothing to them.

  17. #17
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:42 am, tre said:

    Yet another instance where a company made a stupid decision, thinking the buying public won’t know and/or won’t care. Then wonder why the buying public gets all upset.

    Well, Tyson, just ask Wachovia and Wells-Fargo about making home loans to illegals. Ask Delta Airlines about charging the public a surcharge for buying tickets at the desk instead of online. Ask Ford and Disney about pandering to homosexuals and snubbing Christians. Ask….

  18. #18
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:45 am, Artbyruth said:

    Hmmm, let’s see:

    Having the factories blown to bits by suicide bombers….or losing millions and millions of dollars in profits due to boycotts.

    Must have been a tough decision for Tyson!

  19. #19
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:53 am, John Ansell said:

    Lets go after the union next. They’re the ones that pushed for it in the first place.

  20. #20
    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:59 am, Southpaw said:

    Seems weird that a LABOR union would agree to a contract that eliminates LABOR Day. What’s up with that?

  21. #21
    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, Uplander said:

    It’s more likely Tyson would move to Chinese Holidays. After all, Arkansas is a Chinese Prefecture.
    I must agree on Gerber’s Amish Chicken. Great for Beer Can Chicken.

  22. #22
    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, atheling said:

    I still won’t buy their products. Knowing that Muslims work there gives me the creeps. Who knows what they might do? Food poisoning, anyone?

  23. #23
    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:16 pm, bit_boy said:

    An astute participant of this forum said in the original Tyson post the situation was of the unions making. Tyson just drove the get away car. Add Wholesale and Department Store Union (RWDSU) to my hit list. I wonder if LaRaza and RWDSU are dancing partners.

  24. #24
    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, DesertLover said:

    I saw an interview on Fox with a Tyson VP on this and she made the statement that it was no big deal because many of the workers didn’t take the Labor Day holiday anyway and worked instead because of the plant “production schedule” …

    I suspect when those workers suddenly realized that they were still going to be working on Labor Day only that now it was not going to be overtime-holiday pay they realized their mistake …

    Anyone want to be that the Muslim holiday replacing Labor Day would not have fallen during a “production schedule” that required them to work on said “holiday”? …

  25. #25
    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:29 pm, DesertLover said:

    Last paragraph should have read “Anyone want to bet” …

  26. #26
    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    Rusty wrote

    So, what happened between then and now that so many people would want to betray their 20 coworkers who fought for change within the system and earned it.

    First of all, it’s not betrayal. We just don’t want sharia law here. Now, I realize that certain liberals (perhaps even yourself, Rusty) will join with Muslim radicals to destroy what is seen as White, male Christian power.

    I think this is more than just about a contract in your point of view.

  27. #27
    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, right_on said:

    A friend asked me if I had heard about a possible threat to some of our country’s food sources by Muslim extremists. I had not, but this story came to mind.

    How are these Muslim imports being scrutinized before putting them to work in companies that provide food to the nation?

    I haven’t bought Tyson products for a least ten years for political reasons, but it has now become a food safety issue for me as well. How many Islamic Somali’s are working for Tyson Foods?

  28. #28
    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, sausage said:

    I still won’t buy their products. Knowing that Muslims work there gives me the creeps. Who knows what they might do? Food poisoning, anyone?

    And of course this comment is perfectly acceptable on this site… scary….

  29. #29
    On August 8th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, JohnFLob said:

    I was shocked that Tyson Foods would bother to respond to my e-mail regarding the Labor Day controversy. It was, apparently, the same form letter everyone else got but being a nondescript kafir I was surprised to be include in their response list.

    It is encouraging that collectively we in the Internet community can have a positive effect by pooling our efforts. By staying alert and alerting others we can at least hope to maintain the status quo, if not eventually correct multicultural and PC inspired misadventures of our political ‘leaders’.

  30. #30
    On August 8th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, atheling said:

    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, sausage said:

    I still won’t buy their products. Knowing that Muslims work there gives me the creeps. Who knows what they might do? Food poisoning, anyone?

    And of course this comment is perfectly acceptable on this site… scary….

    What’s scary is libtards like you with your heads in the sand.

  31. #31
    On August 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, right_on said:

    And of course this comment is perfectly acceptable on this site… scary….

    You must scare easily. Your undertone is bothersome, but hey, this site believes in freedom of thought and expression, and you are welcome to say what you really feel. Go on! Say it! Here, let me help you…”Michelle Malkin allows/ promotes __________ on her website. (You fill in the blank.)

  32. #32
    On August 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, Jaded said:

    Still not going to buy their products….I cannot trust their food because I cannot trust the intelligence of their corporation for doing it in the first place!

  33. #33
    On August 8th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On August 8th, 2008 at 11:34 am, Rusty said:

    It figures that the factory workers who opposed the Muslim holiday were the same people too stupid to read the company contract. You know, the contract that over 80% of the factory voted for?

    So, what happened between then and now that so many people would want to betray their 20 coworkers who fought for change within the system and earned it.

    Perhaps I am missing something here, but did the union membership vote to get rid of Labor Day and replace it with the Muslim holiday?

    Then (as seen below) why would they vote “overwhelmingly” to reinstate it? As you say, what changed? Or did anything really change?

    In an effort to be responsive, Tyson asked the union to reopen the contract to address the holiday issue, and the union agreed to do so. The union membership voted overwhelmingly Thursday to reinstate Labor Day as one of the plant’s paid holidays, while keeping Eid al-Fitr as an additional paid holiday for this year only.

    It sounds more like this was slipped in to the contract, and yes, nobody bothered to read it.

    Obviously, the 250 Ethiopians do not get to overrule the 950 that prefer not to lose their Labor Day holiday.

    “Majority wins” is also part of the system. At least until a “President Obama” or a Democrat Congress take away the secret ballot.

  34. #34
    On August 8th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, graysonret said:

    Moslems still want Xmas day off, of course. Personally, I want St. Andrew’s Day as a holiday. My best friend wants St. Patrick’s off. I think the market here in the U.S. is very discrimminating against us Celts.

  35. #35
    On August 8th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, Little Ma said:

    sausage, stop playing the ingenue - all innocent sweetness and light. Just one angry muslim at that plant could wreak a lot of havoc.

    We don’t buy Tyson products. Nevertheless, I wonder what medical tests the Somalis had to pass before they were hired. People in Third World countries have diseases that were eradicated in our country years ago.

    By the way, does anyone on this thread happen to know where Tyson’s chickens are raised?

  36. #36
    On August 8th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, atheling said:

    Little Ma:

    I thought Arkansas was the chicken capital in the US…?

  37. #37
    On August 8th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, uhangtight said:

    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:16 pm, bit_boy said:

    You bet they have been foxtrotting all over our sovereignity!

  38. #38
    On August 8th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, tgusa said:

    Even scarier knowing that they are already doing it in jolly old England yet sausage pretends it is all a smear. These companies will find out the hard way when one of these employees goes sjs, it’ll destroy them overnight, it’s a time bomb. Whether or not the union is aligned with the islamists I don’t know but the unions are aligned with the democrats and that’s all I need to shop non union, for America. Nancy goes over there and dawns the hijab, we are supposed to respect their culture while there. They come here and we are again supposed to respect their culture here. They don’t respect anyone else’s culture or traditions they are not here to become Americans they are here to have us become muslims the trouble here is people noticed. Opps.

  39. #39
    On August 8th, 2008 at 3:07 pm, nyc123me said:

    Too little too late Tyson Foods. Fact is you would not have backpedaled had you not been caught. I still won’t be buying your products.

  40. #40
    On August 8th, 2008 at 3:42 pm, Rusty said:

    I still won’t buy their products. Knowing that Muslims work there gives me the creeps. Who knows what they might do? Food poisoning, anyone?

    Wow. Atheling, you are an ignorant racist. No other way to say that.

    These are legal immigrants who left a horrible country to make a life for themselves. These people never did anything to hurt anyone.

    They asked for a new holiday, the union took up their cause, and 80% of the factory union workers voted for the change.

  41. #41
    On August 8th, 2008 at 3:44 pm, atheling said:

    On August 8th, 2008 at 3:42 pm, Rusty said:

    I still won’t buy their products. Knowing that Muslims work there gives me the creeps. Who knows what they might do? Food poisoning, anyone?

    Wow. Atheling, you are an ignorant racist. No other way to say that.

    Since when is Islam a race, you idiot?

  42. #42
    On August 8th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, pakurilecz said:

    the personal holiday route is how most large multinational companies handle the problem. For example I work for a very large company that does not provide Good Friday as a holiday, but I am granted 5 personal days each year that I can use for any purpose. I choose to use one for Good Friday and one for Christmas Eve

  43. #43
    On August 8th, 2008 at 3:49 pm, DBNinKY said:

    These people never did anything to hurt anyone.

    And you know this how exactly?

  44. #44
    On August 8th, 2008 at 4:57 pm, right_on said:

    By the way, does anyone on this thread happen to know where Tyson’s chickens are raised?

    They are most likely raised “cage free”…they are kept in comfy enclosures called “gulagitos.”

  45. #45
    On August 8th, 2008 at 8:29 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    On August 8th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, sausage said:

    I still won’t buy their products. Knowing that Muslims work there gives me the creeps. Who knows what they might do? Food poisoning, anyone?

    And of course this comment is perfectly acceptable on this site… scary….

    Actually, sausage - it isn’t.

    Read this story and tell me that fear’s not justified and reasonable:

    MUSLIM BAKERY SELLS CAKE SPRINKLED WITH FECES TO ENGLISHMEN

    Cardiff, U.K., 11th February 2008 (The Opinionator)

    Two muslim shop-owners were today fined for selling chocolate cake - which had been sprinkled with human faeces.

    A horrified customer ate the foul-smelling gateaux but noticed that it didn’t taste or smell “quite right” and handed the cake to public health scientists.

    The analysts soon established that the sweet treat was covered in faeces and legal proceedings against the shop owners were started.

    Shop owners Saeed Hasmi, 25, and Syed Jan Yadgari, 23, were fined £1,500 for selling food unfit for human consumption.

    “We cannot say for definite what kind of faecal matter it is, although it is very likely it was human. It would have to go through a DNA test for us to know for absolutely sure.”

    And this, from the same link:

    “A Dallas jury sentenced Behrouz Nahidmobarekeh to five years for sprinkling his own dried feces on pastries at the Fiesta Mart at Ross and Greenville avenues in East Dallas, the foreman of the jury told The Dallas Morning News that the jury had wanted to punish him especially severely because he “showed no remorse.”

    Or this story:

    A cab driver in Dallas, Texas, was allegedly caught on surveillance video sprinkling dried fecal matter on cookies and pastries at a grocery store

    Police said that during an investigation, they found a pile of human feces by his bed. Investigators believe Nahidmobarekeh would dry the feces, either by microwave or just letting it sit out, grate it up with a cheese grater and then sprinkle it at the store.

    “(We are) unable to identify him; just a young boy, maybe 3 years old, on the surveillance tape you can see him eating one of the cookies and that’s the worst part about it ,I think.”

    Attorneys in the case were unclear about a motive in the case.

    Prosecutors will show a surveillance videotape of the defendant, which shows him sprinkling a substance on the food.

    Or this story:

    A man has been remanded in custody charged with spraying urine at two supermarkets, a pub and a book shop.

    Sahnoun Daifallah, 42, of Bibury Road, from Gloucester, appeared before magistrates and pleaded not guilty to four charges of contaminating products.

    He was arrested on Friday after a substance, believed to be urine, was sprayed over produce at Tesco in Quedgeley and Morrisons at Abbeydale. [...]

    In court prosecutor Liz Thomas said two days earlier Mr Daifallah used an improvised device to shower hundreds of children’s books at Waterstones in Cirencester.

    He is also charged with releasing the liquid over food in the Air Balloon pub, near Cheltenham….

    But no, nothing to worry about there.

  46. #46
    On August 8th, 2008 at 8:32 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    They asked for a new holiday, the union took up their cause, and 80% of the factory union workers voted for the change.

    Okay - so let me get this straight.

    Here in Wisconsin a majority of the people voted to define marriage as between a man and a woman and it’s horrible. A majority of Americans favor restrictions on abortion, and that cannot be allowed.

    But 80% of the workers vote to give a holiday to a religion who’s supreme goal is to violently subjugate all of humanity to its twisted, misogynistic, discriminatory ideology and…that’s okay?

    What kind of a democracy do you live in?

    So if 80% of the Tyson workers voted that women can no longer work at the plant or have to wear head-to-toe hijabs so as not to offend the men…I’m guessing you’d be okay with that too.

    Give me a freakin’ break.

  47. #47
    On August 8th, 2008 at 8:53 pm, atheling said:

    EnglishQueen:

    Bullseye!

  48. #48
    On August 8th, 2008 at 9:33 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    EnglishQueen:

    Bullseye!

    Thank you. I’m honored.

  49. #49
    On August 9th, 2008 at 1:29 am, Rusty said:

    First, the majority of Americans support abortion rights and a supermajority support birth control that is effective after conception.

    And if you can’t see the difference between this situation and women working in the factory than you are being willfully ignorant. I mean, I know you’re being willfully ignorant, I’m just surprised it came from you.

    To compare something like not allowing women in the workplace to a minor detail in a union contract makes no sense.

    This isn’t about rights. There’s no right to a Muslim holiday. And there’s no right to a Labor Day either. Gays, women, and non-white races should be treated equally. That’s a question of BASIC human rights.

    This is a union contract. A contract that 80% of the workforce supported. A contract where no one lost anything and a large minority of people gained some leverage that was untraditional. So what? Where’s the damage.

    I don’t support fundamentalist Islam. It’s a problem. But these 250 Muslim workers weren’t supporting forcing women into subjugation. They weren’t refusing to touch pork or alcoholic. They just wanted their favorite holiday off and the union and their coworkers helped them out.

    You don’t have a problem with fundamentalist Islam. You have a problem with just Islam.

    So I hope you have to work next Easter and I hope you don’t get a sympathetic ear when that happens.

  50. #50
    On August 9th, 2008 at 3:01 am, atheling said:

    If anyone is wilfully ignorant, dude, it is you.

    But you go ahead and pretend.

    It’s very apparent that you dislike women and children, because you always take the side of those who oppress and/or murder them.

    Sick puppy.

  51. #51
    On August 9th, 2008 at 9:56 am, DBNinKY said:

    It’s very apparent that you dislike women and children, because you always take the side of those who oppress and/or murder them.

    All indicators are pointing in that direction, Atheling, and with every post he makes. It’s sad too, because I use to think at the heart of his wrong-headed arguments was a genuine modicum of concern for the helpless. I am being proven wrong about him daily.

  52. #52
    On August 9th, 2008 at 9:59 am, englishqueen01 said:

    I mean, I know you’re being willfully ignorant, I’m just surprised it came from you.

    To compare something like not allowing women in the workplace to a minor detail in a union contract makes no sense.

    This isn’t about rights. There’s no right to a Muslim holiday. And there’s no right to a Labor Day either. Gays, women, and non-white races should be treated equally. That’s a question of BASIC human rights.

    You just don’t get it.

    Yeah - I have a problem with Islam. I have a problem with a religion that treats me like sub-human property, that violently spreads its ideology, and thinks it’s okay not only to have multiple wives, but to take wives as young as age nine. I have a problem with a religion that hates everything about my country, my faith, my way of life.

    It starts at Tyson, with a union vote. Then it works its way into the popular culture. It’s called “shari’a creep” and it’s happening more than you think. Of course, the day you wake up and realize it, then it will be too late.

    Of course, I (and others here) will have the satisfaction of saying “I told you so” as all your beloved pet causes are quashed by jihadists. But, hey, I guess I’m the willfully ignorant one, right?

    This is America - where we should celebrate AMERICAN holidays. If we want to accommodate with floating holidays, fine. But how many Christians working in places like Tyson where production is key can petition for Good Friday off? Not many.

    As atheling said - whether abortion or Islam, you always side with those who do the most damage to women and children, and that’s telling.

  53. #53
    On August 9th, 2008 at 11:18 am, Rusty said:

    If we want to accommodate with floating holidays, fine. But how many Christians working in places like Tyson where production is key can petition for Good Friday off? Not many.

    They all can! How can you be so dense!? If the Christian majority can get the union to push for Good Friday off instead of, I don’t know, Memorial Day, then nothing is there to stop them. That is not religious creep. It is a union fighting for their workers.

    And if these Somalis were taking nine-yr-old wives, then, yeah, I’d have a problem. But they aren’t. Your incredible inability to not notice the difference between bad fundamentalist Islam and people just wanting an important holiday off is stunning.

    This is as stupid as me accusing all Christians of being like Fred Phelps or of all Catholics supporting pedophilia (although that is exactly what the Greater Church did).

    And let me be clear that I don’t hate women. I support women who choose to wear hajibs because that’s their choice. I support Islamic women and their fight for equality and protection from things like honor killings and executions for adultery. These are real problems. But they can be separated from a freaking holiday. Some of you need to get a clue.

  54. #54
    On August 9th, 2008 at 11:20 am, Rusty said:

    And abortion doesn’t do much damage to women. You don’t think women can handle making an important choice and that makes you the one undervaluing women. You want to make the choice for them. And that’s condescending and hateful towards women.

  55. #55
    On August 9th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, atheling said:

    On August 9th, 2008 at 11:20 am, Rusty said:

    And abortion doesn’t do much damage to women. You don’t think women can handle making an important choice and that makes you the one undervaluing women. You want to make the choice for them. And that’s condescending and hateful towards women.

    You have no credibility because of your bias. Abortion murders children.

    Anyone who sees nothing wrong with murdering defenseless children is a sicko.

  56. #56
    On August 9th, 2008 at 4:37 pm, DBNinKY said:

    And abortion doesn’t do much damage to women.

    Much damage. Is that like being a little-bit pregnant?

    Face it: abortion is all about men, not women.

    It acquired forced social acceptance during the male-dominated 1970’s, when the sexual revolution afforded men greater opportunity to experience sex without consequence, i.e., fatherhood.

    It became law under a male dominated SCOTUS.

    It remains legal because it is a get out jail free-card to all men who philander and cheat, and allows their over-sexed sons to use women like tissue while continuing with their educations and/or careers.

    Unfortunately, and unless pro-lifers can convince enough activist females to see it for what it is, abortion will remain a legal avenue to murder for men who do not want to be fathers, but do want to be satisfied, until the right case makes its way to the right SCOTUS.

  57. #57
    On August 9th, 2008 at 7:21 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    And abortion doesn’t do much damage to women. You don’t think women can handle making an important choice and that makes you the one undervaluing women. You want to make the choice for them. And that’s condescending and hateful towards women.

    Thanks for the laugh. On the other thread, I’ve given ample evidence that abortion causes more damage than you think.

    Is this much damage?

    Or how about this? Or this?

    The condescending, hateful ones are the ones who tell women it’s no big deal, that it’s no different than getting your nails done. And then say it’s a tragedy when women can’t get abortion, but an anomaly when women die painful deaths via “safe and legal” abortion.

    What color is the sky in your world? Really.

  58. #58
    On August 9th, 2008 at 9:48 pm, Rusty said:

    Abortion murders children.

    Abortion is legally sanctioned, so it can not be called murder.

    And what you call a child and what science calls a child are two very different things.

    Much damage. Is that like being a little-bit pregnant?

    Touche. I added the qualifier for things like what MM recently posted about irresponsible clinics and because there are medical risks for any procedure (though abortion remains safer than natural childbirth.)

    It became law under a male dominated SCOTUS.

    Uh, when was SCTOUS non male-dominated?

    Please note that both female Justices are big supporters of abortion rights. O’Connor wrote the opinion for PP v. Casey.

  59. #59
    On August 9th, 2008 at 10:24 pm, atheling said:

    On August 9th, 2008 at 9:48 pm, Rusty said:

    Abortion murders children.

    Abortion is legally sanctioned, so it can not be called murder.

    And slavery was legally sanctioned too, once upon a time, so I guess it was justified, wasn’t it?

    Your arguments are empty. You are morally bankrupt.

    I can’t imagine the kind of mind a person like you possesses. A mind which can justify murder because of legal technicality.

    That makes you inhuman.

  60. #60
    On August 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am, DBNinKY said:

    Uh, when was SCTOUS non male-dominated?

    I stand corrected. Let me rephrase that to ALL male SCOTUS.

    O’Connor wrote the opinion for PP v. Casey.

    O’Connor and Ginsburg are old and part of that generation of women who allowed themselves to be mislead, thanks in large part to the sexual revolution/ “do it if it feels good” movement of the late sixties and early seventies, into believing the fabrication that abortion defines women as equal to men. It doesn’t.

  61. #61
    On August 10th, 2008 at 11:01 am, Rusty said:

    The condescending, hateful ones are the ones who tell women it’s no big deal, that it’s no different than getting your nails done. And then say it’s a tragedy when women can’t get abortion, but an anomaly when women die painful deaths via “safe and legal” abortion.

    You can use anecdotes all you want. Statistically, abortion is a very safe medical procedure, with less injuries and death than natural childbirth or uninduced abortions. That is a fact.

    Atheling, the difference between slavery and abortion is that slavery involved people.

  62. #62
    On August 10th, 2008 at 12:20 pm, atheling said:

    On August 10th, 2008 at 11:01 am, Rusty said:

    You can use anecdotes all you want. Statistically, abortion is a very safe medical procedure, with less injuries and death than natural childbirth or uninduced abortions. That is a fact.

    Atheling, the difference between slavery and abortion is that slavery involved people.

    Well, the Supreme Court didn’t consider blacks “people”; they were property.

    Slippery slope. And like the Nazis, you use the same tactics.

  63. #63
    On August 10th, 2008 at 12:30 pm, nlebou said:

    The fact that abortion may be safe and legal does not make it right. Killing an unborn child is still killing. It is murder. When a woman has an abortion she has to live with the effects of that decision the rest of her life.

  64. #64
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, Rusty said:

    Well, the Supreme Court didn’t consider blacks “people”; they were property.

    The difference of course being that slaves were in fact people and fetuses are in fact not.

    When a woman has an abortion she has to live with the effects of that decision the rest of her life.

    Yes. So what? People have to live with every decision they make. Whether it’s burning a flag, owning a gun, or having an abortion. Just because people may regret a decision doesn’t mean it’s not a right.

  65. #65
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, Rusty said:

    Man, what a threadjack.

    Tyson Foods still sucks.

  66. #66
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, atheling said:

    Uh, I guess you don’t know what the term “fetus” means.

    It’s Latin for “little one”. And I don’t think the Romans meant “little tomato”, or “little blob”.

    And your cavalier dismissal of the disturbing consequences for women who have had abortions demonstrates once again your contempt for women and children.

    Your misogyny and callousness only serves to prove that you are indeed inhuman.

  67. #67
    On August 10th, 2008 at 4:41 pm, Rusty said:

    Who cares what the etymology of “fetus” is? How does that change anything?

    And your cavalier dismissal of the disturbing consequences for women who have had abortions demonstrates once again your contempt for women and children.

    Oh, man. Pleas enlighten me. Disturbing consequences? I can only imagine what you think and what the science says.

  68. #68
    On August 10th, 2008 at 5:37 pm, atheling said:

    You ignore empirical evidence. Many women suffer guilt and shame for their abortion. Some even on this board have admitted it.

    The fact that you dismiss this aspect of abortion - the emotional consequences for women - tells all: you are a misogynist and child hater who does not give a rat’s ass about those who are weaker than yourself.

    For you libtards, it’s all about power.

    As for etymology, you’re the one who brought up the term. I “enlightened” you as to its meaning. Seeing that you were proven wrong, you then say you “don’t care”, naturally, because you don’t want to know the truth, babykilller.

  69. #69
    On August 10th, 2008 at 10:17 pm, Rusty said:

    Let’s see the empirical evidence then.

    I don’t deny that some women regret their choice, but that doesn’t matter. Many people regret getting married. We don’t want to outlaw marriage.

  70. #70
    On August 11th, 2008 at 11:33 am, atheling said:

    Oh that’s a great analogy.

    Comparing marriage to murdering an unborn baby.

    You truly are mentally twisted.

  71. #71
    On August 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On August 9th, 2008 at 9:48 pm, Rusty said:

    Abortion murders children.

    Abortion is legally sanctioned, so it can not be called murder.

    And what you call a child and what science calls a child are two very different things.

    and

    The difference of course being that slaves were in fact people and fetuses are in fact not.

    Gotta disagree with you here, Rusty. Actually, it is a legal definition, hence the reason for a child to be D&E’d prior to crossing the legal threshold, the birth canal.

    Scientifically, the embryo is considered to be offspring or progeny, whether “born” or not (mostly a mammalian concept with notable exceptions), considering that some (actually most) animals simply lay eggs and they are fertilized and developed outside the mother.

    I don’t deny that some women regret their choice, but that doesn’t matter. Many people regret getting married. We don’t want to outlaw marriage.

    There are times… ;-)

  72. #72
    On August 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, wckelly60 said:

    Getting back on topic…

    I’m still not going to buy Tyson products. I haven’t since I found out how they funded the Clintons.

  73. #73
    On August 11th, 2008 at 6:38 pm, ktownposse said:

    Ditto

  74. #74
    On August 11th, 2008 at 11:31 pm, tamarah180 said:

    OY!!! Much of my family lives in Iowa and a couple of my cousins and one of my sisters has seen flyers in Spanish that illegals carried from Mexico to Marshall Pack. The flyers were advertisements by MARSHALL PACK for workers for the meat processing plant. Now, how/why would a person in Mexico be interested in working in a plant in the middle of Iowa?

    I am absolutely sure that they are not the only ones to employ large numbers of illegals. (Can you spell P-O-S-T-V-I-L-L-E?!?!?) And I am sure that those ads are placed by plants from other states.

    Oh, and can we REALLY trust ICE to keep track of people who came here but ran out of money and didn’t bother to update their papers or go home?

    Nope, not me either…luckily, I eat very little meat. It makes some ethical decisions a little easier.

  75. #75
    On August 11th, 2008 at 11:37 pm, tamarah180 said:

    Oh, and another thing. As a semi-observant Jew, I take off work for the major holidays, between 8-13 days depending on how the Jewish year lines up with the Gregorian calendar. They are generally UNPAID DAYS OFF. I don’t expect the USA to change to accommodate ME, I make the accommodations. I recognize that over 90% of the people who LEGALLY live in this fabulous country are Christians. If you are offended by Christians and way this country is run, don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya. There are lots of countries that are based on other religions. If you are Moslem, there are 22 of them. Pick one and leave. See how far your whining and protesting gets you in, say, Iran or Saudia Arabia.

    : - )

  76. #76
    On August 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm, sgcwi said:

    Inspected a tyson plant in the midwest,I quite eating that filth after seeing how they make that crap. Would have to be on a life raft for 4 weeks before I’d eat it and then it would be spoiled and it would put me outta my misery.
    And If we know the employment of these plants why the hell can’t the goverment figure it out??? Go smoke a joint in the street and see how long it takes the feds to find you..(except in cali)

  77. #77
    On August 13th, 2008 at 9:05 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    tyson needs to re-institute jobs for Americans rather than cheap slave labor..although even if they did I still won’t buy from them…the damage has been done…

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