War between Russia and Georgia?
When I scanned the headlines this morning this conflict didn’t look that serious. I thought it was Georgia vs. Russian-backed rebels. No, it’s Russia. Captain Ed, Gerard, and Ace’s co-blogger Gabriel Malor all insist this is very serious.
Not much to add from me, but I thought it’s interesting that the Russian media has started churning out propaganda already.
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I don’t think this is going to spread. I tend to agree with Wretchard over at Belmont Club, that this is all about sending signals. Georgia is sending signals to Russia “Look, we can cause you alot of trouble down here“, with Russia responding “And if you do, there will be severe consequences“.
Noting (from the various news articles) what little Russia has attacked in retaliation, it seems to me they’re pulling their punches. That would seem to indicate they’re not really interested in taking Georgia back.
I suspect (and hope) this will cool off in a day or two, and doubt Russia will proceed beyond the South Ossetian capital.
Yashmak: This is an invasion of a soverign nation by a larger country. This entire war is being fought in GEORGIA!!! This is no different from that nazis invading poland in 1939. In fact even the excuses for the invasions are the same.
yashmak, what is your excuse for backing a russian invasion of another country, why is it you are parioting the russian propoganda?
What’s that wet spot on my shoe?
Oh, yeah, my French poodle just diddled on hearing the news about
Russia invading Georgia.
What will Obama do?
On August 8th, 2008 at 4:33 pm, KCK said:
Excellent question!
As far as I know, there is yet to be a peep from “The One” about the building conflagration going on right now in Georgia.
It’s time to lead, Mr. Obama. And this time, I don’t think your “pretty, pretty words” will make the situation go away!
IMO, the US was right to go into Afganistan and Iraq but I think we should sit this one out.
Actually he put out a press release before I had even heard a response from Bush or the White House. See #38.
Russia at war with Georgia?
I support Georgia, let’s give’em California.
– sonofdy
Did the Polish fire on German citizens before the Germans invaded? No? Then it’s different isn’t it? Bringing up the Nazis any time any nation has a conflict with any other nation is getting really tired. Fact of the matter is that Georgia shelled a city with a large number of resident Russian citizens. What did Georgia EXPECT would happen?!? Did they honestly think Russia would just say “Oh, that’s ok, you can kill a bunch of our citizens, we didn’t want those folks anyway.” What would our government have done had it been our citizens. OH WAIT! We have a perfect example! You might recall that the last time someone blew up a building in our country, we travelled halfway around the world and invaded TWO much smaller sovereign nations. Was that the same as the Nazi’s too? No, of course not. We had our (good) reasons. Those who compared us with Nazi’s for those conflicts were wrong too. I mean, come on sonofdy. . .drop the melodrama and let’s talk about the topic rationally.
– sonofdy
What’s your excuse for putting words in my mouth? I haven’t for one moment ‘backed’ either side in this. Encouraging people to examine the issue from both sides before making statements that we should rush off to involve ourselves in yet another war is NOT the same as ‘backing’ a side, unless the definition of the word has changed and I didn’t get the memo.
Yasmak,
What’s interesting is residents of the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, said: (source Fox)
Let the Europeans handle the situation over there. Why would we need to do anytihng at all? According to the Messiah, no one over there likes us anyway. We would only cause more terrorism. And besides, it won’t help Michelle’s kids./sarc off/
See, that’s what I mean, BOTH sides are spewing propaganda as fast as they can put cameras in front of hurt people, to try and cast themselves as the victims, or as the side that’s in the right. Both sides are claiming the other started it.
I would expect that sort of comment from a resident of South Ossetia, as apparently they’ve been seeking to secede from Georgia for quite some time. It’s hard to know the truth of it all from here.
Sorry, my last comment (#112) was directed in response to #110.
ROFL!!!
What will Obama do? Unfortunately it’s Bush at the wheel. Did someone interrupt him reading a children’s book to tell him something happened?
I got your chicken hawk. 3 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan, and I’m leaving for my fifth deployment soon. How many do you have Boomer? I have no problems fighting, and I damn sure don’t have to prove myself after 18 years in the Corps. I’m just wondering where you are getting all of these troops to fight the next war with Mr. General. I’d love for someone to call me that to my face there cyber warrior.
Gator70 – thanks for your service for us here at home!
Yashmak, you’re all over this…good stuff and you’re right on point. Gator70, thanks for your service my man, and couldn’t agree with you more. Very silly and naive to think that we’re going to war with Russia, especially in their back yard…ridiculous.
On very nice. Via BBC,
Article about war fighting intensifies etc etc… then this:
“Meanwhile, the UN Security Council has failed to agree on the wording of a statement calling for a ceasefire.”
The UN couldn’t organize a beer in a brewery. Seriously, how hard is it to write, “please stop fighting”?
It’s not really war per se, it’s not two nation states declaring war on each other.
However with the news today that Georgia shot down two Russian Fighters that refused to identify themselves over hostile airspace, I silently cheered.
Unfortunately Russia has launched a coordinated ground offensive.
Russia has to be very careful here because of two factors:
1) The US lending large logistical and support and intel
2) The EU’s financial interests
It’s time the Georgians kick some Russian ass!
rommsey’s take is pretty close to mine,but I will add this.
What the US and NATO does -or fails to do-will determine whether or not these new republics keep their freedom to continue their nascent experiments with representative government and market economies-or have all the efforts made to keep a Free World go to nothing-by letting the Russians reconstitute their empire.
Nations like Georgia (who are the third largest source of ground troops in Iraq), the Czech REpublic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland will be watching to see if the lot they cast with the west was worth it. They are official members of the NATO alliance.
Georgia has been on the verge of acquiring NATO memebership, and the Russian Federation doesn’t like that…they are in fact testing the US and NATO over South Ossetia-make no mistake about it.
Obama thinks we can talk our way out of things – works for him.