Bosom buddies: Nancy Pelosi and Big Wind
It’s what conservative bloggers are buzzing about: the financial relationship between Do-Nothing Nancy Pelosi and Big Wind pusher T. Boone Pickens.
#dontgo reports that according to disclosure statements, “in May 2007 she invested in T. Boone Picken’s clean energy fuels corp., CLNE, which is the sole sponsor of a proposal in California to funnel $5 billion in state funds and $5 billion in Federal funs to this corporation which will indirectly help them create a giant wind farm in the Texas panhandle.”
Follow the money.
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Know your eco-cronies.
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I was leary of T Boon Pickens re: his energy policy and of course, don’t trust Nancy as far as I could throw her, but I am surprised at this connection. I hope this is broadcasted throughout the land.
lol right above the heading is an ad for going green…how ironic of the advertisers.
I’m sure this revelation will receive the same level of attention as the news of Al Gore’s investments in carbon-credit companies and such. That level, of course, being none, outside of the conservative blogosphere.
I’m not against developing wind energy. I feel, however, that it isn’t time to dump oil.
This relationship, though, most certainly fails the “smell test.”
Nanny and T Boner only want to make a buck off of the American tax payers dime I knew T Boner would’nt be in this thing unless he could make a buck, let’s make that billions of bucks and Nanny is no better she is one of the corruptocrats setting high and mighty in Washington. Go figure.
Finally something I agree with the Sierra Club about.
“Nancy Pelosi and big wind” - isn’t that redundant?
Big shocker, eh? I knew something was up. Pickens is a capitalist and capitalists follow the money. Nothing wrong with that. But as a politician San Fran Nan is supposed to avoid such obvious conflicts of interest. I doubt you can ethically invest in companies that stand to gain billions from your acts in Congress.
And what’s up with the liberal obsession with wind farms and solar power? Of all the alternative sources of energy out there, these two seem to be the least cost-effective. So why the liberal obsession?
It’s all about the vanity. Windfarms and solar power are among the most conspicuous forms of alternative energy. Nothing gets a liberal more hot and bothered than imagining acres of gleaming solar panels or majestically tilting windmills. No matter if these projects costs billions to develop and power comparatively only a few homes.
By comparison, geothermal or tide generation might be more cost-effective (in certain applications at least) can be more cost-effective. But there’s no gleaming solar panels or fancy wind-farms that liberals can preen in front of for photo-ops. No monument to their supreme sophistication.
And don’t even get me started about nuclear power . . .
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we can never dump oil, how will we make plastic’s and other essential products without it. decreasing our dependency of foriegn oil is what we need to do and alternative energy is not a bad idea, I don’t have a problem with it but what will it cost us in the long run? On the other hand I don’t need the Government shoving this tripe down my throat either.
Here’s a recent artilce on Pickens’ plan from the Dallas Morning News:
T. Boone Pickens’ motives in energy plan questioned
It’s a real
vast left wing conspiracycash-theft wind-conspiracy!Wow!!! Nancy Pelosi is in bed with an Energy company??? Where might she have gotten that idea from?
Cheney and Halliburton? Or Ken Laye’s connection to Dubya? Or Inhofe and his $1 million plus contributions from big oil?
Oh wait… She invested in them? That just seems backwards.
Oh, I see, so my state of Kalifornia has to fund 1/2 his so-called plan for some wind farm in TX using MY tax dollars?
Uh, I don’t think so.
It feels more like getting screwed.
from the movie A Mighty Wind directed by Christopher Guest
As soon as I saw the media gush over Pickens I became immediately suspicious. After all, traditionally, self-professed oilmen are the root of all evil to the left.
Although I might add when I saw the headline here and the refernce to Big Wind I immediately thought of Glowbama.
T.Boone Pickens not only has a stupid name, he has a stupid plan. We have plenty of oil for now, we should be using it. Wind doesn’t always blow, it doesn’t produce much energy, it takes up HUGE swaths of land, and Pickens is leveraging himself to make a load of money off of wind power… he is a tool.
Drill, nuclear, coal, shale, gas… and quit trying to burn FOOD as fuel…
I see we have another liberal.
Big wind? How about a mighty wind? It might well be not only the perfect song for Pickens & Company, but the Obama campaign itself. Mild language alert. See here.
Why not? Dianne Feinstein’s been doing it for years (via her hubby, Richard Blum).
Test post for see-dubya.
Looks like someone else already picked up on the mighty wind vibe. Sorry about that. But at least with the link you can sing along. It is a catchy tune, admittedly.
So let me get this straight…
Nancy Pelosi uses her majority power to get “wind power” a specific and very large amount Federal funding, while at the same time investing in the sole company that could profit from this funding in California, and this is legal, but…
…I talk to a buddy who is really excited about his new product his company is developing, so I decide to invest some of my own money to help the company have capital, and I go to jail for “insider trading”, or…
…I work in acquisitions for the Federal government, and I even think about investing in firms that work with my agency, and I have a GAO stick up my butt so large we could use it to pole vault to the Moon!
Come ON! When will America finally prohibit these Get Rich schemes that our Representatives and Senators love so much? I have an idea!
All elected and appointed officals in Federal government shall surrender all funds to the US Treasury upon ellection, to include any funds generated from the sale of their property or business. All elected and appointed officals shall be restricted from employment for a period of 10 years (or even life!) in any industry which they directed legislation for via committee or sub-committee. The Treasury shall return the exact amount of funds surrendered, fully taxable as income, upon the tax year following the year of the elected or appointed officials retirement, loss of office, or expulsion for misconduct. Elected officals and appointed officals shall: live in government appointed housing or give an appropriate allowance as per the Federal Acquisition Regulations; be paid at the equivilent level of a GS-15, Step 1; and all the other regulations that we impose on our military and government employees.
NO MORE FAVOR FOR THE ELECTED We must remember: An Elected Offical is the idiot that manged to get a majority of all the other idiots to vote them in to office. They deserve neither respect, worship, honor, or acknowledgement. They live to do our bidding, and not the other way around.
This had not occurred to me until I heard Jason Lewis subbing for Rush today.
Imagine all the wiring that will have to go into the windmill farms. There isn’t only the wiring with each windmill, they need to wired into the transmission lines of the main grid.
Also, where is all the energy going to come from to make all the wiring and the rest of the materials that will go into the windmills?
No wonder Pickens has kicked off this campaign. He’s looking for someone else to fund his project. That is smart business. Our major sports leagues have been doing similar for many years now and those projects have much less return that Pickens’ windmills can have.
Oh brother, another shining example of the “most open and ethical Congress evah”!
I’m with you Misscheryl, The R’s back in DC waiting for Comrade Pelosi to open the people’s House back up should be screaming pretty loud.
I don’t care if it doesn’t smell right. IF it smells like something died under the porch, you go and get rid of it.
Therefore, the Dems should get buried in November.
I have zero problem with T Boone Pickens wanting to build windmills. I just wish he’d be honest about it. If his commercial said something like, “We’d generate 1.21 jigawatts of new energy a year, and yeah, my company would make two billion dollars,” I wouldn’t care less.
Oh, and #15 beat me to it. I just thought of A Mighty Wind when it came to Pelosi. Remember though, she’s trying to saaaaaaave the plaaaaanet!!
P.S. Yes, that is a Back to the Future callout
Pickens is a life long conservative Republican Texas oil man. All of a sudden he comes up with a slimy deal that pretends to help the environment but really is intended to make him richer.
Somehow this is the fault of Democrats who have been pushing for alternative energy policies for a decade?
I think T.Boone is blowing smoke up Nancy’s you-know-what. A pipsqueak liberal from San Fransicko teamed up with a Texas Billionaire, she must be giving him a hand job under the table. The rest of us just get scr**ed.
I’m just wondering what a solar or wind powered harvester is going to look like.
They can talk all they want about alternative energy, and asking us to car pool and use mass transit (not to mention checking the air in our tires), but until they can come up with an alternative for diesel fuel (other than using our food supply) to power farm equipment, trucks and trains to get goods to market, we have to develop oil resources. In addition to the petro chemical industry as pointed out by blind mule.
We can either buy it from people that hate us, or develop our own.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t pursue alternatives (including biofuels) if we can do it without starving ourselves (not to mention the liberal favorite victims in the third world) to death in the process, or destroying our economy through litigation and schemes that enrich the wealthy few (green credits etc).
And T Boone is just trying to get an advantage under the table with the help of Nancy. And Nancy is trying to cash in under the table (as is SOP in congress).
Another argument for term limits.
Blind_Mule and tre …
True statements …besides … we use less oil for electical energy production, gasoline, diesel and heating oil than is used for all the other petroleum containing products, such as plastics, women’s cosmetics, anti-freeze, paint, shampoo and conditioners, styrofoam, and even the fragrances in perfumes and colognes … not to mention the rubber compounds used in the tires that Obama wants to inflate … they all require oil derivatives … and that is just a small sampling … look for “propylene glycol” or “isopropyl alcohol” on the label … (yes … rubbing alcohol) … they are all derivatives from crude oil …
T. Boone Pickens is emboldening our enemies
tre - I think Kevtron is really MJ…
Wind power is intermittent, unreliable, rarely ever works at rated power and is more expensive.
Ethanol creates 73% as many BTUs as gasoline. Requires federal subsidies to sell for the same price as gasoline. Increases the cost of food. Reduces gas milage in cars. Requires energy to produce.
Solar power costs about 10 years of rated energy production in order to pay for itself.
What do all of these technologies have in common?
They are inferior, more expensive, and are extremely corrupting to our economy. They will destroy America’s prosperity. They may well be valuable alternative in the future, but for today, they are just simply not ready for the big time.
Alternative options are more oil production, more nuclear power and more coal power. In order to get energy independence, Nuclear power stations should be used to turn coal into fuel and supply the energy required for extraction of shale oil deposits.
Nuclear fuel should be reprocessed, the spent fuel remaining should then be encased into massive blocks of glass, concrete, stainless steel or whatever is required to make them inaccessable and stored in Yucca Mountain.
Trying actually reading, for a change, before you spew crap, lgm…
It’s that the Speaker of the House is in bed financially with Pickens and his plan.
I hope I didn’t offend your delicate sensitivities with that one.
ROFL. I see a new trend. lgm can insult Michelle and Christians but don’t hurt his feelings or suffer being deleted.
I thought if I replaced my light bulbs you could all feel safe that I was saving the planet. I guess I will have to install windmills so you all can sleep tonight.
But don’t wind turbines block Ted Kennedy’s access to the ocean? And harm the birds?
Clean energy is the cry, until it offends someone or hurts some animal…then we’re stuck with no alternatives.
On August 11th, 2008 at 3:49 pm, Misscheryl said:
tre - I think Kevtron is really MJ…
Nope. All original. KevoTron in the flesh here… Posting from the lovely NorthWest. I won’t be here all the time as I can only take so much time away from work. I read several blogs (left and right) during my lunch breaks. And spare any overused jokes about being a McDonalds employee- I’m a stripper at night and a Republican Congressman during the day.
Everyone, please remember, the only thing that keeps Big Wind is the game is Continuously Passing Gas.
Kevtron - you’re really big on talking about yourself aren’t you - you sure your aren’t MJ???
Everyone, please remember, the only thing that keeps Big Wind
isin the game is Continuously Passing Gas.Typos… [Sideshow Bob Growl]
excuse me “Kevotron…” I misspelled your name - a unforgivable sin…can I just call you Kevtron…it sounds kinda cool donchathink?
It’s a sad day today, Soap. *sigh*
I watch him do his swoop-n-poop, thread-jack, obfuscate, etc. and then he bellyaches, when his delicate sensitivities are hurt. It’s just like listening to nails grating on a chalkboard.
It might be different, if he offered something substantive from time to time.
On August 11th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, Misscheryl said:
Kevtron - you’re really big on talking about yourself aren’t you - you sure your aren’t MJ???
What can I say? I’m a fascinating guy. Let’s not get off on the wrong foot here though. I’m here for pleasantries and the occasional snark. I’m not a ‘marxist’ and I plan on leaving the site cleaner than I found it.
Give me a chance and you’ll find I’m more conservative than you think.
Now Kevotron - being a marxist isn’t something someone readily admits….but, from what I’ve read so far, I’m sure you are quite the conservative..cough, cough…
glad to have you here and if you get too big for your britches there is always someone here that will box your ears! teeheehee
Should the House ever come back into session, I’m expecting the Democrat energy policy to include a requirement for a certain percentage of wind power (which will include the requirement for huge wind deflectors immediately in front of the wind turbines), and a certain percentage of solar power (including a requirement for blackout curtains covering 90% of the solar panels) as well as a fixed requirement for clean coal and nuclear power, (provided that those power plants can be certified to produce less airborne pollutants than a 1956 Buick).
In other words, they will take the same approach to alternative energy as they have been taking towards petroleum products for the last 30 years. After all, it is the government.
Barry F. (#40) quotes the article
Did Pelosi support the Pickens proposal? Did Pickens contribute to her campaign? Is Pickens the reason Pelosi started supporting wind power ten years ago?
Granted, Pelosi is a politician and likely to be slimy. But you don’t seem to have the goods on her yet.
And what if Pickens bought her off? Wind power still is a good idea that the federal government should support financially. That was true before Pickens and it will be true after he is exposed (something with “a tendency to happen” (quoting Apollo 13) to lifelong conservative Republican Texas oilmen).
On August 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm, Misscheryl said:
Thanks for the welcome. No, I’m not a dyed in the wool Republican but I’m a strong supporter of gun rights and many elements of fiscal conservatism.
Limbaugh and Hannity have brought the word ‘marxist’ back into the political lexicon and I think they use it disingenuously. Undoubtedly there are socialist aspects to modern liberalism but let’s face it: it’s not Marxism and frankly, we have two parties that are BOTH big government these days.
I have no doubt that there will be many people here to “box my ears” and then some.
Maybe you could tell me what exactly makes wind power a good idea. Especially today with current technology? Where is it superior to coal, natural gas or nuclear power?
How is it five to ten oil wells is unsightly, yet thousands of towering windmills isn’t? And don’t all those windmills make considerably more land completely unusuable for any other purpose? What exactly is the point then, aside from making money off of them. How much does one windmill cost virsus one oil well? Paging Don Quixote. Yet another grandious con job. And this will be Federally and State funded. Open your bank account. It may get to the point where burning money for fuel is actually cheaper.
Would appear to be a direct conflict of interest. Wonder how many years one can get for $5billion…
astonerii said (#48):
There’s lots of info in the Wikipedia article. Wind power is renewable — doesn’t use fuel. It adds little CO2 to the air.
Advantage over coal: you don’t have to rip up the countryside to get it. Advantage over natural gas: no CO2. Wind is free (though windmills are not). Advantage over nuclear: no radioactive waste. If a windmill breaks, it falls over. If a nuclear powerplant breaks, it could be more serious.
“Follow the money”…
and 1 more
i agree with that post on its fact. Wind power is cleaner all the way around. no argument there.’
One problem i see…what happens when the wind stops blowing?
the other problem i’ve seen is actual power output..the project T.Boone is suggesting would power something around 100,000 homes or so? Sounds about right i think…but look at the size of the operation. thats alot of structures, and alot of money…for something that barely makes a dent in the power needs we have.
I completely agree that wind power is cleaner, and would provide energy we need. But is it a good investment? Is the end result worth the cost?
I’m still researching that. and i’m sure we’ll visit this again later.
Out for the day!
Going green — Who knew “Big Wind” was as bad for America as “Big Oil”. Isn’t it always the money? The tax payer gets the shaft, the politicians get the money. You wonder how they go to Congress paupers and leave as multi-Millionaires — Ask Harry Reid how. Call now, operators standing by.
T-Bonehead Pickens is running the path of the old East Texas wildcatters like HL Hunt. You grease the politicians to get them to buy off on your hole in the ground. Looks like he’s found the motherlode in a place to sink a new hole…Nancy’s head. Ah for the days of Landslide Lyndon. At least back then…when you bought a politician…he stayed bought.
Almost makes me ashamed to be a Texan
Wind power:
Requires massive amounts of land use for anchoring.
Requires massive amounts of additional power transfer lines, which again has to take up land space.
Requires massive amounts of steel which again, requires ground to be used to get not only the steel, but also the coal to smelt it.
What makes renewable special?
CO2 is plant food. You like to eat plants right? Animals like to eat plants. You like to eat animals I hope. By the way, do some research and look at how much CO2 increase there is in the atmosphere in gigatons carbon, then check out the amount of CO2 emitted by human beings since 1900 in gigatons carbon. Compare these two numbers and you will find something truly amazing. The increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is greater that the total amount of CO2 that man has created. CO2 is not bad until it reaches greater than 40000PPM at which time it starts to kill animals and humans.
Coal is typically mined in quite an ecologically nice way. They dig holes into the ground, and tunnel through the ground. Some places do strip mining, where the topsoil is moved from on top of the coal, and when mining is completed it is returned and a new natural habitat is planted and allowed to flourish at the expense of the mining company. This is opposed to windmills which once placed destroy the ecology of the area around them.
Nuclear power generation plants are new and improved significantly since the 1980’s. France is proof that nuclear power not only is safe, it is cost effective. Nuclear waste can be contained easily enough, once econuts get out of the way. France has no problems at all with reclaiming nuclear fuel and storing its waste product. The only reason the USA has problem is because of green freaks. New power generation plants are designed so that there is no chance of meltdown, as the nuclear fuel is pelletized and not in rod form. The pellets are designed so that the fuel cannot reach critical mass no matter what the circumstances are.
In closing, knowledge is power. Wind power in all circumstances, today is inferior. It is unreliable because the wind does not always blow, so it always requires some form of reliable back up. It costs more money, and that is less money to be used on things that are effective, wasting trillions of dollars on ineffective energy resources will cause our economy to slow or even go into recession or even depression, especially when you take into the account rolling blackouts and the exedus of companies that require cheap reliable energy in order to provide services and products to their customers. It is not even really an environmentally friendly enterprise, as it will cause areas equal to medium sized states to be blanketed with wind turbines.
Ten billion dollars? Five billion from Californians? I think they have enough monetary problems as it is.
Wind power will always be, at best, a supplemental power source. No matter where you put these things there are going to be times when the wind either doesn’t blow hard enough or it blows too hard.
well dang, wish I would have bought some stock at what she paid for it.
Were surrounded by wind farms here.
If you follow that link above it may lead you to the percentage of time on’
Where they put them here my guess is around 90%.
Ha! good one.
They still haven’t been able to explain to me how solar power is going to run my car and get me to work and such … only place that might work is putting a sail on the top of your car in DC … enough hot air coming out of Congress to keep traffic flowing non-stop there …
meant wind power … damn fingers …
It’s quite simple. The libs will simply change the earth’s orbit to bring it within a million miles of the sun!
and with all this “climate change” how can we depend on the sun and the wind to even be around?
On the serious side, wind power truly is a viable energy source in many parts of Texas and Mr. Pickens has a proven track record of finding profitable enterprises. That said, he also bought up a county in North Texas for the water rights and got a sweetheart of a deal from the Texas legislature which allowed him to form his own Utility District which has, in case you couldn’t guess, the Power of Eminent Domain. Meaning he can condemn properties along the route of a major water pipeline he wants to build to move what he sucks out of North Texas down to San Antonio. Keep your hands on your wallets and your eyes on their lies.
astonerii said (#54):
True, it’s not resource or carbon neutral. Per kilowat-hour, it emits less carbon than making electricity by burning stuff.
Less environmental impact, potentially cheaper in the long run (no fuel costs).
Is this global warming denial?
True, I am willing to go nuclear. But many Americans are not — hence renewable.
With as much hot air as she has it’s the perfect choice. However, we now know without a doubt why whe won’t allow drilling… maybe that should be part of the campaign.
Clean Energy Fuels Corporation and its stock holders, including San Fran Nan (via her own 2007 disclosure forms on pg. 7), stand to make a substantial profit from the infusion of $100,000,000,000.00 split between the state and the federal governments. The longer Nan can sit on her posterior and procrastinate on actually bringing the issue of domestic drilling to an up or down vote, the more her personal portfolio increases. As #dontgo notes…
So, what personal financial incentive does Nan have to bring the issue of deomestic drilling to a vote? Don’t hurt yourself. I’ll help you out - None. This is especially true, since she bought the stock for around $12.00+/- per share at its initial public offering and, after taking quite a dip in value, it worth around $14.00+/- now but is on the way back up, since Pickens started running his ads pushing his “plan.”
Who would have thunk it? Nan is a closet capitalist pig. Sorry. I couldn’t give you any Wikipedia info. I had to stick with more concrete references.
But, let me guess. You are with Nancy Pelosi like you are with Obama. We can give you information until we are blue in the face and you will still believe her, right?
Pelosi is trying to bust “Big Oil” by breaking “Big Wind”?
Given the bloviations by Pelosi, it would certainly qualify as more than just the vapors too, purplepeep.
Both he and she are phonies.
Has anyone actually studied the impact of wind farming on the environment? I’m not talking just about birds being killed (though I would think this would be a strike against it, especially for the enviro-weenies who are so gung ho for wind turbines) but about effects on weather.
Obama has a commercial out saying that we can convert to alternate energy sources (obviously including wind turbines) within the next 10 years. That means that we would have to have massive wind farms which would dwarf the farms proposed by Pickens. What would such massive arrays draining the energy out of moving air do to the air currents which drive the weather? What would that do to rainfall patterns? Would that have a negative impact on plants (both crop and wild) and animal life? How much land would need to be devoured in order to reach the 10 year pipe dream? How much of that might be farmland or people’s homes and livelihoods?
I know that lefties think wind turbines are a prime energy source, and I can see their usefulness as a supplemental source. However, they’ve also been very quick to overlook the drawbacks of it, nevermind discussing—let alone answering—questions about the impact of massive scale wind farming.
We would have guessed one from the other…
Pickens donated to Gulianni’s Presidential campaign. She’s free to invest in whatever stocks she wants. It is still an obvious conflict of interest but connecting him to her is tenuous at best.
The only thing scarier than Nancy Pelosi’s continued reelection is Cindy Sheehan as a replacement.
I’m only surprised that Pelosi isn’t pushing for a power plant fueled by burning aborted babies. Obama, the wannabe anti-Christ, will certainly go for burning live births.
As far as locating a wind farm in Texas - it is obvious that Washington DC is a windier place.
Little is being said lately about the natural gas side of T. Boone Pickens’ plan. He wanted the wind power to divert natural gas from electricity production to cars converted to NG fuel. Then he wants to go after some of the huge untapped gas resources in Texas and in the Gulf of Mexico. This is not necessarily bad, but it is not “carbon-neutral” either.
you know i’m shocked by a lot but i got to say this doesn’t surprise me, she does it in her own district by helping her husbands invested money in the ports of the bay area.
Will someome PLEASE tell the House Republicans so they can cripple the Dems public support while they’re on that insane ‘let them eat cake’ holiday?
Just wanted to keep it non-partisan.
I hate to imagine Pelosi with more power, but she may have more after the elections…sheesh!
I am not willing to go renewable, and most Americans will not go renewable until renewable is cost effective. Nuclear power today is cost effective with no subsidies. Renewable energy sources are not environmentally sound. Wind power requires concrete, steel, maintenence, and massive amounts of land space which is not recoverable as long as the turbines are used. Renewable fuels require massive amounts of land to grow as well as water and they increase food costs for everyone. When food prices go up, people get desperate to feed their families and are perfectly willing to screw mother nature in order to feed their family today.
The green movement has reached its apex, and it will soon be in major decline for no other reason than the fact that Americans have has the blinders removed and they now see the green movement for what it is. Restrictionist and anti people. $4/gallon gasoline has opened their eyes. $400/month heating and cooling bills have opened their eyes. The green movement is a luxury item, not a life necessity like food and energy.
As for CO2, and my denier status. I am a denier. Global warming may have been happening from the 1970’s when we were being told a new ice age was in the making until 1998 when we reached the second or third highest temperature in the 20th century (most of the highest temperatures all happened before 1945)but since then CO2 has continued to rise, but global temperature has fallen. CO2 does not cause significant changes to the earths temperature simply because the greenhouse effect is caused by preventing warm air from rising and nothing in our atmosphere prevents warm air from rising. Another fact missing from all the gorebull out there is another simple fact, there is a limited amount of energy for CO2 to absorb from the earth radiating energy back out into space. CO2 only absorbs energy in a very narrow spectrum, and it is likely that the energy available for absobption is completely absorbed before CO2 levels reach 321 PPM. Once the energy available for absorbtion has been overwhelmed by the CO2 levels no amount of increased CO2 will cause any additional warming.
Knowledge is power. Being a skeptic is to be a person in search of knowledge. All knowledge we possess today has come from skeptics of the past.
Fun facts. $5,000,000,000 spent each and every year to scientist who push global warming research. A few million dollars and then blacklisting to scientists who are skeptics. When your research funding and continued employment is directly tied to the output of the your answer, do you give a answer that will cause you to lose your job and lifes work?
Sorry for the tangent, but it is so freaking rediculous to argue with people who have swollowed kool-aid by the gallon.
Exit question. If you honestly beleive that CO2 causes global warming, could you explain the temperatures in the 1970’s and the current trend in temperatures since 1998?
I am personally a big believer in renewable, from the perspective of being more self sustaining, and the higher cost of installing solar and wind on my home, when I can build it, is offset by the benefit I feel I get by being more self reliant.
This situation has been awkward for me, because I LOVE renewable energy, but the fact is renewable energy is a personal choice not a national policy and forcing people to pay more when our entire economy depends on cheap energy is extremely harmful to our economy and our freedom.
I have updated the original article HERE.
I will doing more throughout the day on three great weaknesses of the global warming crowd’s “energy plan:, namely the myth of the 68 million acres, the myth of ethanol and bio feuls, and the myth of using the SPR…
Bill Collier
Freedomist, Republicanist… AMERICAN
Here in SouthEast Michigan, first my parents generation, then my generation had to pay billions in taxes and Detroit Edison bill fees to build not one, but two Nuclear Power plants close to the Michigan/Ohio border. Where does the power go? Not to Michigan residents. The power goes to other states. My question is do we get any benefit (lower bills) as a result? Nobody has ever been able to answer that question to my satisfaction, so I’m guessing “NO”!
lgm, there’s hope for you yet.
NEW UPDATES: “The Rabbit Hole Goes Deeper.”
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, William Hambrecht, T. Boone Pickens
I have not read the entire string but does anyone else see a problem here? Why do they use our tax dollars to assist a billionare and a millionare make money? Did anyone ask if we wanted to invest our money here? That is what is happening but we are not getting any benefit.
Screw Pickens and Pilloried.
Alexwest #36, so we Americans aren’t farting enough? Hmmm, bring on the green chili burritos, we’ll show’m! Megawatts, ahoy!
Over 32,000 have signed a petition to call congress back, and Nancy is starting to cave a bit on drilling, but clearly, she does not want a vote unless she can limit drilling and get funding for her company…
New Energy Reform Act of 2008 (PONZI SCHEME)
The “Gang of ten” proposes a “compromise” but, in reality, it is nothing more than a warmed over version of the Pelosi-Pickens Ponzi Scheme!
http://dontgomovement.com/2008/08/12/new-energy-reform-act-of-2008-ponzi-scheme/
Bill Collier
Upadaria@yahoo.com
(This post is gibberish, as are the links to #dontgo. Where the hell is Shelly, on vacation?)
Pickens’ scummy wind jive is classic Texas bullcrap. He’s old and weird, and this odd scheme to screw us out of money that he’ll never live to spend is quite unseemly.