Obama’s abortion lies
Keep him away from the babies.
There’s a newly uncovered paper trail demonstrating Barack Obama’s abortion militancy you can believe in (hat tip – Jill Stanek):
Newly obtained documents prove that in 2003, Barack Obama, as chairman of an IL state Senate committee, voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion – even after the panel had amended the bill to contain verbatim language, copied from a federal bill passed by Congress without objection in 2002, explicitly foreclosing any impact on abortion. Obama’s legislative actions in 2003 – denying effective protection even to babies born alive during abortions – were contrary to the position taken on the same language by even the most liberal members of Congress. The bill Obama killed was virtually identical to the federal bill that even NARAL ultimately did not oppose.
The NRLC’s Obama paper trail index is here.
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And here’s a related howler about the Party of Planned Parenthood:
ABC NEWS: Are Democrats Now Pro-Life? As Convention Draws Near, New Talk of a Pro-Life Presence
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“When Roe is overturned – and it will be in the very near future – the flood gates will open, and the pro-life movement will at last be on equal ground to be heard and gain broader appeal in the abortion debate, i.e., the left will no longer be able to shut us down or out of the mainstream of public discourse by portraying us in the media as the “fringe” element.
After that, all but the most stubbornly liberal states will fall in line behind eradicating abortion from their borders.
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Thankfully you have no idea what you are talking about.
The second Roe vs Wade is overturned is the second that America’s collapse is imminent. We live in a SECULAR society, and all you “pro-life” people are basing this entire principle on religious beliefs (skewed as moral, of course, but let’s be honest, religious fanatics can’t see past their own noses, let alone generations down the line and predicting the future of human EVOLUTION).
I don’t see why you should care what somebody else does so terribly much. It’s not like we’re short of people in this world, and it’s not like the fetus can think, act, respond or even have a freaking clue what is going on.
Besides all of this, the topic is a flagrant lie and misconception intended to brainwash little weasels like yourself that haven’t an ounce of intellectual judgement, or the responsiblity and moral courage to actually research, debate, and THINK about the problems we face.
Right-wing lacks empathy, logic, and most of all free will. It’s like talking heads from hell with you people.
Get a grip and see the world through your own eyes, not somebody elses.
The difference being that slaves are, you know, actual human beings. Fetuses can’t feel pain, don’t have lungs, don’t have sex organs, don’t have a developed brain, etc, etc.
englishqueen01 sums it up perfectly. It really is a very simple argument. Make your choices on whether or not you are ready to have a child before getting pregnant. Some people act like pregnancy is a disease. This isn’t some cancer that just appears overnight. Getting pregnant requires a very specific action… babies don’t just materialize out of thin air.
Question: If an apple a day keeps the doctor away, what do we need to keep apples away?
We have a new TOS/Rusty/LGM clone with today’s batch of newbies and his/her name doth be apples. Any bets on the timelime of when apples joins Steve456?
So, you base whether someone is human or not on their possession of certain organs? Some people are born with “undeveloped brains”, i.e., Downs Syndrome children. Are you saying that they are not human?
If a woman has a hysterectomy (no sex organs) then she is no longer human?
If a person loses one lung, does that make him only half human?
What a lame argument.
Elwood and AK Grizzly:
Treat the troll like a pimple. It’ll go away eventually.
Ummm the “live-born survivors of abortion” like the article on topic states do meet that criteria. Oooops.
And what is your expertise in this area? You have obviously never had the wonderful experience of being a parent. Try telling any woman that has ever been pregnant that, or a father that feels the kicks that a fetus cannot respond. Just when do you suppose it start thinking and acting, only after the umbilcal cord is cut?
In your own words:
Thankfully you have no idea what you are talking about.
WOW, Forget about the economy. If we stop the killing of babies, America will collapse. Just wow. I am amazed America ever came about as the Founding Fathers seemed to have forgotten to add:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, if we don’t kill babies, we will never be able to stand as a country.”
Add apples to the list gang.
LGM
Translation:
Obama is too radical for me regarding this issue, but I can’t let the conservatives on this board think that, so I’ll complain about what republicans say on a well-defined conservative blog.
I don’t support any post-viability abortions. It should never get to that point and I don’t think those abortions should be protected.
I think Apples was more fun when his site name was Steve 456.
Rusty, fetuses don’t feel pain??? And you’re an expert on this how? You can’t tell me that a fetus that’s aborted two days before due date can’t feel pain.
I’ll never understand the automatic, militant defense of partial birth abortion from people like you. I guess that makes me “unenlightened”, right?
Rusty, are you suggesting that there is a stage between fetus and newborn?
Otherwise, does a fetus gain lungs, sex organs, and a developed brain as it’s traveling through the birth canal?
Oh, and some evidence that you have no idea in any way, shape or form atheling…
“But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade” – John McCain
Perhaps not, but does that mean the soul is not present?
ANYBODY that out of control should probably be spayed long before. There are waaaay to many people already in the world, and we are letting more pour over the border to drop their anchors.
I don’t see Roe being overturned. Obama will recommend liberal judges and McAmnesty will recommend moderates… and even if McAmnesty had an intelligent moment and recommended a conservative, the democrats will block it.
Abortion is legal and will probably be here as long as the USA is… which probably isn’t very long, and I, as a good American, support the laws of the land! What a wonderful country, founded on laws and not irrational emotional reaction. What a country.
Eugenics at its best, telling people how many is too many and suggesting forced sterlization. Bravo Rob, you’re in a select club.
I said it before and I will say it again.
Conservatives/pro-life:
It is a baby, we agree, it should live, the end
Liberals/pro-death
It is a blob of cells, it’s a fetus, life begins???, viability begins???, we can kill it up to??? Excuse after excuse as to why and when a fetus should be killed. None of them can agree on anything.
Good to be a conservative. Simple “choices”.
apples = steve456 for sure
Rob:
You are an ignoramus who knows nothing about the founding of this country.
The Founding Fathers declared that our principles were Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Life is listed first. If there is no protection for life, then there cannot be Liberty or Pursuit of Happines.
Human life begins at conception. That’s Life – no ifs, ands or buts. Libtards and other Culture of Death supporters like you cannot obfuscate that fact.
Rusty, are you suggesting that there is a stage between fetus and newborn?
Otherwise, does a fetus gain lungs, sex organs, and a developed brain as it’s traveling through the birth canal?
Epic fail at blockquoting there.
Well, thanks!
Straight_Talk_Luigi said:
Correct translation: conservative blogs and magazines are wrong more than they’re right. If they have a devastating revelation about Obama, they probably are wrong. That’s the history. As Rusty showed, that’s the present case as well.
How about an answer to my questions, Rusty?
Is a woman who had a hysterectomy no longer human?
Are Downs Syndrome children, who have undeveloped brains not human?
Well, thanks again!
Translation: I’ll believe whatever the Democratic party tells me to.
BTW, apples, you’re an idiot.
Yeah, damn you scientists and the supermajority of Americans who have common sense! You just don’t get it!
Why don’t you save your breath and start protesting IUDs.
Like we were wrong about Ayers, Wright, ACORN, and all of Obama’s other buddies he either doesn’t bring up or throws under the bus when it brings him negative press
This should be a McCain ad.
On August 11th, 2008 at 1:17 pm, Elwood P. Dowd said:
I might agree with this point if the current administration wasn’t so adamant about teaching abstinence only education and defining normal the use of prophylactics such as IUDs and the pill as “abortion”.
Show of hands: who waited until marriage before doing the deed?
Pregnancy is not a disease but it is often an accident or a result of rape.
On August 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, atheling said:
I’ve seen you prove your point on this site many times. Yes, there seem to be humans in this world that function without a brain. You even learned how to use the internet.
On the other hand, we should thank our liberal friends for insisting that should a murderer be executed, the injection site must first be swabbed with an antiseptic wash. And heaven help us if the prisoner is uncomfortable during his execution.
They are the compassionate group in our society. Misplaced priorities? Misplaced souls?
Life is the union of soul to vessel; to separate one form the other is murder, regardless of whether that vessel is a yet unformed glob of clay (a human blastocyst) or a fully shaped urn (fetus). The soul is what counts.
Ditto!
That’s right, the majority is always right about science. (The world is flat, it rests on a giant turtle…) And scientists have figured out how all those dead cellls spring to life in the third trimester.
At the end of 4 months:
Fetus is 6 1/2 to 7 inches long
Weight is about 6 to 7 ounces
Fetus is developing reflexes such as sucking and swallowing. Fetus may begin sucking his/her thumb
Tooth buds are developing
Sweat glands are forming on palms and soles
Fingers and toes are well defined
Sex is identifiable
Skin is bright pink, transparent and covered with soft, downy hair
Although recognizably human in appearance, the baby would not be able to survive outside the mother’s body.
http://www.pamf.org/pregnancy/second/fetal.html
Mrs. Duggar is an American citizen. Her husband served in office in the state of Arkansas. So there goes that anchor baby argument. Funny how the “right to choose” never, ever applies to women like Mrs. Duggar who want and can raise many children.
But it’s good to know you, apples, Rusty, lgm and other pro-aborts have cornered the market on deciding when a person is human (not before, not during, and not after birth, apparently) and that the three of you – men, I’m assuming – have no problem subjecting women to the abortion procedure while pretending it makes you so progressive and right and noble.
All it makes you is cowards. Big, f-ing cowards.
For me, this is rooted in religion. But there are other groups – most notably Atheists for Life – who are by no means looking at abortion through a religious lens. They bill themselves as having “A nontheistic and nonreligious opposition to the life-denying horror of abortion,” based on the assumption that everyone gets one life and abortion denies them this right.
Moreover, abortion has less to do with religion than with acknowledging the fact that a society that wishes to continue, that wishes to be considered compassionate and thrive into the future does not murder off the future at the rate of 3,000 people a day.
If we applied your thinking, apples, that there are too many people in the world – none of you has a right to complain about the death penalty or war or genocide. After all, it’s just getting rid of excess humanity, right? 100,000 Iraqis killed is just culling the herd, so to speak, correct? But no – your target is always the most innocent and defenseless among us: the unborn and the women you hoodwink into risking their lives and their future fertility on abortion.
I repeat: F-ing cowards.
Whether it’s killing fetuses and the newborn or killing our economy and growth, the liberals have proven time and again they are the proponents of death and destruction. They are progressive only in the same sense that a terminal illness is progressive.
Free Ramos and Compean.
If evolution were true, liberals would be extinct.
Google atheists against abortion.
Why is it again that you are outraged?
Pot meet kettle.
What ever are you talking about?
EQ, those guys don’t speak for me when it comes to Mrs. Duggar and her army of J-children.
I don’t decide when life beings. I am just using law and science to come to a reasonable conclusion.
As for subjecting women to the abortion procedure, I am doing no such things. I support women subjecting themselves to this safe procedure. If they regret it, that’s the consequences of their decision. If they don’t, that’s fine too. But it’s their decision. I’m not subjecting anyone to anything and as I’ve mentioned before, would never urge anyone to get an abortion under any circumstances.
On August 11th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, englishqueen01 said:
Moreover, abortion has less to do with religion than with acknowledging the fact that a society that wishes to continue, that wishes to be considered compassionate and thrive into the future does not murder off the future at the rate of 3,000 people a day.
Perhaps you should explore the effects of Nicolae Couscescaeu’s (sp?) ban on abortion in Romania beginning in the early 80’s.
Obamessiah is nothing more than an empty suit in every stance he takes on any subject including abortion, really I’m serious just take a look at the photo and you’ll know what I mean.
Ill-informed majority, you mean, and that’s because the left and the media have kept the debate unbalanced to make pro-lifers appear dictatorial and “out-there,” while inundating the American populace with guided question polls and semi-fictitious science that make abortion seem safe and ethical when it is neither.
As a fervent pro-life advocate, how fitting that this should be my first official comment to a thread here.
I won’t rehash all of the excellent remarks regarding the heinousness of partial birth abortion or Obama’s vote against the born alive infants act.
I do want to respond to someone’s earlier challenge regarding McCain’s running mate if he/she happens to be pro-choice.
As a Catholic who adheres to the five non-negotiables of the Catholic voter’s guide, I sometimes have difficulty voting and even must refrain in some races. But, when a Catholic is faced with two pro-abortion candidates, one can in good conscience vote for the candidate who is least harmful or less likely to advance the abortion cause.
Therefore, if McCain’s pick is not pro-live, I can still vote for the ticket as I will be primarily voting for the pro-life candidate.
Are you kidding me???? I guess we should just kill you then huh – it’s not like you can think or have a freaking clue what’s going on…
Didn’t bother to look at any of the links EQ provided… not surprised.
Why should I? Those are anecdotes from biased sources.
I can probably find enough anecdotes of people being killed, hurt, or mutilated during a kidney transplant too. Kidney transplants are still safe procedures.
LGM: If you simply will not believe it, then get off this site.
Apples: Your stupidity about what conservatives think is astounding. You have absolutely no idea what is meant by the sanctity of human life. I pray God’s grace will keep you from the hell you are bound for by your support of the killing of the innocents.
life being? Are you saying life begins? How about life beginning on the cellular level? Isn’t that basic biology?
Yes, but you’ve been rebutted quite ably by many people here regarding science. I just posted the “science” of fetal life after four months. Sex organs. Check. Thumb sucking (indicator of sensory development). Check.
Apparently your idea of “science” is only applicable when it fits your agenda. Strange, that for 2 millenia, western civilization agreed that human life begins at conception, and abortion was considered murder. Now suddenly, in the past century (a century riddled with genocide, mass murder, eugenics, etc…), you libtards suddenly know better than those people have for the past 2000 years. Hubris.
And law can be wrong, as it was in the 19th century regarding slavery. I wonder if you ever actually studied the deliberations of Blackmun in Roe v. Wade. You might find it interesting. So is the dissenting opinion of Justices Rehnquist and White.
I think Apples is suffering from the effects of having abortions….quilt
I don’t think you’ll find many doctors who’ll go out on that limb. There is an inherent risk involved with all surgeries. Your attempt to whitewash or downplay the levels of risk these women face when they walk into an abortion clinic is staggering but pretty much par for the course with you.
Misscheryl,
That thought popped into my mind as well.
Or performing them.
You must be new. I must admit, slamming some of the other trolls gets old sometimes, but with new people, its so much more fun. And everyone here knows how much fun i have with folks like you. Some of your posts were dry though, so…we’ll see.
Lets see, where to start? Guess i should start here:
Thanks for the stereotype. I cross swords with the religious folks here alot as well. But on this subject, i agree with them. I dont believe in morals, i have principles. I dont believe in god. While i am a longtime student of religion, i have no axe to grind and no standard to bear for anyone. People like me simply dislike the practice for it is. Attempting to support your own position by lumping everyone who disagrees into that catagory fails. Miserably. And you’re just as judgmental about things as the people you pit yourself against. It certainly doesnt justify your position with anyone.
And you were talking about logic? Nah. Your posts fall far short, friend. See, talking about human evolution and the development thereof, and then supporting abortion doesn’t really mix well. Ya know, that whole “we’re killing off fetus’” thing kind of works against evolution of a species. no offspring means no evolution. Defeats the purpose, no? Thanks, bye.
Rusty…i still dont disagree with your view entirely, but…well presented and consistant. I’ll give you credit on that.
lgm, once again, very little from you. disappointing. try harder
your assessment could be said about the liberal media and their obvious bias towards obama. or their willful non-coverage of the Edwards scandal. those are just from today, and just what i’ve read by cursory examinations of a couple of sites. Weak.
and no, i dont think apples is steve’s reincarnated SN. apples actually manages to use whole sentences that dont end with “i’d break you” or other internet toughguy talk.
#42 LGM Love is blind……
Your post only verifies the sheer idiocy of the left and moths to the flame always get burnt!
To think that we can ignore the Constitution, once known as the supreme law of the land, so we can abort babies will be perhaps one of the lowest points in our history. We call ourselves civilized, yet, for convenience, we kill human babies, shows how far from civilized we still are. I can hope that, in the future, when humans DO finally become civilized (instead of destroying ourselves first), that they will look back on our 20th century with disgust. We look back on the “Middle Ages” shaking our heads, wondering how they survived. Perhaps, in the 25th century, they will look back on us, and wonder how we survived. Or, maybe this is a start of a trend back to the “Dark Ages”. History does have a way of repeating itself. I, for one, when “Roe vs Wade” came out, supported it, through my own naive and gullible person. Conscience and education changed me. Now, as a medical person, I will not participate in an abortion. Period. Yank my license if you must, but the answer is “no”. At my age, I can become a Wal-mart greeter and be happier. At least my conscience will be clear.
I forgot to add that, for about 10 days recently, I was unable to access this site. It seems my computer decided that accessing this site was not allowed, for whatever reason. It kept coming up with “error”. Its conscience though, aborted itself, and this new computer has been wonderful. No problems accessing this web site.
Then do it.
Show us the stories of kidney transplants gone awry. Tell us the tales of patients left bleeding and butchered while the surgeon walked away or moved onto the next patient.
You said you could, Rusty. So prove it!
You are. You admitted you’d drive women across the border to “friendlier states” – and I countered with the very real, accurate, and deadly reports that come out of “safe, legal” abortion clinics.
We don’t let people subject themselves to a lot of things – like drugs, or drunk driving, or (in some communities) fast food, or driving with cell phones. But it’s okay to to “allow” women to subject themselves to abortion because it was “unsafe” before 1973 and magically perfect afterward.
It doesn’t make sense. And, Rusty, most of the people who share you view on abortion are closer in attitude to Rob than you – they are judge and jury when it comes to deciding who is and isn’t worthy of life, regardless of whether or not that person can afford the kids (like the Duggars), or wants that many children. To them “choice” means having the number of kids they feel is appropriate and sacrificing the rest.
To you, anything that doesn’t give its stamp of approval to abortion is a “biased” source.
For the record, Real Choice has information for both pro-life and pro-choice individuals.
So it’d be refreshing if you actually read the stories and countered them – they are all 100% accurate, factual, and true.
Thanks for the clarification. Does this mean that viability is your primary concern?
Please don’t lump me in with this nonsense.
If you’re never going to consider our sources valid, then why should we accept yours when offered?
It’s like EQ said a couple of days ago, it’s hard to conduct a reasoned argument with someone who continually raises and lowers the bar of acceptable standards and valid points of contention.
The diff, Rusty, is that one is going into surgery to save a life and the other is to take one.
Rusty better be careful about transporting minors accross state lines. That includes all the left wing teachers out there!
DBNinKY:
I provided a valid source on the development of a fetus at four months. Rusty ignored it.
He has also failed to answer my questions regarding what constitutes human life, as well as my rebuttals to his absurd claim that it is dependent on whether certain organs are present and/or functioning.
In other words, he’s a f—- coward, as EQ says. It also makes him a liar.
But you know what? Any doctor negligent enough to mutilate someone during a kidney transplant would certainly lose his medical license.
In most cases, abortionists – even the one I described above – keep practicing…with or without a license.
Really. Until you read actually go to those stories, read them, and debate them on their individual merit (and you can fact check everything reported there – it’s true), don’t even attempt to pretend you know better.
Indeed, you deny the very real trauma and suffering of women here who’ve shared their abortion regrets and injuries.
So I repeat a question I posed earlier: Why is it when abortion isn’t illegal, any women who may suffer are tragedies…but when women die undergoing “safe, legal” abortions it’s an anomaly and the sources that report such stories are always “biased”?
Correction – that should read “Why is it when abortion isn’t legal…”
I doubt that anyone on here is surprised by your determination to blindly follow the Obamessiah.
Case in point: Abortionist A Ghali.
Quickly glancing at the timeline, the guy had his license revoked or suspended in five different states. He’s responsible for no fewer than 10 botched abortions and at least one fatality, plus injuries to infants.
Yet these people are defended. You wouldn’t take your pet to a vet who had her license suspended and caused the deaths of animals…or allow your pet to go to a clinic with unsanitary conditions or missing/faulty equipment. Yet this is good enough for our women and children. All in the name of “choice.”
I refuse to get into that riduculous argument re: when life begins. That is a smoke screen created by individuals to justify thier selfishness. I’m not going there!
“ridiculous” sowwy
Screaming and yelling your nutty beliefs at the people you think have nutty beliefs while they scream their nutty beliefs at you just makes everybody look NUTS.
We have laws so that the nuts on one end of an argument and the nuts on the other end of the argument don’t get to decide what all the people must do.
Right now, abortion is legal. Be a good American, obey the law.
Who says a fetus can’t feel pain. Something tells me that Rusty took the wrong Biology course. There is no physical transformation that happens during birth (except that the baby can now breath on its on and is not attached to an umbilical cord). Pain does just pop up at birth. The central nervous system is already present.
So since the fetus (preborn infant) does have a brain, lungs, heart etc, then where is Rusty’s horror when they are murdered. They are innocents and their blood is on all that support abortion.
That argument was used to defend slavery.
I do, thanks.
You’ve become a parody of yourself. Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right or just.
A “good American” is one who does what is in the best interest of the nation – abortion is not in the best interest of anyone.
Get help, Rob. You really, really need it.
Rusty – he called it a scare tactic or emotional manipulation. A central nervous system is required to feel pain, which explains why the film “Silent Scream” clearly shows an 11-week post conception infant trying to get away from an abortionist and crying out as she’s killed.
But that doesn’t matter. We pro-lifers are just manipulating emotions. So what if a baby can feel pain – that little fact stands in the way of choice so, just as he ignores my links to abortion horror stories and malpractice, Rusty ignores anything that stands in the way of abortion.
Ditto. I’ve been saying that for weeks. That poor guy is unhinged.
???
How are we not obeying the law? By voicing an opinion against abortion? I believe in obeying the laws, but I don’t have to like them and it doesn’t mean I can’t work to change them. As far as I know, by
not likingdespising abortion, speaking against it, and not having abortions, we are in no way failing to obey the law. So, your comment leaves me stumped.Currently, there are laws preventing domestic drilling.
I guess, by Rob’s logic, we must obey them.
I don’t know if you saw this thread, Elwood, but Rob is of the persuasion that abortion should be forced upon welfare recipients and their children – and, as he said above – the same should be sterilized so as to prevent having more children.
He also thinks a family – mother, father, financially stable – that chooses to have 16 kids (the Duggars now are up to #18, by the way) should not exist and that Mrs. Duggar should have been spayed a long time ago.
So apparently he thinks we have an obligation to abort any children he doesn’t approve of.
As I said in the other thread, he’s exactly the kind of heartless conservatives liberals love to bash us with.
And the rest of us as well, because I obey the laws too.
Don’t get too worked up over him though, just scroll up and read his Eugenics rant and you’ll see what your dealing with. Just nod your head, back away, and keep your hand close to your concealed firearm for your own safety.
Rob is no conservative. He is an atheistic libertarian, which is another term for tightwad with socialist leanings.
If I had lived back then I would have owned slaves if I had the money. It was the way things were… Thomas Jefferson had many, he was a great man.
Just because one behaves in a legal way that others don’t like doesn’t make one wrong… Things change… If you don’t like women having legal choice, then vote for people that will restrict the choices and options for women. Until then, you probably shouldn’t bother chastising those that disagree with you… it
Funny, but inaccurate. Most libertarians are hardly socialists.
Democrats “rethinking how they talk about the issue” (of abortion). -{from link}
Talk is cheap. Look at what they do, not words that they are going to try to fool people with. Obama claims to be pro-life but his actions suggest anything BUT.
there’s nothing wrong with being an atheist or agnostic
just my 2 cents there.
No, and – more to the point – you prove pro-life issues are not confined to religion.
I don’t know Rob’s religious affiliations, but whatever it is (or isn’t), he certainly does no favors to whatever group(s) he represents.
Based on previous rantings he is:
Atheist (nothing wrong with that, except he made a post saying people who worship should do so in their churches [that he wants to lose their tax free status, which would effectively shut most of them down] and keep it to themselves and out of the public eye despite no such limitation in the first amendment)
Eugenics backer (see above and previous posts)
Ethnic cleanser (was all about wanting to “wipe out” the illegal aliens that is “driving him nuts” in Southern California. [Deporting and forcing them to obey the law is sane and rational, killing them is not]).
But feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, I’m going off memory but will gladly dig up your old posts later on tonight when I have more time if needs to be.
Most abortionists are not even OB/GYN’s. Why? Because many OB/GYN’s who used to perform abortions have stopped doing so. Not because they have been coerced, but because they finally realized their profession is supposed to bring life into the world, not end it.
So, you have greedy doctors who learn to perform the procedures (i.e., kill babies in the womb) who are not skilled in real women’s health care resulting in even more harm to women.
Thanks be to God that there are thousands of abortion mills that have now closed due to lack of providers or lack of clients. We must keep up the good fight, we are winning!
#122 lgm said:
That’s an interesting comment coming from a guy who changes the subject of the threads he comments on, and then hardly ever defends his one liners in more detail.
Huh?
1. Rusty raised the point that, in consistently voting down a piece of Illinois state senate legislation, Obama was being consistent on the grounds of a “constitutional” issue regarding the protection of ‘Roe v. Wade’…and that, therefore, the title of this thread is misleading.
2. I then brought to Rusty’s attention, paragraphs 25-35 of the attached research by Jill Stanek, Illinois Senate documentation that shows Obama voting this same legislation down in committee even after the federal language that he requested, protecting ‘Roe,’ was inserted in 2003.
3. Rusty’s #82 response was:
Rusty, for my sake as well as lgm’s, please cite the additional grounds (beyond the federal language insertion that Obama asked for and received in 2003)that Obama felt were necessary to consider in blocking a piece of legislation (similarly passed by a 98-0 margin in the US Senate) that wanted to protect the survivors of failed abortions from the practice of infanticide.
As far as I can tell, Jill Stanek’s research shows the Obama Campaign still citing the original but corrected absence of federal language as the reason he voted down this piece of legislation.
Meet the neo libertarian. They are liberal with social issues, i.e., gay marriage, euthanasia, abortion, etc…, but tightfisted when it comes to government spending. It’s a new species which is a result of atheism wedded with monetary capitalism and socialist morals – I guess it’s a polygamous marriage ; ).
If this was about saving Baby Whales there would be no resistance… but saving Baby Humans…
Obama has done a pretty good job of hiding his record in order to pretend he’s mainstream. He counts on liberal media to skip the fact check part of their job but the stakes are higher so it comes as no surprise his skeletons are coming out.
#180 Rob said:
Would you have given that same advice to the abolitionists, or to that roomful of signatories in Philadelphia on 7/7/76?
As the Dems would say, “Who ya gonna believe, me or yer lyin’ eyes?”
And when they are, they’re not compassionate at all.
From a story about a mother who miscarried naturally, and chose to deliver her baby via induction:
There’s compassion for you. And note how gruesome the RU-486 abortion is…and traumatic.