Obama’s abortion lies
Keep him away from the babies.
There’s a newly uncovered paper trail demonstrating Barack Obama’s abortion militancy you can believe in (hat tip – Jill Stanek):
Newly obtained documents prove that in 2003, Barack Obama, as chairman of an IL state Senate committee, voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion – even after the panel had amended the bill to contain verbatim language, copied from a federal bill passed by Congress without objection in 2002, explicitly foreclosing any impact on abortion. Obama’s legislative actions in 2003 – denying effective protection even to babies born alive during abortions – were contrary to the position taken on the same language by even the most liberal members of Congress. The bill Obama killed was virtually identical to the federal bill that even NARAL ultimately did not oppose.
The NRLC’s Obama paper trail index is here.
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And here’s a related howler about the Party of Planned Parenthood:
ABC NEWS: Are Democrats Now Pro-Life? As Convention Draws Near, New Talk of a Pro-Life Presence
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He sounds like a fun, compassionate guy.
For the record, I think the Duggar family is amazing! I have checked out their website and I am just fascinated by them. We have our first child on the way (early next year) and we have been fretting over budgets… for just one baby. For this family to successfully raise 18 happy, healthy children debt-free amazes me. I would love to meet them and get some advice. In the past I have mentioned them to friends and when I describe their situation it is almost always met with disgust. I can’t understand why. Overpopulation or no, why is it bad for a good, solid family with no debt to keep having children?
I think religious organizations should pay property taxes on non-worship properties. Too many orgs own millions of dollars of rental property and pay no tax.
It depends. Atheists who attempt to remove all traces of religion from the public sphere, actively work to shut down churches and religious organizations, and classify religious parents as abusive are a problem.
This:
Is a great example of the kind of contempt I’m talking about.
Atheists who can wrap their heads around the meaning of the First Amendment, who respect religious beliefs and treat the rights of religious persons as equal to their own are fine.
Abstractmind is the latter. Rob is the former.
Hear hear! I second that! These overpopulation supporters should put their money where their mouth is and just get rid of themselves. Why do they impose it on others, but never themselves? Talk about hypocrisy.
How about it, Rob?
Two words: Barney Fife.
Hey…I know a family of 7 that has a food budget of $80/week. Including baby food and diapers.
It can be done, and most large families are more likely to use, re-use and be economical with their resources than families with few children, or couples with no kids.
Same damn thing can be said about every lefty group that calls itself “non-partisan” and enjoys tax-exempt status while openly breaking 501(c)(3) rules.
I am so glad this issue is starting (?) to garner attention.
In this time where we’re burdened with McCain as our nominee and conservatives have little to *squee* over, very few things excite the base than the issue of abortion and I dare say, infanticide would generate even an even more enthusiastic effort to ensure the One never darkens the door of the Oval Office.
Why isn’t NRLC running ads full tilt on this one issue? Is it just too early in the process for that kind of thing?
Don’t know – hope they do. The impact would be tremendous.
No, I believe in Darwinism; survival of the fittest, and then we eat the dead. You sound fat… mmmmmm
Lol, not really, I don’t want to eat you, I have an In-n-Out Burger just down the street.
“Soylent Green is people!”
Based on his lyrical prowess, i believe rob is a member of the Adams Family…or is a big MC Hammer fan
LGM…we AGREE. OMG. I can has cheezburger!
You and i disagree on alot of things, but i’ll take that as a nice post 
Thanks.
Technically, i’m agnostic.
I strongly believe that people can worship as they wish, and that there is room under this great big sky for everyone…even heathens like me. I just seriously take issue with those who attempt to ram religion down other people’s throats. I dont believe those who are religious are foolish. Sometimes misguided, depending on the person…and i think there’s ALOT of wiggle room in what people believe. But they are still free to worship it, whether i believe the same as they do, and whether i agree with it, or not.
my 2 cents. and about the close of my day. if i dont post again, p3@C3 0u7
I agree as well, but those types are few and far between. The majority, in my own experience, wish to shut down any opinion of a religious person (particularly Christians), and bar religious expression in the public sphere by individuals. Their deliberate distortion of the first amendment, that government cannot endorse a religion, has trampled on the right of religious expression of individuals. That is intolerable.
Until I see atheists who condemn that kind of tyranny, my opinion of atheists remain low.
It goes both ways…
But you’re a self-admitted agnostic, slightly different than atheist (just from my experience). Not to put words in your mouth, but most agnostics I run into are generally like you – live and let live and all that.
Atheists – those who expressly deny the existence of a supreme being (God) – on the other hand try to ram non-religion down the throats of everyone else.
In my experience, most folks who say something like this usually consider a statement like “I believe in Jesus Christ’s saving power” as an attempt to ram religion down other people’s throats.
Heck, I used to say it all the time — most of the people I know used to say it all the time.
LOL.. I am laughing at this end…
No really, what is your opinion you want to ram down my throat? lol
You’re an asshole, Rob… again.
Love that moniker “free thinkers”…kind of like “Brights.” Richard Dawkins is so bright he can’t even tell when someone’s making fun of him in a video.
“Free thinkers” and “brights” are so free to think and have an open mind their brains have fallen out and clearly you prove such “free thinkers” can’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t think exactly like them.
And, to a certain extent, I suppose it does go both ways. But from the inception of Christianity, folks like you and Richard Dawkins have worked feverishly to eradicate religion (specifically and especially Christianity) from the world. With much more vehemence, violence, and anger than Christians (true Christians, mind you) use in spreading the faith. Evidence shows there are greater attacks – both politically and socially – against religious faith than there is against atheism. Christianity is now the counter-culture (which, of course, supports my position that liberals are all for the minority so long as they agree with it; otherwise the majority rules).
Indeed, atheistic regimes in the 20th century caused 100 million deaths – most of them targeted at groups specifically because of their religious heritage. The Nazis in Germany, the communists in Russia and China, the nationalists in Mexico. For a century they systematically oppressed, jailed, and murdered people just because of their religious faith because religion is what gives people the fortitude and will to fight back against such tyranny. It also gives people unending hope and a sense of comfort, something which certain governments and secular humanists seem to hate. It provides a moral compass and a fixed set of values that can weather an ever-changing world – again, something governments, secular humanists, and liberals hate.
Until folks such as yourself decide to accept with respect religious beliefs (Islam perhaps being the exception) without contempt, we have no choice but to fight for our right to free expression.
This is a matter wholly separate from religion – as I and abstractmind pointed out. One need not be religious to be pro-life.
It is not an opinion that it’s wrong to kill unborn children. It’s not an opinion that it’s wrong to kill the unborn children of folks on welfare or illegal immigrants simply because you see them as less human or less worthy than life.
Again, your rabid love of destroying those you identify as inferior rears its ugly head.
You forget there is a fixed set of right and wrong – and, in this case, my “opinion” is absolutely, 100% correct.
YOU. ARE. WRONG.
Deal with it.
And take your meds.
That’s a non sequitur argument and untrue.
Suggesting that those opposed to abortion “don’t like children” (open handed orphans) is an inductive fallacy.
It is not the role of our government to provide these things.
Thank you for your support, please stay tuned for further updates.
uhhhhh, you already have that one…. Freedom of religion is a constitutionally guaranteed right.
I agree that many people are unable to weather life on their own and spill all over the place; they need a channel to focus the flow of their lives… a god of some type works for some, but unfortunately after their come to Jesus moment they have to knock on my door on the weekend to tell me about it.
I have read that in AA they say that one needs a higher power to overcome weakness. I hope I never become that weak.
I’d rather be thought of being “weak” than be a genocidal eugenicist who advocates the wholesale slaughter of those you deem “undesirable”. Maniacal is what people like that in the 30′s were called. I see some things just don’t die with dictators.
Agreed. Hell, I’d trade creeps like Rob for some illegals who have more respect for human life.
I think I would be a fine dictator, in the style of one of the great Roman Caesars; benevolent to my people, ruthless to those that would oppose or foment unrest in the state.
Plato postulated that a benevolent dictator or Philosopher King would be best for the state.
But do not let your hearts be troubled. I would still allow you to maintain your temples to burn incense and make sacrifice to your gods.
Much as the games in the coliseum kept the mob at bay, Marx believed that religion kept the people “opiated” and at peace.
You and many other current dictators and wannabes. You’re in a special club of loons
Rob, since this is my first ever comment, I’ll be brief. Since you are so intellectually superior from us “religious folk”, why don’t you enlighten us on why abortion should be a continued practice in a civilized society?
In the words of that great philosopher:
You must have missed the part where he is an Eugenicist and not only wants abortion to kill potential people who might end up on welfare but wants to actively “spay” people and straight up murder whole ethnic groups. Heh. And he wants to be the dictator of a Roman style emperor, so I think his definition of “civilized society” and the rest of sane American’s definition are wildly different. Just a guess.
I haven’t waded through all the comments yet, but I’m willing to bet someone thinks being prolife is an entirely religious view.
Too bad they’re wrong.
Arguing with a fool is foolish.
“Civilized” is a fantasy. There is no civilized. There are just laws that scare sane people into behaving, while we keep building prisons to hold those who don’t.
If you think we are civilized, then let us dissolve the police departments. Should we do that, the civilized would be the slaves of the uncivilized within a year.
We are all monkeys sitting in trees throwing feces at each other. We have just built legal walls to keep the poop at a manageable level.
All civilizations fall apart; the Roman Empire made it about a thousand years… which is pretty good, but then it disappeared because they couldn’t control their borders.
Abortion, argue it if you will, but the value of life is transitory. Wait a few hundred years and we may be sacrificing infants in the public square like the VERY religious Mayans.
Just want to say I’m glad to be signed up…I’m a big fan Michelle…
True, but at least I have a new thread to link whenever someone needs a case study in insanity
You got that right, alaskangrizzly.
… lol
Rob, I took some shots at you and you post some pretty over the line stuff IMHO, but those last two comments got my attention. You’ve officially become “interesting”. Not really sure what you’re deal is though, but I’ll stay tuned.
dakine, thank you for the backhanded compliment.
-Seriously, I believe about half of what I say.
-I say what I say to see it and think about it.
-I say what I say to get reaction which is data.
-My opinions often transmogrify.
-It is fun and interesting to poke at the stifled opinions of the transfixed and limited.
In the words of Cyrano de Bergerac:
This is just one more reason why Obama wouldn’t be a good president.
As if I needed another reason not to vote for Obama.
I was born 2 months premature. Would Obama have let me die? Or was I only worth living because my parents wanted me?
Senator, don’t bother batting clean up. You got busted.
Leaving babies who have survived late term abortion to die…wondering how there are not indictments for murder–
Wondering what moral compass Obama is using in voting against legislation to protect these very, very, young people.
Some people being homeless, without food, jobs, ect., have nothing to do with overpopulation and mostly to do with choices made by the people affected. You can’t really compare and animal to a human life, and this is coming from someone who supports saving endangered animals.
My belief is that every life should be born for a reason. So, Rutherford420, think of it this way, what if the next child aborted was the person that would have stopped the extinction of whales or any other animal species.
Oh, so not only are you an asshole, but you’re an adolescent one at that.
Grow up. Take your medication.
atheling, please just ignore him. It’s the attention he seeks.
He has clearly defined himself as a intellectually dishonest sockpuppet who says outrageous things just to see how people respond.
Take into consideration:
Blubber for all!
You seem to have a limited vocabulary and a rather gutter style of dialogue… but once again, thank you for your support.
If the word fits…
atheling, I would really rather you would not think of fitting that word with me.
Homie don’t swing that way…
WOW. So, if one believes in Christ, he/she has no ability to think own his/her own.
Oh, Rob. What shall I have for dinner? I just can’t or am too stoopid to decide. I neeeeeeeeed you Rob. What have I done all of these years without you?
I adopted a girl instead of letting her be aborted. Rob, I sure hope I did the right thing. Was that okay?
UGH. And I thought lgm was bad.
box of soap.. I think you missed the point.. I simply changed the wording around from an earlier post.. HELLO.. figure how this thing works before you shout out like a demanding child..
Let me try it this way…
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Rob said:
The thing that bothers me about my fellow atheists who are on the left side of the aisle is their utter contempt and snottiness for their fellow humans.
Dawkins, Hitchens, etc. all act as if they’ve just come out of the desert with an astounding revelation that no one has ever considered before. Everyone else is a fool for not falling on their knees and “worshiping” them…
They come across as 5-year old children who’ve just learned how to spell “triskadeckaphobia” and now want to lord it over the monkeys, like Charles Foster Kane.
So because death cannot be avoided we should just kill whenever we want?
Read the novel “Alive” and you will see a true story of loving cannibalism as a son eats his mother to survive.
Or maybe the true story of the American Donner Party where a grown man killed and ate a baby to survive.
Or read “In the Heart of the Sea” , the true story of the tragedy of the whaleship “Essex” and see the story of how American whaling sailors expected to and accepted being killed and eaten when in becalmed seas so that the rest of the crew could survive. (This is an AMAZING tale upon which Hermen Melville based the novel “Moby Dick“… highly recommended by me)
aikidoka, no offense, but your question is ignorant. We kill whenever we want when it becomes necessary… in the words of James Fenimore Cooper’s Natty Bumppo…”Tis but nature.”
Human “depravity” is at bay due to our laws and land of plenty, and we live in the fantasy of safety… but with Obama or McAmnesty at the helm of our becalmed ship, I am afraid… I am very afraid.
I am a hardcore conservative, but am iffy on abortion. Have you been to a wal-mart on a weekend lately? Ok now imagine how many more kids would be there if abortion was illegal? How much more drained would our welfare programs be with more babies?
Nero,
Kids are an inconvenience for you at walmart, eh? Look at Europe – they have a near zero birth rate and their welfare state is going broke. I think you’re all wrong here.
Think in terms of population growth/survival.
In southern CA? lol… it is like a sojourn to a third world nation.
(Thank you Ms Malkin for a playground to explore our crazy thoughts and foolish ideas)
Hello Michelle and thanks for the chance to join. I live in Mooresville NC, home of the silk–or is that slick pony. It is still God’s country!!!
Yes, if you are trying to help Mexico survive…
And so the 2-1/2 month masquerade party begins. Imagine that, democraps pretending to be pro-life, trying to deceive the people one more time. Ha, Dave Letterman couldn’t write stuff that funny.
Those are law violation – e.g. illegal immigration – and government giveaway issues, Nero, rather than abortion issues.
What is it with democrats and their obsession with killing innocent children?
These are the same people who are constantly protesting war and all the innocents killed,calling our Soldiers “baby killers,murderer’s,and child predators”,while they hand out their
abortion literature that promotes the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children a year.
I can’t wait to see Obama flip on this like he has done on NSA wiretapping,gun rights,NAFTA,drilling for oil,keeping Soldiers in Iraq based on “conditions on the ground”,and campaign finance.
If you want to find the position of “Mr. Hope and Change”,just look for what the polls are saying and where the money is at.
Back in Catholic high school, we had a substitute teacher in Religion class who was telling us how she was a sidewalk conselor outside abortion clinics, and how there were some extreme pro-choice people who thought parents should be allowed to kill their children after the children were already born. I was (and am) pro-life, but I thought she was nuts. No one could be that horrible, could they? No one could be that dumb that they wouldn’t realize that hello, they’re talking about murder.
Well, thanks for proving me wrong, Obama. Sometimes I don’t know how I maintain faith in humanity.
So, the Dems are going to say and do whatever they can to convince people to vote for the ‘promised one’. What else is new…..take a stance on a position and then change it to get the vote………. No surprise here. Their candidate is still a person whom I cannot support.
I hope those conservatives who won’t vote for McCain because of illegal immigration consider this: If you consider yourself pro-life and McCain doesn’t win, we’ll get instead a strong pro-abortion President. Is that what you want?
Since Islam forbids abortion (except when the life of the mother is at stake), I guess it’s safe to say that there’s no way Obama is a “stealth Muslim” candidate. Apparently, he’s just a none-too-stealthy stealth liberal candidate. Which doesn’t seem like much of an improvement.
That’s funny. So I guess we shouldn’t have had the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, tha Magna Carta, the Bible, the Ten Commandments…the wheel. Those are all meaningless and just driven by fear? Tell you what Rob, if you feel that all society consists of is technologically advanced monkeys throwing feces at each other, I recommend that you get back to our origins and live with those primates. Don’t worry about bringing toilet paper.
All the more reason for people to have the right to firearms. Let me guess, you don’t think the 2nd Amendment is right, either?
Wow. Talk about delusional and pessimistic.
Rob, you’ve confirmed all of my pre-conceived notions about you and your intellect. I find your state of mind sad and pathetic. I pray that you will find sanity someday.
On August 11th, 2008 at 8:22 pm, nero said:
What Obama is advocating isn’t abortion by any of the accepted definitions. It is just plain baby killing.
If the baby is born alive it is too late to abort it. If it isn’t I know a few adults that I would like to abort in even though they are in about their 175th trimester.
Rob is atheism taken to its logical conclusion: where the only rule is don’t get caught.
So the Mayans were religious. Big deal. So are the jihadists from the Middle East who want to blow us all to hell. But hey – if the value of life is “transitory” then why the hell do you bitch about immigration? Just go and kill them all. Let’s get rid of all homicide laws and let’s return to a dog-eat-dog world, right?
Give me a break.
Marauder..yes people can be that extreme. It should be of no surprise.
Rob,
Don’t be throwing the word ignorant around when you all you did was dodge my question. You were originally asked to justify abortion today. All you did was say basically that because we die, we shouldn’t be bothered by killing infants or those still in the womb.
Just because you put more words around it than that and then deflect with more of the same and with non-sequitors, only inidicates your ignorance and/or intellectual dishonesty.
It simply doesn not logically follow that because people have had to resort to extreme measures in order to live, it is therefore permissible to kill because someone refuses to be responsible or doesn’t care for the inconvenience of a child at that moment.
You’re nearly the wordiest troll I’ve yet seen. Unfortunately, someone like that would take that as a compliment.
What is to be said in favor of killing a child outside the womb? Nothing. The position Mr Obama has taken on this issue is disgusting.
Obama is a disaster waiting to get elected. Hard to believe that he has made it this far…
Hi all,
My first post here.
Just wanted to share the joy of my new great grandson, Logan. He was born at just a tad over 2 lbs. a bit premature considering he was BORN IN THE 2ND TRIMESTER.
He has doubled his weight and is doing fine, not in an incubator now and we are so proud to have this fine young man in our family.
Welcome aboard, Marine_NCO, and congratulations on the birth of your great-grandson. I am glad to hear he is doing fine.
Finally I can comment. I feel like I am somebody now.
“ABC NEWS: Are Democrats Now Pro-Life? As Convention Draws Near, New Talk of a Pro-Life Presence…”
…when pigs fly.
Yah their pro-life as long as you have made it to voting age and you register as a democrat
Welcome, Marine_NCO!
It warms my heart to learn of stories such as yours. All the best to you and your grandson!
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Similar situation for me. Born very premature, illegitimate, but adopted by two awesome people.
This view of B. Hussein makes me very scared of him. Even Bill Clinton said ” abortion should be legal,but rare”. It shows a coldness that should give one pause to think.
Everyone talks about Big Oil, Big Pharma, etc. What about Big Abortion? Abortion is a money maker for its providers. In, Out, no follow up, and if your lucky, “frequent fliers”. The Left is so “in the bag” for the Abortion industry, it’s funny. It gives them license to be as promiscuous as they want to be without the “curse” of a child.
A Golden Calf lie? I am shocked…SHOCKED I tell you. Why, next you are going to tell me there are doubts concerning the legitimacy of the Tooth Fairy.
I just find it so hard to believe. Back to watching the realistic reporting of the Olympics for me. At least I know I can get the truth from the NBC guys.
Two thoughts on this photo:
First: He looks very uncomfortable kissing that baby. Guess he doesn’t want any of that white rubbing off on him.
Second: The woman to the right, who I am assumming is the childs mother is looking at Obama as if she is some giddy schoolgirl. She probably won’t wash the kids forehead for a week.
Kind of sickening.
Too bad we can’t find some way to abort liberalism/socialism. You know, just suck it out of America and discard it in outer space somewhere.
Rusty
Being a scientists doesn’t mean that you have common sense nor does being an American, and yes, fetuses can feel pain, Rusty.
The issue is that Barack Obama supports murder and so do you.
LGM
The only reason there are “devastating revelations” about Barack Obama are because the MSM gives him more positive coverage than any other candidate, covers up his radical agenda, fawns over his race, height and age, and conservative commentators end up doing the job for journalists.
Rusty has failed to demonstrate any accurate knowledge on this thread and seems only to quote left-wing talking points that are incorrect.
Also, I hope for the sake of the integrity of your reply, that you read other conservative writings besides Mrs. Malkin and see-dubya, because if you don’t your assessment about conservative literature is unfounded.
::: crickets chirping :::
We really, really need to prevent Obama from being elected.
Rob:
I find guerilla thinkers, writers, even “artists” like yourself very unenlightening. I grew up in a college town where academic humanism was the be all end all to the human experience. I actually have more of a problem with people like you who seem to have no anchor at all in life and feel that anyone who believes in religion to be pointless, so therefore they’re “fixed.”
I don’t think a lot of your comments are that insightful. They seem to reflect the incessant need to experiment and continue that technique until it no longer has any meaning, except to you.
I’m not overly religious. I’ve always kept an open mind. However, I know what it’s like to grow up in a family where chaos reigned supreme and your take on blog discourse doesn’t seem to lack any real foundation. Your suggestion, though, that those who are religious have some kind of weak underpinning suggests that humans are never tested, never need guidance. I’m sure you’ve never needed some kind of guidance at some point in life, right? Did you have a fixed path and ever sought out advice?
Then we could all approach life like nihilists, where nothing matters because life can just be so easily destroyed anyways. Or we could see life like astronomers do… where we’re all “star stuff” and tinier than a grain of sand in the scheme of the universe. Hey, in a couple billion years, none of it will matter anyways because the sun will just turn into a red giant and overtake the Earth.
Perhaps, you and folks like you are why I was always fascinated with history and went into teaching. I’ve studied how our species is not only capable of big acts of kindness but the kind of depravity that make many like myself question the future of the human race.
It may be fun for you to poke fun at those you think need to evolve into rudderless souls like yourself, but at the end of the day, many of us are still looking for the meaning in life, even if it’s a lot harder to grasp for humanity at large.
He can not hide from his past history. Unless… in the tradition of communism, he “erases” his past.
This is murder, pure and simple. He voted to authorize murder of babies. They called those people baby killers, even those who never left the USA.
Like – duh. In doin so, you implied that Christians are not “free thinkers”? Like if we believe in God, we do not have the ability to think for ourselves?
Nice try boR.
If they are “Live-Born Abortions”, where then is the argument that they were just lifeless blobs of tissue that the Pro-Deathers like to call them to justify their deaths in the first place? Doesn’t that mean they have lost the argument simply based on this title alone?
Please provide the group the statistical data you have acquired to come up with such a statement as this. Without any, such as I know you do not have, means this is nothing more than an opinion…YOUR opinion…and is meritless. But hey…no one could ever accuse you of needing a glass navel, right?
The Audacity of Death is a nice little article about this topic with some real practicle ties:
http://www.giannajessen.com/
If you don’t know who Gianna is, then it’s worth a trip to the link. She’s worth getting to know, especially if you want to talk meaningfully about Mr. Puppy-dogs-and-Rainbows penchant for murdering children.
Obama’s got some explainin’ to do, and you know what that means…get the keys and warm up the buses…
EQ,
Nope, you were right on.
Not at all. You’ll find i’ll equally defend and attack religion here, depending on who i feel is right. The “ram it down their throats” part is reserved for those who take issue with the fact i dont believe, condemn me to hell for it, and aren’t willing to discuss the view openly. It’s the ones who stick their fingers in their ears when religion comes up, and starts going “LALALALALALALA I cant hear you! I’m right and you’re wrong, so go to hell LALALALALA”. Those are the people i take issue with. EQ and 30 can tell you i can have a very calm and fun discussion about religion, and not be judgmental, as they are not that way with me.
Rob,
I have the displeasure of reading your rants on here, and it makes me wonder what ward of the psych hospital has internet access so I can call them and let them know one of the patients is loose.
You would make a good Roman emperor? Pfft, you couldnt find your way out of a wet paper bag if you had a pack mule, an Indian scout and a GPS device, much less manage anything more than to semi-control the voices in your head.
I believe, however, that you do this more for attention. You don’t really have alot of interesting or witty things to say, regardless of how many quotes you use or how you frame the rants you post. You strike me as being some guy that says something off the wall, hoping to garner a response from someone (anyone!), in an effort to justify your own presence here.
I just find you intellectually boring. That’s all. You never really add anything of worth.
But since you like quotes, have a couple
A man cannot be comfortable without his own approval.
Mark Twain
Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.
J.R.R. Tolkien
There’s no justification for the evil act Obama supports. NONE. Which circle of Hell awaits, you, B. O.?
Hey, hey,hey – my grandson was 1lb 10oz – and he weights 8 lbs+ now and is home. Amazing how hard these medical people work to save a child if you want it and how they will kill the same if you don’t.
Good point and I hope all us pro-lifers consider Supreme Court appointments. Also consider that on those issues where McCain may not please (immigration, global warming, etc.) that Obama does not represent any improvenment. I would support McCain on the basis of national security and abortion if he and Obama agreed on practically everything else. Of course they don’t; McCain has superior positions on taxes, energy, education and many other issues.
Marine_NCO and Misscheryl:
Congratulations to you both with your grandsons!
My son (my first as well) is now 8 months, but I remember seeing his first sonogram at 18 weeks. I remember hearing his heart beat even earlier.
You can’t possibly convince me now that abortion is not murder…infanticide. I actually used to consider that abortion may be OK if the pregnancy was caused by rape or incest.
Not anymore. Adoption is the best alternative if the mother does not want responsibility for the child.
Is is just me, or does Obama appear to be sucking the brains out of that poor baby, rather than kissing?
To get back to Serious Land, my wife was born 2 months preemie with 1 undeveloped lung. Her one functioning lung then collapsed. (She still has the scar from when they reinflated her lung.) Her mom was 17 at the time.
I suppose that a libtard would have just let her die, but she had (and still has) a fighting spirit. Her family said that she survived out of “sheer cussedness.” They also said that she had something special about her from day one.
I just know that God kept her safe for me.
I believe our first mistake was to engage these liberal morons in their ridiculous argument, i.e, when does life begin. Since when has that ever been an issue. It’s a issue because they chose to make it one to justify killing babies. It really is that simple. I realize we must fight against this thinking politically, but engaging them in stupid logic and trying to reason with stupid logic just isn’t the answer in my way of thinking.
Yes that is the key, it is just “talk” and does not match reality and facts of their actions.
Ditto with my 8 month old daughter!
But it is really all about convenience with the abortion crowd: “I don’t have time for a baby,” or “It just isn’t the right time,” or “I really wanted a boy/girl.”
Given the myriad forms of preconception birth control out there, some which can be used redundantly, there is really no excuse for having to have an abortion, other than the usual issues.
Abortion has become both a business and a cult.
I see where you’re coming from…but if the question were answered, wouldnt that reduce this argument from their arsenal?
To answer directly though, this question has been a frequent topic of debate in relation to this issue. And it’s not going away anytime soon.
And engaging them in this actively, and logically and specifically answering this question, does away with the debate entirely. And no more stupid logic.