Bush to address Russia crisis at 5:15pm Eastern; Update: “Unacceptable”
Update: Bush…” “Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century,” Bush said a hastily announced statement at the White House.”
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A press event is scheduled in the Rose Garden, according to USAT and other news outlets.
An interesting blog angle here on the government of Georgia’s efforts to communicate in the face of Russia’s cyberwar.
Computerworld has details:
Hackers, perhaps affiliated with a well-known Russian criminal network, have attacked and hijacked Web sites belonging to Georgia, the former Soviet republic now in the fourth day of war with Russia, a security researcher claimed on Sunday.
Some Georgian government and commercial sites are unavailable, while others may have been hijacked, said Jart Armin, a researcher who tracks the notorious Russian Business Network (RBN), a malware and criminal hosting network.
“Many of Georgia’s Internet servers were under external control from late Thursday,” Armin said early Saturday in an entry on his Web site. According to his research, the government’s sites dedicated to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Defense, and the country’s president, Mikhail Saakashvili, have been blocked completely, or traffic to and from those sites’ servers have been redirected to servers actually located in Russia and Turkey.
As of midnight Eastern time on Sunday, Georgia’s presidential and defense ministry sites were unavailable from the U.S. Although the foreign ministry’s site remained online, the most recent news item was dated Aug. 8, the day Georgian and Russian forces first clashed.
Armin warned that Georgian sites that appeared online may actually be bogus. “Use caution with any Web sites that appear of a Georgia official source but are without any recent news [such as those dated Saturday, Aug. 9, or Sunday, Aug. 10], as these may be fraudulent,” he said in another entry posted midafternoon on Sunday.
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I wish I could feel reassured about this, but I don’t. Please George, do something, say something intelligent, just once. Russia’s invasion is, after all, a warm-up for China’s aggression against Taiwan, coming any month now.
Oh I just saw it, he said Russia has no business attacking Atlanta, Georgia, doh!
When is Europe aka the EU going to step up to the plate? I’m fed up with Euroweenies piggy backing on Uncle Sam and our tax dollars.
What is Bush going to do, shake his finger at the Russians and say ‘naughty’? Maybe he can get the UN to issue another letter saying nothing.
Good-good.
Makes you miss Reagan though. WWRD?
Looks like Putin just can’t let go of his past.
Yeah like avenging his dad’s war
atheling-I totally agree…
Denmark let it be know -last week- that Russian military air-craft has been flying over her air -space,,,
Let’s see:
Denmark
Georgia
Canada
Australia
UK
are the countries actually fighting (with guns and bullets) along side our troops in Afghanistan>>>>>>
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/putin-blasts-us-for-assisting-georgia.html#comments
Dick Morris had a good column today comparing the Russians in Georgia to the Germans in Sudentenland in 1938 and the President of Georgia had an editorial in the WSJ today begging for the West to help. Mother Russia doesn’t like her former children straying to democracy. Unless Europe is prepared to put the bootin Putin, Georgia will soon be Back In The USSR!
On August 11th, 2008 at 3:41 pm, atheling said:
Not any time soon:
Bush can only do a few things.
1) Berlin Airlift to Tblisi of humanitarian supplies – and DARE the russians to shoot at us (escort the transports with F-22′s)
2) Sealift – Sen d US destroyers to escort humanitarian supply carring freighers into Georgian ports. DARE the Russians to continue their illegal act of war, the naval blockade.
3) Press for the IMMEDIATE acdeptance of Urkraines pettion to join NATO – and get basing rights for NATO destroyers in Odess, on the black sea, NATO Fighters near Kiev, and a NATO and a US Brigade to temporarily base in the Ukraine for “training”.
4) Throw russia out of the G-7 meetings, and impose harsh economic penalites where we can on Russia.
5) Start pressuring Russian client states like Cuba and Venezuela, press them HARD.
And finally, do this in secret:
6) Order covert support guerillas who are fighting for freedom against Russians all over the periphery of the former soviet union. Let the russians bleed from IED and EFPs, let them suffer attacks on their pipelines. Send hioem the price of Putin’s imperialistic actions to the Russian peopel in the form of body bags from dozens of “mini-afghanistans”.
1-4 can be done NOW and should be done immediately.
Its up to Bush to decide NOW whether he is Jimmy Carter or Harry truman.
It all comes down to if its Bush the Strong 2001-2 or if its Bush the wimp 2007-8.
We are stuck on this. Russia’s one of the only nuclear powers who supports our stance on Iran. Georgia’s a friend of ours and we have no military assets to provide in this situation anyways. I guess our military forces are kind of busy right now…
Fairness doctrine or Google?
Seriously a few thousand anti-tank rockets air-dropped in wouldn’t hurt.
Comment would be superfluous.
I hope he doesn’t do a Reagan “the bombing starts in five minutes” … On second thought, watching the liberal glow incandescence would be cool.
Anyone know what security arrangements we may have with Georgia? They helped immensely with Afghanistan ….
Russia doesn’t support our stance on Iran. They sell lots of nasty weapons systems to them. In fact Iran licensed out the design of the BMP-1 armored personelle carrier from Russia and now builds them in-house in all sorts of nifty configurations.
As for what we can do, very simple: sell stingers and javelins (anti-tank missiles) to Georgia on credit. I would have sent those along with the Georgian soldiers we air-lifted back from Iraq.
I hope someone in our government was smart enough to do that… covertly, of course.
I reckon this aint goin to be pretty.
If our government makes the call, we are more than able to answer it. Don’t believe the ‘stretched to the point of breaking’ liberal mantra. I’m not saying it will be easy but neither was Iraq. We’ll be ready.
Russia has decided Obama will win (and should with as many dead people and illegal’s he has voting for him) and has decided they can pre-empt their aggression. Obama will do nothing. Bush is leaving soon. Anything Bush decides to do, Obama will undo. Taiwan may be next to come under attack and watch what N. Korea does.
What WILL the U(nited)N(othings) do? Nothing as usual. Just as well. All the U.N. does is get in the way of peace while turning their backs on real problems (if not contributing directly to them).
We have a lot of fighter planes in Turkey, right next door. Sadly, doing anything rash would only inflame the situation at this point.
The New Russia is a big a bully as the old one, and the one before that one. A thousand years don’t change a thing.
But we can’t blow up Russian ships or shoot their planes out of the sky. I can’t imagine where that could lead.
NATO should, however, be beefing up air defenses all along the eastern flank of NATO…especially the Baltic states.
Anyone hear Buchanan spout off how Russia has a right to its own Monroe Doctrine?
Russia is selling Iran a Nuclear reactor, Russia is selling them Sunburn supersonic cruise missiles, Russia is no friend of the US.
I just hope Bush chooses his words very carefully. If not, this is the kind of situation that can spiral out of control quickly.
You aint just whistling Dixie!
#7 nero said:
Yeah, and those same pesky UN Security Council Resolutions that Bill Clinton cited when he bombed Baghdad on 12/16/98.
Draft a STRONGLY worded resolution that Russia will promptly veto (if China doesn’t beat them to it).
What we don’t need is another, Chamberlain. Bush needs to be the man he was after September 11, 2001. This is REALLY scary folks…..
We can thank the LEFT Winging media for this one. Years of bashing the US, bashing the presidency, B.S. movies blaming the US and the military for everything has weakened us in the eyes of international community. These people are the most irresponsible people in this great nation. Would Russia have done this now if the idiots credited a move of strength (THE SURGE) as working and that fighting from a position of strength is always best? This is a monumental event and it’s resolution will have long lasting affects on world order. Peace, Freedom, Democracy is what we fight for every single day. Who’s next on Russia’s list? Who will the LIBERAL media call on to stop them? The EU? The UN?
Wow. Talk about crazed. Obama has nothing, and can do nothing, in this situation. This is a sad testement to your blindness; that you can only see this situation in such a limited and niave perspective.
Your soap box is a low one ideed.
Listen, Iraq is nothing compared to the seriousness of a war between US and Russia.
Well, Soap, the UN might do like they did in Africa: Defray costs by opening brothels…
HALT or I shall say HALT again… The UN is useless.
Not only africa. Some of the biggest customers for brothels in Bosnia during and after the war were UN peacekeepers.
I can’t help but wonder if Bush should draw a line in the ground, and demand putin withdraw his troops behind that line in 24 hours or risk US intervention in this conflict. And by intervention I mean massed air strikes on any Russian target past that line of de-markation. At that point, if Russia does pull back, then the US would be willing to host talks between Russia and Georgia to solve this crisis peacefully as a moderator at a site later to be designated in europe. that’s what I think bush should do.
Maybe a little quip about Ronald Reagan’s ‘Bombing Starts in Ten minutes’ joke might be good, but he has to be firm and now.
Russia invades Georgia. Bush spends the next two days ogling volleyball players. Then he takes a briefing (“Bin Laden determined to strike America” — no, not that briefing).
Being a leader means being decisive.
that is possiably the biggest understatement today. The extreme senerio involves the extinction of the human race. On the plus side however, total global thermonuclear war would solve global warming… (back away from the button al gore
)
The Monroe doctrine did not include taking over neighboring countries. I quit listening to anything Buchanan has to say long ago. Georgia wants to be a free country. Maybe Obama supports everyone being communists but we should support freedom inspite of him.
I take it LGM that you have not been watching the news for the last 4 days? No he didn’t send in b-52′s to carpet bomb the russians, he has been pushing on the diplomatic front, although the b-52′s probably would have been more effective. I thought thats what you wanted him too do.
And what happens if Russia calls that bluff? If we bluff, we better be ready to back it up. I for one am not prepared to start a war with Russia over this. At least not yet. As stated above, this is Russia, not Iraq. Cool heads must prevail for now.
Georgia is lost, I am now more concerned with the next country they want to invade.
ok, i’ve got time
I wont punch hard on this one since this is a complex issue.
Basically, Bush can be as decisive as he likes…but this is a rock and a hard place.
One the one hand: One really big nuclear world power.
and
On the other hand: Georgia and the friendly relations we have with them.
Any action would be considered hostile by the russians. Charging in with guns blazing isnt the answer…but neither is sitting by and letting things settle on their own.
This is really a time for the world to step up and diplomatically solve the conflict. anything else could result in more bloodshed and strained relations with other countries.
Oh…
and hell, i’d trade places to be out there with the girls volleyball team. its good to be king right?
Bush has to do something. What, I really don’t know. If we just sit back and do nothing won’t that tell Iran and others that we don’t mean business? All talk and no bluster? That isn’t the US I grew up in. But what is the answer?
Of course we do not have to invade Russia to take military action so the Iraq comparison is a lazy argument. The concept of mutually assured destruction still holds so we can rule out nukes. There is much we can do– Russia’s economy would not survive a prolonged engagement. What we CAN NOT allow is Russia walk over their weaker neighbors while we tsk tsk and wag our fingers. Take action now or take more serious action later. “The surest way to war is naively wishing for peace.” (paraphrased and originator forgotten, sorry)
Not bloodly likely.
Too bloody likely.
Packing my bags for the war….
Oh, I left off lgm can insult the POTUS and get a pass.
Sorry. Didn’t mean to insult Obama fans. Sorry to lgm too.
We should tread very lightly on this. The consequences are huge. However I find it interesting how many who have jumped on Bush for being a warmongerer are expecting him to step up and do something about this, for once it seems that Bush is taking the diplomatic route and still he gets thrashed.
Oh well, blame Bush, to the end. /sarc
Bush could always embargo all oil and gas shipments into/out of Russia and freeze all assets that the Russians have in the US.
Let me guess…it will be filled with modals (e.g. “Russia should leave Georgia…” or “All parties ought to respect the sovereignty of Georgia…”) or useless “urgings” (e.g. “We urge Russia to pullout…”, “We urge all parties to show restraint…” yadda yadda yadda).
There is no Margaret Thatcher to keep him from going “all wobbly”… so I suspect the Georgians, their state and their democracy are doomed.
Thank God the halfwitted Messiah of Democracy and the Neocon Fourth Reich didn’t yet suck Georgia into NATO, obliging us to fight a possible nuclear war with the other great nuclear power.
I’m sure that the United Nations will draft a stinging response to the Georgia situation as soon as they get done drafting the Security Council resolution calling upon Sudan to stop their ethnic cleansing. Unfortunately, they have been through 4 or 5 drafts and, in typical U.N. style, cannot come up with the right combination of empty words and phrases to please everyone.
OrdinaryColoradan #11
Interesting suggestions. At the moment, were we to take military action, in many corners of the world we’d be seen as the aggressors.
However, if we follow the suggestions you lay out, it forces Russia into the position of either backing down, or attacking US assets. I think the course of action you propose has some merit, especially numbers 1-4.
My reaction – eh.
Well that was a whole lot of nothing, All he said was “russia must sign and comply with the cease fire georgia has already signed”
I am listening in to the un, I expect nothing from there as well.
I thought it was kind of weak, but apparently the media considered them “very strong”.
Barbara Starr brought up an interesting point. President Bush noted intelligence that Russia will bomb a civilian airport — the same airport the U.S., Britain, and France want to use for humanitarian relief.
A whole bunch of pissed of looking people walking arround the UN thats for sure.
amerpun: Since when did russians care about humanitarian relief??? Reference berlin in 1945.
Poti, a port on the black sea seems to have fallen to the russians.
President Bush noted intelligence that Russia will bomb a civilian airport
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This may be the biggest message in the whole speech. It says we know what you are doing.
There are 2,000 Americans in Tbilisi. Starr: Americans have been evacuating via convoy, but if Russia invades the capital the future is unclear.
why are we not helping our friends?
Bush’s response seems to be a day late and a dollar short. He needed to be stronger – can you say “Neville Chamberlain”?
There only IS one big airport left in Georgia. If Russia takes it out, they can do whatever they want unopposed.
Folks, Russia just threw a war and no one else showed up. Now what are YOU going to do?
rotarymunkey: prevent the next one is all we can do at this point. Georgia is doomed unless something diplomatic can be pulled out of someones butt in the next 2 days. All russia has to do is stall diplomaticaly and they win. (reference 12 years of iraqi stalling)
It absolutely makes my blood BOIL to read people in this country say they’re unwilling to fight for people in democracies who IDOLIZE us. Refusing to fight for people who have supported us in our fight against Islamic Terrorists.
If you won’t fight for your friends, they won’t fight for you. Remember that, folks…
rotarymunkey: If I thought we could do something millitarily I would support it, but that time has almost passed. We are talking hours here not days.
This is a problem and one I don’t think we need to stick our necks into.
With all the other problem hotspots around the world, why is Georgia suddenly a top priority?
The Georgian government has not exactly been above reproach in it’s treatment of the two “breakaway” regions, which have been pretty autonomous since 1991 or so. I think we should back away quietly from this one and call for a diplomatic solution.
Alphonse,Even half-witted makes him twice as smart as you.
wckelly60: The problem for me is the next country more than just georgia.
Lucky for them the Marines stuck with the MV-22 program. Flys like a plane, lands like a helicopter. Carries lots of good guys with guns.
Russia’s envoy to the UN basically said that the U.S. condemnation of their actions was hypocritical due to recent U.S. invasions/bombings of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Serbia and the disproportionate amount of force that was used, respectively. Bush is in a tough sport, as Russia is obviously scoffing at his initial attempts to promote a ceasefire and basically called him a hypocrite.
UN still in closed door session. Lots of angry looking diplomats wondering arround.
I think they said that about the Sudetenland in the 1930′s…
sonofdy, what about all the other hotspots we have either let be or moved away from? Now is not the time to say, “what about the next country?”
I believe, by and large, that Georgia brought this upon itself, and expects us to bail them out. Like the little kid who bullies even smaller kids, but complains when the smaller kids’ big brother shows up.
#72, sorry, but that’s a poor comparison at best.
Oops. Sorry, #75 (atheling) that was directed at you.
Well actualy they started saying that in the rhineland, then austria, then the Sudetenland, then the rest of that country (chzecoslovakia i can never spell that country) and finaly decided enough was enough in poland.
How many countries does russia have to invade before it is too many? Georgia did nothing to russia, all it did was try to take back a region that under international law BELONGS TO GEORGIA!!! Not russia.
And why exactly was russia issuing passports to non-russians anyway?
Bush has chosen Carter not Churchill.
He’s done. He’s a wimp. He’s gone all “Lindsey Graham” on us.
He SHOULD have announced a US Humanitarian Airlift into Tblisi and US escort of Humantiarian supplies via Sea. INvoke the Berlin Airlift and Truman;s support of a small isolated set of allies against Russian Agression.
That at a minimum puts Russia on its heels, and shows the world that Russia is the inhuman agresssors here.
Plus it puts Putin on his heels having to decide to fire at US Warships in international waters versus allowing his illegal blocakde to stand, and forces him to deal with US Aircraft in Goergian national airspace, not russian nor the disupted areas.
Incirlik AB could provide direct aircover for both actions. Land route from Iraq thru Turkey and Armenia is another way to do it.
Bush is a lost cause. Dems Impeach his wimpy butt now – I want President Cheney when the chips are down.
This is Russia’s effort to exact their revenge for the West’s liberation of Kosovo.
Why did we rip Kosovo away from a Christian nation only to turn it over to the Muslim horde?
Why the sudden concern about Russia? Why not about an African nation, or Serbia, or Burma?
The point I have been trying to hammer home is, “What makes Georgia special?”
As for them “belonging” to Georgia, one of the things (stipulations, whatever) Georgia had to agree to was to find a DIPLOMATIC solution to the problem of these two regions. They didn’t do it. In fact, they’ve done the opposite.
Abkhazia and South Ossetia have the status of autonomous republics. Georgia shot first into South Ossetia. They launched the military offensive. Now they come crying to us for help.
I agree with Ordinary Coloradan. Bush should have seized the moment. Instead we got a wimpy “Stop It and Leave”. Bush just might have to ask the Russians to “Stop It and Leave” a second time (oh my)!
No action, no plan, empty talk. Par for the course.
If Russia is so offended by our actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., then let us take them for their word and have nothing more to do with each other, economically, politically, culturally. Let’s dump the U.N., vacate and blow up the space station, just for starters.
wckelly60. Yes into South Ossetia, NOT RUSSIA. GET IT???
DDDUUHHH
They are a WESTERN opriented democracy. They are being attacked by a hegemonisted imperialistic nation, Russian, in an effort to maintain its economic lock (oil pipeline and gas pipeline) so as to be able to bully Europe.
They intend this to set an example for other former soviet republics, so as to “finlandize” them, and force them to bow to Putin’s ultra-nationalist gangster empire in Russia.
Its the only free outlet that many of our erstwhiel allies have for oil and natural gas thats outside of Russian control.
Its the only direct air-route for support of our military in Afghanistan that does not cross over Pakistan China or Russia.
On top of that, there are humanitarian angles here too – the Russians ahve been deliberately inflictign civilian casualties in mass artillery attacks razing villages and cities outside the disputed region then occupying them, have been bombing Tblisi which is well outside of SO, have demolished port facilities, have occupied cities and town of Georgia proper, have imposed a naval blockade against even humanitarian aid, and seem bent on destroying Georgia completely, and imposing a dictator of their choosing.
Get it?
That’s why its important, that’s why Georgia, and that’s why not some african country.
None of them are under attack by an agressive imperilaistic nuclear armed nation that’s run by what’s essentially a business-military mafia.
Now did that “hammer home the point” to you?
Remember your Burke. Also remember the price of appeasing the Nazis in the Ruhr, and the Sudetenland.
“Unacceptable” unless of course you press the issue, then I guess, well, whatever.
Is that what our foreign policy is going to be? Georgia is pretty much already routed from the field, and the USA is still trying to play negotiator?
If I were president, I would have already put boots on the groud between Russian and Georgian troops, and if Russia attacked, they would have a smaller fleet of ships, and alot less tanks and armored vehicles.
Bush in the speech:
Threatens? Umm Dubya, theres a bit more than a threat. Active bombing of cities and civilians, use of strategic assets like ballistic missiles and strategic bombers, naval blockade, a massive invasion, occupation of and razing of the cities. Thats “makes war”, not “threaten” you fool.
Bush == idiot so far on this. He seems to be owned by the diplosmats at state who will dither until Georgia is completely crushed and anything we say or do becomes irrelevant.
Time is of the essence Mr President – and so are DEEDS NOT WORDS.
DO SOMETHING!
And South Ossetia called their ally for help.
Gee, you were all for a diplomatic solution before that recent lobotomy.
You might want to read what our Founding Fathers said about entangling alliances.
sonofdy said (#38):
(pushing an athlete’s behind?) Yes it’s complicated. That’s why he needs to focus. Stuff is happening out there and someone needs to take the wheel.
You know, I don’t know why we think Pres. Bush is going to be firm on this. He is a lame duck president.
We’re already war-weary with Iraq. We’ve got a 5th column with the libtard media and its slavish adherents who protest any military action we might take.
I am really torn by this issue.
While I would like to support democratic nations, I am fed up with Europe, and really don’t care anymore because they are going by way of the dodo bird and will become a Muslim continent in a generation or two.
Should we waste blood and treasure on these folks… again???
What you Einsteins seem to miss, behind all the tearjerker pictures of wounded civilians, is that we are being coerced into helping a nation that did this to itself! If Georgia hadn’t SENT TROOPS INTO THE CAPITOL OF SOUTH OSSETIA none of this would have happened.
…and, #88, I don’t care if they are “western oriented.” That makes them better somehow than any other hotspot
Russia is doing exactly what any superior military force would do: win quickly and overpoweringly.
I said it before, and I’ll stop posting in here (because feeeeeewings in these posts are replacing rational thought and logic), we need a diplomatic solution to this problem.
You want to go to war with Russia over them spanking Georgia, then so be it. I’ll be replenishing my ammo stocks and checking the supplies in my fallout shelter.
Maybe I’m way off base here, but I wonder if Russia’s timing is less about Bush and the U.S., and more about the Olympics and China’s attempt to appear nice. China is the far more likely country to enter a shooting war with Russia, and Georgia has already appealed to China for diplomatic assitance. I could easily see a oil and gas for military aid deal coming from China. Hope I’m completely wrong.
Jerry Pournelle said nearly the same thing today. It is a major question that needs to be answered.
My press is still one for a diplomatic solution.
I’d definitely go along with kicking Russia out of the G-8. Any nation whose foreign policy can be summed up as, “We can still make trouble, so we matter” has no business rubbing shoulders with polite society, not to mention being rewarded with membership to the most exclusive club there is on the international scene.
Practically speaking, there’s little we can do about Georgia. We’re already engaged militarily on two fronts, and even if escalation to nuclear war wasn’t a real possibility the prospect of trying to support a campaign halfway around the world from us and on Russia’s front porch would be daunting if not reckless. Or, to recall Omar Bradley’s memorable take-down of the argument that we should’ve extended the Korean War into China:
“The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy.”
About the best we can do in these circumstances is to teach the Russians that “Crime Doesn’t Pay.” We can’t stop them from being 21st-Century barbarians, but we can make them pay a price for it; ostracizing them from the highly visible international organizations they gained access to after the Cold War would be a good start.
Regulus:
Good idea.
Didn’t Georgia start the whole thing after the province voted TWICE to secede? And isn’t Russia just answering a belligerant neighbour’s attempt to reverse Georgia’s de facto use of force to try and change a very clear vote of the population of that province?
I dunno but somehow picking a fight with a far larger neighbour, losing that fight, and then running to the international community is like your younger sibling running to you when they lose a fight.
For more info – the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Georgia actually has his/it’s own blog:
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Georgia