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1. #1
   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm, atheling said:

   Their most ambitious assault involved wheeling a tricycle laden with explosives into a public security bureau just before dawn. One attacker was shot, another blew himself up and two were captured,
   according to the state-run Xinhua news agency.

   Cue for Rusty and lgm to come and defend these guys. After all, they were terrorizing in an environmentally friendly manner.

2. #2
   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:20 pm, ajmontana said:

   I wonder what the ages are of these brainwashed killers. What a way/waste of life.

3. #3
   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, lgm said:

   A couple points:

   It might be that this Chinese report is not accurate. Maybe the police shot at nonviolent demonstrators. There are no photos of a bomb site or interviews with witnesses.

   Is it clear that the Muslims are more terrorist than the Chinese who control them by force? This is a violent military dictatorship we’re talking about.

4. #4
   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, dave_r said:

   Droved? The past tense of drive is droved? Those wacky Brits.

5. #5
   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, Chief RZ said:

   This is war, not a crime.

   two alleged Muslim jihadists

   They are trying to effect political change without a vote or UN intervention. Can’t they wait for the UN to discuss this for another fifty years? /sarcasm/
   lgm does have a point: Communist Chinese are more evil and have used more violent means to “control” people including mass murder, torture and intimidation of people sitting in certain positions.

6. #6
   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, Mixer14 said:

   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, lgm said:
   A couple points:

   It might be that this Chinese report is not accurate. Maybe the police shot at nonviolent demonstrators. There are no photos of a bomb site or interviews with witnesses.

   Is it clear that the Muslims are more terrorist than the Chinese who control them by force? This is a violent military dictatorship we’re talking about.

   If you read the article, you would have read,

   “…Six hours later, police tracked down some of the alleged militants in the
   local marketplace. In the ensuing battle, two militants were reportedly shot and three blew themselves up with bombs made from bent pipes, gas canisters and liquid gas tanks.”

   and
   

   ….”The authorities linked the earlier attack to threats made by three separatist groups who want to create an “East Turkistan” homeland for ethnic Muslim Uighurs in the region.

   On Thursday, a previously unknown group calling itself the Turkistan Islamic party released a video threatening to attack buses, trains and planes during Olympic fortnight.

   Kuqa is more than 3,000 kilometres from Beijing, but Olympic organisers have identified Uighur “terrorists” as the main threat to the games. They sought to reassure athletes, journalists and tourists that Sunday’s attack would not disrupt the sports event.”

   Well, The Guardian is a relatively reliable source of information. Do you have any proff to back up your assertions or are you just ‘trolling through’ as you usually do?

7. #7
   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, Mixer14 said:

   ahem…. proof, not proff.

8. #8
   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:51 pm, Stashiu3 said:

   Being “Red-on-Red” makes it more difficult to know who to root for. The Uighers are an especially complicated situation since they could easily be seen as radical Muslim terrorist-types or moderate Muslims fighting unjust oppression. The only Uighers I’ve met were not likely very representative of Uighers in general. As lgm says (on-point and rational for a change), the news outlets are controlled by a totalitarian government and cannot be trusted in their reporting.

9. #9
   On August 10th, 2008 at 12:51 pm, Milwaukee Mike said:

   I have tried to persuade a co-worker that radiacal islam is more pervasive than he knows.
   His arguments include “Why do we not hear of terrorattacks in places like China?”
   Now I have the story and I also believe that these incedents have been occuring, but have been supressed by the powers that be in China,to maintain a better sense of control.

10. #10
    On August 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, atheling said:

    Milwaukee Mike:

    Tell your friend about the Muslims in Thailand too…

11. #11
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, Dandapani said:

    Isn’t it wonderful, how Islam Jihadism transcends all borders and nationality. It is truly the Religion Of All… and if you don’t believe that they will kill you for it!

12. #12
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, lgm said:

    Mixer14 (#6)

    The Guardian article got all its information from Chinese officials. They were not there, there are no photos or witnesses. Do you believe everying Chinese officials say? They did shoot demonstrators in Tibet.

13. #13
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, atheling said:

    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, Dandapani said:

    Isn’t it wonderful, how Islam Jihadism transcends all borders and nationality. It is truly the Religion Of All… and if you don’t believe that they will kill you for it!

    To paraphrase Mark Steyn, Muslims truly think globally, and act locally.

14. #14
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, txvet2 said:

    On August 10th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, dave_r said:

    Droved? The past tense of drive is droved? Those wacky Brits.

    Only when they’re attacking “jogging paramilarites”.

15. #15
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, zorro said:

    I would not be surprised if China, in hot pursuit of the terrorist, invaded Afghanistan and Pakistan. Maybe, just maybe the mainstream media would cover that. I doubt it but there is a chance.

16. #16
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, starlightwoman said:

    I find a sense of irony in this. I almost find it heartening that these countries that have been “friends” with the islamist are not having their throats cut by them. The islamist do not care about centralized governments, they only care about their religion. Until every person on earth is part of that religion, the violence will continue. Look at the US - 10 years ago you hardly ever saw muslims or mosque. Now they are everywhere, this war is coming to our shores and our heartland. 9/11 is nothing compared to what is to come.

17. #17
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, Mixer14 said:

    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, lgm said:
    Mixer14 (#6)

    The Guardian article got all its information from Chinese officials. They were not there, there are no photos or witnesses. Do you believe everying Chinese officials say? They did shoot demonstrators in Tibet.

    Wrong again. There were non-Chinese offical sources in the article and some supporting those who posed the attacks.
    I don’t view ‘The Guardian’ as being a 100% direct mouthpiece for the Chinese Government.

    The point of the article is that China is experiencing violence at the hands of Islamic extremeists and, by the way, are trying to downplay the signifigance. If the article had only used Chinese officials as the sole information resource, there would have been NO story to report as it would have been completely denied or censored.

18. #18
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, brooklyn red said:

    starlightwoman, re: “Until every person on earth is part of that religion, the violence will continue“.

    Or, Until every person on earth is part freed of that religion, the violence will continue.

    I like my version better.

19. #19
    On August 10th, 2008 at 1:48 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Some of the comments made in the article about the Bachman attack left me scratching my head:

    “We don’t believe this was targeted at American citizens…”

    The Bachmans were not wearing any apparel that identified them as relatives of members of the U.S. team or as Americans.

    Is it that difficult to identify an American in China? With over a billion Chinese this nutcase just happens to kill an American by random chance?

    The U.S. Embassy said it believed the attack was an isolated act and not directed at Americans or foreigners, given that the Chinese tour guide was also hurt.

    This is brilliant logic. So, when a suicide bomber in Iraq blows up a group of American soldiers along with their Iraqi translator, it must mean that it was a random act and Americans were not targeted.

    The [U.S.] Embassy issued a statement later that said the attack “appears to be a senseless act of violence.”

    So, if the attacker HAD been targeting Americans, it would not have been a senseless act?

    Is it the job of the US Embassy to protect Americans or to protect the tourist industry?

20. #20
    On August 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, lgm said:

    Mixer14 said (#17):

    There were non-Chinese offical sources in the article and some supporting those who posed the attacks.

    Please help me. I read the article again. All the information about violence in western China came from officials of the Chinese government.

    I don’t view ‘The Guardian’ as being a 100% direct mouthpiece for the Chinese Government.

    It isn’t. This article tries to be even handed by quoting people criticizing China.

    But all the claims of Islamic violence in the article are sourced to the Chinese government.

21. #21
    On August 10th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, Boomer said:

    I wonder if China’s chickens are coming home to roost in their Western provinces. I’m sure we will never find out the whole truth behind the motivation of the attacker of the American tourists at the Drum Tower, but it does smack of the type of crime from the members of the religion of perpetual outrage. It appears they can’t coexist in an oppressive totalitarian regime as well as in those of the Western Democracies.

22. #22
    On August 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Boomer re: “I wonder if China’s chickens are coming home to roost…”

    Well the Chinese, don’t have to deal with a 5th column, or even a 3rd or 4th. I for one am looking to Beijing to stand up a show the world how to deal with jhiad.

23. #23
    On August 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    Careful PapLouie, your hinge is loose. I think the fact that he threw himself off a tower indicates a mentally unstable person rather than a political activist. Suicide bombers only blow themselves up in the act of killing, not afterward.

    Frankly I do not care who kills the radical Muslims– each one is a success story.

24. #24
    On August 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, Boomer said:

    brooklyn red I am sure we will never see the total number of actually or suspected Jihadist the PRC will either eliminate or send to prison camps to be worked to death in the age old communist way of dealing with dissent.

25. #25
    On August 10th, 2008 at 3:13 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Boomer, true that, but I hope the Chicoms just get pissed & screw the pooch.

26. #26
    On August 10th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    On August 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, Boomer said:

    brooklyn red I am sure we will never see the total number of actually or suspected Jihadist the PRC will either eliminate or send to prison camps to be worked to death in the age old communist way of dealing with dissent.

    I see that as a GOOD thing. With any luck that will become Islams new front. I can’t see the Chinese government appeasing the Muslims by holding trials.
    Just a .22 in the back of the head. Say hi to Allah for me……

27. #27
    On August 10th, 2008 at 3:37 pm, JT said:

    That would be great. Get the Islamo-nazis fighting on another front.

28. #28
    On August 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, brooklyn red said:

    SpeakEasy, that will do, but I was hoping for something a bit more final, & a bit more fashionable, you know something trendy that the world could embrace, accept and emulate… you know like totaly HARSH.

29. #29
    On August 10th, 2008 at 3:45 pm, brooklyn red said:

    kinda like jihad, but in reverse

    and oh yes the Chicoms are the ones in a unique position to do so.

30. #30
    On August 10th, 2008 at 4:14 pm, PatriotRider said:

    Although Gertrude (lgm) might think that if we all sing Kumbaya that everyone will just fall in love with each other and group hug. The reality of it is that there are all kinds of evil in this world. The Chi-Coms have their own issues but even heathens know what to do with a cancer in their society. Kill it. We could learn a few things from them.

31. #31
    On August 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, simcoe said:

    Don’t give yourself wedgies trying to come to any sort of meaningful conclusion.

    To paraphrase a line from the movie Chinatown:
    “…easy, take it easy Jake, its Chinatown….”

    Translation: You won’t be able to figure it out; you won’t be able to get the facts or the truth. They are Muslims, after all.

32. #32
    On August 10th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, Papa Louie said:

    SpeakEasy said:
    Careful PapLouie, your hinge is loose. I think the fact that he threw himself off a tower indicates a mentally unstable person rather than a political activist.

    Sorry, I wasn’t aware that a political activist was incapable of becoming unstable. But, even so, why couldn’t a “mentally unstable person” target Americans or other foreigners? Unstable Arabs target Jews all the time. Out of billions of Chinese, this guy just happens to pick Americans? The odds of that don’t make you scratch your head a little?

    Suicide bombers only blow themselves up in the act of killing, not afterward.

    First of all, I didn’t call him a suicide bomber. Second, have you ever tried to blow yourself up with a knife? Maybe he preferred death to a Chinese prison.

    Murder/suicides happen all the time, but usually the victim is someone or some group they have a grudge against. I’m just questioning some of the statements by the Embassy, especially the assumption that it was all a random act. It might have been, but the logic leading to that conclusion is suspect.

33. #33
    On August 10th, 2008 at 9:49 pm, lgm said:

    brooklyn red said (#29):

    I hope the Chicoms just get pissed & screw the pooch.

    Come again. Are you hoping for genocidal ethnic cleansing or just a little zoophilia?

34. #34
    On August 10th, 2008 at 9:55 pm, hadsil said:

    China out of Iraq!

35. #35
    On August 10th, 2008 at 11:15 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Do you believe everything Chinese officials say?

    No - but given my druthers between the communist Chinese and the jihadists who are instructed to lie, I’d rather believe the communists. The Chinese are the focus of the world right now, and while most media outlets will whitewash their abysmal record, they will want to do anything to keep a good image when the Olympics are going on. They have more to lose by not telling the truth in this matter…

    Funny that you’re willing to give even jihadists a pass.

36. #36
    On August 11th, 2008 at 1:17 am, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    LGM

    Is it clear that the Muslims Islamists are more terrorist than the Chinese who control them by force? This is a violent military dictatorship we’re talking about.

    Yes, it is because China doesn’t directly support international terrorism. They only control what can be done within their borders, in accordance with the UN Charter that certain liberals one day hope will rule all the world.

    Now, I think the Chinese are brutal, but if you’re going to operate the UN standard in Iraq, do it fairly everywhere else, or subscribe to a higher system of values (ie Christianity).

37. #37
    On August 11th, 2008 at 11:22 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    No - but given my druthers between the communist Chinese and the jihadists who are instructed to lie, I’d rather believe the communists.

    I can not think of any scenario where I would believe either the ChiComs or the mohammedans.
    jihadists who are instructed to lie? I am sure they are, but the ChiComs have been known to say things that are not true from time to time. Besides, there are lots of ChiComs, they can lose a few.

    To be quite honest ChiComs and mohammedans killing each other is a good thing–it takes some pressure off us. Hopefully it will delay the war between China and everybody else. China and Russia are on the march and looking to gain old and new glories. We never recovered from the military downsizing of the Clinton years, our military sciences are full of ChiCom spys and neither the Democrats or Republicans are willing to address the issue-we don’t want to stereotype do we?

    ANYTHING that keeps the ChiComs focus off us is a good thing. Today Russia invaded Georgia proper. Oh yea, we need to keep the ChiComs and Russians occupied elsewhere. Eternal President of (North) Korea Kim Il-sung must be enjoying himself at the moment. We dealt with mohammedans and got bit in the butt, we played ping pong with the ChiComs for cheap toys and got bit in the butt, we defended Europe for sixty years and it is time to come home. South Korea needs to take care of herself. Japan is a big industrialized country, let her build the damn bomb and pull our people out of there.

    Isn’t it time we stopped this non sense? We need a military capable of defending THIS continent and the hell with the rest. Sell low tech weapons to everybody and enjoy the action.

38. #38
    On August 11th, 2008 at 11:29 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    China doesn’t directly support international terrorism.

    No, but they do support the countries that do. A goodly portion of the weapons that Iran, Sudan and Zimbabwe use and export are ChiCom. They did support the Shinning Path in Peru and continue to support the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoists).

39. #39
    On August 11th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, lgm said:

    ArizonaNeanderthal said (#38):

    China doesn’t directly support international terrorism.

    No, but they do support the countries that do.

    There’s hope for the world when AN and LGM find something to agree on.

40. #40
    On August 11th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    But the knuckledragger’s hope for the world is utterly isolationist, totally anti-left, anti-leftist and still chomping at the bit for some revenge. Big time revenge.

41. #41
    On August 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm, kyconservative said:

    Despite how the government in China is, the people of China love America and the American people. Did you hear the reception the US team received the night of the opening ceremonies?
    I hate how the government is, but the citizens of China are very warm and welcoming and kind. We were treated excetionally well everywhere we went for the 2 weeks we were there in late 2006 and everyone was practicing their English with us. When they found out we were adopting a little girl, they all would tell us our new daughter was a “Lucky girl.” Of course we are the lucky ones. I have no warm and fuzzy feelings for the Chinese government at all, but the people there, especially the ones living in the rural areas are near and dear to my heart. They are the hardest working people I have ever seen. We were in Beijing, the southwest and the southeast, so I think it is safe to say we saw a good overview of China. We spent 5 days in their poorest province. I had more money in my pocket than the people in this province will make in a year.
    This guy was probably just some nutcase because violent crimes against foreigners are really rare in China. It is a truly sad story and I hate it for the Bauchman family. Such a sad ending to an exciting event. Our prayers are with them.

42. #42
    On August 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Despite how the government in China is, the people of China love America and the American people. Did you hear the reception the US team received the night of the opening ceremonies?

    Maybe, I rather doubt that the greater numbers of people know much about us at all. Those crowds are always hand selected as with the North Korean audience for one of our orchestras.

    But when push comes to shove the Han will stand behind their leaders, they always do. Too bad my uncle Gene is gone. He spent 14 months and days in a ChiCom prison camp; he could tell us all about the Chinese people, oh yea. No cousins from Uncle Gene, Chinese again.

    They may or may not love us, but dollars to donuts we fight them again. Did you know that almost all the German officers that invaded Norway in 1940 spoke Norweagin? During the First World War Norway took in tens of thousands of German youths so they would not go hungry during the blockade.

    Individual acts of kindness are wonderful; but we generally rally in the face of foreign threats. So do the Han.

43. #43
    On August 11th, 2008 at 7:55 pm, kyconservative said:

    Your Uncle was in a prison camp and I dare say the people who were in charge there were much more “hand selected” than the people I met in China or even the people in the crowd at the opening ceremonies. Naturally if we fight the Chinese in a war, they will do what their government tells them to. They have no real freedom there. Only by the grace of God am I an American. I did not choose where I was born. I have the freedoms I have because of this wonderful country. The Chinese people do not have that luxury. I do not think it is fair to say that I received individual acts of kindness. The China adoption community is a large and connected community and everyone I have ever spoken with in person or on-line has commented about the kindness and hospitality of the Chinese citizens. When we got our daughter’s passport, our Chinese guide and adoption facilitator handed it to us and said, “This is something I have always wanted and have never been able to get.”
    I read on an adoption blog the other day that a Chinese woman walked up to a new mother and touched her arm and said that she hoped that one day before she died that she hoped she could go to the US so she could read the Bible. She said more than a home, wealth, or health, she just wanted to read the Bible once before she died. The Chinese people know where the true freedom is and they know it isn’t in China.